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Is everyone in this thread trolling or are people really that stupid?
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I always wonder, when I see this discussion:
Did somebody actually make an estimate, about how many users are against that idea? In reality most people will just upgrade to the new version of their client. Are there developers of popular clients, who don't want to implement the new block size?
For miners, it is going to be mostly the question if the mining pool upgrades. Are there mining pools saying that they don't want to upgrade?
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Yeah I see what you are saying. I think the first step is to simplify the exchange process. I had to read up on how to buy bitcoins and tbh it was a total pain to get some. If you could just buy them direct from a bank account in stead of having to wait a week or pay a hefty transfer fee then that would go a long way to better adoption. That will be the first barrier to cross. The second will be transaction speed. The average person does not want to wait so long for a transaction to go through. They are used to credit cards and instant money. Third there needs to be some advantage that bitcoins have. Why would the average person use bitcoins in stead of dollars? If I get ripped off using my CC then I just call them and have the transaction reversed. BTC has no such thing. It needs to have an advantage for the average person and not just us.
1. Making an account at an exchange is most times easier than making an account in a bank. The only difference is, that people already have a bank account for a long time. 2. Transactions are instant. Did you ever buy something with Bitcoin? I don't think so. For me it always takes less than 2 seconds. 3. Sure, reversing transactions seem like a good idea, until somebody reverses the transaction made to you. That happens all the time. |
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in the end are miners that will decide, like i said, , but why 90%, would not be sufficient 51% for this?
That's exactly the part people don't understand. The fork does not go live until 90% of the network announce that they're ready for the fork. still i can't understand why the network need 90% to go live, 51% usually define the majority The 51% is what you theoretical need to make a double spend(there are models where you need less). People are just to fixed on that number. But I also don't understand, what "90% of the network announce that they're ready for the fork" is supposed to mean. As far as I understand the network, it can't be that all the full nodes announce to each other, that they are ready(since a full node doesn't see all the other full nodes). Is it about blocks being mined, with the new version? Edit: I see, dserrano5 answered my question. |
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valid  but 0.176447 BTC - that was a big pizza  It was 5 pizzas(or Pizzen like we say in Austria) for me and my working colleagues. Sadly, the ones, who don't know (much) about Bitcoin, didn't ask question, but where just glad about the free pizza. |
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Es wurde nach dem "neuen" Passwort gefragt und dies musste dann geändert werden?
Warten wir erstmal bis deren Systeme wieder normal laufen.
Verstehe nicht, warum man nicht seinen Yubikey verwenden kann.
ich konnte mich (diese Woche) nicht mehr auf der mtgox homepage einloggen (hatte Yubikey) (Invalid username or password.) deshalb bei Kraken einen geschätzten Betrag angegeben... *neugierig* wie das weitergeht... Yubikey braucht man keinen (mehr) um sich auf mtgox.com einzuloggen. Dafür gibt es auch gar kein Feld. Also nur Username/Password. Mein Claim ist A7** (also eine dreistellige Nummer). Ich hab ihn auch sehr früh eingereicht. |
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I am not sure, if I should laugh or if I should bang my head on the desk.
OP is a racist and retarded. Oh wait, cancel the retarded since all racists are retarded anyways.
He is even more retarded since he thinks, he can't be racists against "middle-easterns" since he is "middle-eastern" himself. Fuck logic.
And what about the font? It is googles standard font for arabic.
Btw. I get english subtitles when I open the video. It has something to do, with your google-account/browser settings. So, no worries, not everybody gets this subtitles as default. So, the only ones, you have to worry about, are the self-hating "middle-easterns", like you.
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Also jetzt muss ich die Börsen schonmal in Schutz nehmen.
Die müssen sich nunmal an Gesetze halten. Eine Firma aufmachen ohne die rechtlichen Rahmenbedingungen abzuchecken, ist einfach nur idiotisch und derartige Projekte gibt es in der Bitcoin-Welt zu genüge. Ich gründe doch keine Firma, wo jedem halbwegs intelligentem Menschen klar ist, dass die nach ein paar Monaten von irgendeiner Behörde dicht gemacht wird.
Der Aufwand muss auch irgendwie vertretbar sein. Die Firmen können nicht zig Methoden implementieren und warten. Für Spezialfälle gibt es den Kundensupport.
Habt ihr den denn Kundensupport bemüht? Das ist für mich ein Qualitätskriterium, nicht das euer Spezialfall im Standardverfahren nicht funktioniert.
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Wenn du über irgendwelche Localtrader gehst, anstatt über eine Börse wie Kraken, hast du die 30 Euro ganz schnell über höhere Gebühren ausgegeben, geschweige denn, all die Stunden, die du damit verbringst eine andere Lösung zu finden. Es gibt auch Lokale Verkäufer, die zum Aktuellen Kurs ohne Gebühren verkaufen. Hier hätte man sogar etwas gespart. Ich habe auch schon welche gesehen, die unter Kurs verkaufen. Zur verbrachten Zeit zu Lösungsfindung: Mit welchen wert bezifferst du seine Zeit denn stündlich? Ich halte das für unsinn. Es soll sogar Leute in der Bitcoin community geben, die sich aus reinem Interesse in ihrer Freizeit unentgeltlich damit beschäftigen. Man munkelt sogar, dass das einigen Spaß mache. Also denkst du entweder nicht mit oder die Geschichte ist erstunken und erlogen.
Darauf, anonym in einem Forum zu behaupten, man hätte eine Krebserkrankung und deswegen wäre das ja alles so schwer, kommen diese Betrüger, wegen denen es diese "ID-Schikane" überhaupt gibt, sicher ganz schnell.
Es ist doch garnicht relevant wer dieses Problem hat, sondern dass es ein plausibles Problem ist, das einer Lösung bedarf. Fakt ist, dass es krebskranke Menschen gibt und Fakt ist, dass eine entsprechende Behandlung das Erscheinungsbild verändern kann. Wenn jemand seinem Ausweisbild nich mehr ähnlich sieht, kann er es also in diesem Fall schwer haben sich entsprechend zu verifizieren. Dieser Thread soll dieses Problem zum Gegenstand haben und nach Lösungen suchen. Ob der OP die Wahrheit sagt, ob er etwas anonym behauptet oder nicht, ob er krank ist etc. hat mit dem Problem selbst, nämlich der Änderung des Erscheinungsbildes und der damit verbundenen Ablehnung der Ausweiskopie, nicht zu tun. Mal ganz grundsätzlich: In Österreich musst du deinen Ausweis erneuern, wenn sich dein Erscheinungsbild ändert(sogar wenn du jetzt radikal deine Frisur änderst). Du machst dich also sogar strafbar, wenn du es nicht machst. Das wird zwar nicht wirklich geahndet und kA, ob das in Deutschland auch so ist(ich vermute aber schon), aber so sieht jetzt mal die gesetzliche Lage aus. Probleme wirst du so oder so früher oder später bekommen, mit deinem alten Ausweis, Bitcoin-Börse oder nicht. Es ist also in keinster Weise plausibel, dass jemand der mit Bitcoin spekulieren (ich nehm den Begriff bewusst, weil hinter Bitcoin immer ein gewisses Riskio steht, egal was man damit macht) will, keine €30 für etwas hat, was er sowieso machen sollte. Woraus du hinaus liest, dass es OP Spaß macht, sich nach einer Alternative für den Bitcoinkauf umzusehen, ist mir gerade ein Rätsel. |
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A cheat durring count could be checked after the count was made public, if everyones vote is on the blockchain thats very easy. IMHO what is more problematic is that you need to make sure than everyone gets only one vote and no one can reveal the identity of the person voting. If this would work like bitcoin, I could just create a new private key (or 1 million) to have an additional (or 1 million more) vote(s). If they are distributed in advance they might be linked to me as a person and thus all votes might get public in case of a data leak.
Any idea that could it work like the tradisional voting system where there are a fixed amount of voters depending on the requirement like atleast 17 years old to vote. Than the number of those 17 years old will be counted and a private key will be created as the same number of people for that, distributed among them to make sure everyone get one vote? Its certainly possible to make only a certain set of keys valid, e.g. by signing the pubkeys. You would create a private key, go to an office, show your ID and let them sign your pubkey. That way you now have a private key that no one else has that would be eligible for voting and possibly other government contact. This would however make it possible to know in hindsight who I voted for. In order to make sure I dont go to every government office in my city and get several keys signed they need to keep track who has a signed key and which key it is. If there is a record which key belongs to which person it will some day be revealed. This would enable someone to know who voted for which party, which as the past taught us is not a good idea. Esp. if you consider that those in power have the highest chance to acquire the information. Im not sure how this could be solved. I also thought about that, for some time. The government could just make paper wallets, that are loaded with one vote. You go in the office show your ID, and grab a paper wallet from a jar of paper wallets and get crossed of the list. You could then send the vote from the paper wallet(which private key, was made by the government) to your self generated address. Isnt that exactly what we have now or only more complicated? I get mail that on day X its time to vote. At the day of the vote I go to the office (or temp place they set up), show my ID, get a piece of paper, vote from on the paper and go home.... It is not the same, since you don't have the votes on a blockchain. You put a piece of paper in a jar and the next day you see a result in the news. You don't know, if your paper in the jar is really part of the result. I often thought, "What if I made a mistake on my ballot and made my vote invalid? I would never know" |
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A cheat durring count could be checked after the count was made public, if everyones vote is on the blockchain thats very easy. IMHO what is more problematic is that you need to make sure than everyone gets only one vote and no one can reveal the identity of the person voting. If this would work like bitcoin, I could just create a new private key (or 1 million) to have an additional (or 1 million more) vote(s). If they are distributed in advance they might be linked to me as a person and thus all votes might get public in case of a data leak.
Any idea that could it work like the tradisional voting system where there are a fixed amount of voters depending on the requirement like atleast 17 years old to vote. Than the number of those 17 years old will be counted and a private key will be created as the same number of people for that, distributed among them to make sure everyone get one vote? Its certainly possible to make only a certain set of keys valid, e.g. by signing the pubkeys. You would create a private key, go to an office, show your ID and let them sign your pubkey. That way you now have a private key that no one else has that would be eligible for voting and possibly other government contact. This would however make it possible to know in hindsight who I voted for. In order to make sure I dont go to every government office in my city and get several keys signed they need to keep track who has a signed key and which key it is. If there is a record which key belongs to which person it will some day be revealed. This would enable someone to know who voted for which party, which as the past taught us is not a good idea. Esp. if you consider that those in power have the highest chance to acquire the information. Im not sure how this could be solved. I also thought about that, for some time. The government could just make paper wallets, that are loaded with one vote. You go in the office show your ID, and grab a paper wallet from a jar of paper wallets and get crossed of the list. You could then send the vote from the paper wallet(which private key, was made by the government) to your self generated address. |
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That is awesome  Didn't hear about this myself until today so for me this is new at least it will make people notice it more on a daily basis give it some time it likely will have an effect sooner or later. It seems to be quite recent news. If you look at the all time graph, it is one straight line from 237.03 USD/BTC on May 18th to 233.31 USD/BTC on May 19th. According to this graph, Bitcoin is doomed |
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I am going to celebrate it, with treating my co-workers with Pizza(since it is a small company and on Friday, there are even less people there, it shouldn't cost me too much). Luckily we have this in Austria http://www.lieferservice.at/, who accepts Bitcoin for Pizza. |
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this domain is indeed pointed at the official bitcoin website. it doesn't make much difference as everyone knows the official site has a .org extention.
That is true for all of us, but new people don't know. Bitcoin.com gets tens of thousands of unique visitors each month from people who don't know anything yet, so they go to Bitcoin.com because they figure that must be the official website for the official Bitcoin company. lol I wondered if people are doing that: Hearing about some thingy and than just type somethingy.com in their browser to learn about it. Obviously they do. Haven't they heard about google? |
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Habe mich nun bereits bei folgenden BTC Tauschbörsen anmelden wollen
- zyado
- kraken
- okpay
alle 3 wollten ein Selfie von mir.
Leider ist mein Perso schon mehr als 5 Jahre alt und mittlerweile sehe ich aufgrund einer Krebskrankheit komplett anders aus.
Die Anbieter haben meinen Selfie daher alle abgelehnt, mit der Begründung, dass ich der Person auf dem Perso nicht ähnlich genug sähe.
Ein neuer Perso kostet mich 30€ was nun wirklich nicht sein muss.
Kann mir jemand gute Anbieter empfehlen wo ich per Überweisung Bitcoins kaufen kann und die Verifizierung auch ohne Selfie möglich ist?
bitcoin.de kenne ich schon.
würde aber lieber direkt von einem gewerblichen händler kaufen.
Wenn du über irgendwelche Localtrader gehst, anstatt über eine Börse wie Kraken, hast du die 30 Euro ganz schnell über höhere Gebühren ausgegeben, geschweige denn, all die Stunden, die du damit verbringst eine andere Lösung zu finden. Also denkst du entweder nicht mit oder die Geschichte ist erstunken und erlogen. Darauf, anonym in einem Forum zu behaupten, man hätte eine Krebserkrankung und deswegen wäre das ja alles so schwer, kommen diese Betrüger, wegen denen es diese "ID-Schikane" überhaupt gibt, sicher ganz schnell. |
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It will even be better, if we cancel all subscriptions to even our daily and weekly and monthly magazines and inform these people, that we would only re-new it, if they accepted Bitcoin as a payment method.
The companies will only accept BTC if the clients demand for it to happen. ^frustrated^
And what good is it if they're just going to sell those BTC right away and turn them into fiat again, by creating large sell walls everyday? Remember the price fall for BTC started and got worse when large merchants (Overstock, Dell etc.) started accepting Bitcoin? They did not actually hold or used their BTC, rather they converted them to fiat 'on the fly' using services like BitPay - which caused large sell walls. So, if Overstock wouldn't have started accepting Bitcoin in January 2014, we would still be at the ATH of ~1000 USD/BTC? Sure, that makes a lot of sense  Many more places doing the same thing and having thousands of bitcoin being sold instantly does affect bitcoin price just like any other currency. C'mon. Seriously? You know, that the people who spend their Bitcoin on e.g. Overstock, have to get them somewhere, do you? Or do you think, the Bitcoin just magical appear in their wallet and they can spend it. The price of ~ 233 USD/BTC isn't even bad. Look, where the price was, before the whole MTGox-mess. Ignore the jump to ~ 1000 USD/BTC and the inevitable downfall from there and you may realize, that we are on a good track. |
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It will even be better, if we cancel all subscriptions to even our daily and weekly and monthly magazines and inform these people, that we would only re-new it, if they accepted Bitcoin as a payment method.
The companies will only accept BTC if the clients demand for it to happen. ^frustrated^
And what good is it if they're just going to sell those BTC right away and turn them into fiat again, by creating large sell walls everyday? Remember the price fall for BTC started and got worse when large merchants (Overstock, Dell etc.) started accepting Bitcoin? They did not actually hold or used their BTC, rather they converted them to fiat 'on the fly' using services like BitPay - which caused large sell walls. So, if Overstock wouldn't have started accepting Bitcoin in January 2014, we would still be at the ATH of ~1000 USD/BTC? Sure, that makes a lot of sense |
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