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501  Other / Meta / Re: Motion / Appeal to allot Satoshi 21M Merit points on: January 27, 2018, 01:41:15 PM
Suggestion: Bump Satoshi to 20999999.9769 Merit. Change the software to limit Merit to 20999999, thus preventing any more sMerit from being sent to Satoshi.
This however would mean people couldn't merit the posts by satoshi. Thus those posts also wouldnt show up in the merit stats.
If we see merit as measure of quality, then those toplists are the lists of the best threads and posts on bitcointalk. I'd consider a few posts by satoshi as some of "the bests posts on bitcointalk".
They should have a chance to show up there and get listed.

It is a waste for members to send their sMerit to Satoshi when it could be used to improve the quality of posting by sending it to other active members.
Sending merits for exceptional posts sets examples of what "high quality" posts should look like.
Newbies can read those posts and learn how to improve their own posts by doing so. You can improve via merit sent to others, learn by observing.
502  Other / Meta / Re: Merit & new rank requirements on: January 27, 2018, 01:30:14 PM
Second, nobody likes to give merits because it fills like you are losing them.
This thread has been posted not even 3 days ago.
In these 3 days, "22,265 merit has been sent in total."
I would say that refutes your point, wouldnt you agree?
503  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Neues Forum Ranking System / Merit System (FAQ) - Was denkt ihr? on: January 27, 2018, 01:15:17 PM
Vielleicht kommt ja demnächst ein MeritToken vom BTT team so das sie massig daran verdienen können wenn jemand aufsteigen will im rang
Du kennst theymos nicht, oder?
504  Other / Meta / Re: 'Merit' System is a SLAP to the term 'Decentralisation' on: January 27, 2018, 12:29:45 PM
Now my rank in the forum depends on others! If some one thinks my post is merit worthy then they will give me merit.  My rank now has to look for the mercy of others!
~snip~
But this new 'Merit' system is a 'centralised' system which depends on the mercy of others and that is a BIG SLAP to the face of 'Decentralisation'
Let's sum up the two main points you have:
  • Your rank depends on ratings given by the general public/many other people.
  • Your rank is given by a centralized source.
Don't you think those two stand in contrast to each other?
505  Other / Meta / Re: Merit & new rank requirements on: January 27, 2018, 12:12:11 PM
Of course you cannot compare the new rules of BCT with that totalitarian management of DeepOnion's thread, but both has something in common: they end up rewarding those who praise the system and the status quo and punish those who raise a critical voice.
And you can already see the first signs of such a tendence here in these threads about the new merit system. Juniors who are posting here to praise the system get plenty of merits, critical voices don't.
That is not entirely true, TMAN for example has given a lot of merit to users who openly disagreed with the change or criticized certain aspects. Others have been doing similar things, some more, some less.
I also have given a few merits to people being sceptic, as long as they had a well explained position or provided some alternative they believe to be more suited.
It's not about opinion not about agreeing with someone or disagreeing with them, it's about how you voice that opinion.
People who outright cry and shout "No, no, no" without giving reasons or alternatives don't get merit. Posts like that are neither constructive, nor "high quality".
If you make a well written post, explaining your position and opinion, bring something to the conversation, or just sum everything up really well, you will get merit, regardless of your opinion and stance.
506  Other / Meta / Re: Merit & new rank requirements on: January 27, 2018, 11:39:34 AM
I mean, if I give you a merit point and tomorrow I want to remove it (for a certain reason) I can't do it because the actual system doesn't allow you.
I suspect this is by design, it gives merits a bit more impact than a simple "like" (to which they are often compared).
Also likely (at least part of) the reason why you have to visit a new page, and once again confirm a merit rating you send, so you cannot do this by accident.

Further, it could become quite the mess with sMerit being awarded to the person you rate, and how these are reversed.
Say you have 10 sMerit and reward 10 Merit to someone who previously had none (thus spend all yours), then that person gets 5 sMerit, which also is their total.
Now they go and reward those 5 to someone else (taking their sMerit to 0 too).
Now you want to reverse your merit rating, would this give you your initial 10 sMerit back? Would this also mean the 5 sMerit spent on another person get reversed as their initiator was reversed?
It could get very complicated very quickly with something like that.
507  Local / Altcoins (Deutsch) / Re: 600 Millionen XEM von NEM-Konten auf Coincheck gestohlen on: January 27, 2018, 11:34:04 AM
wenn der hacker will dann kann er innerhalb kürzester zeit die nwm auf de facto 0 USD abwerten, besser ihr verkauft die nems.
Führt das nicht zum gleichen Ergebnis? Roll Eyes
508  Other / Meta / Re: Merit & new rank requirements on: January 27, 2018, 11:20:04 AM
I'm not interesed in that kind of activity, thank you, but if you're willing to pay you can easily find someone to do the work.
You were (maybe just indirectly) complaining about the new system, I've addressed those complaints. Obviously, I'm not going to pay you, or anyone, for suggesting posts to receive merit. Get real.

And you're missing the point of my original post that you quoted. The fact that there are quality posts not merited is already a flow to the system.
Flaw, not flow. And after two/three days, that is to be expected.

The fact that they need to be constantly spotted and recommended, is a flaw. What if they won't get ever recommended?
Or does it further increase interaction by people sharing good posts, recommending them, and thus adds more value, instead of taking anything away?

There are some very bad people like me, very evil people out there, who maybe prefers not to make rank up possibile competitors in future bounties or because they prefer to give precious merit points to his friends rather than to some excellent post of some unknow guy?
Then you dont merit them and someone else does. You can't merit everyone, you arent expected to.
509  Other / Meta / Re: Merit & new rank requirements on: January 27, 2018, 10:50:29 AM
It is a problem indeed.
In the same way (1) you found those three useless posts from that guy which rightly didn't receive any merits, (2) you can find, if you're willing, three or more excellent posts made by some other guy which didn't receive any merits either even if he deserved.
Find them, point me to them, I'll merit them (or you can merit them yourself, you know?).
There already are several threads by people that are looking to be pointed towards good posts so they can give merit as rewards.
Are you even serious? Why all good valid points against this system get funny replies like this?
I am. If you want to recommend quality posts that deserve merit, collect them, write me a PM and I will review them. Should I agree with your recommendations, I have enough sMerit to reward those posts.
(This is only valid for you, StelioKontos, I will ignore recommendation lists sent to me from any other account.)
510  Other / Meta / Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? on: January 27, 2018, 09:47:26 AM
What to be done with the merits given to such people who start spamming once they gained the rank and/or get accepted in signatures? Is there any way to take those merits back?
Just reject them from signature campaigns. Or report their posts. It's too much work for some spammer to produce high-quality posts and then all of the sudden lose all that progress. Hopefully the system just shapes them into a better poster entirely and they won't have to have the risk of being banned. After all, we still have mods and the blacklists from a lot of signature campaign managers Wink
I've read your post with red/blue 3D glasses. Can confirm: better than LSD.
511  Other / Meta / Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? on: January 27, 2018, 09:42:05 AM
~snip~
You look fat in comic sans.
You should start using papyrus, cs doesn't fit you.


I can't take his posts seriously in that font.. makes me think he is trolling us.
I'm not trolling you. How dare you think that I'm trolling you? I find that offensive!

Anyway, like I said—these two systems should work somewhat independently of each other as they serve different purposes. Since theymos quickly pumped this out to prevent tagging spammers, the trust system should still remain. Make sense?
FTFY.
512  Other / Meta / Re: Motion / Appeal to allot Satoshi 21M Merit points on: January 27, 2018, 09:37:32 AM
What a waste of merit points, and an indication of a lack of understanding about the purpose of merit points. I thought they were to encorage an improvement in the quality of posting.
I am sure you have good intentions , But why give a sleep account merit ! It would be waste of merit and could be more helpful to give them to people that really in need of them and deserve them.
Why would theymos changing a value be a "waste"? It's as simple as theymos setting his merit to 21M. Done.
There's no sMerit that would have be used for that and those Merits wouldn't exist and thus are not "taken away" from anyone else.

It's a fun little detail. Why does your postcount show leet when you reach 1337 posts? It's a waste of programming, nobody gains something from it.
Or maybe easter eggs are what makes things interesting. Small details that don't make a huge difference over all, but go a long way.



I jokingly suggested that, and think it's unlikely theymos would agree/set them to this value. Though I'd still find it a nice little gesture.
The argumentation against however, I don't really understand.
513  Other / Meta / Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? on: January 27, 2018, 09:26:26 AM
~snip~
You look fat in comic sans.
You should start using papyrus, cs doesn't fit you.
514  Other / Meta / Re: Merit & new rank requirements on: January 26, 2018, 11:35:04 PM
It is a problem indeed.
In the same way (1) you found those three useless posts from that guy which rightly didn't receive any merits, (2) you can find, if you're willing, three or more excellent posts made by some other guy which didn't receive any merits either even if he deserved.
Find them, point me to them, I'll merit them (or you can merit them yourself, you know?).
There already are several threads by people that are looking to be pointed towards good posts so they can give merit as rewards.
515  Other / Meta / Re: Has Bitcointalk turned into social media? on: January 26, 2018, 11:27:50 PM
You can't get negative merit yet.
/thread
516  Other / Meta / Re: How are there 49 merit sources now ? on: January 26, 2018, 11:12:21 PM
Members will start begging from them.
I doubt it sources will give it without contributing good quality posts
It still would be an annoyance for the sources.
Given that there is no direct reward for being a source, they shouldn't be further punished with spam related to this.
517  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Neues Forum Ranking System / Merit System (FAQ) - Was denkt ihr? on: January 26, 2018, 11:07:21 PM
Gibt ja auch normale Signatur Kampagnen die nicht Altcoin oder ICO orientiert sind.
Ist doch egal für was, die vergütung von posts hat zu spam und shitposts geführt, da wirst du mir doch rechtgeben oder?
Generell gesehen, ja.
Zwar nicht in jedem Fall, aber doch mehrheitlich, speziell in jüngerer Zeit.
Gründe dafür und mögliche Änderungen (abseits der naheliegenden: Signaturen komplett entfernen) können gerne diskutiert werden,
allerdings ist dieser Thread vielleicht nicht der richtige Platz dazu.
518  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Neues Forum Ranking System / Merit System (FAQ) - Was denkt ihr? on: January 26, 2018, 10:53:10 PM
Oder wird es in Zukunft auch eine Regulierung für die Bounty-Kampagnen geben? Ich bin gespannt...
Wurde oft und lange diskutiert, inklusive verschiedener Vorschläge wie diese Regulierung aussehen könnte.
Wollte theymos bisher nicht, allerdings ist das Merit System ein erster Schritt mehr Macht in die Hände der Community zu geben, eventuell ändert sich theymos' Meinung hierzu ja noch.

ICOs sind cancer. Bounties sind cancer.
Gibt ja auch normale Signatur Kampagnen die nicht Altcoin oder ICO orientiert sind.



@Lutpin hast du nich heute früh noch 500 Merit gehabt?
Ja.
519  Other / Meta / Re: MERIT POINTS - DO THEY WORK? on: January 26, 2018, 10:40:50 PM
Moreover. As the crypto-economy gets increasingly accepted and known, I assume the number of new members coming onto the platform will increase faster than the number of miners? Thus, the gap between supply and demand will rise.
The amount of sources was already increased from 35 to 49, as well as the average sMerit every source gets per month.
This is after just one day, it's growing and likely to do so even more if needed.
520  Other / Meta / Re: Merit & new rank requirements on: January 26, 2018, 09:45:15 PM
I couldn't find the info, how many smerits we have. As full member I only had 5 sMerits to spend.
Is that for every full member that amount?
You couldnt even read the first post, could you?
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