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301  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Beterbiev Vs Smith January 13 SATURDAY IBF / WBC / WBO LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT Title on: January 14, 2024, 04:35:25 PM
Here's the highlight of the fight

Artur Beterbiebv Crushes Callum Smith at Home | FIGHT HIGHLIGHTS

It was mauling from start to finish, Beterbiev kept his 100% knock-out ratio the road only led to a title unification against Bivol all the other fight coming for Beterbiev if its not Bivol will be a boring fight, Beterbiev is not getting younger he should chase for a legacy fight not another cherry-picked fight like this.
Not because they are both Russian and they should not fight, more that they fight each other because whoever wins will be for the glory of Russia, so let's see if they are going to materialize the fight.

I thought that Beterbiev will start slow just like in the Yarde fight, but this time, he doesn't want to give his opponent a feeling that they have in the control of the fight and so he started early and did not give Callum Smith any breathing room as he just smothered him.

That jab really do the damage early and then body shots that took the toll on Smith.

It was a mismatch to be honest, I'm not sure if Smith doesn't have the power or just Beterbiev chin is really very hard to crack. It's time for Bivol fight, unification at LHW and it's going to be a great fight.
302  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Another question? Tell me your average amount per bet and your monthly income? on: January 14, 2024, 04:15:51 PM
Hello gamblers, this is a kind of survey aimed at getting to know my fellow gamblers better, particularly in the context of sports betting. I would like to know your average bet amount and your monthly income.

I don't think that someone here will divulge their monthly income.

But for sports betting, I can go as high as $10 for a big parlay, like 3-5 legged with at least x10 or more. And then maybe just $5 for at least 12x and higher, and that's where the excited is for sports bettor, that parlay and then one of the games will totally destroy your bet, Lol.

And I don't go higher, maybe like $40 for a single bet if for teams like 1.5x odds.
303  Economy / Speculation / Re: ETF will probably not approved yet, so BTC and the others crypto will go down !! on: January 14, 2024, 03:36:07 PM

Here we go!

Bitcoin ETF approved, and price surges past $48,000


And here we go, Bitcoin ETF approved and after a few more hours price dives below $43,000.

Yeah, and so far since the news, the price remains at $43k. But despite that, at least we heard that good news already, maybe it's price in already, or we need the market to just settle down a bit first and then wait for the halving to happen first before institutions pour their money on the market.

And just like any good news, the effect might not be felt instantly as we all know that everything is pure speculation in the market and there are also some entities that is going to manipulate, sell the news and FOMO. But at least the price is above $40k'ish before the halving and for me that is good news already.
304  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Know when to stop on: January 13, 2024, 12:26:38 PM
One of the most important factor of a successful gambler is to know when to stop, most gamblers expecially the addictive type don't even know what is stop when it comes to gambling. So it's very important to;

Not sure if someone could be category called a successful gambler.

* Stop when your losing is now getting to you.

* Stop when you are now feeling as is you can't do without gambling.

* Stop when you have a big winning, by channeling the money somewhere else so you won't lose it back to gambling.

* Stop when you are not even winning at all, it's not your thing.

* When your losing is weighing you down, stop and restrategize .

I guess all of this have been discussed or at least all gamblers knows this before playing. However, if you are in the table or like playing a slot machine, all of this is thrown out of the window specially if you are in the losing end.

And it's not always that you are going to win, and it's hard to stop even if you are on top because of greed factor.

Not sure as well if the OP has implemented this strategy on his gambling or if he indeed gambled in his life to advise this.
305  Economy / Speculation / Re: 112 days waiting for bitcoin halving!! on: January 13, 2024, 11:38:34 AM
ETF is good contributing factor here since it adds up the hype so its still good to see if ETF will get approve then we have this halving season to take effect since for sure there's huge potential for exponential growth.
And a flash news, Gensler said that his twitter account was hacked.

--> https://fortune.com/crypto/2024/01/09/sec-bitcoin-etf-crypto-gary-gensler-blackrock-fidelity-approval/

While it's true that the bitcoin etf spot will definitely be a good contribution to the upcoming bull run. But check out the past bull runs, there were some other factors too but it's still most likely the entire bitcoin ecosystem that did its own thing.

Halving will still have the largest chunk of the contribution but hey, any contribution that will help the market go up, we won't be rejecting.
Just as the bear market not only consist of money running out and a decrease on the price of bitcoin, and instead it appears because of the accumulation of a great deal of negative news over a short time span, the same is true for the bull market, in which not only the halving takes place, but many positive news begin to emerge and that causes people to be very bullish about the future prospects of this market.

So if a bitcoin ETF was approved by the SEC this will surely help the price of bitcoin to move faster and higher than what bitcoin could do without it, however we do not really need it as a new ATH is likely coming anyway.

It's going to be a slow process though, we seen like $620m or higher flowing in the market once the approval has officially been released by SEC. But that is still a small amount and when we thought that it will be moving to $50k, the price goes on a minor correction to $42k.

So it means that the effect is not immediately felt and on the other hand there could be manipulation that's why the price is somewhat not moving as expected. Nevertheless it's early to say, we still be waiting for the block halving in April. A event that happens once every 4 years and it is the most anticipated because it will trigger a bull run this year.
306  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2024 NBA Season on: January 13, 2024, 10:16:40 AM


Since Michael Jordan's departure, the Chicago Bulls have ceased to be a formidable force and have failed to secure any further championships. Their objective each year is merely to qualify for the playoffs, not to achieve victory. Ever since Michael Jordan's retirement, the Chicago Bulls have struggled to assemble a roster and team of the same caliber, hindering their ability to compete for the NBA championship.

Well what do you expect?  Grin

It's the bulls, a dynasty, the best team in the history ( in many people's opinion ) .
There will never been something like this team again. Today's strong teams are mostly superteams getting built.
The 90s bulls had a great core and just added for example Rodman and other role players.

I liked the Derrick Rose Bulls as well. They could achieved a lit if not for the bad injuries of D Rose pretty much breaking up the whole thing.  Cry
The other problem was Lebron was ruling the east for a long time, it was hard to get past him and his super teams ( Miami and Cleveland in the 2nd stint ) and the super team Celtics with Garnett, Pierce and Allen.

There's a lot of what if in the DRose era as a Chicago Bulls player, but I don't think that he can carry that team on his back. They have to contained the Lebron era in the Cavs and them and Bulls are rivals. And obviously that injury took everything, his prime years and DRose was never the same again. And then super teams in the East was also established that time.

The thing though that even if the Warriors broke the record of the Bulls, they didn't win the ring that season as Lebon and Kyrie make the biggest comeback in the NBA finals and upset the Warriors. While that season, not just the record, but the Bulls and Jordan almost swept all the awards that season. So no one can really be compare to the Bulls of the 90's as how they dominated that era.
307  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Focus on how much you may lose and not only the potential win. on: January 13, 2024, 09:51:18 AM
This is both an interesting and important way to look at how important it is to have a plan and only bet as much as you can afford to lose when you gamble. Instead of a smart and responsible way to gamble, the thought of "had I known" often makes people raise their bets out of greed. A very important piece of advice for safe gambling is to think about what you can afford to lose instead of what you might win. To promote healthy gambling behavior, it is helpful to remind people to stick to their budgets and keep an open mind about risk.

That's the school of thoughts that we have been preaching in this community, just play what you can afford. But in principle it's really hard to follow that rule as per my experience. Sometimes I wanted to stop already and not gamble the money that I won or simply quit when I exhausted the money, my bankroll for that particular gambling session of mine.

But there are times that I will deposit not one but twice and lose again before I realized that what I'm doing is not correct and it's better to stop and stop the bleeding on my end. So for those who practice this adage, good for you, but I will assume that gamblers are tempted to deposit or have that itch to put more money beyond our budget.
308  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Online or offline gambling which is more safer? on: January 13, 2024, 09:27:11 AM
If he basically cannot control himself from gambling, whether online or offline gambling is the same, he will overspend his money. Because whether gambling is safe or not has nothing to do with online or offline, but how a gambler can limit themselves so that they don't overspend their money and still gamble according to their bankroll.

Yes, so there's not much difference specially if the gambler is very much addicted already. Regardless if he wants to travel to a physical casino he will do it without paying any attention. Same with playing online, just in his room, no one is looking, he can go connect his mobile phone and play just like the majority of us.

So everything is based on how we play, our emotional state, or if we are simple wanting to enjoy like in a hour or two and have fun. But if the gambler is addicted and I have seen worst of them, going out in the wee hours of night to a physical with all the money they have and then go home with nothing.
309  Economy / Speculation / Re: Can Bitcoin Drop to Zero? on: January 12, 2024, 09:46:53 PM
Former deputy governor, BOE believes Bitcoin can drop to zero. I wonder what his opinion is at the moment.

"Their price can vary quite considerably and they could theoretically or practically drop to zero." Jon Cunliffe saiid.

And what's the different between theoritical and practical drop to zero for BTC?

Can the price theoritically drop to zero but practically trade above $40k. Kinda confusing.

Of course everything can go to 0 in crypto. But the thing with BTC is that it's too big to fall right now. I mean it has the consensus support of the majority of crypto enthusiast, and the question is, at what event will it go to 0 though?

We have the pandemic in 2020 wherein it's global, but we didn't see BTC going to 0 although it went as low as $3k but bounce back that year and we even have a all time high at 2021. So I would say that don't believed such statement. Perhaps those kind of individuals have some narrative behind why they want BTC to drop 0. But majority here will agree that those scenarios are unlikely.
310  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin ETF approved, next Ethereum ETF? on: January 12, 2024, 08:50:09 PM
As we all know, the Bitcoin ETF is already approved. So, do you think the next ETF for Ethereum will be approved as well? Many companies, including BlackRock, have filled the Ethereum ETF as well. I believe the line is already clear to approve the Ethereum ETF since the SEC gave green light to the Bitcoin ETF. We have noticed significant price movements on Ethereum since Bitcoin EFT was approved. I don't see any reason not to approve the Ethereum ETF as well. The deadline is May for the Ethereum ETF. We have to wait for that. What's your thoughts about Ethereum ETF?

With the approval of Bitcoin Spot ETF, I do agree that it has open the floodgates for other crypto to apply as well including Ethereum. However, the question is, how do SEC look at Ethereum? If I'm not mistaken, they have deem it as a securities? And so with that decision of SEC, it could hurt ETH or it could help it  as well.

With that, it's going to be a long battle for Ethereum in my opinion. Even Bitcoin took years as well to have their first ETF approved. And so, it will be the same with ETF and there should be some entities that will really have to back it up to be able to get approval like Bitcoin. With the likes of entities like BlackRock and other big institutions that SEC has no choice but to give in with the demand.
311  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: NBA 2023-2024 betting on: January 12, 2024, 01:23:24 PM
It is common to lose here,I know it is a shame when you lose a multi ticket with those odds for just one leg but I still cannot forget Sacramento Kings losing with a 1.07 odd and that should be enough of a red flag to stop betting on this league although it is the best for basketball.I of course continue to bet in this league too,

That's because 1.07 odds does not guarantee a team will win, you are only unlucky if you bet on that team and they lose. Don't make that as a hindrance for betting on NBA games, that's just one game, move on to that and focus on the other games. Sure you will miss the fun if you will not come back betting, hehe.
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I copy other people multi bets and hope for the best but usually give a look to the bet I am copying so I know I copy bets with over and not money line options.

I copy with single bets not on multi. Doing multi bet is just purely for fun for me, because I know it's hard to win on parlay even its lowest multi.

I do sometimes copy others as well, I do agree that multi bet is really hard to win unless you are really that lucky that everything falls on your lap and win that huge odds. And with the games right now totally unpredictable, it's very hard to win.

Like the games that we had the other night, multiple OT's and then the Bucks with a huge win against the favorite Boston. OKC as well just dominating the Portland team and then Lakers who we thought could have gotten over their woes, but was beaten by a Beal lead Phoenix Suns.
312  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Anthony Joshua vs. Francis Ngannou - March 9 on: January 12, 2024, 12:53:17 PM
I think 5.60 via KO doesn't have that much value.  I'd rather take it straight at 4.20.  Not a big difference.

5.60 KO for me too, I think if Ngannou will win, it would be by KO. AJ showed some weakness in his previous fights, while AJ are trying to make a strategy on how to defeat Ngannou, I'm sure the camp of Ngannou also understands that and will focus on their own strategy. With heavyweight fights from KO artist, going to judges decision is less likely, so it should be a KO.

Yeah, it might be hard for the judges to give the nod for Ngannou if the fight goes to distance, similar to what we've witnessed in the Fury fight. There are some boxing fans that thought that Fury didn't do enough to win in that fight and that Francis with the strength of his knockdown, could have won that fight.

And here and with AJ questionable chin, chances are, if he hit that one punch to the chin, then maybe we can see a KO win.

So it make sense to go on this route and bet by KO instead of a straight up ML at 4.20. At least Ngannou has control of on he is going to win, instead of letting the judges, that might screw him again.
313  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Does signing up with affiliate links gives these benefits? on: January 12, 2024, 12:11:48 PM
Many youtubers and friends share their referral codes/affiliate links, saying you will get bonuses, real money, or free spins. but I wonder if casinos give extra help or benefits in some different situations.

For example, when someone wins a big multiplier and multiplies their account by 100x, then some casinos take a long time to process the withdrawal, or they may not even give the money. however, some say that if you sign up using a good affiliate or influencer affiliate code which have huge audience, then you won't face these type issues. also, if you promote the casino using your referral link, they might not hold back your withdrawal because you helped them get new customers.

is this kind of things is considered shady practice, or is it considered fair in the online gambling world?

This is very interesting topic, when it comes to referrals and affiliates, both of you will be having a benefits from casino, not only those streamers but also you. Now, as per your example, It seems that the delayed withdrawals are not connected to the issue of you not being able to register under streamers link,
because they won't be able to determine if you registered using their links or not, and you will benefit equally but it is better to be aware of this happening inside affiliated jobs. maybe it's just a coincidence that there are a lot of transactions so there are delayed payments.

No, casinos pay their influencers and so if they have affiliate links under them and they have issues, those influencers might get some audience with the casinos but it won't help a bit in my opinion. The only thing that affiliate can do is to help those who sign them, but for withdrawals they don't have any say as the final word will be the casino themselves.

That's why I don't sign with any affiliate as I know that they won't give a help. And instead they will just get money from me as their commissions. But I have nothing against those affiliates, each and everyone of us had to side hustle.
314  Economy / Speculation / Re: BitcoinETF approval will possibly cause much bigger jump than most people expect on: January 11, 2024, 06:39:26 PM
I was considering that price could hit $50K to $55K level, even after the launch, but seeing how price reacted today already I've ruled it out now and took profits at $48k. I always considered this new "Bitcoin product" launch as bearish, despite the long-term bullish applications, such as every other launch to date; CBOE, CME, ProShares, etc. You could also argue that it arrived at a bad time, just as price was at a key resistance level around $48K, which is the 0.618 fib retracement level from ATH to recent low, but it seems more like price had already moved as far as reasonably possible and was sitting just under distribution zone.

Am more or less bearish now until either $30K or May, whichever comes first. 2023 was a good year. I'm sure 2024 will end well, but first price needs to cool off considerably.

CME and CBOE launched though was at the peak of the bull run and it could have contributed to almost $20k December when it should have retraced already as the bull run has ended. Just like in 2021, the price didn't push as the highs have been hit in November.

And with today's news and when we thought that $50k is there for us to reach, the market didn't react and instead it made some early corrections as there are profit taking already. And so it could be that the effect of the approval is already price in at $48k and then we might see a heavy correction pre-halving.
315  Economy / Web Wallets / Re: My transaction is stuck since 8 days please help on: January 11, 2024, 01:36:14 PM
I made some bitcoin withdrawal from block.io wallet
It has neither reached destination neither it is refunded to my block.io wallet what should I do
https://sochain.com/tx/BTC/d1cd640d8e6700c4a3d993f547a39c8da9eda11974b51322fed24ede6d24fa71

The fee that you used is 18.4 sat/vB.

If you check mempool right now, the fastest that your transaction can be confirmed is around 46 sat/vB. So it might take sometime for your transaction to be confirmed unless the mempool cleared (which I doubt).

It's going to be two weeks before your transaction will be dropped and refunded in your wallet as far as I know.
316  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: January 11, 2024, 01:21:14 PM
So Naoya Inoue is named as Boxer of the Year by Ring Magazine.

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Naoya Inoue has won Ring Magazine’s prestigious Fighter of the Year award for his 2023 campaign which saw the 30-year-old boxer-puncher soundly defeat then-undefeated WBC/WBO 122-pound titleholder Stephen Fulton in July and WBA/IBF 122-pound beltholder Marlon Tapales in December to earn The Ring’s vacant junior featherweight title and undisputed champion status.

https://www.ringtv.com/662824-naoya-inoue-is-the-rings-2023-fighter-of-the-year/

I personally thought that it should be Crawford, but as per Ring, the strength of Inoue's win against Fulton and Tapales is enough for him to get the nod. Yes it's true they are the number 1 and number 2 rank super bantamweight, but the biggest fight is Crawford vs Spence and how Crawford demolished Crawford when everyone thought that it could go either way or close fight. As compare to Inoue's win wherein we expect that he will steam roll this two, just a question on what round it will end.
Well, I am not against it. Naoya Inoue also went through rigorous training so that he could cement all those wins that he had. About Crawford, I think he is next to him and if Inoue had failed to unify all the titles in that second weight class that he entered, then I believe Crawford would get the Boxer of the Year title.
But, this is actually nothing compared to what they have achieved. Both boxers have proven that they are the undisputed and how I wish they would meet in the boxing ring while they are still in their prime. But that's still far and the weight class difference is gapped by a lot. I think that will be impossible especially if Inoue decides to stick with the Super Bantamweight.
But we have seen the impossible become possible and Manny Pacquiao is living proof of it. From the flyweight division climbing to the welterweight even at his height.
Maybe we will see more exciting opponents if Inoue will also try to climb the ladder. He should really try to go upward if he is looking for greater competition.

It's a competition between Naoya Inoue and Terrence Crawford for Ring Magazine's boxer of the year. But in the end, I can't blame those who awarded it to Inoue, I mean unification fight as well in the super bantamweight and the way he take them to pieces, as he faces other champion as well is amazing.

Nothing to be ashamed for Crawford as a runner up, this is another year so maybe his rematch with Spence and then another fight might could help his case again in 2024 for BOTY. Although there could be argument that it's not that important, what's important is that he cemented his legacy already.
317  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2024 NBA Season on: January 11, 2024, 12:44:22 PM
How about the Boston Celtics coming from behind against the Minnesota Timberwolves? They played perfectly in the 4th quarter and had the lead but Twolves Antman tied the game so the game went to overtime. But there they showed how strong they are and Tatum ended up with 45 points while Brown had 35 points. Damn, these two offensive monsters. Cheesy

That's why I says that Tatum and Brown are the top duo in the NBA right now as they can both explode at the same time. It was a great game, ANT really did everything with that clutch FT and play defense on the other side against Tatum.

And I thought that they have a good chance to win when KAT pulled that 3 to make a good separation. But the Celtics come back and then KAT tried to hit another one but fortunately for the Celtics, he missed and then Tatum connect on the other end and that shift the momentum on their side for a hard fought win.
318  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Anthony Joshua vs. Francis Ngannou - March 9 on: January 11, 2024, 12:07:39 PM
Dont think that Ngannou would ever return to UFC. UFC rarely pay a million to a fighter (but fighters get more than a million if we calculate payment+ppv sales+victory bonus+sponsors). Here, from the start he got 10 times more he was earning in UFC. Now, as he has a place in board in PFL, media, fame, he dont really need to fight in mma to earn the same amount he earned in UFC.

Sure, but his boxing career could be short-lived if Joshua beats him easily. One of the reason for Fury's poor performance was no available material to analyse Ngannou's style and weaknesses. Joshua's team now has got at least something to work on.
But if Francis somehow manages to get that win, he's almost guaranteed to stay in boxing, and would likely get a fight with a winner of Fury Vs Usyk.


Francis has a surprising nice skill for a fighter - he can surprise opponent. He has surprised his last mma opponent with lots of wrestling, when everyone expected striking. He has surprised boxer with good boxing skills, enough to "not to look bad when fighting a champion". Most likely, or even 200% that he will surprise AJ and his team. Mark my words. Even if AJ wins, Francis is going to be different, not a straightforward running train with one loaded punch.

One of the reason for Fury's poor performance was no available material to analyse Ngannou's style and weaknesses.

That is why there is always not one, but two corner guys despite cut man in the corner. That is a ridiculous excuse honestly. If they had nothing to analyse, they must have adopted strategy during rounds, that is why they are there.

Lol, but yeah, if that is the excuse on Fury's fight, they whoever trains him, whether his father, it's a failure on their fight to recognized that the likes of Francis Ngannou who has the power, can knock him down in a fight and that's why happen.

They just got lucky that the judges give them that score, otherwise, it will also be a broken fight between him and Usyk as it really derailed their fight like what happen to Wilder losing to Parker. AJ should learn from this and so not be overconfident even if they are the overwhelming favorites against Ngannou.
319  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTC ATH ~~~ on: January 09, 2024, 11:44:25 PM
That's the pattern. That's the 4-year cycle. So there's a reason to believe that the same might once again happen. However that is never an assurance. What happened in the past, even if a number of times already, therefore creating a pattern, might not happen again. So there is always another possibility of it not happening once again. But I think it will happen at least once more. I am almost certain that a new ATH will be reached within 2024 or early 2025.

We just continue hodling. What is certain is that the ATH which was reached way back in November of 2021 will never remain an ATH forever.

Yes, it's the pattern that hasn't been broken, so expect a bull run this year up to 2025, what could be the new all time high, anybody guess but I will speculate around $120k at least, conservative. Also, this has been discussed before, there are some pundits who think that we will see super cycles or bull runs in a different cycle, but so far that theory has been proven false already.

So just sit back and relax, we might be on for something big as this will be the first time that we might touch 6 digits. And also remember that we have the Bitcoin ETF's that has been taking the news as of late and this could really help the price to push to $100k at least.
320  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Beterbiev Vs Smith January 13 SATURDAY IBF / WBC / WBO LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT Title on: January 08, 2024, 09:32:29 PM
I do agree but it's boxing politics that really prevented us seeing big names like Bivol vs Beterbiev. Callum Smith might be a decent fighter, but he could still be the next victim of Beterbiev's power. But in any case, if this is a cherry pick fight, then so be it. However, if he wins here, I do hope that Top Rank will have to schedule their man Beterbiev vs Bivol.

There's no way that they can avoid each other, they are the only 2 champions in this division. And with the way fighters are reaching in this generation, they are going at a unification like Inoue, Crawford and Canelo at 168 lbs.

It's not just boxing politics but also global politics. The WBC banned Russian athletes from competing for their title. They have stated that Bivol is not eligible to fight for their belt, although for some reason Beterbiev is still allowed. Other sanctioning organizations have implemented a similarly stupid rule. https://www.badlefthook.com/2022/3/1/22956803/wbc-wbo-ibf-refuse-certify-title-fights-russian-belarusian-fighters-boxing-news-2022

Now that Saudia Arabia seems willing to offer a lot of money to make it happen, perhaps the organizations will do what's best for the sport even if they do it for entirely selfish reasons.

The boxing scenario is very different in this generation, in the past, they had a saying to be the best you have to beat the best, so they united titles, and promoters were more than willing to fit the best in their respective divisions, which is why in the past there are lineal champions.

But now we have so many champions and these are weak champions because their promotions see to it that they are picking easy opponents, look at Ryan Garcia, his Golden Boy promotions were cherry-picking fights but once he fought a capable champion, he was beaten easily.
These promoters and organizations need to see that they have to pair the best against the best.
It's good that we have Saudi promotions that are willing to spend a lot of money just to see big fights happen that other promoters don't want to promote.

Thanks for bringing this up, as lately I have been seeing a lot of great boxing fights specially in Tiktok when the great 4 kings are fighting against each other, Leonard, Hearns, Hagler and Duran. And I'm thinking this kind of great fights right now is not happening because of what we call boxing politics and then promoters protecting their boxers and wanted to be undefeated and then call them GOAT, like Floyd.

Maybe the oil rich country of Saudi can change that, with the money that they can offer this promoters, maybe they will think hard and discuss everything and have their best boxers fighting against each other as their could be offer that they can't refused from the Middle East.
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