The debt market is currently the largest threat facing mankind with a potential correction to human life which could dwarf the fatalities of this virus by orders of magnitude. The real virus has gone completely unchecked at the FED since 2008. Looks like we may skip the recession and head straight into depression. Am I over-reacting? You said it. The sheeple just refuse to listen or to believe it. The MSM pounds them for years that the U.S. economy is strong and has recovered. O rly? Then how can a little virus outbreak suddenly cause complete economic breakdown? Because the economy never was strong. It never returned to awesome like they hoped. It was fragile as hell ever since the Financial Crisis, just hanging by a thread. Money printing and market injection is/was the only thing keeping it going.
|
|
|
OT: Proof that oil markets are rigged and the people are getting screwed? Crude oil basically falling since Oct 2018, crashing now 30%.... yet gas prices at the pump have barely budged since...well, 2013.
|
|
|
If I had to guess, people are withdrawing their money from corn because of the virus scare. "people" Fine. The large huge humongous alien (def. not human) WHALES are taking out their money due to their fears of the price falling even more due to the corona virus scare. Better? How much coin are the legal charges going to cost me for choking you people everytime you argue semantics?A lot. j/k Actually the distinction is important, especially for n00b investors to understand, because they are led to believe that all this buying or selling is greed/panic driven by hundreds of thousands of mom and pop Bitcoin holders. Not even close to true. Whales control 99.9% of the price action. And Whales never truly sell; they short (which means that are still net buyers, just at a lower price). HUGE difference between shorting and just dumping. They are trying to trick longs out of position. They want everyone else on the sidelines, in fiat, basically all the way up.
|
|
|
If I had to guess, people are withdrawing their money from corn because of the virus scare. "people"
|
|
|
Another alternative would be to tear down the market distorting regulations that serve nothing but entrenched interests. That might work better, too. Plus, it would have the benefit of being a more moral system, as it would not be predicated upon coercion.
As you've already indicated, it'll never happen when the 'entrenched interests' are the ones in control of the corrupt system in the first place. Too much money to be made off the chronically sick and elderly in the U.S.
|
|
|
Yeah, I like those guys. Funny how convenient that this virus outbreak popped up in China, just as the golden years there were completely waning? Why didn't it appear years ago during the boom times in China? So so convenient that timing... The Club just loves a good FUD 'black swan' just when markets are peaking/sliding.
|
|
|
If any of you guys talking about China want to know what's really been going there for the last ten years, check out this short summary video. It's by an American fluent in Mandarin who lived over there during that time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed4ryYokLzU
|
|
|
It keeps crashing upwards against the USD, many times in fact.
|
|
|
no fucking way creepy uncle Joe beats Trump
this whole election thing just became decidedly less entertaining
of course, Joe has a pretty high probability of blowing his own foot off in time for a Sanders nomination
Sanders v Trump is the TV show we all deserve
What people have to understand is that it's the same shit either way. One party wants to slow down the printing press, but wants to tax the middle class more to compensate. The other party wants no more taxes on the middle class, but wants to keep the printing press going to compensate. Either way, we're all fucked. The purchasing power of the dollar continues to fall, houses/things get more expensive, no one gets raises, everyone gets more in debt, etc.
|
|
|
Money printers are printing up a historical shit ton of money as we speak for the Flux4Bro AKA COVBULL-19.
What's going to be funny as shit is seeing the media's reaction when this Coronavirus situation blows over. They'll all be like, "Ok world, the virus is licked now, you all can go out and shop again! Have fun and spend freely!" And it'll be fkn crickets. Everyone was completely broke and deep in debt before the virus came, and so they sure as shit still will be after the virus runs it's course. Nothing will have changed. There won't be any pent up demand. People will still stay home. The global deflationary environment will still continue. The Fed rates will eventually slide into the negative. How long until all confidence in the USD is completely shattered? Tick tock, tick tock.
|
|
|
*FED CUTS BENCHMARK RATE 50 BPS, SAYS VIRUS POSES EVOLVING RISKS
wow!
Must be what the rally was about yesterday. Some peeps got wind of the cut early. Of course they did. The Fed has been leaking decision info to "the club" since forever.
|
|
|
I think it's time we called in the real Guardians. These fakes are toast.
|
|
|
Never seen so much panic about most likely nothing too horrific Hell, an average of ~102 Americans die every single day just in car accidents.
|
|
|
An easy case can be made, especially since the Financial Crisis of 2009, that these virus outbreaks have had little to no long term impact on the markets. And that shouldn't be a surprise, since we are in a long term melt-up. All the growth economies of the world have been negative since 2009. Nothing will stop the Fed and the CBs from keeping this market moving North. Because supply chains don't really mean shit when actual demand has cratered a long time ago. Welcome to the world zombie economy. Ask yourself, will what is happening right now even matter in 5 years? Nope. #BUYBTC #BUYPMs #BUYANYTHINGDEFLATIONARY
|
|
|
How much news can the fake news fake, while the fake news fakes, fake news?
|
|
|
The technical explanation in the WO posted link I can't locate did make sense. The Israelis were targeting an avian flu vaccine (chicken IIRC), and they found out it's very similar to COVID-19. In particular, it uses the very same mechanism to enter the host cell. TL;DR I'm still undecided which conspiracy fits me better. EDIT BitcoinNewsMagazine found it. But again I say, how "convenient" that they were already supposedly doing this research and how "convenient" they stumbled on the same supposed mechanism? This is all just Truman Show bullshit. It's a completely managed market now; they needed a correction (to take profits and reset their long positions), and they needed a FUD excuse for a correction. That is all. Same fake shit they did in late 2018. They won't let the market fall for long. It's a melt-up. They need to keep pumping it, seemingly forever. Either that, or we get another Great Depression. The Fed will take rates to near zero.
|
|
|
If the news from Israel is to be believed, we're on our way to a vaccine. With fast track approval from the Ministry of Health, it might be available in 3 months. Someone posted an interesting link a few pages ago, sorry I can't remember who it was (not V8 though).
And of course they'll magically have a vaccine ready in 2-3 months. Right when the world stock market needs some good news. How convenient timing, eh?
|
|
|
PSA Fun Fact: 'Shorting' is not the same as 'dumping'. Shorting is when someone smarter than you is actually buying your coins that you just panic sold at a loss, because you have a spine of jelly. This is why you are not wealthy. insider dumping = NAKED shorting ~you new here? lol Fuck off n00b troll. Been here waaay longer than you.
|
|
|
PSA Fun Fact: 'Shorting' is not the same as 'dumping'. Shorting is when someone smarter than you is actually buying your coins that you just panic sold at a loss, because you have a spine of jelly. This is why you are not wealthy.
|
|
|
Even though real demand fell off a cliff quite a few years ago. Americans and much of the world citizens are completely tapped out, from all the personal household debt, student loan debt, and lack of income growth. They can't consume any more stuff. And they are starting to not even desire any more stuff, willing to live and be happy with less.
Yeah, nobody needs a faster computer or better smartphone these days. Tech companies saw this years ago, and desperately tried to invent new types of products: smart watches, fitness trackers, VR... but nobody needs this shit. Now they're trying foldable smartphones, ha! Exactly. Not only that, but as a prerequisite to buying more stuff (e.g., furniture, household accessories, pictures/paintings, collectibles, etc.) you need somewhere to put all that stuff, i.e. a sizeable house like people their age bought back in the early 2000's. But with house prices doubling in just the last 5 years, young and middle-aged people can't even afford a nice/big house any longer. So they settle with a small apartment, where space is limited. Likewise many retirees are downsizing or have already downsized. People have cut waay back on buying more of everything: new clothes, new gadgets, new jewelry, new household items, new cars, etc. It could literally be another decade or two before people start buying stuff again, but that would be predicated on income growth actually moving up again. Don't see that happening any time soon either. This looks very interesting and I do agree with most of it... but I don't see where you are going. Do you think we are already on a deflationary economy? Yes, absolutely, I believe we have been in a global deflationary economy since the Financial Crisis in 2009. There has been no real economic growth since then. All the media delivered so-called "growth" has been completely fake and almost entirely fueled with low-interest debt. That is why the Fed cannot and will not raise interest rates, it would crash the world markets and usher in a new Great Depression, but on a global scale. Remember that something like ~40% of U.S. companies are now zombie companies, each one propped up by the banks (through cheap debt) in order to merely employ tens of thousands of people to pay them a salary so they can then help consume stuff (in a U.S. economy whose GDP is 70% consumption-driven). The U.S. is the major global consumption entity of the entire world. Why do you think that all these mega IT/Tech companies have shifted focus over the last decade to collecting and selling user data? They're selling the user data to the marketing departments of retail and wholesale goods suppliers, because they want to more acutely target consumers to sell them more shit and more services (that are not selling otherwise, because demand has dried up). They are completely desperate to sell everyone more stuff, but people can't afford more stuff, and now even their desire for more stuff has cratered.
|
|
|
|