which are the cryptonote coins doomed?
Not known yet, but my understanding is that they all derive from the original Bytecoin codebase. (If there has been a completely independent implementation of the CryptoNote technology, please enlighten me.) I just checked, and Poloniex has Monero trading frozen right now, but Boolberry, Ducknote, Bytecoin, Aeon, and Moneta Verde are all still trading there, I assume since they haven't been attacked (yet). They probably will not be attacked, this attack was planned several days in advance, you'd be able to tell if someone was already setting up a similar attack in the other coins. |
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Hey, there is a serious flaw in cryptonote.
XMR has been the first targeted.
Is BBR ready for this ?
How do you know there is a flaw in cryptonote ? I just heard about a corrupted block in monero blockchain probably following an attack. until somebody (CZ!) that understands the tx processing solves how this was done, anybody that says they know this is applicable to all cryptonotes including BBR is not telling you the truth. Now I think it is safe to say that all the non-BBR cryptonotes have this vulnerability as they cut and paste this part of the code, but CZ specifically modified the block format and that code is adjacent to this, so even without knowing it he could have easily found and fixed a flaw. Especially if it is some overflow bug. so BBR is the only cryptonote with a chance to not be vulnerable to this flaw, but until we properly identify it, we can only guess. James You need to stop the bullshit, tacotime is as capable as zoidberg to fix this and identify the issue, I actually am on good terms with zoidberg now, as I realize he isn't making up pure crap, it's you. Tacotime is with no doubt as capable as Zoidberg to fix this and identify the issue. But Boolberry has different architecture with different POW. This is why zoidberg is better positioned to solve this within the BBR environment at the moment. (if the BBR is not immune ) remember about 98% a lot of the code between bbr and monero is identical. (I'm talking about the ring sig logic, tx logic, not GUI or alias) |
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Hey, there is a serious flaw in cryptonote.
XMR has been the first targeted.
Is BBR ready for this ?
How do you know there is a flaw in cryptonote ? I just heard about a corrupted block in monero blockchain probably following an attack. until somebody (CZ!) that understands the tx processing solves how this was done, anybody that says they know this is applicable to all cryptonotes including BBR is not telling you the truth. Now I think it is safe to say that all the non-BBR cryptonotes have this vulnerability as they cut and paste this part of the code, but CZ specifically modified the block format and that code is adjacent to this, so even without knowing it he could have easily found and fixed a flaw. Especially if it is some overflow bug. so BBR is the only cryptonote with a chance to not be vulnerable to this flaw, but until we properly identify it, we can only guess. James You need to stop the bullshit, tacotime is as capable as zoidberg to fix this and identify the issue, I actually am on good terms with zoidberg now, as I realize he isn't making up pure crap, it's you. Wait, how is what he saying bullshit? Do you know for sure if the flaw affects BBR? Please fill us in. I am not talking about that, I am talking about his attitude that only CZ knows anything about the codebase and that the Monero devs are completely clueless, the amount of disrespect James gives the Monero developers is incredible. |
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Speaking of short term prices, I am expecting 0.001 - 0.002 range when this gets sorted out.
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That's a proposed pull-req - it was never merged into the Bitcoin Core codebase. (in part because of the goto) Ah thanks for the correction, I remember this coming up in a "bitcoin code is bad" discussion last year or something and thought the goto was in the code. Thanks Peter. |
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So what? The code base is brand new and needs work. Every Monero investor should know this. Bitcoin was crap as a stack of cards at one point, it even had freaking goto loops in the code. Lets keep the record straight: Bitcoin v1.0 had significantly better code quality than Cryptonote does from what I've seen; I just checked and there weren't any goto statements in the codebase. Cleaning up this mess isn't going to be easy, although it certainly is doable. I'd strongly suggest taking the good part of Cryptonote - the ring signatures - and porting them over to the Satoshi codebase. Monero could be re-released based on that much better codebase and the UTXO set ported over at the same time so all coin owners on the old system were coin owners on the new system. Fair enough, however there was at one point a goto in bitcoin code, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2733/files |
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Hey, there is a serious flaw in cryptonote.
XMR has been the first targeted.
Is BBR ready for this ?
How do you know there is a flaw in cryptonote ? I just heard about a corrupted block in monero blockchain probably following an attack. until somebody (CZ!) that understands the tx processing solves how this was done, anybody that says they know this is applicable to all cryptonotes including BBR is not telling you the truth. Now I think it is safe to say that all the non-BBR cryptonotes have this vulnerability as they cut and paste this part of the code, but CZ specifically modified the block format and that code is adjacent to this, so even without knowing it he could have easily found and fixed a flaw. Especially if it is some overflow bug. so BBR is the only cryptonote with a chance to not be vulnerable to this flaw, but until we properly identify it, we can only guess. James You need to stop the bullshit, tacotime is as capable as zoidberg to fix this and identify the issue, I actually am on good terms with zoidberg now, as I realize he isn't making up pure crap, it's you. |
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So what? The code base is brand new and needs work. Every Monero investor should know this. Bitcoin was crap as a stack of cards at one point, it even had freaking goto loops in the code. |
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Aren't you one of those hero accounts that was bought to become a shill and spread misinformation? As Evan said, for a hero account you sure don't know what you are even talking about. Ignored. I've noticed quite a few Hero accounts being extremely one sided lately, definitely some account selling going on... If only I could remember where I saw it written about the quest for higher ranked forum accounts by a scam coin whale, might have been cloak (which would make sense esp for this guy). 5-6 BTC was mentioned per account....... I wish I could recall how to remember correctly......  no way ! whow, that makes sense as there are definitely some 'strange' heroes wandering around ! Also I am famous for losing hundreds of bitcoin because I'm an idiot, so it would make a bad purchase, this account. |
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Aren't you one of those hero accounts that was bought to become a shill and spread misinformation? As Evan said, for a hero account you sure don't know what you are even talking about. Ignored. I've noticed quite a few Hero accounts being extremely one sided lately, definitely some account selling going on... If only I could remember where I saw it written about the quest for higher ranked forum accounts by a scam coin whale, might have been cloak (which would make sense esp for this guy). 5-6 BTC was mentioned per account....... I wish I could recall how to remember correctly...... Well I've always been one-sided. :p Whoever is paying for high ranked accounts is an idiot. The only thing that matters is the argument, all you're doing is discrediting an argument based on post counts. Imagine being in court and arguing that the opposition is incorrect because the lawyer has been bought and paid for. Get real. The argument is all that matters, and any character attack is a sign of weakness. |
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So the guy who sold celeb photos for bitcoin, he should really have used darkcoin...
Why? Bitcoin is as secure as Darkcoin, if he wanted real anonymity he would have used Monero. I can't imagine someone with your amount of history would be so ill informed? Darkcoin is quite anonymous. Have you even read how it works? It's my own implementation of coinjoin that is much more anonymous than anything offered on the bitcoin network, plus it's not vulnerable to any of the coinjoin attacks (coinjoin sudoku). It's decentralized, secure, timing-attack resistant and it works on mainnet, right now. I'm going to just guess that you haven't actually done any reading about Darksend and show you how it works: http://blog.anonymousbitcoinbook.com/2014/08/visualizing-one-round-of-darkcoins-darksend/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.0Here's an example transaction: http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx/6f52d97497c6f6ff2d866de53a1dcd8b3d3b74c8feb16e2e91624fda0985a917So the gist is if you put 550DRK into the pool, it'll be broken down into 100DRK*5, 10DRK*5 and paired with the same denominations from another user. So after that transaction, no one can tell who is paying for what. It's also very low bloat compared to monero /bytecoin because it only happens when it's needed. The whole blockchain is 346MB right now. Monero is not even close to as old and already is many times that size. Isn't the issue here that Dark is an active coin? What I mean is that the user has to actively want to mix their coins and this can create a low anonymity set. (hence the small blockchain) As I understand it, the Monero chain is larger because every single payment is passively anonymous. (There are exceptions right now due to 0 mixin, but this will be removed soon) The strength of the anonymity set in Monero is so grand that it makes no sense to use something inferior if you actually need an anonymous currency. This is where I think Darksend+ beauty is, the mixing and the spending are separate so you don’t have to wait for people wanting to transact to mix coins, denomination and mixing start automatically you just choose the amount you want anonymized and the level of anonymity the client does everything else, then the coins sit there already anonymous waiting to be spend at a later time. You can even put coins through the darsend+ process several times at your leisure, and there is always people to mix with at least that has been my experience even though we are still at an early stage. Interesting. Does this mean the client is actively sending coins through the mixer whilst your computer is on? Like automatically? |
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Aren't you one of those hero accounts that was bought to become a shill and spread misinformation? As Evan said, for a hero account you sure don't know what you are even talking about. Ignored. Aren't you one of those hero accounts that was bought to become a shill and spread misinformation? As Evan said, for a hero account you sure don't know what you are even talking about. Ignored. I've noticed quite a few Hero accounts being extremely one sided lately, definitely some account selling going on... yes. A ton of this is happening. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=728902.0Pretty messed up as the hero accounts carry wait in the community, or used to. This is bizarre. I'm not sure what value there is in useless hero accounts. Like I've said before, my hero status is due to having too much free time. Also many people know me on this forum and my posts are consistent from the early days so I'm not sure how this could be bought. I believe in anonymity and see a danger in the world adopting a broken system. |
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So the guy who sold celeb photos for bitcoin, he should really have used darkcoin...
Why? Bitcoin is as secure as Darkcoin, if he wanted real anonymity he would have used Monero. I can't imagine someone with your amount of history would be so ill informed? Darkcoin is quite anonymous. Have you even read how it works? It's my own implementation of coinjoin that is much more anonymous than anything offered on the bitcoin network, plus it's not vulnerable to any of the coinjoin attacks (coinjoin sudoku). It's decentralized, secure, timing-attack resistant and it works on mainnet, right now. I'm going to just guess that you haven't actually done any reading about Darksend and show you how it works: http://blog.anonymousbitcoinbook.com/2014/08/visualizing-one-round-of-darkcoins-darksend/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.0Here's an example transaction: http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx/6f52d97497c6f6ff2d866de53a1dcd8b3d3b74c8feb16e2e91624fda0985a917So the gist is if you put 550DRK into the pool, it'll be broken down into 100DRK*5, 10DRK*5 and paired with the same denominations from another user. So after that transaction, no one can tell who is paying for what. It's also very low bloat compared to monero /bytecoin because it only happens when it's needed. The whole blockchain is 346MB right now. Monero is not even close to as old and already is many times that size. Isn't the issue here that Dark is an active coin? What I mean is that the user has to actively want to mix their coins and this can create a low anonymity set. (hence the small blockchain) As I understand it, the Monero chain is larger because every single payment is passively anonymous. (There are exceptions right now due to 0 mixin, but this will be removed soon) The strength of the anonymity set in Monero is so grand that it makes no sense to use something inferior if you actually need an anonymous currency. |
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So the guy who sold celeb photos for bitcoin, he should really have used darkcoin...
Why? Bitcoin is as secure as Darkcoin, if he wanted real anonymity he would have used Monero. |
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At least our trolls are hero members.
They don't use their newbies accounts for a change. I haven't got time to manage loads of newbie accounts, just this one. |
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What is the point in posting here? Everyone in the CryptoCoin scene knows Darkcoin isn't anonymous and is scamware, this thread is full of fools that want to be parted from their money and the smarter people taking it. I came to the conclusion that this thread became a parody months ago, and I feel no serious discussion here is needed as you'll just be wasting your time. |
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Damn, you are not doing the Boolberry community any favours with these types of posts. How embarrasing.
Not my problem. I don't work in the field of community relations for BBR, I simply get paid per post. what is perhaps more embarrassing is that you spelled 'embarrassing' wrong. Warm regards, Tony Good catch. |
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Maybe there is some fight left in this  I picked up a few coins recently. Let's see where this goes. Definitely not shifting my engines from XMR however. That one is likely to remain more juicy  This fight hasn't began yet. Boolberry skulks into the ring-signature ring marketed as an underdog, yet it's got the heart of a lion. When the time is right BoolBerry will strike like a fearsome cobra and sink it's teeth into Monero's soft belly and exposed neck. While the smarmy Monero supporters are enjoying champers, party sausages and fine cigars at monero hq Malla castle making victory dances and teabagging the long suffering supporters of superior CryptoNote implementations, BBR will ride at night. And let it be known BBR is packing a supercharged V12 under the hood Nissan Sunny body whilst Monero is flaunting itself in a mustard yellow murcielagio, except underneath it will be discovered in due course there's barely more than a Suzuki K10B lurking underneath the dress. And It's all downhill from there I'm afraid. When Monero dies, it dies. Damn, you are not doing the Boolberry community any favours with these types of posts. How embarrassing. |
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That's why I do not support Zerocash. WIth Ring Signatures you can have full anonymity and still be Legal(so you're transaction history is still known by you incase of anything), while zerocash doesnt have such things.
This, plus questionable mathematics and the israeli government involvement and accumulator issues makes Zerocash a no go. |
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I think I am noticing this trend of late too. Just don't even mention BBR  The goal is to first convert people who then will do the proselytizing job for them. The other day someone called CryptoNote whitepaper as Monero Whitepaper. Yes, it's a trend to not specifically mention XCP, SJCX, BTM, QBK, DRK, QBK, STR, XCN, VRC, QTL, XC, VIA, REDD, DOGE, C2, AEON and even BBR in every single post in the XMR thread .. it's just a grand conspiracy to ignore everything but Monero in the Monero thread! Here, we ignore particle physics, pornography, electronics, cars, acoustics, food recipes, games to play, carpentry, the weather and .. well .. pretty much everything besides Monero so that all the fans of every single one of those topics can get it in their head that theres just a massive conspiracy .. and one day come here to ask repeatedly and incessantly why nobody is talking about all those things. We are the tinfoil hat factory! You see this doesn't work. The only real threat to XMR monopoly is BBR, not the other angry list that you came up with. So I wasn't impressed by the attempted melodrama. My statement was valid in the context of the question. You are mistaken, BBR is not a threat. |
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