currently we have: arklan 1 (+ as fee for organizing the group buy) bigbeninlondon 1 hephaist0s 3 BlackLilac Grant 10 johnny5 15 Stevenrm87 1 AForceNinja 5 DPoS 4 CanaryInTheMine 1 Bogart 10 Oaxaca 10 Photon939 2 purplesquid 10 zapeta 5 GreatBug 5 thoughtcourier 1 Herbalconfusion 5 Pez 1 finalmoney 10 - canceled.  cchan 5 el3ctrophile 4 logicbomb666 1 win07 1 bitcoinmike 4 noitev 1 DeveloperFish 5 chaxattack 2 muyuu 2 shep80 1 ensign_lee 5 wa4hsh 2 silverbox 1 Klestin 2 Timzim 4 CommanderVenus 1 twobits 3 lostmach 5 tigerfree 1 Kushedout 2 for a total of 141. 159 remaining! |
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I propose a solution to the distribution problem: Payment.
Essentially, the group buy total would figure in a percentage that Arklan decides is fair for his labor in divvying up the packages. JohnK will receive all the funds, and place the group order shipped to Arklan. The leftover amount should be remaining individual shipping costs and Arklan's fee which will be released as soon as proof of delivery is shown to JohnK of these orders from Arklan (via delivery conf #'s). Since John is asking 2% I think this would be a fair service to ask of him, to place a group order and to pay the bounty to Arklan upon success.
We need a total group buy price. Currently each is estimated at 2.0808 which includes John's fee and an assumed shipping cost of 0.05 per unit = 624.24 Shipping assumes all these buys stay in domestic USA, which I believe it was intended to at some point.
Arklan, how much time/money do you need to make sure get all these out? Since JohnK is highly repped and charging 2% I think maybe 1% is fair for this group buy, about 6 btc.
At these terms:
cost = units + shipping * fees
630.36 BTC = (300*1.99btc) + (300*0.05btc) * (1.03)
Grand Total of 2.1012 BTC per device. A price difference of 0.0204 but motivates everyone to play more fair?
Feel free to take shits all over this, I am sure it could be improved and modified but maybe something like this could work....
arklan, Is the new price 2.1012 btc per uni?. If so, please update on the first post. Thank you. because i'm choosing to take my fee as miners, the total amount to be paid is 624.24, which is the .05 btc shipping and the 2% fee to john. my fee isn't nay btc, but rather more miners for me. thus ,the price remains 2.0808 per unit. |
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for all you people complaining about price(count me in as one of them, 300mh for 200$ is a ripoff).... the only way to make it go lower is for everyone to request refund and refuse to order at these prices. But, because u guys are so impatient to get the slightest increase in hashing power at no matter the cost...they will continue to sell at such prices(pathetic)
just a clarification: no money has been paid in any form to me, john, or friedcat for this group buy. to my knowledge, asicminer hasn't accepted any orders for these yet, therefore there can BE no refunds. obviously, if anyone wants to cancel their order here, please do so. |
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People are free to setup their own group buys. completely agreed. no offense meant.  |
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Consideration will need to be given for what these will be shipped in. While a bubble envelope could be used for smaller groups, these devices will be weak where the USB plug joins the board and could be broken off in transit. A box would be better. This needs to be factored in.
Also, a first-class package to Canada is $10.55 . Priority mail is $20. I could reimburst the extra cost once shipped.
you'll note that there's a shipping fee of .05 btc per unit. that, i think, will cover the need for boxes, insurance, tracking, etc for the bigger orders as well as the smaller. |
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http://www.pastebin.ca/2374270http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=HWHjiWp8-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The escrow address for Arklan's(the operator) Group buy transaction for ASICMiner USB Miners would be: 1FFyoorSfwQC15Xv7zNZ4Lv5yZcM6WFKuF Please state and agree to the conditions (if item is received damaged, item lost with tracking, customs fee etc) beforehand. If possible, GPG sign your agreement to prevent any discrepancies later on and please ship with tracking to prevent problems during delivery. GPG signing is not a requirement, and any verbal exchange in the form of private messages or posts on bitcointalk.org, or email is effective as a statement of condition. The fine print: This Contract is solely generated for the purpose of facilitating the transaction between the seller and the buyer, which refers to the pseudonyms used on bitcointalk.org. The escrow holder, John, assumes and gives no liability or guarantees on the satisfaction of all parties involved, although he agrees to mediate and facilitate the deal to the fullest extent he is capable of. On the event that any problems arises, he will release the escrow to whichever party that presents him with the most convincing proof and/or after an open discussion with others or theymos. The verbal acceptance by both parties (or the failure to reject) and the sending of Bitcoins to the escrow address above constitutes the acceptance of the terms and conditions stated, and the activation of this Contract. Please understand that I am assuming the risk of holding the escrowed Bitcoins, and I am using my own time to facilitate this transaction. I am imposing a fixed fee of 2% for this transaction, pre-paid to 1NB1KFnFqnP3WSDZQrWV3pfmph5fWRyadz . Thank you. John (the escrow holder) 6 May 2013 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (MingW32) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRhpJNAAoJEINT5jezqu6wnjIP/id18GETpQs8h+m3WSGkNA/M bho8ry4Qgbc0dSFFo4YjdTWFy9IwD8wT99c4zWZJprcs91+FB76ToMCENE06eO+k Ue2s9yZvy3nsyooRgPqEnY3hhmQ36xyi5WzxHd+plWf2Lx7LCGE2ZYluNjj2K+DY gy+yBWPmfxXsHqUGluGgkyq1Ttdc5cvVOkmVcwmTZfju1kPzgYgxh9UgUnmcJRuS FLSkY3zua/kvaarClgpdQ9Ka2i7uhlj4/tlYIJjDhh1At85E71fGV1YIbRphN44S exZeXgUjvwzRf6fA7jByfww6mKjSwy2UkgFiFZQCoNLFDTsiTj5yDnRm6CZNef+R rEfVBpb1GYVaOEMf+TCspGpc92q8GD6YcXO1hWVXU3s71Aq/K4ntzUZDLujCblvT EyGiIKgWy5lgQwwjMEvqGr8wG5narCcurGHGuK2y0rgldb9+XMhePWJLV7cXEWvT VYNKroDLm/DeyLJOWSIYaPE+9+FZ9AkvGkdsWnz1m+4hrL+qWjEpLvzcocCt0osG 3ig9HxTbNQ1Kpm4Wbgje+kM7pHV6T/iRFUG9ZPeqI2CRbq4EhKR/hswmKIpnNbXu /jftjH3l8HqrUihJuxRrVvh6u9WV3YDJOelgG8JbufEFwaJF2/cZEesN52E9p8o7 Yu4HKA5EOD1B13g69EF0 =lGUV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Perhaps provide the identification information directly to John and he can verify here?
I can do this escrow as what I did in the last here where I held various identifying information by the OP: I have received the email from OP and I'll verify it when I get home. I'm on mobile currently. Thanks.
I confirm I have received the following from OP : 1. A scan of my driver's license.
2. A picture of me holding and showing my driver's license. In addition to the docs above, I also received a utility bill scan (with the address confirmed as the shipping address, and the operator's full legal name), exterior photo of the house with OP within, and a photo where the house's number is clearly in place. Arklan, I will PM you my email - please send the documents there. Also, I'd suggest you to make a spreadsheet to keep everything in track and easily updated - an example of spreadsheet is here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiYcEqkgyjc_dGU0VzhHRGpOOUxudWkxdWpDN3RmbFE#gid=0 (what I used previously for another group buy) Thanks, John group buy for 300 (minimum) ASICMINER usb miners at 1.99 each, plus john's 2% fee, an additional .05 BTC for shipping and handling when i get them and mail them out, and 6 btc (paid as 3 miners) as my fee. customs duties, if applicable, paid by me, arklan, when i receive the package of 300. items will be shipped insured with tracking using the then-current BTC price for their purchase price. thus, if any arrive damaged or otherwise nonfunctional/lost the insurance shall cover the cost. tracking info will be provided immediately after shipping them. i'll email john shortly with the ID stuff. |
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currently we have:
arklan 1( +3 as fee)
bigbeninlondon 1
hephaist0s 3
BlackLilac Grant 10
johnny5 15
Stevenrm87 1
AForceNinja 5
DPoS 4
CanaryInTheMine 1
Bogart 10
Oaxaca 10
Photon939 2
purplesquid 5
zapeta 5
GreatBug 5
thoughtcourier 1
Herbalconfusion 5
Pez 1
finalmoney 10
cchan 5
el3ctrophile 4
logicbomb666 1
win07 1
bitcoinmike 4
noitev 1
DeveloperFish 5
chaxattack 2
muyuu 2
shep80 1
ensign_lee 5
wa4hsh 2
silverbox 1
Klestin 2
Timzim 4
CommanderVenus 1
twobits 3
purplesquid 10
lostmach 5
for a total of 153. 147 remaining!
i have no problems showing my scanned id and all that to john. i'll get going on that. gotta go snap a pic, etc.
as to my fee: i'd be ecstatic with the suggested 1%. which, really, i'd just turn around and use to buy more miners... so i'll just up my order to 4 and we'll call it good, yea?
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oh no, i totally get it. no worries. no hard feelings at all.
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£51.73 import charge into the UK... could be worse  ...you'll make that back in what, a day? two? |
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note that with john doing escrow, there's an additional 2% of the total fee. so, assuming we order exactly 300 and each have a .05 shipping and handling, that's 2.0808 per unit, for a total of 624.24.
I think I am missing the point of the escrow in this case. All it is insuring is that your pass the funds to asci miner as I understand it. It will not ensure that you actually then ship the miner on to us. If that is the case I would rather not pay 2% for something that really adds little protection. you have a point. no matter what we do, the miners have to be mailed to a single person, who then sends them on. that is, obviously, the nature of the group buy. hmm. i will gladly provide any identifying information or do whatever i can to assuage any concerns on this. for example, my real (legal!) name actually IS Arklan. Arklan Uth Oslin. anything you see relating to that name on google is 99% guaranteed to be me. the only reason i added escrow was people expressed wanting it. hmm. now i'm unsure how best to proceed here. |
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currently we have:
arklan 1
bigbeninlondon 1
hepaist0s 2
BlackLilac Grant 10
johnny5 15
Stevenrm87 1
AForceNinja 5
DPoS 4
CanaryInTheMine 1
Bogart 10
Oaxaca 10
Photon939 2
purplesquid 5
zapeta 5
GreatBug 5
thoughtcourier 1
Herbalconfusion 5
Pez 1
finalmoney 10
cchan 5
el3ctrophile 4
logicbomb666 1
win07 1
bitcoinmike 4
noitev 1
DeveloperFish 5
chaxattack 2
muyuu 2
shep80 1
ensign_lee 5
wa4hsh 2
silverbox 1
Klestin 2
for a total of 129. 171 remaining!
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Please put me down for 5.
2.05 (shipping cost of .05 bitcoin) seems fair to me.
note that with john doing escrow, there's an additional 2% of the total fee. so, assuming we order exactly 300 and each have a .05 shipping and handling, that's 2.0808 per unit, for a total of 624.24. currently we have: arklan 1 bigbeninlondon 1 hepaist0s 2 BlackLilac Grant 10 johnny5 15 Stevenrm87 1 AForceNinja 5 DPoS 4 CanaryInTheMine 1 Bogart 10 Oaxaca 10 Photon939 2 purplesquid 5 zapeta 5 GreatBug 5 thoughtcourier 1 Herbalconfusion 5 Pez 1 finalmoney 10 cchan 5 el3ctrophile 4 logicbomb666 1 win07 1 bitcoinmike 4 noitev 1 DeveloperFish 5 chaxattack 2 muyuu 2 shep80 1 ensign_lee 5 for a total of 124. 176 remaining! |
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i'll add ya to the list muyuu.
if only they were priced as you suggest... heh.
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currently we have:
arklan 1
bigbeninlondon 1
hepaist0s 2
BlackLilac Grant 10
johnny5 15
Stevenrm87 1
AForceNinja 5
DPoS 4
CanaryInTheMine 1
Bogart 10
Oaxaca 10
Photon939 2
purplesquid 5
zapeta 5
GreatBug 5
thoughtcourier 1
Herbalconfusion 5
Pez 1
finalmoney 10
cchan 5
el3ctrophile 4
logicbomb666 1
win07 1
bitcoinmike 4
noitev 1
DeveloperFish 5
chaxattack 2
muyuu 2
for a total of 118. 182 remaining!
also, so i can start estimating shipping - anyone have any idea on the weight of these things?
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no sign of friedcat at all today? i'm surprised. given the announcement of the USB miners, that is.
He posted ~2hrs ago. What I'm more interested in is the status of the 55ths roll-out. oh, did he? my bad. i'm more tired then i think... |
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