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2261  Economy / Speculation / Re: Reason why I put all my money in Bitcoin as a newbie on: July 30, 2022, 02:09:54 AM
When Newbie Invest and gets profit, he will think that Bitcoin is a very good investment, this has also been experienced when I was still a newbiew, at first I invest around $ 50 then profit and became $ 80 in less than a month this made me excited to continue to continue to continue to continue Invest, but after I invest in large quantities that occur is the price of drops and makes me panic and sell everything, I am happy cause profit about 5% in 4 months.

You could have targeted a long-term investment for Bitcoin and you will see a better result.  Bitcoin had already proven itself that it can recover, history will show us how the Bitcoin market behaves and possibly show us a pattern that we can use to our advantage.  I hope you won't panic sell next time when the price of BTC crashes, the price will surely recover and even get to new heights.

I think for those who have been at least in 2017, witnessed the great bull run, one has to think that it's better to be a long term investor. I guess it's the mentality though, it's going to be very difficult for others to hold at least one full cycle of 4 years to see where our investments goes.

Nevertheless, for those who have been their, for sure, they know that this bear market is the best opportunity to accumulate again, hold till the next bull run of 2024-2025.
2262  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Tennis League All Thread on: July 30, 2022, 01:45:43 AM
The first set just ended between swiatek and garcia and the result was shocking garcia managed to win 6 1 a really bad set from swiatek i didn't see her perform so poorly in a while, it seems french players have figured out how to stop her but i don't think its over swiatek still can make a comeback and now we have a decent odd for her winning.

Shocking loss in the end for Swiatek, she was able to win second set 6-1 but lost the third set and lost the game at her own country. You would never expect that she losses at home against Garcia. That Wimbledon defeat knocked her badly down she needs to win a tournament and comeback

Aww, after a good run and having a stronghold on the top spot in the womens, suddenly we've seen some nerves of Swiatek now.

Perhaps there is a huge pressure on here shoulder in playing at here own country. Nevertheless, we do hope that this setback might make her hungry and be motivated. For sure, she will remain at the end of this season at the top. But she has to maintain her form.
2263  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing]: Teofimo Lopez vs Pedro Campa - Aug 13 on: July 30, 2022, 01:18:54 AM
So I concur that this is a must win for him and even call out Taylor after the fight

Well, he needs to be careful, one step at a time, win here in an impressive way and he will eventually get a chance to fight the champion. Taylor vs Lopez should be a great fight, though Taylor is the champion but Lopez skills could beat the champ so I might back him to win if that would happen.

Oh for sure, he will be careful, but at the same time, I'm thinking that Lopez will exploit everything on Campa. Probably read him in the first two rounds, and then uses his jab. In my opinion, Lopez could still have the power even if he moves to this division. So we might see that in this fight. And again, assuming he will win, Taylor for him or any other champion that is fighting right now for Taylor's other belt that he has given up.
2264  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Crawford vs Spence on: July 30, 2022, 12:57:56 AM
Ok, this is just my thoughts, I think it boils down to the guaranteed money for either boxer. I'm not sure of the numbers but we haven't seen 1 million buys for a long time isn't it? And then the PPV is going to be expensive in this one, like $80.00. Is fans willing to pay that much or would rather look for other venues to watch it for free? (just like the majority of us here). So the networks maybe can't guarantee how much they are going to give them in terms of the PPV. Even the Canelo fights are not that generating at least 1 million PPV, he is the cash cow right now. So this could be in the tune of like 500,000-600,000 which might fall to the expectation of networks.

It is really about the money. We are not even sure if Crawford and Spence already agreed on the purse split. What you mentioned might be the main issue here. I read an interview with Bob Arum last week and he also mentioned the ongoing issues with boxers' purse guarantees. The problem with illegal streams. And the current covid and Ukraine war that put the world economy into crisis. I know a lot of people hate Bob Arum and I am not also a fan of Arum. But what he said were facts. Imagine Canelo received more or less than $50 million and another $5 million to Bivol. And the fight only generated 500,000 PPV buys?  

Right, it's all about the piracy - illegal streamers that really hurt the PPV numbers of some of the great fights in the last couple of years. And it's really hard to crack them, I mean they are all over the social media so even as hard as the networks trying to sue and bring them down legally, it will be very hard. So the money might not be enough for this two, as they are elite and demanding more. But how can promotion and network do that if the PPV numbers will not do good? In the past, Manny can have some unknown dance partner and still generated a good PPV numbers around 300,000 to 500,000 buys.

They cannot eliminate those illegal streamers as they are everywhere, however, they can still make a lot of money because people living in developed countries can certainly afford to buy a PPV, so why would they rely on the illegal streams that can be interrupted anytime. Also, this PPV is not available worldwide, so some has no choice but to look for illegal streams just to be able to watch the fight.

You have seen the numbers already, many have posted that even Canelo can only get 500,000 buy at the state of the economy around the world. It's not just who can afford to watch and buy at $80.00, it's about this fight reaching the boxing fans as this is one of the most anticipated fight. But since the whole world right now is suffering, people losing jobs, nation on the recession, inflation and everything that $80.00 is going to be huge for us. Yes, it might not be available worldwide, but the numbers are dropping so hard because of illegal streamers that networks are not making the money they used to have. So in effect they offer for boxers are also suffering.

@harizen - not sure about the solution, but years ago, Bob Arum has to deal with Hatton and Pacquiao. And so there is a contention above the guaranteed purse. And he said, this is according to him, he has to pay at least $1-2 million from his own pocket (he didn't tell which boxer it is), just to get the fight going. And so again, we hated Arum but his match and cherry picking fights for his cash cow, but at least this guy is very intelligent and knows when to step in to make the fight happen, (for sure just like what he did on the Floyd and Manny fight, the biggest PPV ever).
2265  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: You won't find this on Google yet on: July 29, 2022, 06:43:21 AM
Yeah, I guess not everyone is familiar with the terms.

And if you search for it, there are already platforms offering this like (https://accubits.com/initial-nft-offering-platform/).

Could be the latest, but just like it's predecessors of ICO->IEO hype. Still the same crowdfunding, looking for early bird investors willing to shell out their money and support NFTs.
2266  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing]: Teofimo Lopez vs Pedro Campa - Aug 13 on: July 29, 2022, 03:59:34 AM

Right, this is going to be a concern if Lopez loses this fight. He can't go back to 135 lbs anymore but then again losing at his first fight in the 140 lbs with a name like Campa doesn't go well with his name. So for me this is like a must-win for Teo and his father. Otherwise, they can't brag anymore and that Josh Taylor fight is not going to happen in the future as he can't even beat a non contender fighter. What more with hard hitters like Zepeda and Ramirez.

Big names that possibly he will be meeting once he accomplished this upcoming fight against Campa, it's a must win indeed since he already move up and now trying to create his statue from this division, he need to beat Campa in an interesting way to hype his name and find another interesting fight to bring more money from this new division that he's now involve.

Let see if how he will manage to beat Campa, and what is the new strategy that he may show to gather interest from his fans and followers.

As said in the users above, there's got to be a reason why they choose Pedro Campa as Teo's first opponent in this division and I'm sure that one of those reasons is to gather the hype again to surround Teo's name because his name was pretty much dried up when he got his first loss against Kambosos.
But yes, whatever it is, this is a must-win fight because losing against the likes of Campa won't get him anywhere, and pretty much sure he won't get big fights with the big names to produce big figures. A decision result will be good enough but a stoppage or KO will be much better as a start in this new division.

Right, and it is a good pick for Lopez to be his first opponent in this division. It will make Lopez looks tough facing a boxer like Campa. And just like what he did previously in 135 lbs, he will definitely look for the champion sooner to get a belt to become a 2 belt champion. So I concur that this is a must win for him and even call out Taylor after the fight
2267  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Canelo vs Golovkin 3 - September 17 on: July 29, 2022, 03:07:18 AM
@ 4.10 that's going to attract more gamblers and fans to bring out decent amount of money to bet for GGG, a lot of people still believe that even GGG is no longer on his prime,

That was good odds. GGG having @4.10 is something unusual even though he is up again the prime Canelo Alvarez. I hope for more increased odds while the fight is approaching. Still, a long way to go and there should be odds adjustment at both.

But in any case, taking @4.10 odds should be considered picking now.

Aside from that, others maybe will try to support GGG for the last time just in case he will retire if he loses to Canelo in this fight.

I don't think it's unusual though, if my memory serves me right, that's about the same odds or close enough odds on their second fight.

Sports bookies knows that eventhough Canelo lost to Bivol, he is still in his prime and duplicate again the win (although it's debatable). And this is Canelo's best weight which they are going to contest to, so all advantage points to Canelo and that's why the huge gap in the odds.
2268  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Crawford vs Spence on: July 29, 2022, 01:30:26 AM
Ok, this is just my thoughts, I think it boils down to the guaranteed money for either boxer. I'm not sure of the numbers but we haven't seen 1 million buys for a long time isn't it? And then the PPV is going to be expensive in this one, like $80.00. Is fans willing to pay that much or would rather look for other venues to watch it for free? (just like the majority of us here). So the networks maybe can't guarantee how much they are going to give them in terms of the PPV. Even the Canelo fights are not that generating at least 1 million PPV, he is the cash cow right now. So this could be in the tune of like 500,000-600,000 which might fall to the expectation of networks.

It is really about the money. We are not even sure if Crawford and Spence already agreed on the purse split. What you mentioned might be the main issue here. I read an interview with Bob Arum last week and he also mentioned the ongoing issues with boxers' purse guarantees. The problem with illegal streams. And the current covid and Ukraine war that put the world economy into crisis. I know a lot of people hate Bob Arum and I am not also a fan of Arum. But what he said were facts. Imagine Canelo received more or less than $50 million and another $5 million to Bivol. And the fight only generated 500,000 PPV buys? 

Right, it's all about the piracy - illegal streamers that really hurt the PPV numbers of some of the great fights in the last couple of years. And it's really hard to crack them, I mean they are all over the social media so even as hard as the networks trying to sue and bring them down legally, it will be very hard. So the money might not be enough for this two, as they are elite and demanding more. But how can promotion and network do that if the PPV numbers will not do good? In the past, Manny can have some unknown dance partner and still generated a good PPV numbers around 300,000 to 500,000 buys.
2269  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: There will be 1 billion crypto users by 2030 - research on: July 29, 2022, 12:46:47 AM
Does the study entails if there will be some form of hindrances to these figures? Just curious if we can add more to the the scalability issue, lack of education, hacks, and other kind of hindrances to adoption. It's a long way to go or not but we only increase when it's in the bull market and that's a fact, people gone when it's winter like we are now.

i think, the numbers are just estimates. so they may have missed some parameters or factors. but it is showing positive growth in the next coming years, so the possibility that btc will further increase its value is high. with this projection, you can now decide whether to invest more or not, while btc is still down. they may missed the exact numbers here, but if it will be near in those predictions, that's already quite promising to invest in this market.

Yeah, I think in the bull run of 2017, we kind of heard this news as well, crypto is being adopted and x numbers of people are going into it.

So the same thing happen in 2021 bullish market, and this pattern might continue to the next bull run of 2024-2025 and so on. So the numbers are estimates but we could be near that numbers by 2030.
2270  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum Classic Catches Triple-Digit Gains During the Last Two Weeks! on: July 28, 2022, 11:11:18 PM
As Vitalik sais - ETC is a good coin for PoW) So you can understand that all ETH PoW lovers will jump into ETC.
Every miner will now have the idea where to jump if ever the PoW to PoS transition is done and that is with ETC. There's that love again for ETC and for a long time, this has been unnoticed by most. But thanks to Vitalik, there's still that influence from people like him that when a project isn't getting attention, with just a few simple words and introduction and explanation, everyone is going to get on it. That's really soaring for ETC after those words from Vitalik.

I think this could have been the main reason, at least they can still continue to mine with their hardware and totally shift to ETC and they are good to go.

Yeah, Vitalik is still very influential in his project although he somewhat becomes a titular head now. But still though, many followed his tweets and listen when he open his mouth. The price is still above $40.00 the last time I check, still a good price in my opinion.
2271  Economy / Speculation / Re: Today is the day on: July 28, 2022, 06:31:40 AM
Happy because today the price rose more than 8% and returned to the level of $ 23k, I was more optimistic that in 2022 it would reach at least $ 75k, if we invest now then I'm sure I can profit 300% in 6 months or less, never panic When the price drops, but this makes the opportunity to continue to buy.

I'm sorry but I'm not seeing the price going to $75,000 though this year, we are still in the bear market. As far as the price goes today, yeah, another good jump and we never anticipated it. I thought that we will go back to $20,000 levels.

Yes, never panic, just continue to accumulate in this bear market. Nothing beats buying at cheap price and then holding it till the next bull run. Who knows, we maybe looking at 6 digits and hitting that $100,000 in the future.
2272  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing]: Shakur Stevenson vs Robson Conceicao - Sept 23 on: July 28, 2022, 03:07:34 AM
So I'm expecting from the first round, Stevenson will be coming hard and maybe a early technical knockout win for him.

I don't think he would do that, as you said, he is a technical fighter and a technical fighter would like to take it slow but in a consistent way. He is not aggressive as Valdez that's why he dominates Valdez because of his effective strategy which is using his quickness while Valdez was not able to use his power most of the time in the fight.

Shakur waits for an opportunity while the pressure fighter comes after him like what he did with Valdez but why they did all this show while Robson is not there at all will make the crowd think its all just Shakur show.

Consider this the easiest fight match to make money as long as you bet a huge amount also seeing what the odds is as of now. It will also be a huge loss if an upset happens.

That will really be a huge upset if Robson somewhat manage to win, in any form against the best 130 lbs  fighter we have. No doubt that Robson have the tools, but at the same time, Shakur is about to hit the peak of his boxing career so it will be very difficult to see a boxer with this caliber at his prime being upset. So for me, I'm not seeing it happening, and so again, the wise bet could be Shakur.
2273  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The characteristics of people who are addicted to online gambling on: July 28, 2022, 02:34:08 AM
This is the reason why I don't agree with some people who think that gambling is not just a form of entertainment. There are certain people who believe that gambling is money-making if it is done in a more serious way. I don't think so. The more a person thinks that gambling gives money, the more he is facing the risk of addiction. If it is for fun then a moderate amount of loss is nothing. It is because that money spent was only a sort of payment to the entertainment one gets.
Why not? When what they are saying is a fact. Gambling do really has two purpose. One is for entertainment and the other one is for profit making. When they are serious, they will formulate their own strat or find existing starts online.

I guess it up to the players themselves, maybe there could be some who gamble to have some fun (and willing to lose money that they can afford), or the second set of individuals who wants to win big.

It's only harder tho if we are dealing about casinos but sports I think is much easier because we can just look a the players or the teams statistics and maybe other factors like weather, the stadium where they play, etc to determine if who we think can win. Nothing is wrong with that as long as self control is still there and they will learn when to stop. The same goes when we are playing to get entertained as it can also be addicting.

Definitely, sport betting is much better, we have the higher odds of winning. And when we follow the sports that we have been betting, for sure, you really know who has the good chance and that's where you put your money. So it boils down to individual preferences I guess.
2274  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Tennis League All Thread on: July 28, 2022, 02:11:26 AM
Holger Rune has had a crazy drop off in terms of quality and levels after some commendable performances in the slams. He beat Tsitsipas in Wimbledon and then lost to Ruud and since then, he hasnt won a single match. Lost 7 matches in a row. He's lost to Carreno Busta, Peniston, Giron, Husler, Griekspoor and very recently to Zapata Miralles. High hopes from this kid and at the moment seems to be on a down ward spiral. Hope he picks things back up soon.

I was also looking at Rune after that upset win against Tsitsipas. But after that never heard from him. So he lost 7 matches in a row? There are some names in their, however, Peniston or Giron or Husler, he should have won that. Anyhow, let's see how he goes and hopefully he can get over that slump. Ivashka continuing his winning form in Atlanta, winning against Johnson of USA, and should be facing the top seed Opelka.
2275  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What's to make of the NFT craze in retrospect? on: July 27, 2022, 04:23:12 AM
Well, those premium NFTs have been made like an exclusive club and it's not really for everyone but only for those that can afford it. We don't know if they're still a thing after 5 years because everything that becomes a craze in the crypto market is just passing by. Yes, there's ownership of those jpegs, digital arts, and whatsoever but that's a thing that we don't know if it will be passed eventually. Just take a look at those ICOs, IEOs, and others? Well, NFTs might be part of that history in the next years, we don't know.

Yeah, perhaps the premium NFTs are for exclusive clubs only, those investors that have a lot of money in their pocket and willing to shell out millions for that kind of art work.

On the other hard, for us, ordinary investors, then it's not for us, and maybe we look for ways to make money out of the NFT craze. But as far as the what happen to ICO's, IEO, launchpad, P2E and other hypes, they eventually passed.
2276  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Fernando Martinez vs Jerwin Ancajas rematch - Oct.8 on: July 27, 2022, 02:49:19 AM
Exactly, this should be enough that he will motivated and bring the glory to PH boxing again.

He was not supposed to lose in the first fight, however,  maybe he was just having a bad night that time that he can't recover and seems to be out of tune against Martinez. Fernando is tough no doubt but I think if Ancajas will focus and not look for that knock out punch, he can outslug him late and could win in the scorecard.

Being motivated is good but it only fuels his will to fight but not his overall strength. Being just brave, courageous, and determined, are all useless if his body can't keep up with the physical blows he will encounter in the fight. He should focus on improving his sturdiness to make his withstanding skills much stronger while working out for a much strong punch or any offensive type.

Being defeated by the underdog in their first match takes a heavy effect on Ancajas.

We can't disregard what happened to him in their first match. That needs lots of improvements for the same result not to happen again.

I agree, we can't take out from the equation that he was defeated by the huge underdog in the first fight. But to be a great boxer or even to be put on the elite level, he has to motivate himself and avenge his lost. Filipino boxing legends such as Elorde, Pacquiao and Nonito has that kind of mentality that's why they were able to stay in the game for so long.

So that is up to Jerwin, he need to be have the advantage in the mind game as well and I do hope he had that in the rematch and be influence in a positive way with that lost.
2277  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Tennis League All Thread on: July 27, 2022, 02:24:56 AM
Brooksby vs Paire, I'm liking Paire at +5.5 although odds is 1.64. Might do another multi betting.
Paire is really risky player when you are betting on him to cover handicap. He is very capable but mentally unstable. I have seen and lost money on too many his matches to ever include him on my tickets agsin. He can simply break apart in any period of the match and not win a single game afterwards.

Right, and Paire lost with that huge margin, 6-3,6-1.

Nick match against Gojowczyk was cancelled when I did check the scores and it seems most seeded players went through to next round.

In the round of 16, top seed Opelka will go up against Ivashka. Then Americans Isner, second seed vs. Shelton.
2278  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Crawford vs Spence on: July 27, 2022, 01:07:29 AM
Ok, this is just my thoughts, I think it boils down to the guaranteed money for either boxer. I'm not sure of the numbers but we haven't seen 1 million buys for a long time isn't it? And then the PPV is going to be expensive in this one, like $80.00. Is fans willing to pay that much or would rather look for other venues to watch it for free? (just like the majority of us here). So the networks maybe can't guarantee how much they are going to give them in terms of the PPV. Even the Canelo fights are not that generating at least 1 million PPV, he is the cash cow right now. So this could be in the tune of like 500,000-600,000 which might fall to the expectation of networks.
2279  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: If There's No Casino Signature Will The Gambling Board Still Be The Same on: July 24, 2022, 01:22:23 AM
As far as I can remember, this board is somewhat very active even if that time there's no explosion of gambling paying signature campaigns.

Gamblers will post mostly about their tips in this board and exploits or strategies or even bots for that matter, (crash game was the hottest that time). But obviously, when there are a lot of campaigns that focus solely on gambling because it is a casino that you are promoting and they wanted the participants to post there, then this numbers increases every year.
2280  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Fernando Martinez vs Jerwin Ancajas rematch - Oct.8 on: July 24, 2022, 12:54:39 AM
this is the chance of ancajas to redeem all the recent losses of filipino boxers. more than couple of months of preparation, and i guess, that's more than enough to form their strategies and have their full pack training. with the hunger of redemption, i think, i will bet on ancajas here.
usually, if the fight is not so big, the odds will be out 1 or 2 weeks before the fight, so we may not be seeing the odds this month.

Exactly, this should be enough that he will motivated and bring the glory to PH boxing again.

He was not supposed to lose in the first fight, however,  maybe he was just having a bad night that time that he can't recover and seems to be out of tune against Martinez. Fernando is tough no doubt but I think if Ancajas will focus and not look for that knock out punch, he can outslug him late and could win in the scorecard.
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