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301  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Scammers Are Buying Domains Related to Facebook's Libra Cryptocurrency on: June 29, 2019, 05:06:17 PM
Not surprising in the least--domain squatters or whatever they're called tend to do this for a living.  

As an aside, screw Facebook and whatever joke of a coin they're creating.  I'll never use their services or coin or anything else related to FB.  They eat your privacy as if it were a gourmet meal and shit out the remains to the highest bidder.  Google is at least as bad, and I've stopped using them as well.

It'll be interesting to see how their Libra thing goes, though.  It might not be a bad thing for cryptocurrency in general, but that remains to be seen.

I still have a Facebook account, but rarely use it for different reasons. Years ago, I was becoming "friends" with many old high school classmates. Since I was the class nerd and outcast, I really had shared nothing in common with them in high school, and I certainly didn't share anything in common with them years later. for me, Facebook really has a way of making you hate former acquaintances.  Cheesy
302  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Whats fair price for Legendary Account? on: June 29, 2019, 04:59:11 PM
I have no idea what is the market for used forum accounts, but if you think the prices are low it may be because of the risk that the account will receive negative Trust feedback and/or flags. It may also be recovered by the previous owner saying they got hacked. Newbies reading this, don't waste time with other peoples' accounts, you'll have no account and no money if someone else can prove ownership Wink
There are quite a few account brokers that are now willing to sell a private key to a staked address along with the e-mail account. Although the previous owner could attempt to get the account back by retaining the staking private keys, once a dispute ensued with two people able to stake the same address, the disputed account will be next to worthless.
303  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Scam accusation against Amsterdex/BanzaiBTC on: June 29, 2019, 03:46:34 PM
More in formation in a week or 4 - 6
Ref: https://imgur.com/W16dRdH

This does not look right. Why it's going to take 4 to 6 weeks to fix bug of a system? Before I do something I would like to hear BanzaiBTC's input here. Please send him a PM with the link of this topic.

Also since you have lost money, I would suggest to create a flag (possibly type 2 or 3). But first let us hear from BanzaiBTC.

EDIT:
By the way, can you rearrange your original post? Follow the below format:


If you read one line down, they state that the "bug" enabled people to withdraw double. So either they are lying and this is an exit scam, or the bug was exploited to such an extent, that they are now busted. I vote exit scam since their last communication was on April 29th on discord and it appears they have blocked all forms of communication to them. We may have to wait quite sometime for BanzaiBTC to respond to us. He hasn't logged on for a month and half.
304  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 29, 2019, 02:46:43 PM
Who wants to move to Venezuela for a year and get their mine on Wink
I’d consider it if I was single & a couple of us went into business together.

    The US has an embargo against Venezuela, so I wouldn't be able to go into such a venture. Unless I was planning on not returning to the US until the embargo is lifted. Plus, I'm not certain that I would want to live for a moment under a corrupt socialist government. I know scoring that cheap corn is enticing, but there are limits.  Cheesy
305  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 29, 2019, 02:30:43 PM
I have roach on ignore but would be happy to counter his misinformation in this instance. Bitcoin (per coin on average) costs anywhere between $1,300 and $37,400 to mine depending on where you are in the world. As you can see, mining is prohibitively expensive in much of the world (this is based on today's prices):



https://coinrate.com/cryptocurrency-mining-prices-and-profitability-by-country-in-realtime

And yes, not anybody can just start up their own mining operation to get "cheap coins." Most mining farms operate in the red for months or years before turning a profit -- they are invested in the long haul and weather unprofitable periods on the bet that the price of BTC will continue to increase in the future.

Besides, roach should know as well as anybody that the market dictates prices. This is what gives BTC - like any traded good in the world - its premium.
I checked the web page. They need to update their statistics. It appears that they are using figures for the S9, which uses 100 J/TH. The S15 uses 57J/TH and the S17 uses 56 J/TH. So it appears the costs need to be adjusted down by almost half. Still expensive to mine a BTC in most places though. From what I can tell, it also does not factor in additional costs, like cooling costs and depreciation of mining equipment.
306  Economy / Reputation / Re: Flagging accounts which are up to sale [DT member actions needed] on: June 29, 2019, 01:08:59 AM
If the account has not been proven to belong to a hacker/seller then nothing should happen to it.

nonnakip did change their password and email however that is not evidence for a hack/sale. It's a warning sign.

Am I being heavy handed by giving out a neutral rating and posting in the NastyFans thread to give them a warning?
307  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Mother Forcing Chemical Castration & Gender Reassignment of 6 Year Old Boy In TX on: June 28, 2019, 11:03:26 PM
Six years old is a little too young for that. You never truly know the reasons for the child "wanting" this. It could simply be that they truly want it, OR it could be very bad parents forcing the child to say that they want it. 6 years old is just too young.

I don't know, as a member of the LGBTQ community, I have much difficulty understanding the "T" part. I can only offer my experience. I pretty much knew my sexual preference by age 11. But at age 6??? I don't recall having the foggiest notion. I do recall that I was an effeminate child. However, if my parents had misconstrued it and went through these drastic measures to reassign my gender, I would have despised them for it. However, that is just my case.
From what I read so far in this case, it appears the child may be "gender expansive." Whatever that means. I'm not certain taking steps to force the child to be a "girl" is the called for action here.
308  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Flagging user broke an agreement and leaking confidential information on: June 28, 2019, 09:34:17 PM
So they didn't earn the money they paid to acquire it? Who gets to determine what is and is not acceptable?

Hmm, maybe those parents can use that as a defense when they basically bought their children the right to get into a particular college. Clearly their children didn't deserve it otherwise.  Cheesy

There are plenty of legitimate reasons to buy or sell an account regardless of whether you or I personally endorse it.

I think the more appropriate word to describe the amount of legitimate reasons is "few" not "plenty'"

The difference between you and me is I don't think it is my job to run around preventing people from trading because I don't like what they are trading in.

"An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure." Also with the new trust system implemented, Theymos has rightfully made the preventative measures less punitive and the provable offenses more punitive. It truly is an "ounce" when our intention is to only warn, and a "pound" when damage has already been done.

If some one is actively engaged in fraud this is completely a different issue. The problem with what bob123 did is he engaged in fraud (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fraud) to preemptively attempt to stop a fraud he suspected MIGHT happen. This is not ok, and even if he was correct in his assumption one act does not justify the other.

I really don't think bob123's actions warrants a red flag. It is very heavy handed. Unless we want to convey to the community that when is comes to account sales, "snitches get stiches." Perhaps exclusion from DT by his peers.

Your analogy is useless because that is all criminal activity. No one is alleging account sales are a crime.
Everyone knows that analogies are never a perfect fit. However, account sales are somewhat equivalent to selling identity documents. Granted, someone buying an account on Bitcointalk is not going to allow them to get much of value in the meat world. However, in our forum, it gives them the opportunity to participate in signature campaigns that they would otherwise be excluded from, not to mention other benefits the established account history may bring.

309  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Flagging user broke an agreement and leaking confidential information on: June 28, 2019, 06:49:51 PM
It is irrelevant if bob123 is a rival account seller or not. He still used deception to destroy the property of another. The point of the analogy is you can cause financial damage to others without direct financial (or any financial) incentive. It is in fact equivalent to burning his product because it is now valueless as a result. The fact that account sellers need to keep their products from being revealed is 100% the result of the fact there are dozens of people on this forum who feel it is their right to go around policing the forum by whatever arbitrary metrics they deem valid rather than the forum rules. It is circular logic. We need to destroy his product because we run around destroying his products.

No, they need to keep the exact product a secret or it loses it's value to sport a reputation and credentials that were not properly earned by the buyer. Whether that be a rank, post history, merit history, or trust ratings. Most people buy them so that they can get into a signature campaign that they would otherwise not qualify for. There is the potential someone could use the bought account to do a whole lot worse. Can you imagine the damage that could be done if either you or I sold our account in secret?

Edit: Since it appears everyone wants to use analogies, let me use this one. Suppose it came to my attention that a particular individual was selling birth certificates and social security cards. This individual acquired them from the rightful owner's, willingly, by purchasing it from them. I decide to take it upon myself to pose as an illegal alien and pretend that I am interested in buying one of these documents. I request that the individual let me see one of the documents and I memorize some of the details. I then make some kind of excuse to back out of the deal and then promptly report what I know to everyone that I can think of as well as the authorities. By this act, I have not only destroyed the value of the product in question, but I have likely destroyed the person's entire enterprise as well. Would that make me a "scammer?" I think not.
310  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Flagging user broke an agreement and leaking confidential information on: June 28, 2019, 05:54:37 PM
It's interesting that the word "scammed" is being used when bob123 wasn't enriched by even 1 satoshi for this. I don't see any evidence that bob123 used this acquired information to try and extort the OP. Also, punishing a whistle blower for revealing the truth with a red flag is a bit heavy handed, especially in this case.
    I also don't think buying and selling accounts, in most cases, is legitimate. Someone is basically paying money so that they can present a reputation that does not truly represent them. Even if they are only purchasing it to get into a signature campaign, they are using it to land a gig that they probably don't legitimately qualify for.

If we are both newspaper salesmen, and I burn down your newspaper stand, that doesn't directly provide me a profit does it? Yet I still violated the other salesman's property rights now didn't I? You all love using the widest interpretation possible to justify flags for people saying naughty words, but some one directly destroying the property of another doesn't count as risky behavior? The trust system is not your personal cudgel to be used against your opponents and kept from being used against those you agree with.



You analogy is flawed. There is no evidence that bob123 is a rival account seller. Therefore, he had absolutely nothing to financial gain from eliminating competition. Second, regarding the other situation that you elude to, I have not supported or opposed that particular flag. However, I do believe that particular user's posts fall rather close to threats of violence against a particular ethnicity. It goes farther than mere "naughty words." However, it appears it falls just under what is considered an offense worthy of a ban.
Also, bob123's act is not equivalent to burning the particular product. All he did was reveal which products are for sale. It's rather dubious that we have market where it is detrimental to reveal that the product is for sale. Most legitimate businesses would welcome someone informing others exactly which products they have for sale. I'm sure that you don't mind if i post the links to these threads:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5127280
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5120800

Then reveal to everyone that you are selling gold coins and your sole.

311  Other / Meta / Re: Interested in the old trust system? on: June 28, 2019, 04:55:48 PM
Vod,
   It appears that the tally given for neutral ratings is transposed with the tally for negative ratings.
312  Economy / Securities / Re: 📈 NastyFans: The Bitcoin Enthusiast Fan Club (est. 2012) on: June 28, 2019, 04:00:50 PM
   Recently, it has come to light, that the nonnakip account was recently offered for sale.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5157334.0
I just want to make NastyFans aware, so there is no confusion. If the sale is authorized, I think the community should be made aware. If it was not authorized, I am hoping someone can reach out to nonnakip to take proper actions. It appears that the password was changed, recently, so either nonnakip took the proper steps to ensure his account is secure or someone actually purchased the account.
(Please note, there is no evidence that the account seller actually had access to nonakip's account. So it could have been a fib on the account seller's part.)
313  Economy / Reputation / Re: DireWolfM14's Trust Setting and Tag Review on: June 28, 2019, 01:38:13 PM
There is no way you can know this?

Also.. i believe i am not on his trust list, not sure though.

Sure there is a way that someone can know this. Simply go to https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;full;dt and find out who your name is under.  Also, LoyceV publishes information about people's trust lists, weekly. http://loyce.club/trust/ It appear's Direwolf added you recently because your name is not on his list in Loyce's latest data, which was last updated on 06/22/2019.

314  Economy / Reputation / Re: DireWolfM14's Trust Setting and Tag Review on: June 28, 2019, 01:07:48 PM
What does quickseller's latest navel gazing have to do with DireWolfM14's thread?

bob123 is included on DirewolfM14's trust list, making bob123 DT2.
315  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Think I've been Phished on: June 27, 2019, 11:04:31 PM
Was honestly leaning to just using the exchange's wallet now on. Doubt our local cybercrime division has the time/resources for this, but will try anyway.

Too many exchanges have gotten "hacked" or have done exit scam. Plus, there is nothing stopping hackers from trying to access your account through social engineering and making away with your bitcoin. 2FA is nice. But not if a hacker can convince the support team to reset it. Furthermore, an exchange can determine they do not care for your activity and put you through a bunch of KYC/AML red tape to get access to your funds.
316  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 27, 2019, 10:47:35 PM
Sure, go for it.

How do you shave your llama sack?

Carefully and using a procedure I learnt from confirmed sources.

Do any of these confirmed sources come in the form of cute pets? The two guinea pigs that I have are doing a shit job giving me inside pointers on the BTC market or advice on other matters.
317  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 27, 2019, 08:55:27 PM
You won't enjoy it

Try me. Serenade my inner bear.  Wink
318  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 27, 2019, 08:40:54 PM
What'd I tell you guys. These next few days will be the last time anyone will ever sell bitcoin above $10,000.

Edit: Confirmed

Please do sing it for us.   Grin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7TuFy0fcuw
319  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Think I've been Phished on: June 27, 2019, 08:19:14 PM
You may want to invest in a hardware wallet such as Trezor or Nano. (Don't buy from a second hand vendor.) Even if your system is infected with malware, there are safeguards in place in both wallets to ensure it doesn't change a transaction and send without you having to manually confirm.
320  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Transaction stuck on: June 27, 2019, 07:24:55 PM
Since you control one of the outputs, you may be able to do a Child Pays for Parent transaction. You simply spend the unconfirmed output in your wallet to yourself and include a higher fee that will cover both the old transactions and the new transaction. I'd estimate the fee should be set to at least 100k sats, to get your payment confirmed quickly.
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