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1981  Economy / Gambling / Re: Betcoin.ag The Real Deal? on: January 04, 2016, 04:54:39 AM
They have a poker room in the World Poker Network. Betcoin.ag also uses the URL Betcoinsports.com.

They are the second rated bitcoin sportsbook using a conglomerate of analytic metrics behind only Nitrogensports.

There is no such thing as the "World Poker Network".  You clearly haven't done any research on them if you don't even know what network they are on.

I don't deal with poker rooms or casinos, just sportsbooks. Sorry if I misspoke about their poker room and shouldn't have mentioned it.

Don't be too hard on yourself, you were close.  Its the Winning Poker Network (WPN), here's the website
http://www.winningpokernetwork.com/
Betcoin is a part of this network.
Thanks
1982  Economy / Gambling / Re: Betcoin.ag The Real Deal? on: January 04, 2016, 04:50:53 AM
They have a poker room in the World Poker Network. Betcoin.ag also uses the URL Betcoinsports.com.

They are the second rated bitcoin sportsbook using a conglomerate of analytic metrics behind only Nitrogensports.

There is no such thing as the "World Poker Network".  You clearly haven't done any research on them if you don't even know what network they are on.

I don't deal with poker rooms or casinos, just sportsbooks. Sorry if I misspoke about their poker room and shouldn't have mentioned it.
1983  Economy / Gambling / Re: Betcoin.ag The Real Deal? on: January 04, 2016, 04:38:36 AM
Betcoin.ag is a strong book with a big customer base. There are quit a few top books located in unregulated jurisdictions.

That's making a lot of sense.
A strong book while just launching?

Being anonymous and having a hero account to back it up.
DDude it's 2016 that don't count anymore.

Give us some solid proof they are legit. Since they are to ''busy''

They opened 2.5 years ago with a strong payout history. Any payouts taking over 15 minutes should be reported here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=717790.0 .

They have a poker room in the World Poker Network. Betcoin.ag also uses the URL Betcoinsports.com.

They are the second rated bitcoin sportsbook using a conglomerate of analytic metrics behind Nitrogensports.

Excellent, i got some questions about their legitimacy
1) Do they have a licence?
2) Why are they protection their company information in the whois and even on their website?


@Peeps Place I saw that your alt account made a trust review a while ago just before going offline
"How does this guy not have tons of trust considering what he does for the bitcoin/gambling community? "

Two weeks later he went dark so his published review is a little bit weird. the same kind of weird since you don't answer the above questions.

I prefer some solid information so please respond to the above questions.

Thanks though..


I don't have an alternate account that made a trust review.

It's best that Betcoinsports, or others, answer your questions as I don't want to speak for them. The review thread also has poster's opinions.

One thing that I would like to add is that most pure bitcoin books do not have any type of license. Payout history and longevity are a litmus test for bitcoin books.

It's different than fiat books located in Europe where a license is necessary.
1984  Economy / Gambling / Re: Betcoin.ag The Real Deal? on: January 04, 2016, 03:58:21 AM
Betcoin.ag is a strong book with a big customer base. There are quit a few top books located in unregulated jurisdictions.

That's making a lot of sense.
A strong book while just launching?

Being anonymous and having a hero account to back it up.
DDude it's 2016 that don't count anymore.

Give us some solid proof they are legit. Since they are to ''busy''

They opened 2.5 years ago with a strong payout history. Any payouts taking over 15 minutes should be reported here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=717790.0 .

They have a poker room in the World Poker Network. Betcoin.ag also uses the URL Betcoinsports.com.

They are the second rated bitcoin sportsbook using a conglomerate of analytic metrics behind only Nitrogensports.
1985  Economy / Gambling / Re: Betcoin.ag The Real Deal? on: January 04, 2016, 03:39:00 AM
Betcoin.ag is a strong book with a big customer base. There are quite a few top books located in unregulated jurisdictions.
1986  Economy / Gambling / Re: Poll : Who was The Best Sportsbook in 2015 ? Please vote. on: January 02, 2016, 12:34:00 AM
In a thread with 1000 views and under 100 replies directbet already has 100 votes? (Over the next 500 views they seemingly got 1 vote) According to search trends and alexa directbet seems significantly less popular than cloudbet yet carries 50x the votes of cloudbet already. Seems fishy, they were voted the #1 gambling site last time as well in a poll which featured primedice and just-dice by a large margin.

If you look at the people who typically post "I love directbet" it looks like this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=671620;sa=showPosts

That's not to say they aren't trustworthy or popular whatsoever, I'm sure they have quite a few users that love their service but it certainly seems they rigging these polls. in their favor. I know for a fact I'm not the only person here who has noticed this type of behavior from them over the past year.

Using multiple analytic sites it seems that Nitrogensports is #1 followed by Betcoinsports.

Chronological order of when the better books opened.

Anonibet
Nitrogen
Betcoinsports
Cloudbet
Jetwin
Directbet
Fairlay
1987  Economy / Gambling / Re: E-sports under one thread on: December 30, 2015, 07:48:28 AM
As posted above, Nitrogen and Betcoinsports are two good sites for betting esports.
1988  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: December 30, 2015, 07:46:30 AM
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1989  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: December 22, 2015, 01:20:44 AM
Books - If you are running any Holiday promotions, feel free to post about it.

Nitrogen has this going
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It’s the Holiday Season and we are excited to be launching another string of promotions, called the Nitrogen Christmas Special!  Seven promos will run between December 18th-31st. We will offer free-bet prizing for each event, and your entries will also qualify for a shot at the grand prize, a 1 BTC free bet!  Each promotion you participate in will earn you an entry into the grand prize draw! The grand prize will be handed out January 2nd, 2016.

Promotions may focus on the sportsbook, casino, or poker – and each promotion will offer different options.  If you enter 5 of the promotions, you will automatically receive a free bet of .01 BTC. Entering 6 promotions will give you 2 extra free bets of 0.01 BTC! That’s a total of 3 extra free bets, just for participating!

You can find the promotion details below.

Overall Rules:

For every promotion (unless stated otherwise) Nitrogen users must abide by the following rules:

One entry per user for each promotion
Must fulfill the requirements of the promotion in the time frame given
Free bets will be handed out within 24 hours
Those who attempt to multi-account these promotions will be ineligible for any following promotions.
Each promotion may include a draw for 1 larger prize (like a 0.1 BTC free bet) where you will find the winner below!

Promotion 1 : December 18th, 2015 3pm-6pm ET
Promotion 2 : December 21st, 2015 4pm-7pm ET
Promotion 3 : December 22nd, 2015 4pm-7pm ET
Promotion 4 : December 23rd, 2015 3pm-6pm ET
Promotion 5 : December 29th, 2015 4pm-7pm ET
Promotion 6 : December 30th, 2015 5pm-8pm ET
Promotion 7 : December 31st, 2015 3pm-6pm ET
Grand Prize Winner (1 BTC free bet): #
https://nitrogensports.eu/blog/nitrogen-christmas-special-homepage/
1990  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: December 20, 2015, 12:44:25 AM
New site coinbet24.com
1991  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: December 15, 2015, 09:25:05 PM
A couple of problems can be overlooked if corrected but there were many problems in the last 5 weeks. We can reconsider after a two month period of being fairly clean.

Also every book that has a dedicated thread here has no excuse not to be responding daily.


If they're only going to have someone look at the thread from time to time they should instead set up email notification to their support every time something is posted.

If a book (any book) is only going to use the thread to shill for themselves but ignore customers it's not a good sign.

true
1992  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: December 15, 2015, 09:19:13 PM
A couple of problems can be overlooked if corrected but there were many problems in the last 5 weeks. We can reconsider after a two month period of being fairly clean.
1993  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: December 15, 2015, 09:16:31 PM
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Re: Cloudbet.com - bitcoin sportsbook and casino | WORLDWIDE live dealer casino
December 11, 2015, 07:40:55 PM
   
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Hello Cloudbet, can you bring back live casino from Asia?

thank you so much"


Thanks gogo. I should have gone back a littler further. There were a lot of problems even in December. We'll hold off a while for Cloudbet.
1994  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: December 15, 2015, 09:11:25 PM
Has anyone had problems with either Cloudbet or BetBTC? Cloudbet was downgraded due to customer support as well as withdrawal times not being consistent. Both problems seem to be fixed.

The only problem with BetBTC is liquidity.

Is there any reason not to upgrade both books?

What evidence is there that Cloudbet's cs issues are fixed?
I know they posted here that they've fixed the problem.
But over the last year they've stated the same thing several times but the cs response never improved.

The only thing that I have to go on is that their thread is clean as well as interaction with Cloudbet stating that the average response time has changed from 22.6 hours to 3 hours.
1995  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: December 15, 2015, 08:46:51 PM
Has anyone had problems with either Cloudbet or BetBTC? Cloudbet was downgraded due to customer support as well as withdrawal times not being consistent. Both problems seem to be fixed.

The only problem with BetBTC is liquidity.

Is there any reason not to upgrade both books?
1996  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: December 15, 2015, 08:37:39 PM
We have already added a ton of extra sports and leagues to BetBTC. (Horse-Racing still incoming)

Positive Feedback keeps coming on our topic like the  deposits, freebet requests and liquidity.
Features like instant deposits, live chat support, API betting, anonymous betting and more were released.
We are operating for more than 1 year.

Our C- rating on this topic keeps unchanged  Sad

The only thing holding you back is liquidity. It's checked often. There will be some upgrades/downgrades in the next couple of weeks.
1997  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: December 15, 2015, 09:32:24 AM
1998  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: December 15, 2015, 09:07:56 AM
Anonibet downgraded from "A" to "C+" - Anonibet is a good book but they aren't able to meet the standard set where a majority of withdrawals shall be made within 15 minutes. A book must meet the 15 minute withdrawal mark to have a rating of "B-" or above.

DirectBet raised from "C" to "C+" - DirectBet's down time has decreased. What's keeping DirectBet from a higher rating are lines with a very high hold along with the confiscation of a player's bet and winnings. Margins will have to decrease along with the player's confiscated funds paid back in order for a higher grade.

The standard for a book to be "B-" or above is high.

"A" rated books
NitrogenSports A+ (2012)

"B"rated books
Betcoinsports B+ (2013)
Jetwin B+ (2013)
Casinobitcoin B (2013)

"C" rated books
Anonibet C+ (2011
Cloudbet C+ (2013)
DirectBet C+ (2014)
Fairlay C (2014)
Betmoose C- (2014)
OLEBitcoin C- (2013)*
Predictious C- (2013)
Betbtc C- (2014)

"D" rated books
Premiumtradings D+ (2014)
1999  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: December 12, 2015, 05:35:42 PM
If 5 minutes  is the acceptable amount of time to receive a btc withdrawal, why isn't Anonibet downgraded?

Their site states very clearly that it's 1-2 hours during the hours they have staff working, and 10 hours when they're off.

How can this not drop them several grades?

This is not acceptable.  This is not an "A" grade book.

Why is every other book held to a 5 minute standard, and they get 10 hours yet remain an "A" book?


'Withdrawal request made after 22:00 GMT will be processed the next day after 8:00 GMT"
This is primitive.

I agree that a downgrade is warranted. I made a personal withdrawal a while back that took longer than 15 minutes. They weren't downgraded at that time since no one else has been posting about withdrawals not meeting the 15 minute guideline.

There's a current complaint in their thread. Let's wait to see what happens with that before determining how much Anonibet should be downgraded.
2000  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: December 11, 2015, 10:31:07 PM
Time for a Nitrogen downgrade for their disappointing cs tonite.

On and offline for hours, no response to the many people in their thread asking what's going on.

I sent them an email over an hour ago, no response.

They've been having trouble staying online all week it appears from their thread.

If no one is going to maintain their bitcointalk thread overnite, they need to set up forwarding to their support department during those hours.

But of course if their support is taking over an hour to respond, they have other problems and need adequate staff.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=355081.new#new





I talked with Nitrogen. DDoS attacks put a strain on support times but everything is back to normal.
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