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1321  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: March 23, 2023, 01:39:55 PM
With John Ryder, it will give Canelo a boost of confidence after it. This fight is not even hyped or probably because they don't want to ruin Tank Davis's moment.

It would be very head scratching to speculate that Canelo vs. Ryder fight can ruin Tank vs. King Ry's main event. No one wants to pay to see Canelo fight Ryder. There is no hype behind this and who is this John Ryder?

I reckon what the fans would like to see for Canelo is fight Benavidez! However, it appears Canelo is avoiding him hehehe. Canelo wants a rematch vs. Bivol but Bivol is avoiding Canelo because he wants a unification in light heavyweight.

In all fairness to Ryder as per record he is the interim champ, so yeah, he deserves this fight although majority of us haven't heard his name before.

Ryder though is aware of that and even knows that he is just a test for Canelo coming back from any injuries.

That's what we wanted, Mexican vs Mexican, LOL, I don't know why Canelo doesn't want to give the Benavidez their chance to have this kind of fight. But Senior still goes to the media and says that Canelo doesn't want anything with his son that's why he is avoiding him right now. David though is up coming and maybe his time with Canelo will come.
1322  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Boxing: Errol Spence vs Keith Thurman on: March 23, 2023, 12:52:02 PM
So I started this thread last year and it's nearly 5 months already and there is no deal yet between Spence and Thurman? That leads to the assumption as to how hard it is to reach an agreement with Spence. First, he killed the potential undisputed fight with Crawford who's been waiting for nearly a year for nothing. Now the WBC is giving Spence the favor to fight a very popular but out of his prime opponent which includes a crazy VIP treatment of making the fight at 154. Errol Spence is getting annoying.

Both are under PBC so this is easy to made, so we don't know what's holding it up. Maybe it's all about the money?

Now the WBO is mandating Crawford to face Rocha. I just hope the WBA and IBF will do the same since Spence seems not serious about the WBC mandatory on Thurman. I really hope Spence gets ktfo so badly in his next fight, boxing is better without him.

Let's see about this one, I'm under the impression that this fight could easily be made since Crawford has no promotional ties and we have seen him and Oscar in public. So maybe he will accept this fight as compare to the Thurman vs Spence which might take some time to make as both are boxing diva and maybe wanted more money for that big fight.
1323  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Echoes of 2008 on: March 23, 2023, 12:32:48 AM
History doesn't repeat, but it does often rhyme.  Wink

However, bitcoin is slowly but surely breaking away from sharing the same patterns of United States publicly traded companies.

It's looking very good right now at 22k, amidst all the fire.
Yeah its breaking away from its traditional trend with US stocks. Notably its following trend with gold. I believe this is a sign that Bitcoin has been largely accepted by the world as at least a store of value, perhaps not as a currency yet.

Yeah, bitcoin becomes a store of value (SoV) or hedge against what is currently going on, i.e. banking crisis. So smart investors are looking for a safe haven, which could be Bitcoin on the top of the list or even Gold I must say or Stocks for those who know how to play.

So we will see, we've been in the pandemic and Bitcoin survived and it is one of the it's biggest test so far in it's young infancy.

And with the banking crisis around, I think we will all be the winner as individuals are looking for a place of security.
1324  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What is the Strangest Bet You Have Ever Had? on: March 20, 2023, 11:32:29 AM
I think me playing like baccarat when I was like 10 years old and against those street hustlers in our street. It's strange though because I'm not that tough kid or what, but that time, I'm really taking big bets from those individuals not just older or even that time adults already, but those guys are street hustlers and they can just say, "hey kid, are you cheating or something"? that's enough for them to get all the money that I won against them. Nevertheless, I just acted tough and was lucky that night, until someone whisper to me that my mom is already looking for me so we have to stop the game, LOL, what an experience growing up in the streets that time.
1325  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Stephen Fulton vs. Naoya Inoue | Unified WBC & WBO 122 lbs bout | May 7 on: March 20, 2023, 11:13:22 AM
Exactly. Bookies are still giving us some favors and we should thank this odds because they listed it this way, although it's somehow reasonable given that Inoue is not really a heavy favorite because Steph Fulton is still the champion here and has been on the weight class much longer while for Inoue, this is his first climb in his career and first time at 122. Inoue to win by a KO, count me in on this one.

It's not that bookies give us favors but that is really how it is supposed to be.

Bookies are weighed on their own set of factors on proving the odds, especially that option on the winning methods.

Still, I'm sure many bettors are still finding difficulty and it's hard to choose what those betting options are possible to happen.

That is correct, across all bookies, that will be the odds, no bookies will give you a different odds as gamblers play arbitrage. And it could be true as well that it's very hard to predict or bet on this one.

Reason why some are going to skip the fight because the odds are not worth it, or just bet on other boxing events.

But in any case, I think everyone wanted to see Inoue winning against Fulton and become a champion again.
1326  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: March 20, 2023, 10:50:37 AM
Good news for fans of "No Mercy" Gesta, he won against Jojo Diaz, judges score the fight in his favor, Alejandro Rochin (99-91) and Pat Russell (98-92), while the other judges, hehehe, maybe he is watching other fight because the score is somewhat questionable, Judge Pam Hayashida (97-93).

I just wonder though if Ryan Garcia fought Gesta, maybe there could be upsets as well, hehehe.

In any case, good for Gesta, his career can move on and most likely fight for another day. While for Diaz, no longer the hype on his name, probably this weight for his is too much, maybe it's better to go down to 130 lbs.

I watched the highlight of the fight, and it seems Gesta is a bit tired on the 4th round, aside from that, I felt that Gesta movement is a bit stiff even though he is moving from side to side pretty well.  The jobs helps Gesta in securing the fight, though it would be devastating for him if he was caught when he leans his head forward without any defense.  That should be one of the flaw Gesta need to fix on his next fight.  All in all, I think the fight is pretty close every round it is that Gesta jobs more than his opponent securing each round.

He seems to be tired yeah, I do agree, there were times that I think Jojo Diaz could have scored a knock down but Gesta just stay upright. So I don't think that this version will give problems to Ryan Garcia though.

In any case, Ryan make the right decision to skip this tune up and go straight directly with Tank Davis.

He needs his best version against Tank and maybe he thinks that fighting Gesta will not add anything for him in the table.
1327  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin 2023, Bullish or Bearish? on: March 19, 2023, 10:14:20 AM
I'm not saying bear and bull, but from 2022 we have seen a significant increase from bitcoin, I think bitcoin will close in price in the 30-40k$ range for this year.

For me that is still bear market when we hit $30,000 and up for this year. I mean in a bull run, the price is going up non-stop to the point that we are going to see $100,000 and more.

So still very bullish for me despite the fact the the market has recovered and might not see another lowest low for this year.

And it's good though, at least we are still on point to reach 6 digits in 2024/25 and not for this year because it will break the 4 year cycle that we are used to be seeing in bitcoins young history.
1328  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: March 19, 2023, 09:55:52 AM
Ok so Beterbiev vs Callum Smith has been ordered by the WBC next, although it's going to be a short 3 weeks negotiation as the ordered is up to April 11. If there are no contract between the two sides, then it will go on a purse bid.

So definitely we will see Beterbiev fight this year again. But we have to wait for it and it is obviously not Bivol which is the fighter that we wanted to see and for the unification of the belt. But Callum Smith might be a good opponent for him. We all know that he had a good title run, until he lost to Saul Alvarez and then he decided to move up to 175 and now has another crack for the belt against Beterbiev.

I think the manager of Callum is overestimating his boxer if they agree to close the deal against Beterbiev.  Why Beterbiev when they got a better chance against Bivol (though I am not saying Callum will win, just stating that I believe Beterbiev is a harder foe than Bivol).  We also have to consider that Callum Smith lost to Alvarez so I do not think that Callum Smith have a chance against Beterbiev.  It looks like this fight is a walk in the park for Beterbiev if the deal is sealed.

Maybe there's no opponent for Beterbiev in this division, and so far we only heard two knows, him and Bivol. And then right now it's Callum Smith who just move up to this division and never been tested.

But if he wishes to fight the monster in this division in Beterbiev then its going to be very hard fight for him. Maybe more difficult when he face Canelo as Beterbiev is heavy handed and can knock everyone in this division.


A good test though, if he upset Beterbiev then his career will surely hype up and money fight will come on his way, I'm pretty sure there are possibilities as he is also a good fighter and he will be tested once he challenges Arthur. Quite interesting if he will take that route and make his presence being felt in this division. A hard fight for him and, by the stats, Arthur got a huge advantage .

Will see if what will going to be the next interesting news about those potential next upcoming fight.

Yes, Callum lost to Canelo before, but he was able to revived his career by moving up one higher division in 175 lbs. And I thought that it will be Buatsi that Beterbiev is eyeing or is it Bivol?

And I have look at the rankings and Callum is rated number 1 by WBC and WBO so I guess it's a good fight base on paper as he is on the top of the governing body. Now, it's just the question on whether he has what it takes to make an upset here.
1329  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Stephen Fulton vs. Naoya Inoue | Unified WBC & WBO 122 lbs bout | May 7 on: March 19, 2023, 09:24:29 AM
As per Inoue:

Quote
“My next goal is to move up in weight and once again become world champion,” Inoue noted of his upcoming pound-for-pound showdown with the unbeaten Philadelphia native. “I’m sure it will be the biggest challenge for me so far, since I will have to deal with issues related to my own physical frame.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/inoue-my-next-goal-again-become-world-champ-im-sure-it-biggest-challenge-me--173180

So he is taking this fight very serious and think that this is the biggest challenge for him. Because this is the first time that he will go up in weight and will be against the champion in Fulton. Good to hear that he is still down to earth and never talk trash his opponents and even doubting if he can deal with the moving up in weight at 122 lbs. Because we are all saying that not much of a different in weight and it could really benefit him as he don't need to weight drain. But he is questioning himself. Nevertheless, his power though, might be enough to stop Fulton later in the fight.

actually, there's no need of trash talking to sell out the fight. inoue's name is already popular in the boxing community. and from the looks of it, inoue is indeed taking this seriously, which is actually good as he will prepare for this fight and not take for granted about fulton's capability.. he is the challenger but the odds are in favour of him. if you will check out the odds in the winning method betting line, seems you will get a very good payout. but you can always check the combos, as the odds are going up until 81x, if you're lucky.



He doesn't trash talk because of the language barrier and probably their culture as well. They still need to sell the fight though, regardless if who is the favorite and who is not. It's good that he has established his name in the US soil that's why he is recognizable, because if he is just another Japanese fighter then we might not want to watch it.

Odds are really enticing for Fulton, but I don't know if he has the tools, maybe but it's going to be a big risk for us.
1330  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Tank Davis vs. Ryan Garcia betting and discussion (May, 2023) on: March 19, 2023, 08:50:25 AM
Yes, Tank Davis is the favorite but I think forum users also might go for Garcia by an upset.

Because we all know that this two can put each other on the canvass.

There are some who believe that Ryan Garcia can win this fight. It's common to see the favorites have a lot of supporters, but we can never know for sure. Both fighters are KO artists, so anything can happen in the ring. As long as both are preparing well for this fight, it will be unpredictable.

My advice is to just enjoy the fight, watch it, and don't forget to bet.

However, if you are looking for very attractive betting odds, then the only way to go is to bet on Ryan Garcia.

Yeah, anything can happen in a fight, of course, Ryan has more supporters but I think Davis too has die hard fans that are going to bet on him and watch  this fight live.

So anything goes for this two, and again, that one punch can be so decisive in this fight. Specially if the fight is so close, and the one that can score a knockdown will have the advantage if this goes to the judges scorecard.

Very unpredictable indeed but that's what make this fight very exciting.
1331  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: March 18, 2023, 08:26:58 PM
^ Not sure if you have read that the Zurdo vs Ramirez has been scratch already, because Ramirez comes in over the weight limit and so Golden Boy decided not to push for it because it's going to be hard for Zurdo to reach the weight limit as he is above 180 lbs in 2 weigh-ins.

So Gesta vs Jojo Diaz is relegated to the top and now the main event.

Gesta have a schedule fight with Ryan Garcia in a headline, but Ryan pulled out, but the good thing is Gesta was build the headline in this fight.
1332  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: I think that there are Dark secrets in every Successful Business on: March 18, 2023, 08:10:53 PM
Today I was reading some most successful businessman and other such successful people that are millionaires and also billionaires like Bill gate, Mark Zuckerberg and Other Gamblers that became millionaires because of betting.
My point is that Normal people see only their Success but they do not know that How much dark secrets are behind this.
I want to tell you a story of Successful Businessman in country who is Real Estate businessman and Rich people love to Invest in their housing Schemes. But He Gets access to most valuable land whom he gets it by hook or crook. My mean he Is partially a landlord and he has Done high damage to the poor people and they have lost their homes.
And Normal people do not know these kind of Secrets behind all of this and also on Gambling thing where a very minority of people gets succeeded.
I know that a lot of OP will not agree with me and let's see what are your opinions.

Well what we know is that there are successful business who just buy their competition or at least offer them money, and in business parlance this is acquisition or merger.

Not sure if this is a dark secret from successful business or entities.

I guess everyone who has ambitions might resort to some "dark secrets", but maybe it will remain secrets though, unless someone close to them reveal it to the public.
1333  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Tank Davis vs. Ryan Garcia betting and discussion (May, 2023) on: March 18, 2023, 12:11:37 PM

Tank Davis also mentioned in interviews that Ryan has earn his place already and he deserved to face him. (Whatever he means by that, it's open for interpreration), maybe moving forward he is going to be selective of his opponents or whoever he wants to face for the money.

Maybe he thinks he is the king and Ryan Garcia is just the top challenger for him. However, that's still underestimating his opponent because despite both being champs, Davis sees himself on a higher level. I hope Ryan Garcia will prove Davis wrong and show him that his current thoughts are incorrect.

Probably he thinks that both of them are in the top of the division although they don't really have the belt since Haney has everything under his waist. But as far as being the biggest crowd drawer in the 135 lbs, yeah, this two are on top.

So props for them to set up this fight when they are still in their prime, not when they are old and the hype are gone already.

Both are hungry and going to put their 0 on the line.

this is the good thing about this fight, both wanted this fight especially for garcia. however, don't know what will happen next if garcia loses to davis. his career may be put on hold and look for other top boxers to fight with.
in any case, i can understand if garcia is the underdog here. most forum users are also rooting for davis to win this fight.

He might continue his career to 140 lbs, but the might might not be the same as when he doesn't have any losses. And someone is really going to be exposed in this fight, whether just a hype or be the next cash cow in boxing.

Yes, Tank Davis is the favorite but I think forum users also might go for Garcia by an upset.

Because we all know that this two can put each other on the canvass.
1334  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: March 17, 2023, 09:14:46 PM
And so WBC ordered a fight between Ugas and Barrios for the interim belt. Ugas is rank 2, while Barrios is rank 5. Thurman is rank 1 and will be fighting the champion in Spence, however it's 154 lbs.

So not sure why WBC ordered such fight for the interim belt, maybe they know that Spence will go up in weight if he wins against Thurman. On the other hand, Barrios has just like 2 fights in this division, lost to Thurman and then won against a unknown boxer. There is also rank 3 and 4 boxers in their organization, but they were bypass by Mario here, and then Ugas who did lost to Spence in his last fight.

In my case, I'm not also sure why these governing bodies keep on ordering such fights for the interim belts to have interim champs when in-fact they are not giving the champions a mandatory title defense especially in the welterweight. They should just focus on giving the existing champions a mandatory title defense because the division is already stacked up at the moment, we have lots of good boxers that is not yet given a chance to be a champion because they are just letting the title holders to keep the belts for a long time while ducking some fights. And now another fight for an interim belt? That's just nonsense, IMO.

It's all for the money I guess, and we have heard boxing corruptions, and that they are paid by the promotions not to force this boxers for mandatory and so they created this so called interim belts for the meantime. But the regular champion fight another boxer, for the same reason, money as well because the champion vs mandatory might not bring enough money to the promoters and their network affiliations. I know, it's non-sense, but they have built this already and it's just like the norm now for this 4 boxing organizations.
1335  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing]: Caleb Plant vs David Benavidez on: March 17, 2023, 12:56:12 PM
And for David's perspective towards Plant, it's either he is indeed underestimating the latter just because he failed on his campaign towards Canelo or David was just messing around and playing some mind games with him to distract him from his plans. But that moves may have a consequence because the way I see it, Plant is serious this time and David might be a victim.

Hard to say, maybe mind games, or personal thing for him as we have seen videos of their confrontation years ago. And it seems the Benavidez are hell bent on getting their revenge on Caleb. But the thing is that Caleb saw this as just their antics and so he will be more prepared for this fight just to make sure to shut the mouth of David and his father.

Well, Benavidez might get furious on that note because Caleb is just taking their words lightly when in-fact Benavidez's side are serious about it and it's not just mind game antics for them or trying to sell the fight even more. On the other hand, at least Caleb Plant is calm enough about it and didn't let David and his father destroy his plan, that is to have a rematch against Canelo.

Caleb seems to be really confident going into this fight, and him and his new trainer could be a good partnership. Although it is just one fight, maybe it was just enough for Caleb to regain his power and confidence after a lost to Canelo.

But we all know that the power belongs to David Benavidez, but he shouldn't be too aggressive or bring his hands down as Caleb might be preparing for a good counter just like what he did to Anthony Direll. Just waiting for David to make that one mistake.
1336  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Canelo Alvarez vs John Ryder - May 6th in Mexico on: March 17, 2023, 11:57:30 AM
Is anyone surprised Canelo is still only 32 years old? For some reason I thought he was older, having had so many big high profile fights over so many years.

It is interesting that Canelo vs Ryder is slated for mexico rather than las vegas, which has long been billed as the "fight capital of the world".

Will this become a trend where many professional athletes will try to hold events outside of the united states, for whatever reason.

Well, not really. It's just that we feel he's old enough because we keep on hearing his name and certainly that is also connected to a big fights in the past years and then that three fights against GGG really gave us an impression that their age is not that far but in reality, GGG was just way ahead compared Canelo.

That said, Canelo still have at least 5-7 years of his prime to reign as a champion and be viewed as a dangerous boxer in the industry. So, I guess that also means that we will still see some more fights of Canelo in the coming years considering that there's many boxer that is calling him and that will grow in numbers as he gets older.

Yes and he could really started very early but we only get a glimpse of Canelo when Oscar pitted him against Floyd Mayweather. And then we see how Canelo developed after that to become the next cash cow in boxing.

So there's a lot of time ahead of him, although he has hand injuries, and it could be broken again. But still he is still at the prime years and even says that he  can fight 3 times a year.
1337  Economy / Speculation / Re: 26k mark finally breached on: March 17, 2023, 11:33:51 AM
Wow, the price changes are currently really violent in the last few days. It's constantly up and down and as it looks today, the 27k mark could easily be cracked. I wouldn't be surprised if it continues like this for the next few days. Surely we will experience another dip, but the possibility of reaching 30k this month seems to be there. So far, it doesn't look like a real bull run to me, but it doesn't look like a bear trap either, but more like a market recovery. I'm really excited to see how it goes over the next few days.  Tongue


Source: https://coinmarketcap.com/

At least though the biggest barrier now has been breach which is $25k, As to where the price will be in this latest mini bull run, we really don't know. The next stop should be probably in the $28,000 mark and after that the next round numbers which is $30,000.

The thing with this round numbers is that when it is broken, it's going to be an easy sail after that.

But as others said, no need to be excited, still very early this month, many things can happen and we can only hope that we will continue this rally up to $30,000 and see how it goes.
1338  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Tank Davis vs. Ryan Garcia betting and discussion (May, 2023) on: March 16, 2023, 09:42:02 PM

Tank Davis also mentioned in interviews that Ryan has earn his place already and he deserved to face him. (Whatever he means by that, it's open for interpreration), maybe moving forward he is going to be selective of his opponents or whoever he wants to face for the money.

Maybe he thinks he is the king and Ryan Garcia is just the top challenger for him. However, that's still underestimating his opponent because despite both being champs, Davis sees himself on a higher level. I hope Ryan Garcia will prove Davis wrong and show him that his current thoughts are incorrect.

Probably he thinks that both of them are in the top of the division although they don't really have the belt since Haney has everything under his waist. But as far as being the biggest crowd drawer in the 135 lbs, yeah, this two are on top.

So props for them to set up this fight when they are still in their prime, not when they are old and the hype are gone already.

Both are hungry and going to put their 0 on the line.
1339  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Stephen Fulton vs. Naoya Inoue - WBC and WBO 122 lbs bout - May on: March 16, 2023, 09:27:40 PM
This is a good thing because Inoue will always look for a good challenge, and I guess Fulton here has the same thoughts. That's why he chose to stay for a while to face the monster. He knows what is at stake in this fight; a win here will make him a popular boxer as nobody is really talking about him, so the world will know about Fulton.
And taking into account what we have heard of Fulton it seems that is precisely what he wants, while boxers fight to earn money that does not mean they cannot have other motivations from time to time, Fulton is disappointed by the lack of popularity he has and he probably sees in Inoue a huge chance for him to change this, after all if he can defeat one of the most dominant boxers we have now, that will surely boost his career and his fame.
Climbing up the ladder is something a very common target or goal of a certain boxer specially into his career.There are really just that boxers who do have that notable achievements and that what makes
them popular and despite of being underdog or challenger but still he do ends up on being supported mainly by the masses which it is really indeed surprising. Stepping up on higher or lower division and tending
to dominate that then it would really be a milestone for any challenger out there.Its good that he decided to step up since he had been able to reach up that undisputed title on
his recent division and now stepping up would be the only path to take.,

That's what I also read about, Fulton wanted to fight Inoue and he is not afraid even to travel just to face him. So the extra motivation is that he wants to be the first boxer to give Inoue his lost and take that 0. And that's what we love about fighters like Fulton, it's not that overconfident or what, but they want to test themselves against the best. So instead of moving up to another weight class, he decided to stay, maybe just one last fight for him to defend his belt against Inoue and if ever he beats him, he will be recognized and respected.
1340  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Somethings are unique and different Royse777 did today. on: March 16, 2023, 09:14:23 PM
It's business though, if you can absorb those signature participants from CM then it's good for you as your project will get a lot of good quality posters. So that's not something unique and different here, even if offline business this is being practice.

So not sure what you are trying to say here as if this hasn't been done before.

Most of the participants of CM in it's beginning came from Bitmixer.io when it closes, how do I know? because I was part of Bitmixer.io and when it closes, majority of the participants moved to Chipmixer. You can check Chipmixer spreadsheet for that.
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