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2601  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmain Launches the New Antminer B3 Miner on: April 27, 2018, 10:31:12 PM

Well, one thing may be gotten out of this algo coin based on the A.I. Miner that Bitmain has had out for months...what comes first? The algo or the ASIC?

Does making a coin and having an ASIC to pump it (the investment in hardware) cause the price to reflect the amount of investment by all in this new algo?

or

Do you need the algo to be established (open source maybe?) without corporate influences and then supercharge it maybe with an ASIC later down the line?

There is a chance this coin could simply blow up in difficulty and have no value or use (much like Paycoin pos coin scam)

or

depending on how and what use and how fair the coin launch is (I'm unsure just saying) perhaps they can pull this off in some manner

I've no idea..just the 2 possibilities that come to mind
2602  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Litecoin - a lite version of Bitcoin. Launched! on: April 27, 2018, 10:26:35 PM
Here it is interesting to me, with all growth of the market what price can be expected at the best with a current of circumstances. I think it there will be a big pump in very fast future.  Smiley
I think that there will be a pump, but not very fast. The market will recover gradually. Lightcoin is a promising coin and will remain in the top coinmarketcap.


I"m waiting for mt. gox to dump their moved coins...IF they dump it ... like last time ...in an obvious manner to dump the price of the market ..we will know they are

playing short games with the price etc...and are getting some on the side off of when...IF they were to move that 141 million coin correctly it should not have that

much of an effect if the price is going up some...so we will see I guess

edit: this is in relation to LTC....if BTC dumps...so does LTC unfortunately ...just saying...

2603  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Sia - Decentralized Storage on: April 27, 2018, 06:36:19 PM
any information for this pump?
Yeah, I wonder what happened. Maybe a listing on Bithumb?

knc will be listed,so does sc?

Even today also many coins are down but SC is in green. Anyone knows what is the exact reason for this pump?

Is it just pumped without any reason or it is moving up with some solid reasons.

I'm a long time investor in this coin and missed to sell when it was an all-time high. I didn't follow up this coin for a long time but just holing all my investment.

I think crypto hedge funds are slowly but surely stocking up on the quality coins with long term viable products with sensible business plans and revenue models. Sia is one of only a handful of legal securities in crypto with a great revenue model in siafunds that will attract institutional money.
Coin burning scheduled for April 29. 47.99% of total supply will be burnt and"Later this week, we will follow up with a blog post that details our development roadmap for the year."



I hear what you are saying...but I was told it was "false news' ...if the above is about Siacoin...I've heard nothing of note about such a 'burning' ?
2604  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LSK] Lisk | Blockchain Application Platform for JavaScript Developers on: April 27, 2018, 04:55:14 AM
As our network continues to expand, we need to ensure best security practices support its development. We have decided to cease hosting the online versions of #Lisk Hub and Lisk Nano. Read more on our decision below:








https://blog.lisk.io/lisk-hub-security-update-c58af48e3025



https://twitter.com/LiskHQ/status/989523422383362049

that is all well and good but I've never gotten LISK Nano on the Desktop to work with Window 10

just saying
2605  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Stop Crying about Crypto! on: April 27, 2018, 04:47:13 AM
well...if we are talking crying jag's here...

yeah, the L3+'s are currently making me $1.94 USD per day.....LIVING THE DREAM.....so when mining comes to an end (maybe) likely I will never

play the game of 'crypto for miners' again....in that I have not A silly' job I can splurge fiat towards miners...spending crypto

and watching the particular crypto spike 3x to 6x in the value by the time the machine arrives...is not the way to play this...

got a job/income, not retired...go for it ...its a 'toy' would likely get spent out of wage slave boredom anyway so why not?

sell some stuff in the garage or attic on eBay...you'd likely die with if you did not get a B3 miner...sure...

living off crypto and retired...er....the 'glamor' of miners have lost their luster w/o the job or sell stuff angle now...just saying

if there is NO WAY to recoup the crypto (hell, I'd stop eating, bathing, etc if I could..hate spending crypto to live on)

so the constant dilemma ....don't want to work ....like I can retire on crypto stuff 3 years early...but hate spending the Altcoin stash

Lazy vs Greed...this should be an interesting dynamic for my retirement


so hell no on any new equipment for my crypto stash....without mining the stash will have a damn hard time getting filled!,

with the above considerations...likely I'd have to get beat over the head even to buy equip NOW that did work fine

last  year....my whole viewpoint is now skewed

so yeah, crying that crypto scrypt-pow mining seems to be hitting the skids...

guess it is pos coin altcoins and masternodes if I want to diddle with anything in the future







2606  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmain Launches the New Antminer B3 Miner on: April 27, 2018, 04:36:35 AM
rolled the dice, bought 10. Fingers crossed


Jeez....big balls....big balls indeed....(go big or go home is your motto I guess)

hope I'm wrong about this coin and B3 miner...any info on if Bitmain is going to at least try to make this a legit/fair coin with some hooks?

Would be a nice change from me beating them up every other day...

anyway, good luck...more guts than I got on these particular units

2607  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 26, 2018, 10:25:26 PM
Must be time to move some more Gox coins

Yeah, this is just about the time the mt. gox trustee 'panic dumps' like a 12-year-old child.....wait for it.....

2608  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Sia - Decentralized Storage on: April 26, 2018, 10:24:24 PM

I know the OLD estimate on the Sia-Tech Units we're:

Obelisk SC-1 July 1st, 2018

Decred (I think it was) Sept 1st 2018?


Has the estimates changed? What is the 'current' guess as 'hoped for' by Sia-Tech?


thanks, just trying to keep up

brad


Those who will run the obelisks will ROI never at this price, but, my logic is optimistic
SC will gain more value to help the Obelisk miners too


I don't think I will EVER ROI ..BUT at my mining tax rate with state taxes etc and the 25% full equip deduction off gross the next year....it would be nice to know

WHEN they think the units are LIKELY to ship (again, I heard they were going to beat the July 1st deadline for the SC-1's)

Anyway, would be nice to know...I figure that IF I can make around 40% of the purchase price back after electric...with the taxes I'd pay anyway and the equip

deduction off of taxes paid off gross 25% in one year...I COULD MAYBE salvage my ego and call it a WASH in USD...as to the BTC I paid back in the day ...er no..way

that is gonna happen ..unless BTC goes Tulips and Siacoin replaces BTC (I crack myself up)

anyway, if no one knows..it means Sia-Tech is sweating the original deadlines...which makes even my 'modest' above attempts at 'ego protection' doubtful Sad
2609  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Sia - Decentralized Storage on: April 26, 2018, 07:16:10 PM

I know the OLD estimate on the Sia-Tech Units we're:

Obelisk SC-1 July 1st, 2018

Decred (I think it was) Sept 1st 2018?


Has the estimates changed? What is the 'current' guess as 'hoped for' by Sia-Tech?


thanks, just trying to keep up

brad
2610  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmain Launches the New Antminer B3 Miner on: April 26, 2018, 04:52:38 AM
a bitmain baked coin. seems like a very decentralized coin  Roll Eyes

To be fair, they purposely allowed 1 miner per account and ship globally to decentralize it. No one wants the risk of a 51% attack to occur.

We will see, but you have a point there...
2611  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmain Launches the New Antminer B3 Miner on: April 26, 2018, 03:16:46 AM
Only to china ,this is not good.
Not true, i bought one, I live in US ... Bitmain allowing only 1 miner per buyer with first batch

First lets have a look here https://gist.github.com/xiphon/9df7e5af59c9ff50727596a15b95ab41. It appears that coins are being mined right now to two addresses (Bitmain maybe?). We can also see that average block time is ~30 seconds and block reward is 412.5 BTM. Assuming that Bitmain will only sell 2500 Antminer B3 and no one will mine except for those B3s then each B3 will make about 475.2 BTM per day. These are assumptions only so don't quote me on this.

I don't see anyone buying these unless they're supporting or investing in Bytom.

So I read that first couple days of mining will be airdropped to Bytom Wallet holders ...
http://news.8btc.com/bytom-mainnet-launched-and-antminer-b3-for-btm-mining-released

Batch 1 is said to be 2500 units. Guy in link on redditt ( https://www.reddit.com/r/BytomBlockchain/comments/8elnao/all_new_antminer_b3_to_mine_bytom/ )
says Github appears to show "Block time: 150 seconds (2.5 minutes) Block reward: 412.5 BTM" ... so roughly 237600 BTM a day...

If that is divided by 2500 units running each day, that's about 95 BTM per miner per day (BTM around $.90 - $1.00) , so $80-90 Revenue per day to start out for first batch miners?
We'll see how it plays out


I'm very excited to see how this miner will do specially because Bitmain is a partner of Bytom. Maybe they will not pre-mine coins or cause a network congestion like they did with other coins. Will see next week.

MAYBE this is true....with the coin announcement and miner announcement on the same day and the miner available for sale the day after that and you get your B3 miner

next week...yeah, I could see where pre-mining the coin...might be one thing, that won't happen at Bitmain's end....but not sure I'd count on it...hard to see how they

could pull off that part however...on the other hand...if the protocol of this coin is 'weak' ie it has NO real innovation besides just a 'Bitmain creation' it will go the way of

the other 'corporate coin' PAYCOIN and a lot of folks will be left holding the bag, except Bitmain, which will simply NOT sell the equipment anymore...or in the x11 miner

D3 case..sell it for a low price to the Newbies and no matter what the electric (unless free) will NEVER ROI, even at the D3 reduced price, indeed with Summer coming,

even with FREE electric it still may not ROI, because you'd have to cool the beast....yep ...if the coin works, bitmain wins, if the coin doesn't work, they still win, either

way this again is 'classic monopoly' no risk if you control the market and production ..only a possible upside if it works...


This isn't how business works.  You can't say there is no risk.  They have to pay for the design and engineering, research, board production, shipping, and customer service.  Its not free for them to make a miner.  If they sell 3000 units and a coin fails, that is a lot of time and effort expended for a one-time product.  I guarantee you where they make the most money is selling S9's and L3s.  The product is already designed, they just need to manufacture more and sell them.  They don't control the market and production.  There are competitors.

yep agree with it all but your point there are competitors..none of any note (so far number of unit wise)...the batch sizes are like 1 run compared to bitmains up to 15k of units...for

not an untypical batch and shipping run..thus everything you say is true..but I say it is currently

at 85-90% of all ASIC's of any flavor....a MONOPOLY (look up how it works and kills the systems a monopoly tries to control) so sure ..they are doing what you would expect a

monopoly would do, does not make it right..and it does not make it right they are not being called on such games (great firmware broke scam of 2017) because of the market

for crypto-related businesses is so small and even smaller in the equipment area...the are NOT being called on such...

So you seem to be going out of your way to ignore that major fact...that they are a monopoly on ASIC's and with BCH and such...that to me means it is doomed to screw us

in matters way beyond just a few bucks...it could very well, for example, kill all scrypt-pow mining just from the centralization of power and data hall mining games...

So I call them an unethical monopoly even if a profitable business...but again, monopolies exploit the environment they exist in ...till everyone leaves...finding it an unfair marketplace...

There ARE legit businesses that have large market share ...and go for the long-term profits and don't play these games...Bitmain plays the game, lilke they expect all of

crypto to blow up next week as a ponzi...and their business practices of a 'quick buck' reflect that...again they are a monopoly and expanding their reach (now this new coin)

have most if not almost all ASIC of any flavor market share..has to conservatively in units alone...way above 85%....and are acting irresponsible and unethical and it will all come home to

roost..probably taking and dooming scyrpt-pow mining along with it...Bitmain itself will be fine...take the money and run...but capitalism is supposed to have 'fair playground rules' on this

kinda thing...and there are no regulators and the laws in both China and the USA are not being enforced in any way.
  
Thus if not willing to look into this....as it is not 'in their words' 'worth their time (small number of folk involved) ...

So it will be like all things crypto ..it will work..till it doesn't work  and there

will be much hand-wringing and wailing of Bitmain ripoff...so I expect a repeat of the Paycoin scam days..only with Bitmain in China and again regulators in China and the USA

not really interested in checking this behavior...Bitmain and Jihan Wu will most likely get away with this shakedown/monopoly/etc and make out like bandits!

But monopolies have consequences..the leading one ...is people will NOT play in that playground anymore...thus I expect more defections to masternodes and

POS coins etc. This will make little difference to Bitmain..especially if NOW they have decided to make "Botique Specialty 1 Coin Miners", where they also

control the crypto-coin being made!

Bitmain: Evil is a calling, not a hobby! (tm: Bitmain)


[/quote]


With not many, if any?  https://twitter.com/Inno_Miner/status/975915999915421697   

Bro, I'd say plenty of non-bitmain scrypt miners hit the market
[/quote]


Well, in scrypt-pow miners a typical L3+ run used to be 15,000 units, every 10 days or so, that was for each batch...the competitors total batch for the entire run

for 3 months was like 5k or so ..in a lot of instances...thus Bitmain does NOT have competitors for 2 reasons 1) unfair advantage as a monopoly already, so hard

to get a leg up 2) being that big means you can scale up quickly and 3) like in innsilicon's case o4 a scrypt-pow miner from Halong...as soon as your competitor

ships you can gut your prices to kill their small batch shipping and make their whole effort look lame in comparison...then their batch is over you can just kick

out more units and raise the prices...nothing wrong in theroy on how you do this with business UNLESS you are a monopoly and in extreme overkill on all this .which IMHO is true...

Monopolies have LOTS of advantages....thus you will havde less and less chance of 'legit' competition as a threat the longer Bitmain gets away with these stunts

again, look up monopolies, economy of scale, price dumping, and expanding to control the whole market from production thru consumer products...its how a

monopoly rolls ...and in Bitmain's case they do it very, very well...









2612  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [DEAD] GARLICOIN - Reddit's Garlic Bread Worshiping Currency on: April 25, 2018, 10:00:51 PM
It makes sense to just lock the thread and point to the other thread if one doesn't want to deal with it. Labeling the thread Dead will just confuse people.

Official Thread
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2893116.0

Actually, that is the ONLY other garlicoin thread...just saying...
2613  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmain Launches the New Antminer B3 Miner on: April 25, 2018, 09:57:56 PM
IME with buying new bitmain miners (with the exception of the E3) the price always drops dramatically.  I bought into the A3s paid 2500 for first 980 for the second and now they are 520 (perhaps the fork threat is causing this) but the point is, buying in at the beginning and hoping ROI is fairly difficult to achieve for me so far.  I am getting close to A3 ROI after 2 mos, but if I had to do it again, I'd prolly wait until batch 2.

In fairness to bitmain, they do compensate with extremely generous coupons, that I appreciate.

There is a theory floating around, make with it what you will, that Bitmain (with the coupons) is cleaning out 'old stock' mainly scrypt-pow miners and a new miner at

the rumored hash of 1.5gh and 400 watts will be announced for fall 2018 delivery (pre-orders in June after a majority of coupons expire)...thus they will do what they

did last time..hash the NEW equipment themselves (like they did on the delivery gap on L3+'s from Nov 2017 to March 2018) being the main source of difficulty increase...

The difficulty for LTC increased almost 100% ..with not many if any, pow-scrypt miners hitting the world from Jan 2018 to Mar 2018...and the difficulty for LTC DOUBLED...

https://bitcoinwisdom.com/litecoin/difficulty

Many of us expect the same game to be played if these miners exist, the announcement of the new 1.5gh 400w scrypt-pow miners for the delivery 1st week of 0ct 2018,

and meanwhile, Bitmain mines the first units themselves in their own data halls and again drives up LTC difficulty (or other crypto difficulties) up 100%

rinse/wash/repeat

Bitmain: evil is what we do and we do it well! (tm bitmain)



2614  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [DEAD] GARLICOIN - Reddit's Garlic Bread Worshiping Currency on: April 25, 2018, 07:55:33 PM
Y'know, the only reason I keep being reminded of this thread is because people keep bumping it. Tongue

How [FUNNY]. Tongue

Is there an equiv thread other than the announcement thread?

2615  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmain Launches the New Antminer B3 Miner on: April 25, 2018, 06:03:51 PM
Only to china ,this is not good.
Not true, i bought one, I live in US ... Bitmain allowing only 1 miner per buyer with first batch

First lets have a look here https://gist.github.com/xiphon/9df7e5af59c9ff50727596a15b95ab41. It appears that coins are being mined right now to two addresses (Bitmain maybe?). We can also see that average block time is ~30 seconds and block reward is 412.5 BTM. Assuming that Bitmain will only sell 2500 Antminer B3 and no one will mine except for those B3s then each B3 will make about 475.2 BTM per day. These are assumptions only so don't quote me on this.

I don't see anyone buying these unless they're supporting or investing in Bytom.

So I read that first couple days of mining will be airdropped to Bytom Wallet holders ...
http://news.8btc.com/bytom-mainnet-launched-and-antminer-b3-for-btm-mining-released

Batch 1 is said to be 2500 units. Guy in link on redditt ( https://www.reddit.com/r/BytomBlockchain/comments/8elnao/all_new_antminer_b3_to_mine_bytom/ )
says Github appears to show "Block time: 150 seconds (2.5 minutes) Block reward: 412.5 BTM" ... so roughly 237600 BTM a day...

If that is divided by 2500 units running each day, that's about 95 BTM per miner per day (BTM around $.90 - $1.00) , so $80-90 Revenue per day to start out for first batch miners?
We'll see how it plays out


I'm very excited to see how this miner will do specially because Bitmain is a partner of Bytom. Maybe they will not pre-mine coins or cause a network congestion like they did with other coins. Will see next week.

MAYBE this is true....with the coin announcement and miner announcement in the same day and the miner available for sale the day after that and you get your B3 miner

next week...yeah, I could see where pre-mining the coin...might be one thing, that won't happen at Bitmain's end....but not sure I'd count on it...hard to see how they

could pull off that part however...on the other hand...if the protocol of this coin is 'weak' ie it has NO real innovation besides just a 'Bitmain creation' it will go the way of

the other 'corporate coin' PAYCOIN and a lot of folk will be left holding the bag, except Bitmain, which will simply NOT sell the equipment anymore...or in the x11 miner

D3 case..sell it for a low price to the Newbies and no matter what the electric (unless free) will NEVER ROI, even at the D3 reduced price, indeed with Summer coming,

even with FREE electric it still may not ROI, because you'd have to cool the beast....yep ...if the coin works, bitmain wins, if the coin don't work, they still win, either

way this again is 'classic monopoly' no risk if you control the market and production ..only a possible upside if it works..

2616  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 25, 2018, 05:56:44 PM
*breaking* ~ PayPal CEO calls Bitcoin a scam!  Shocked  wow is this even news?

yes as Paypal increased fees. Sour losers.

For those who looking for the news link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5655419/Bitcoin-SCAM-founding-PayPal-CEO-Bill-Harris-claims.html . Thanks me later. Time to sell my bitcoins.

And yet the former PayPal COO David Sacks believes something completely different  Wink

https://cointelegraph.com/news/paypal-ex-coo-bitcoin-crypto-fulfilling-our-original-vision

yeah, this kinda FUD then the counter FUD sells lots of advertising on web pages and in the press, it is the usual pattern, Bitcoin surges 'quickly' and then 'supposed' major

finance types of the traditional sort come out with the usual FUD, rinse/wash/repeat

I notice though FEW do so on the 'run-up in price' they ALWAYS jump in on any 'brief sideways' in price or resistance...this is a classic example of this

just waiting for the 'usual' 'this exchange has problems FUD' to be the next part of this 'supposed news'

this pattern is 'so locked in' I don't even notice much anymore...if we pump again past 10k expect the 'intensity' of the FUD to increase proportionally is what I'd expect
2617  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 25, 2018, 04:33:17 AM
Up your fashions


God! I'm into Bitcoin..but even my nerdy self-has limits...I imagine for xmas friends and family will flood me with these...(the horror!)

2618  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [DEAD] GARLICOIN - Reddit's Garlic Bread Worshiping Currency on: April 25, 2018, 04:28:53 AM
I see the thread comes up as [DEAD] now? Has it always been that way or was I too dense to notice?

The thread name changed two or three days ago. I also wonder what this has to do with. There was no news of the end of the project.

The thread may be DEAD in that it no longer has a MODERATOR?

Not sure how that works..

2619  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmain Launches the New Antminer B3 Miner on: April 25, 2018, 04:24:59 AM
I just bought one.  We'll see how this goes.  I at least got to use my $420 coupon, so it was only a bit over $2k all said and done.  This all depends on how many they are going to sell.  Considering they limited it to 1 per person, hopefully not a ton.  If the 2,500 rumor is true, then that means around $100 per day with the current price.  If that was bullshit and they sell 10 times that, then it's like $10 a day.  Knowing my luck they'll sell a ton of them and the price of the coin will crash though.  One positive though is that the coin isn't going to fork, which is going to be a risk with a lot of new models that get released in the coming months.

Edit:  They just sold out, so at least that is promising.

I think you bring up the most important point.  How many will Bitmain sell in batch 2, 3 & 4.  With the A3 (batch 1 was $2375, batch 2&3 = $930, batch 4 = $520) They dropped the batch 2 price by more than half for a 40 day later delivery.  

Think I am gonna wait for a batch 2 or 3 on this one.  It is tempting, but I know that they will follow with more b3 miners. Many more and probably at half the price.

Nope they are back up as of 11:24pm 4/24/18 CST USA

i'd not touch these myself..but then again they will probably make billions on this and the protocol as they have with BCH etc..what do I know Sad

edit: IMHO by JUNE 30th, 2018 ..they will be going for ...wait for it....$855 lol Smiley


2620  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [DEAD] GARLICOIN - Reddit's Garlic Bread Worshiping Currency on: April 24, 2018, 09:40:28 PM


I see the thread comes up as [DEAD] now? Has it always been that way or was I too dense to notice?

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