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3201  Other / Off-topic / Re: Home Depot takes paypal on: November 11, 2012, 05:02:31 PM
It should make things easier later on when and if bitcoin becomes a more main stream.

As far as something that makes paying for purchases using your mobile something more familiar, then yes this will help make the use of a Bitcoin app for payment seem not that much different. 

Apparently not just any PayPal user can pay using these terminals.  You first need to enable in-store checkout on your PayPal account:
 - https://www.paypal.com/webapps/cobapp/prodsetup/pos

And also, with the methods to cash out bitcoins to PayPal, this is almost like another form of the BitInstant PayCard .... cash out to PayPal prior to making in-store purchases with it.   While the methods to do this are becoming relatively plentiful (FastCash4Bitcoins.com, VirWoX, BitInstant), those methods are relatively costly.     Over-the-counter trades through #bitcoin-otc can help bring the cost down to 0 (where both sides trade at market rate, payment sent as a "personal/payment owed") but that carries risks like the counterparty doing a chargeback or account closure/funds frozen on either your side or your counterparty's side.

But, in a pinch, that option is better than nothing!
3202  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Transfering funds from Mt. Gox to Paypal on: November 11, 2012, 08:24:22 AM
Thanks for a quick answer. I have already sold bitcoins so my funds are in USD. Of course i could use the funds to buy bitcoins again .

Mt. Gox USD redeemable codes are bought and sold on #bitcoin-otc, so you can convert those USDs to PPUSD through -otc.

Also, depending on where you are there are other options.

You can cash out to PayPal through:

 - http://www.VirWoX.com
 - http://www.BitcoinNordic.com
 - http://www.BTC-E.com
 - https://coin2pal.info  <-- New exchange, with no feedback yet that I've seen
3203  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: What happens when the block reward halves to 25? on: November 11, 2012, 08:13:28 AM
the size of the Bitcoin economy is now much greater than it was in the 2011 bubble,

BitPay didn't even exist in the 2011 bubble.  Now they have something like 1,100 merchants onboard.

SatoshiDICE didn't exist even in March of this year.  Now there are more than 10K BTC wagered each day.   (Remember, just 7,200 BTC are mined each day).   Sure, a single player will wager sometimes hundreds of BTC in a day, but this is real demand for coins that didn't exist a year ago.   Then add all the other online gaming methods and there's even more places that bitcoins go which were'nt around a year ago.

Add in BitcoinStore.com being price competitive with NewEgg and Amazon, and there should be even more reasons to be optimistic because this not only will prove that a merchant can do good volume of bitcoin sales, it shows that if merchants don't start accepting bitcoins themselves, they are opening the door for competitors to come in and grab market share.

And then the barriers to entry are so much lower.  Anyone with a smartphone can figure out Blockchain for Android or iOS.   Buying bitcoins is still not a hassle, but the options are continually improving.    Look how many traders are listed on LocalBitcoins -- which are not just conversions between bitcoin and fiat but are building local community.

There still aren't many good ways to short bitcoins, so if a rally happens it is probably going to be greater and faster than most are expecting.   I could see a lot of panic buying occurring due to the uncertainty from the halving of new coin supply.

3204  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Transfering funds from Mt. Gox to Paypal on: November 11, 2012, 06:32:06 AM
I know FastCash4Bitcoins and Bitinstant offer this service. They also state it is for US residents only. How to transfer funds if you are not US resident? Thanks

There are many people on #Bitcoin-otc that would like to buy your bitcoins (or MTGUSD) and pay using PayPal.  The problem is that PayPal is easily reversed so you expose yourself to chargeback risk.

The #bitcoin-otc marketplace has a Web of Trust (WoT) that helps to less the risk of being defrauded through having the ability to view the buyer's trust history.

IRC:
 - http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#bitcoin-otc-foyer

Web of Trust (WoT):
 - http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratings.php

#Bitcoin-OTC marketplace website:
 - http://bitcoin-otc.com/
3205  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Sample transactions with SIGHASH flags on: November 11, 2012, 05:29:08 AM
Ideally, the format used for the basic transactions page (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transactions) would be great, but just seeing a plaintext example of one of these transactions would be really helpful.

BlockExplorer, .. raw transaction:

 - http://blockexplorer.com/rawtx/1d28acaabec0e97082354d1fa2f1ff6e5e262b347f25e7ae93a74942ff6d4148

 - http://blockexplorer.com/tx/1d28acaabec0e97082354d1fa2f1ff6e5e262b347f25e7ae93a74942ff6d4148
3206  Economy / Goods / Re: Bitcoin Checks : R3 on: November 11, 2012, 02:34:34 AM
so it might make it to the bank without being properly redeemed if it was just one in the big pile of checks.

Kind of like the catalyst to what got Liberty Dollar (Bernard von Nothaus) shut down, ... when the bank got one as a deposit?

These are missing most every requirement of a cheque (or "check" in the U.S.).

 - Drawer (the person or entity who makes the cheque)
 - Payee (the recipient of the money)
 - Drawee (the bank or other financial institution where the cheque can be presented for payment)
 - Date

The check does have one of the fields:
 - Amount (the currency amount)

 - http://www.law.cornell.edu/ucc/3/article3.htm#Check

But it wouldn't hurt to be explicit - "not a bank check" or something like that.

Here's someone that created a fake check that had an ABA number (invalid) distributed to people with the intention, apparently, of deceiving the recipient into thinking it coiuld be redeemed for USDs.
  - http://www.occ.gov/news-issuances/alerts/2007/alert-2007-52.html
3207  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Donate your historic bitcoin wallet, for preservation at the museum on: November 11, 2012, 02:18:28 AM
I don't know if the museum visitors would understand it, but I think a good exhibition piece for Bitcoin would simply be a nice printout of a private key holding a freshly awarded 50 BTC block.

Necrothread, sorry, but here's the end result:



Bitcoins at the British Museum
 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=122274.0
3208  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: First international online pharmacy accepting Bitcoin! on: November 11, 2012, 01:43:55 AM
Do you ship to south Asia?

TheSwissPharmacy ships to all of Asia with the exception of:

 - Bangladesh
 - India
 - North Korea

Here's the source:
 - http://www.theswisspharmacy.com/shop_content.php?coID=3
3209  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: wallet duplicate, used old wallet.dat file instead of new one on: November 11, 2012, 01:38:15 AM
Is the messed up info just contained in that wallet? Meaning I could use my new wallet and redo the transaction since it didn't go through anyway and nothing would be wrong?

Correct ... nodes will neither accept the transaction nor relay it if the transaction includes a double spend.

The client with the old wallet will continue to try to broadcast the transaction forever but it will never succeed.    If you don't need the old wallet.dat anymore (i.e. all funds it had are also on your new wallet) then you can just abandon it.




3210  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Will bitcoins double soon? on: November 10, 2012, 10:41:02 PM
and having that happening near Christmas will not helps to.

You are suspecting that people will be trading or spending their coins or cashing out to pay for gifts?

Both December 2010 and 2011 rose between the beginning of the month and Christmas.   Then exploded for the last week.
3211  Other / Off-topic / Re: What did you buy on bitcoin Friday? on: November 10, 2012, 10:26:25 PM
Right now, non-miners still have to pay at the very least 2%+ to middlemen to use B to shop, which is mighty close to cc overhead OR MORE, depending on what the merchant does with the payment.

In the U.S. is the ACH bank network in which most transactions have no fee.  The problem is that the transactions can be reversed simply by claiming the transfer was not authorized.

Dwolla is a payment network that uses ACH.  Mt. Gox and Camp BX are two exchanges that accept Dwolla account transfers to fund an exchange account.  The total cost by Dwolla is $0.25 per transaction.  Then the coins can be bought at the market rate.   With Camp BX if you are patient you might even be able to buy below spot as an aggressive seller may come down to your price.

Coinbase is another ACH-based exchange available in the U.S.  They charge a 1% fee and their price is at or real near (fraction of a percent of) current market price.

On the #bitcoin-otc marketplace I can often find a trade to buy or sell bitcoins at the current market rate. 

The promise of cheaper transaction costs is still an empty advertising gimmick...)  Sad

Well, that's here in limited areas but we will be seeing more.

Here's an example today:

$300 voucher for airfare, you pay $281 worth of bitcoins:
 - http://www.bitmit.net/en/trade/i/8634-300-american-airlines-e-gift-cards/seller_info

$100 AT&T prepaid wireless, you pay $95 worth of bitcoins:
 - http://www.bitmit.net/en/trade/i/2846-100-at-t-gophone-prepaid-wireless-refill-card

The reason they can offer this is because the vouchers are available wholesale.  Most retailers have to charge face value because of the payment network fees and the risk of subsequent chargeback.    When accepting bitcoins for payment, neither of these are a factor.

Bitcoin Store sells electronics ... I've checked the prices on several couple items, they were competitive with Amazon and Newegg and cheaper in a couple instances, especially after factoring in the shipping which is free for orders $100 and up.

Now as a person who earned bitcoins (e.g., provided goods and services and got paid in bicoins, or won big at SatoshiDICE), then cashing out to fiat incurs costs and delays.  For that person, even if the bitcoin merchant sets prices with no discount for bitcoin, that merchant still can earn the business as it then becomes the most convenient method for that person to spend the coins.

So the logic is sound -- merchants receive an economic benefit when accepting bitcoins (ranging from 3% on up depending on their situation -- specifically regarding chargebacks) and these merchants can use that benefit to increase their market share by being able to offer lower prices.

I drive past a corner with two gas stations.  One is cash only and charges fifteen cents a gallon less than the one across the street where credit and debit cards are accepted.  One station is busy all the time and the other is busy only during the morning and afternoon rush hours.  That fifteen cents is about 4% of the purchase price.  People will patronize one business over the other to save a couple percent.

Bitcoin gives an edge.   For some period of time, the merchants that start taking advantage of this will have a competitive advantage over their peers.  It starts out slowly but it scan spread quickly once it catches on.
3212  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: ICBIT Derivatives Market (USD/BTC futures trading) - LIVE on: November 10, 2012, 08:02:47 PM
If anyone else have any other ideas, let's discuss.

Expanding the protection of two-factor authentication so that each withdrawal request requires a new OTP to be entered would help improve security for ICBIT.

Without that, there still is the risk that using ICBIT from a compromised system can result in unauthorized withdrawal:

A plea to exchanges ... lets do 2 factor right!
 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=109424.0

3213  Local / India / Re: Bitcoin at an Emerging Payments Conference in Bangalore on: November 10, 2012, 03:55:41 PM
'I hate it when someone introduces these free concepts. Payments is here for us to make money out of." was said by one of the Business Heads of a rather large payments company in India.

That kind of response means you delivered the exact message that needed to be delivered.
3214  Local / India / Re: IRC channel for OTC in India on: November 10, 2012, 03:33:56 PM
For the sake of getting it started, I have registered the following channels with my nickname:

#bitcoin-otc-India

The link for the web-based access to that Freenode.net channel:
 
 - http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#bitcoin-otc-india
3215  Economy / Gambling / Re: [ANN] blockchainroulette.com -- Multi-player, real time, no-sign up BTC Roulette on: November 10, 2012, 02:37:40 PM
Questions, comments or feedback?

This game is the player versus the house.   Unknown to the player at the time the wager is placed is the eventual block hash and the house's secret for that block.

So that prevents the player from cheating using the benefit of where a miner has influence over the block hash (i.e., by discarding a mined block that wouldn't result in a win.)

But for the house, the secret is known and thus if the house were to not play fairly it could use the influence that mining provides to affect the outcome of each round.

When the wager amounts are small, there is no economic benefit for the house to do this as throwing away a block with 50 BTC in order to be able to avoid having to pay out a smaller amount (e.g., 10 BTC) is a losing proposition, but if the stakes were higher this could become a risk for the player.
3216  Local / India / IRC channel for OTC in India on: November 09, 2012, 07:58:22 PM
[Update:

An IRC channel for the Indian Bitcoin community and for trading is: #bitcoin-otc-india on Freenode.

 - http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#bitcoin-otc-india   <-- Web console

Thanks to Amit for setting this up and serving as channel Op.]

-------------------


There are a few IRC channels specific to geographic location (actually, specific to currencies).


So there is a #bitcoin-cad for Canadian OTC trading.
There is a #bitcoin-otc-eu for EUR OTC transactions.

The channel name format isn't always consistent.  Sometimes the three-letter currency is used, other times the two-letter ISO country code.   Sometimes -otc- is in the name, but that makes the channel seem not for general conversation and I think a channel first that includes general conversation should be the starting point -- any OTC trading discussion in the region can occur there as well.

 - http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/IRC_channels#Local_communities

I'ld like to see a channel specifically for India.

Would anyone be willing to set up and become op for such a channel?
3217  Local / India / Re: Bitcoin at an Emerging Payments Conference in Bangalore on: November 09, 2012, 07:50:55 PM
Scared a few Bankers during the summit

As in worry about competitive threat (loss of resultant future banking activity) or or as in them not easily being able to figure out which customers are performing exchange and as a result their bank services being used for buying and selling of bitcoins?  Or ?? ??
3218  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-11-05 finextra - Bitcoin merchants plan own Black Friday on: November 09, 2012, 12:09:02 PM
Just wanted to cc: this here.

The Official "look at what I bought" on Bitcoin Friday thread.
 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=123251.0
3219  Economy / Speculation / Re: [Poll] Oil speculation on: November 09, 2012, 10:55:36 AM
Long term the Oil price is likely to go up, maby even skyrocket. And BTC will go to tha moon, well eventually.  Wink

So if you could bet on a OIL/BTC exchange, you'ld with no matter if it goes up or down ... compared to being on the wrong side of OIL/USD.

Incidentally, you can trade OIL/BTC on ICBIT.se
 - https://icbit.se/CLG3
3220  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-11-09 zdnet.com - Banks cautiously open to partnering with tech innovators on: November 09, 2012, 09:28:01 AM
... banks current model is they 'own' the customer ... like a farmer owns cattle for milking or sheep for shearing.

That's why I love seeing JP Morgue Chase , Wells Fargone and Bankster of America turned simply into "dumb pipes" -- counting cash and typing in the account number shown on the BitInstant deposit slip.

The cashier at a gas station handling lotto tickets "owns" the customer more than the banks do for buying bitcoins with a cash deposit method.
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