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301  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A Public Plea to Bitcoin Developers and Supporters alike on: June 22, 2012, 01:33:39 PM
The difference here actually being that it is impossible to alter the production rate of bitcoins.

With oil/gold/anything else, capital investment can be used to raise productivity or fund innovation to raise production.  With bitcoins it cannot.

The best you can do is tip the constant production in your favour, you get more of that fixed pie; which is what BFL are selling.  When ASIC/FPGA miners push the total hash rate up (which is great for users, the blockchain is more secure) one of two things will then happen:

  • The unprofitable GPU miners will give up; very slightly (relative to the new order of magnitude higher rate) lower the total hashing power of the network.  This will make very little difference to ASIC miners, since they will already be taking the lions share of the block rewards.
  • The unprofitable GPU miners will upgrade to ASICs.  This will tip the reward ratio back to where it was.

In either of these cases, the end point is the start point just with a considerably more secure blockchain and a load of money in BFL's pocket.

I don't envy the miners; they're in a horrendous position.  They all start mining with CPUs.  Then one of them invents GPU mining; any CPU miner who doesn't upgrade instantly finds their share of the pie reduced to minuscule proportions therefore everyone becomes a GPU miner, and they have to invest in the equipment to do it.  Then one of them invents ASIC mining; any miner who doesn't upgrade instantly finds their share reduced to minuscule proportions therefore everyone becomes an ASIC miner.  Then one of them invents quantum mining...

Miners are doomed to constantly play catch up with the other miners, who are inventing better technologies.  It's no fun for them, but that is the nature of a free market -- innovate or die.

Bitcoin's peculiarities mean that the rewards for innovation accrue to the innovator, not the miner.  BFL are the ones who will profit from this, not the miners.  And there is nothing wrong with that, because for the rest of us, we see ever increasing efficiencies -- and more hashes per Watt means a more secure blockchain for less energy expended.  Great.  This is about as far from destroying bitcoin as it is possible to be.  Bitcoin ends up stronger (for example: malicious bitcoin botnets will vanish pretty quickly).


What is malicious about a BTC botnet ?

Where is FPGA in your little story ?

Nice post, otherwise !
302  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [POLL] What has the most potential value density? on: June 22, 2012, 01:31:10 PM
Human slave ... Satoshi Nakamoto and Billy Gates Cheesy

Best of fiat and BTC !
303  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A Public Plea to Bitcoin Developers and Supporters alike on: June 22, 2012, 01:14:14 PM
If total oil production goes down by half, what happens to the price of oil? Bitcoin is no different.
Difference here being oil is burned and bitcoins aren't. You need new oil being produced, no one "needs" new bitcoins being mined - old bitcoins will be traded over and over again.

BTC are being hoarded by peoples like me and loads of others on the forum. Oil isn't Wink Price will get to $10 surely by Dec

I too think ASIC is good idea now I think about it.
304  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [Project X] PPS Mining Club: High Mining Rewards *REGISTRATION OPEN - One More* on: June 22, 2012, 11:57:30 AM
Just to check : still no website so only 24/7 miners ?

What about using this as backup pool ?

Thanks !
305  Other / Meta / Re: Unjust scammer tag on: June 22, 2012, 11:47:59 AM
Coins still there BTW ...


Scammer tag still there too.

Did I say I want it removed ?

Nope ...

Gotta enjoy the show Wink

You say that but 33 pages says otherwise.

I am quite confused.

What is your point ?
306  Other / Meta / Re: Unjust scammer tag on: June 22, 2012, 11:35:52 AM
Coins still there BTW ...


Scammer tag still there too.

Did I say I want it removed ?

Nope ...

Gotta enjoy the show Wink
307  Economy / Securities / Re: Red Star Mining - FPGA company - 1.81565MH/s@0.21739W per share to be paid on: June 22, 2012, 11:33:33 AM
Following motion created on the GLBSE website:

Continue buying more FPGA's that won't be delivered maybe until September or wait until October to order ASIC's. Yes: continue buying FPGA's No: wait until October to order ASIC's (Please ignore other motion with same date).

The Spartan6 chips in the FPGA's we have already bought have a hi resale value (once there put out of date by ASIC's).  I've seen individual Spartan6 chips selling for £350 each - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/XILINX-XC6SLX150T-2FGG676I-FPGA-SPARTAN-6-LXT-147K-676FGGBGA-/260963720288?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item3cc2a65c60#ht_500wt_1156 - and we have bought eight of them on two boards so we should get some money back on selling them once there out of date.  I've seen Spartan6 development boards going for £440 - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DIGILENT-410-178-BOARD-DEV-FPGA-ATLYS-SPARTAN-/251002775415?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item3a70ee6777#ht_500wt_1156

Good luck trying to sell them. I don't want to be harsh but I am interested if you can get them sold. Keep us updated !

308  Other / Meta / Re: Unjust scammer tag on: June 22, 2012, 11:31:04 AM
Coins still there BTW ...

309  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [ Bonus PPS Pool - 110% ] - Public Beta - WAITING LIST OPEN on: June 22, 2012, 11:28:21 AM
I send in stales/rejects... Has been working fine. under 1% Smiley
Note that KNOWN stales in cgminer do not count towards disabling a pool. It is only if there is a 3 minute run of unexpected rejects in a row without a single accepted share. Only an extreme situation would cause this. Using --no-submit-stale does not change the chance of hitting this either... As always I put a lot of thought into my defaults. Using --no-submit-stale only decreases the reported stale rate and occasionally you miss out on a possible share you would have gotten paid for due to laxity at the pool end so you lose nothing but stats by submitting them.

Defaults are perfect for me.

Don't use --no-submit-stale because there is a chance you might miss on a good share.

Don't use --no-pool-disable because I tested it and it works just fine on another pool which also had problems like Clipse's pool. It will stop talking if the pool freaks out and rejects all shares for like 5 minutes then it will come back up automatically when pool behaves again - I have this tested on LAN proxy too and it works extremely well FYI.

Thanks ckolivas !
310  Other / Meta / Re: Unjust scammer tag on: June 21, 2012, 11:16:46 PM
I have OCD so it might be nice if you guys can get me that -10 rating.

-4 is unlucky number for me Cheesy
311  Economy / Services / Re: Gigamining / Teramining on: June 21, 2012, 10:05:19 PM
Somehow I get the picture of bulanula just being that kind of kid that stands behind/next to more popular others and shouts "Way to go, pal!", "You're the best, I always knew!" and "OMG, you're so awesome!" weirding everyone out. Including the people being praised, as they don't know/care who that guy is. Roll Eyes

Edit:
"Ponzi schemes" are usually called like this because they pay out interest from deposits. Gigamining currently does (partially) do this.

Wrong. It is part of my plan to be liked by more people and get my ignore button to normal levels again.

They call it the "shakaru effect" and I want some too instead of my current crappy "bulanula" effect.

Move on, nothing to see here.
312  Economy / Services / Re: Gigamining / Teramining on: June 21, 2012, 09:48:07 PM
It really is obvious in hindsight....wish I had seen it sooner. 

The only way Giga could get hurt on this is if difficulty plunged.....which seems preposterous with the coming technology changes. 

He went massively short on the value of hashes, and is gonna get PAID. 

GIGA has taken on significant risk and the profit, if any, he earns the the reward for combining capital and labor in his entrepreneurial endeavor.

There are still significant risk factors which he has not yet completely overcome, besides just difficulty plunging as you point out, so to presume he is going to get paid is not necessarily a correct assertion.

For example, the hardware could fail and the warrant either not be effective or BFL could fail to perform on it.

But there are other larger risks that I can see.

He has already taken in at least $200k from the bonds issued four boxes so far $60k so $140k in his pocket minus the ponzi payments over the last few months, the profit has already been made in his pocket/BTC wallet with no risk as it was other peoples money who paid for it all..

I have to agree with this.

Gigavps is a freakin genius Wink

gigavps, may I ask what your tested standard IQ is ? Must be over 9000 !

Stop being jellyfish about it guys, this dude rocks hard just like pirateat40 !

Best of luck giga !
313  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [POLL] What has the most potential value density? on: June 21, 2012, 08:24:31 PM
I chose Bitcoin first, because I can't think of a better medium to exchange and store value.  I chose plutonium second, because for everything we do, we need energy, and nuclear fission is one of the best sources.  I think the worst are bank notes, because they create the illusion of objective value.

IOUs?  You don't have to look farther than this community and GLBSE, that IOUs aren't reliable.  And they are a great tool for scams, just look at the Donation of Constantine (luke-jr will be offended).

Gold?  As I said posted many times, as soon as we start mining on asteroids, gold will stop being scarce.  And this is realizable with the technology we posses today.

Asteroid mining ? Just as realistic as IXC going mainstream ...
314  Other / Off-topic / Re: I'mmmm Backkkk :) on: June 21, 2012, 08:18:59 PM
Deny any involvement and you get scot free ... always works.

Never admit to anything !

Thanks to the forum I have learnt this now. Always deny everything.
315  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: What else can our FPGA mining boards be used for? on: June 21, 2012, 08:08:44 PM
What evidence do you have they are using FPGAs ?

I don't know that cloudcrack uses FPGAs, but there were a couple guys at Defcon last year doing WPA cracking on Spartan3-based boards plugged into their laptops.  I'll try to dig up a link; I'm almost positive the bitstreams were based on the OpenCores sources I linked.

My point is that you *could* run a cracking service using FPGA hardware repurposed from mining, and people *are* willing to pay for such a service.



Please share link.

I think this is beyond the skill level of most miners.

Compiling FPGA bitstream is serious business ... takes 48 hours and needs huge resources.

I don't have the skill but with GPU it would be EASY. Not so easy with FPGA.

I am not FPGA expert but neither are the rest of the miners I would say ...
316  Other / Meta / Re: Unjust scammer tag on: June 21, 2012, 08:02:29 PM
I am a comedian in real life too Wink
Pics videos or it didn't happen.

Too bad I prefer anonymity ... Smiley
317  Economy / Goods / Re: Come in and Trade Ammo or Talk about Guns! on: June 21, 2012, 07:57:40 PM
What is cheapest most effective ammo for zombies ?
318  Other / Meta / Re: Unjust scammer tag on: June 21, 2012, 07:27:26 PM
Glad you like it.

I am a comedian in real life too Wink
319  Other / Meta / Re: Tag/Badges on: June 21, 2012, 07:12:42 PM
I support this !

Jerk badge for me.

Scammer is too light !
320  Other / Meta / Re: Unjust scammer tag on: June 21, 2012, 07:12:03 PM
Or at least give me 8 * -10 so I can beat this dude here http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=GammaG

PLEASE !

*Goes and upvotes Bulanula +10 x100 with my many sockpuppet accounts, with an insulting comment on each rating.*


I said -10 doood ! Angry
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