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221  Other / Off-topic / Re: Does the size matter? on: August 30, 2015, 07:03:00 PM
3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197

Yes, you left a few digits off....

 -snip-
nice one mate Wink)

You both missed a million of X digits. Roll Eyes
222  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Thoughts from Russia on the block size situation and Blockstream on: August 30, 2015, 06:47:01 PM
It is the wrong thing to do even if you have the right to do it.
It might be wrong because you've been taught that it is wrong. Until someone gets punished here for mentioning XT, there is no problem. If someone doesn't like it, then they are free to leave.

Cypherdoc's thread was locked after the discussion turned heavily towards XT.  A Forum Administrator claimed the reason for locking the thread was that it was too broad in scope, so maybe you won't count this as "punished here for mentioning XT":

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1157185.msg12199651#msg12199651

 -snip-

Definitely, not! The thread was about Gold vs Bitcoin and thread was filled with XT discussions. You do know that off-topic posts are against forum rules, right? You are acting like a stupid person to support XT and you don't strike me as a fool, Peter!


Let me make my position clear:

(1) I view the block size limit as an anit-spam measure and I support increasing it.

(2) I believe Bitcoin's greatest point of centralization is presently in development and I support measures to reduce this centralization.

By supporting XT, I help push for both larger block sizes and help move us away from our dependency on Bitcoin Core. 

If another credible team forks Bitcoin Core into a third implementation that also supports larger blocks, I will support that implementation too. 

I'm in the exact same position. I really don't understand why some people are so attached to Core. What makes it so special? Centralized development goes against every principles that make bitcoin a robust system in the fist place. Core = central point of failure until XT came into existence. No matter the outcome XT opened a Pandora's box for future development and implementations. I guess it takes time for people to accept this new reality.

That's a good stand!

@Peter: I am not saying you shouldn't support XT, I am saying some of your posts which essentially is for showing support to XT seems a bit stupid and you don't strike me as a stupid to me.

P.S. Before supporting any clients, make sure it is safe by checking source codes thoroughly.

* Edited.
223  Other / Meta / Re: hilariousandco was promoted to Global Moderator! on: August 30, 2015, 06:44:51 PM
Thanks.

You are welcome! When were you promoted? Did admins contact you before they promoted you?

#WorstSituation #AbuseOfPower

I love it! Cheesy

{...} I thought it's Muhammed Zakir who became a moderator  Embarrassed

Don't worry! I am far from being a staff. There are many users who actively report posts and if any patroller/moderator is needed, one of them will be promoted. Eg:- shorena.
224  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Satoshi Nakamoto PLEASE resolve this debate? 1MB blockstream vs 8MB Gavin Blocks on: August 30, 2015, 06:23:44 PM
In my personal opinion, Satoshi is almost certainly already dead.

However, he fortunately already expressed an opinion about increasing the blocksize before he disappeared:

It can be phased in, like:

if (blocknumber > 115000)
    maxblocksize = largerlimit

It can start being in versions way ahead, so by the time it reaches that block number and goes into effect, the older versions that don't have it are already obsolete.

When we're near the cutoff block number, I can put an alert to old versions to make sure they know they have to upgrade.

Sounds like he was in favor of increasing the block size when it is needed.  The only question is:

"Is it needed yet?"

His quote about blocksize is exactly what core devs should be doing right now. Most of the XT discussion would be obsolete, when intelligent blocksize raising would come into effect. There are enough parameters that could be used to automate the process. Give the people enough time to adapt to the hard fork and anything should be running smoothly.

BTW, I agree, that it pretty much looks like SN is dead. I would even say, his death must have hit him by surprise. He had no time to move his coins.

What Satoshi is saying in the given example is, if number of blocks is greater than 115000, then maximum block size limit should be increased. He is not telling what the maximum block size limit should be.
225  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What is safer? Blockchain.info with 2fa or freshly wiped online comp w/ multibit on: August 30, 2015, 06:18:07 PM
i think Blockchain.info with 2fa and a long secured password is still a better option to store your coins because blockchain didn't ever got hacked if I was not wrong...I will advice you blockchain but decide by viewing others too
While it is true that blockchain.info never got hacked before, it is nearly impossible as they don't store unencrypted keys on the server. They do not need your consent to update their script which can introduce an exploit and they don't bother much about pentesting their script.

Are you sure they are not storing unencrypted private keys on their server? They can easily change the code to whatever they like and that makes it us to trust them completely.
226  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: I sent bitcoins and found that transaction is too large - what to do ? on: August 30, 2015, 06:12:36 PM
Nobody can undo a transaction.
Wrong. I can.

Bitcoin transactions are irreversible. What you are saying is different than reversing it but I can't understand it. Can you elaborate?

P.S. I forgot to tell that a miner controlling more than 51% hashrate can double-spend Bitcoins or reverse an unconfirmed transaction by only accepting the transaction he wants to be confirmed. CMIIW.
227  Other / Meta / Re: How to find the - Last edit time of any post. on: August 30, 2015, 06:02:41 PM
There won't be any dotted line if the edit was within 10 minutes after posting.

I think you should move this to Beginners & Help and please change your title if you are doing so. Or else, your thread most probably will be hijacked by spammers.
Is this true statement? I thought every edit with no limitation to time shows up like this.

Its true.
228  Other / Meta / hilariousandco was promoted to Global Moderator! on: August 30, 2015, 05:58:42 PM
Hilariousandco became Global Moderator. He deserves it! Now we have an active Global Moderator! Spammers gonna cry... Grin

@hilariousandco: Congragutations! Keep up the good work!
229  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: [NOW AVAILABLE] btchip : a Smartcard wallet on: August 30, 2015, 05:31:37 PM
Still hasn't received my BTCChip. Sad Any idea WHY? Was there any technical issues on the service you used to ship? OR will it receive soon? I had hope that it will but now it is approximately 1 month, my hope has gone. I have no complains on this company. Take that 0.05 BTC as my donation. Grin Smiley Best Of Luck!

  ~~MZ~~

yeah, I'm afraid it looks like I'm beta testing the post office delivery to non European / US countries. I'll resend it tomorrow using a different service, sorry for the delay.

Remember the one you send for first time? It reached its destination 2-3 months ago but the receiver informed me very recently. What should I do? Sending back is certainly not a good idea. Should I pay you or sell it to someone else and send you the money?

* Edited.
230  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: I sent bitcoins and found that transaction is too large - what to do ? on: August 30, 2015, 05:22:00 PM
Yes that are the kind of problems you need to face if you try to escape fees.
yes you have to give something to the developer back...lol
That applies only on multibit, electrum is totally free as far as I know.
Am I right???  Huh Huh Huh
Or....
Did you mean you have to pay something to the miner??

He is just spamming! Nobody can undo a transaction. You can either double-spend a transaction with higher fees or hope miners will include your transaction.
231  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [NEW Software] Fast Sign Verify on: August 30, 2015, 05:21:42 PM
I tried to sign a message but there is no field to put the private key so i get error.
 -snip-

Input the private key where you input the address when you sign.
232  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Thoughts from Russia on the block size situation and Blockstream on: August 30, 2015, 04:26:33 PM
It is the wrong thing to do even if you have the right to do it.
It might be wrong because you've been taught that it is wrong. Until someone gets punished here for mentioning XT, there is no problem. If someone doesn't like it, then they are free to leave.

Cypherdoc's thread was locked after the discussion turned heavily towards XT.  A Forum Administrator claimed the reason for locking the thread was that it was too broad in scope, so maybe you won't count this as "punished here for mentioning XT":

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1157185.msg12199651#msg12199651

 -snip-

Definitely, not! The thread was about Gold vs Bitcoin and thread was filled with XT discussions. You do know that off-topic posts are against forum rules, right? You are acting like a stupid person to support XT and you don't strike me as a fool, Peter!

Edit:

intereting. I just looked at the last page and

http://bitco.in/forum/threads/gold-collapsing-bitcoin-up.16/page-5

accusations against Greg Maxwell.

Oh geez, maybe the almighty core dev isn't as perfect
as some people think.
This is interesting. While XT was winning, the attacks were mostly directed towards Hearn and Gavin (until this "censorship" incident occured). Now after XT is being completely ignored by the miners and the industry, people have started attacking developers from the other side. Here's a fine example:
Quote
gmax has this bad habit of lying and just making stuff up

After quickly evaluating the emails that were posted publicly, I do not see a problem (not he technical parts) with them? I do see a problem with making them public, unless the other party agreed to it.

I think that was the issue.  I'm not even saying Greg was wrong or right...just pointing out the possibilities
that folks have biases that may not be always accurate.

Your posts don't seem like you are pointing possibilities but facts. Please correct from now on if you are just pointing possibilities!
233  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Thoughts from Russia on the block size situation and Blockstream on: August 30, 2015, 06:28:50 AM
@MZ,  I'm not really interested in debating a dozen points with you, as I've already expressed my views/concerns/opinions/theories/observations about these issues in this and numerous threads.
Im burned out on this whole topic and not much of anything new that I feel I can comment on. 

There are threads discussing bip 100 vs 101 in the tech section you may be interested in.

The wiki states the core devs don't strictly oppose 1mb but I still call stonewalling here given the context.  You may disagree and that's fine.  Cheers, JF

Okay. Understood. Thank you and goog luck!
234  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin XT has code which downloads your IP address to facilitate blacklisting on: August 30, 2015, 06:23:56 AM
Don't you see how the 'dictator' arguments in FOSS and software forks is a logical fallacy? People exercising their free will but not doing what you want does not equal dictatorship.

This is actually why dictatorship often succeed. They give to "the people" the impression of a choice by encouraging them to exercise "their free will" when they are tired of waiting for traditional issue resolution processes.

This is textbook "why the worst people get on top".

If BIP 101 succeeds, what makes you think that I won't be able to switch back to Core or only-bigblocks with a different set of developers? Is Core just going to give up?

For BIP101 to succeed it needs to be merged into Core so I am not sure what you are talking about?


I presume that your concern about XT is that it and BIP 101 succeed without core adopting it, right? Most on this list don't really seem to be worried about that given that miners aren't jumping onboard (yet). If XT were to somehow 'takeover' then my point is that BIP101 would get merged into core since there's no way core would just continue on with <25% hashrate, no coinbase or bitpay, etc.

The point being is that no matter what big blocks BIP ends up being finally adopted, there will be and should be multiple software clients available to end users which makes some sort of dictatorship completely impossible.

That is a positive scenario we are all hoping for, should BIP 101 succeed.  The concern is what % of clients XT will represent in this scenario.  If it is large, then you can only wonder what new "features" will be in it, given Hearn's clear bias for centralized trust-based systems.

Based on Hearn's previous proposals, and his complete control over XT, potential features include:

- Automatic updates
- Redlists
- Blacklists
- Whitelists
- Coin tainting

Maintainer making decisions for all code changed rather than unanimity/consensus.
235  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Thoughts from Russia on the block size situation and Blockstream on: August 30, 2015, 05:44:00 AM
-snip-
1. Again:  This was debated for 3 years.

There was no continuous discussion. It popups and goes down. Besides, earlier, it was not important as it is now.

Gavin was forced to release something with Mike Hearn

First of all, read https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ilbit/mike_hearn_responds_to_xt_critics/cuhpil1.

Mike Hearn proposed a hardfork without consensus.

-snip-
As nothing that has been proposed so far (Lightning, merge mined chains,
extension blocks etc) has much chance of actual deployment any time soon,
that leaves raising the block size limit as the only possible path left.
Which is why there will soon be a fork that does it.

because Greg and the kids on the blockstream wouldn't play ball.   If they really wanted to
release something, they would have worked with Gavin so the solution is more to their preferences. 

Core developers said Gavin's 20 MB block size limit increase were not a good idea. They didn't say don't increase block size limit. And, it was Gavin and Mike who did not accept proposals other than Gavin's.

Either
their interests in Blockstream prevented that,

"Either Mike's and Gavin's Coinbase/Circle involvement made them do it or lack of communication/team skills." FTFY. I don't believe this though. FWIW, I am not choosing any side now.

or they lack leadership/communication/team
skills.

Mike and Gavin are the two people who in the middle of discussion proposed a hardfork without consensus.

Either way is a problem.  I think when you boil it down, they just don't see the urgency
as Gavin does.  Maybe that's because of their other solutions like the lightening network.

Urgency does not mean we should implement a bad solution of Gavin's. Applying Moore's law but it doesn't... You know what I mean!

Maybe they are willing to stall Bitcoin and take bigger risks.

But they are making progress and how can that be stalling?

They don't want to take technical
risks purportedly, but they are willing to risk slowing down adoption.

Purportedly? Undecided

Taking a technical risk is better and willing to risk slowing down adoption is better than not willing to risk slowing adoption and not taking technical risk. We should make our technical stuff better before going for adoption. Nonetheless, waiting for a solution for sometime does not slow down adoption.

There is a risk/reward.
and part of their reward is blockstream business activities.  This is what you seem to deny.

They will get their reward for working them and we, at least me, don't deny it. What I(we) deny is you telling they don't want an increase because of Blockstream. Both are false because Core developers didn't say they did not want an increase and Blockstream works work better in higher block size.

2.  This leads to the next point.

Above points are just your or other XT-supporters creation. So it does not leads to "next" point of yours.

Gavin says a fix is urgently needed.
I say an imperfect fix IS better than no solution.

I don't think we can come with a "perfect" solution but at least, we should come with a good solution. Not a solution with doubling every two years and hint Moore's law. Moore's law is not applicable anymore and it is not good to implement without proper testing.

Gavin
essentially said "Core devs won't agree, but we need bigger blocks,
so I'm going to do the best thing I can and release Bip 101 on Mike's fork."

You are right. Core developers don't agree to Gavin's solution but does that mean they are against block size limit increase? No.

No one ever said Bip 101 was perfect, but who are you to say its "broken"
and its worse than no solution?

Because Gavin used Moore's law but it is not applicable anymore.

I guess you know more about bitcoin than
Gavin so we should listen to you.  Roll Eyes
---

Certainly not!

The only way your position even makes sense is if you truly believe its not
important to have bigger blocks asap.

Its important to have bigger block size limit but we should not implemented a bad solution.

It must mean you agree with the devs

Not really. I agree with the developers that Gavin's solution is not a good one.

who aren't ready to raise the limit.

They will implement a good solution. We will get higher block size limit soon! Miners are voting...

Somehow it doesn't scare you.

It scares me when you and others say to implement Gavin's solution.

You're not
worried about scalability.

I am worried about Bitcoin's long-term success.

Again, risk/reward.  But you won't be getting the
rewards that blockstream and its investors get by taking their side.   

I certainly get a reward. Bitcoin.


Sorry but I don't see any relevant answer in it. Maybe you can post here with references.

I am asking one thing to Jonald, knight22 and whoever else who is saying Core developers hired by Blockstream is only for 1 MB block size limit. Did all these Core developers actually say it?



By the way, block size or bigger blocks is not equal to bigger block size limit.
236  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Thoughts from Russia on the block size situation and Blockstream on: August 29, 2015, 07:01:04 PM
I am asking one thing to Jonald, knight22 and whoever else who is saying Core developers hired by Blockstream is only for 1 MB block size limit. Did all these Core developers actually say it?
237  Other / Off-topic / Re: Anyone heard anything from/about DeathAndTaxes aka Gerald Davis? on: August 29, 2015, 06:53:58 PM
My working theories:

1) Left Bitcoin in disgust over the fact he spent so much time developing his business only to be shot down by regulators.

2) Was scared away by the authorities/regulators.

3) Was handed a Non Prosecution Agreement like Ripple was.

3) He was arrested like I was.

I saw your post earlier saying something like this about Gerald. That's one of the reasons I created this topic. Hope he is/was not arrested!
238  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitkey.io How safe and legit they are ? on: August 29, 2015, 06:45:47 PM
You are welcome  Shocked I got an another question because it dosen't make sense to me when they ask you to run LiveCD thing how you are supposed to keep that watch-only or whatever you made on the LiveCD if you will reboot later ?
I thought LiveCD is only for testing and it's never saved or anything , I mean if I do something , reboot PC and re-enter again I will find everything gone , right ? At least this what I understood last time when I was installing Ubunu (not topic related to BTC) .

You should create persistent live USB.

http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/14912/create-a-persistent-bootable-ubuntu-usb-flash-drive/
239  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What is safer? Blockchain.info with 2fa or freshly wiped online comp w/ multibit on: August 29, 2015, 06:31:57 PM
Of course Multibit is safer.
Bitcoin Core > 3rd party Bitcoin clients > online wallets
As you can see, online wallets are the worst decision for storing Bitcoin.

Your comparison is wrong! Bitcoin Core = Other clients in matter of safety.
240  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitkey.io How safe and legit they are ? on: August 29, 2015, 06:28:53 PM
Their project is abandoned and nobody has reported any bug or backdoor AFAIK. I think you can use it! I recommend Tails or BackTrack.

What do you mean by use Tails or BackTrack ? you mean instead of BitKey or along with it  Huh BackTrack is dead as far as I know so there is Kali linux now instead . but does Bitcoin wallets works on those Operating system at least

Instead of BitKey. Tails offer both privacy and security. Kali Linux is for especially penetration testing and digital forensic. You can go for Tails.

You are right. I got confused. BackTrack is rebuilt and distributed under the name Kali Linux but I got confused, which one is the former and which is the latter. Thanks for correcting!
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