Just looking at the front page table - Bitcoin Rush must be up for over 2 years now?
They opened in 2013 under the URL casinobitco.in
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Everyone is going to rank books differently and each person should play at books that best fit their needs. The ratings in this thread are just a guide. Warnings have been given in this thread to a few books that went under. We need input from all to help with this guide.
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Rampage - If you are making bets to win 50 ETH when you could win 60, why would you forego 10 ETH?
When you bet at best available you may be giving up more than 10 ETH.
You keep saying it but when I look at UK based bookies all I see is Direct Bet being competitive. Okay here is 3 random bets for the first weekend of the premier league: Leicester @ 2.14 v Hull Man City @ 1.19 v Sunderland Arsenal @ 2.2 v Liverpool Feel free to point me to a bookmakers that is more competitive, takes Ether and pays out instantly with no (real) scam complaints. Using the top book Nitrogen: 2.247 - A bettor that placed a $100 wager and won would have won $10 more at Nitrogen than DirectBet. 1.215 2.297
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Rampage - If you are making bets to win 50 ETH when you could win 60, why would you forego 10 ETH?
When you bet at best available you may be giving up more than 10 ETH.
You keep saying it but when I look at UK based bookies all I see is Direct Bet being competitive. Okay here is 3 random bets for the first weekend of the premier league: Leicester @ 2.14 v Hull Man City @ 1.19 v Sunderland Arsenal @ 2.2 v Liverpool Feel free to point me to a bookmakers that is more competitive, takes Ether and pays out instantly with no (real) scam complaints. its looks like Peeps Place paid by one of the top lists book , if i have to make a speculation like what Peeps Place did lol you Peeps Place There's no speculation. What would you like proved and what evidence would you like used showing thet DirectBet's odds aren't competitive?
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Rampage - If you are making bets to win 50 ETH when you could win 60, why would you forego 10 ETH?
When you bet at best available you may be giving up more than 10 ETH.
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Not sure if Hungerstyle is innocent, but I am sure that Directbet is guilty of handling this situation very poorly. Feel free to repost this wherever if anyone likes.
Last fall for about a month maybe 1 out of every 20 transactions from my electrum wallet were showing up as double spends and it was completely unintentional (eventually realized i needed to update software) There were no big problems because they were all involving individuals or sites that require 1 confirmation. In the end, one would confirm and the other was eventually deleted from the block chain. If I had deposited on DirectBet, could I have ended up getting freerolled like Hungerstyle? There are two still in my Betcoin transaction history with invalid transaction ids: This transaction is unknown.
You might have used wrong transaction hash, or the transaction you're looking for hasn't yet propagated through the network. It can take a while for transactions to get to blockchain nodes. My point is, obviously I don't think any site can justify not paying out a winning bet after the fact because of a double unconfirmed transaction and a suspicion. If they have enough evidence to justify seizing 36 bitcoin from a player, they should be prepared to defend their decision to the player and the public (if player chooses to make it public) Can't just say "fuck this guy, I think he's trying to scam us" and expect to maintain a reputation.
Have you tried to double-spend? If yes and there are proves, everything seems legit (except you)
Does your comment reflect how BetBTC would handle a similar situation? Here is the post by TwitchySeal
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What's stopping this guy, or anyone, from literally just buying a new laptop, using a new connection with clean btc and committing double spend after double spend against them?
How about releasing a tutorial on how to freeroll directbet?
Nothing.
DirectBet needs to fix this before innocent players end up paying for their exploitable system.
You can't accidentally double spend can you? Outside of outright fraud and lying by the bookmaker, you're not going to innocently find yourself caught up in some double spend argument. I was paid out another 500 Eth this morning - https://www.directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=0x7e368a14f7c7ff74e91a26e3ad3cb85d073c17a3 - it managed to land back in my account without any freezing of the money, double spend allegations, or any other silliness. Just like all my other 5 figure payouts did. I'd love to see proof of the scam attempts on DirectBet but you need to accept that showing proof sometimes just makes no sense from their side. A double spend attempt may show due to your wallet without you trying to do so. DirectBet amitted this. Another thing is the player claims that both transactions aren't from him. He made a bet that was rejected and confiscated. Another person tried a double spend. DirectBet won't prove they are the same person. If you win $20k USD the top books will pay you. There's a chance that DirectBet may show a transaction that was a double spend and blame the double spend on you. Then they can confiscate your $20k.
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DirectBet doesn't want to be on this service because their odds aren't competitive.
The first part is fact; the second is nothing more than speculation. I run a web business (nothing to do with gambling). I wouldn't let comparison sites scrape my site either, as I don't think there is any real benefit to being on a site like that, having you chewing up my bandwidth and sending me the worst quality of customers. Rampage - I don't want to keep picking on DirectBet but I pay $375/month for a line service and can see the lines live without any delay from many books. DirectBet's odds aren't worth playing at.
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I'm not trying to deter anyone from playing at DirectBet. If you like them, then by all means play there. The posts are made to justify their rating since there is a lot of talk concerning DirectBet.
If there is a problem at Nitrogen, Betcoinsports, Jetwin, Bitcoinrush, CloudBet and some others, they will show evidence of all problems relating to the sportsbook.
DirectBet's answer is our decision is final. If DirectBet isn't going to show contradictory evidence, then the complaints and betting slips are the determinants when deriving a rating.
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Very few outside of bitcointalk are going have DirectBet as there go to book. DirectBet's odds aren't competitive.
You lose credibility when you post nonsense like this. A couple of random games from today: Direct Bet: spurs - 4.2 - $100 pays out $420 atletico - 1.8 pays out $180 Paddy Power: spurs - 16/5 - pays out $420 atletico - 5/6 - pays out $183 Direct Bet: Bremen - 2.22 - $100 pays out $222 Bets - 2.8 - $100 pays out $280 Paddy Power: Bremen - 13/10 - $100 pays out $230 Betis - 13/8 - $262 Direct Bet are looking competitive for me here, no? There's a new line service that is out. DirectBet doesn't want to be on this service because their odds aren't competitive. Directbet don't want to be added at this time. My guess is because users will clearly and easy see the difference. Otherwise we could add them relatively fast.
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Very few outside of bitcointalk are going have DirectBet as there go to book. DirectBet's odds aren't competitive. Sophisticated players don't play at "best available odds".
Many times DirectBet only offers bets on one side. If you play best available you may be getting +300 when you should be getting +800 since DirectBet's odds are the same as an exchange that they clone adding more take.
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Your bet was at 1.39 odds so most of the money is from you, not winnings paid out by DirectBet.
Sure it was from me but it was in their hands - if they wanted to they could have kept the full lot. They didn't, which makes me think anyone crying about a small wager being stolen from them... they're not telling us the full story. The onus isn't on the players in this thread to prove anything. The books should be answering to us and DirectBet refuses to do that.
You're a random 3rd party, Direct Bet are a major BTC bookmaker. They don't owe you an explanation at all. DirectBet is a very small book with almost all of their customers on bitcointalk. Nitrogen and Betcoinsports are much bigger and are well known outside of bitcointalk. If all other books are going to work with players in this thread and DirectBet isn't going to answer to anyone, then the books that are willing to work with players will be rated higher.
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I'm not going to pay too much notice to someone crying they got scammed out of 100 or so Ether when they're paying me out 10 times that. Why didn't they just scam me?
Whats the DirectBet response to this scam accusation?
seriously? I can see first hand they process 5 figure payments near instantly. I can see some single random guy saying they've not paid him 100 Ether. There is a complete lack of (legit) scam complaints surrounding DirectBet, and my own experiences show them to be honest. So why wouldn't I continue to bet there? I'm happy to listen if anyone points me to some credible evidence I shouldn't play there. Right now I can't see that (outside of a couple of likely double spenders) Your bet was at 1.39 odds so most of the money is from you, not winnings paid out by DirectBet. The onus isn't on the players in this thread to prove anything. The books should be answering to us and DirectBet refuses to do that.
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DirectBet confiscated money from 3 different players claiming double spend and they have no proof. One player was paid a week or so later. Two haven't been paid.
DirectBet refused to pay out on a bet that they confirmed. They haven't paid 3 players and their model is open to more problems. The amount of players paid doesn't make up for those not paid.
1. The have the largest hold (margins) of all books. 2. They haven't paid 3 players. 3. They refuse to answer questions. 4. It's not if, it's when will DirectBet take money again from a player that's unjustified. They have flaws that need to be fixed.
The 4 points above are huge negatives when rating DirectBet.
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Whats the DirectBet response to this scam accusation?
All other books will work with me and show proof of problems. DirectBet will not show anything. They state that their decision is final.
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Right now I'm very happy with directbet.eu. I saw that quote with those problems and I don't really know what to think, since everything is going well for me, so I will continue to bet with them. I like the support, odds are decent, payments are fast, and I like their promotions, like the regular Tipster Championship they are holding. I also made a few bets on their casino, with bonuses from that competition, and everything wen't well. So for me they have a really good business overall and I rate them A.
We've yet to see someone posting complaints that doesn't have legitimate looking double spend claims against them. $10,000+ payment from them today, in my pocket a few minutes after the final whistle blew - https://www.directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=0x6dfc69d0f54c490ee1d55277a1896f31f3d5922dDirectBet rules state that once a bet is confirmed, it stands. A bet was confirmed and the winner wasn't paid. Rules Once the bet status is either 'Confirmed' or 'Rejected', it can not be changed the other way around
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They have a sub-license under a master license.
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Can't believe to see anonibet going so low. On the other hand I expect to see sportsbet and cloudbet going up in rankings; Is the table or excel sheet listed in your last post used to determine the ratings of those sporstbooks ? If so, I don't think having a casino should affect or improve any casinos rating in general as a casino is a completely different venture than sportsbetting, and I don't see it affecting a sportbooks ranking.
Casinos and poker rooms don't affect sports book ratings. It's only posted there to make those that may be interested aware that a casino or poker room exists. Anonibet went through a bad stretch were they were taking up to a week for withdrawals. If they stay clean for another month the rating will rise. Cloudbet is another one that could be upgraded but they still have too many problems on the weekends for an upgrade at this time. It will take sportsbet some time before an upgrade is warranted since they haven't been open long. Alright, yeah a good think to see in a comparison I suppose. Anonibet used to be huge a few years back, haven't been to the place recently. As for Cloudbet, while it could rise, its true they have been having a lot of problems lately. I have had withdrawal issues too, where it never got processed until I contacted support. They have a good sportsbook, just that the support and the deposit-withdrawal system is lacking. Appreciate your input. It helps all.
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Can't believe to see anonibet going so low. On the other hand I expect to see sportsbet and cloudbet going up in rankings; Is the table or excel sheet listed in your last post used to determine the ratings of those sporstbooks ? If so, I don't think having a casino should affect or improve any casinos rating in general as a casino is a completely different venture than sportsbetting, and I don't see it affecting a sportbooks ranking.
Casinos and poker rooms don't affect sports book ratings. It's only posted there to make those that may be interested aware that a casino or poker room exists. Anonibet went through a bad stretch were they were taking up to a week for withdrawals. If they stay clean for another month the rating will rise. Cloudbet is another one that could be upgraded but they still have too many problems on the weekends for an upgrade at this time. It will take sportsbet some time before an upgrade is warranted since they haven't been open long.
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