I never used telegram.  But is this different from you going to a website and clicking on it or its about the same?  I heard mixed opinions from people on say whether you visit an unsecured website... some people say its possible to get malware/keylogger that way.  Others say it is not possible or very hard because you need to not only download that file... exe file... but you also need to open it.



So for example let say your main laptop, you do all your crypto, banking and everything on it.  But you do your best to not click on dodgy links or visit dodgy websites... if you go on telegram on your laptop and get one of these messages and you download these files, is your computer compromised or not?  So if you just have windows defender and malwarebytes, that wouldn't work?  But if you have paid antivirus like kaspersky or norton, that might protect you better or its the same thing?



Also does that mean if you have online wallets on your computer, then you would get hacked as well?  Example say you have electrum or those other software wallets on your computer.  But you still need to enter your password to enter electrum.  Does that mean if your computer gets hacked, they could record all your keystrokes and everything so the moment you type in your electrum password to get in electrum to access it on your laptop, then they could literally just log in electrum themselves and send the coins easily or not?



Also this talk seems to be about android phone.  But what if its IOS?  If you have mobile wallets, can you get hacked this way as well if you using iphone?



Has any hacking like this occurred where your password manager got compromised as well?  Thus malware and keylogger seem to be the most dangerous thing to be concerned of?  Because if you get keylogger, I heard someone could record every single thing you pressed.  So essentially, they also see your screen as you type everything?

Hi.  My neteller is USD not EUR.


I want to convert my neteller USD into crypto without paying a lot of fees.  8% is beyond ridiculous.  So I wanted to know my other options.

You mean converting skrill to neteller?  I think you can do this but you still have to pay a fee for this.  I have neteller and skrill usd accounts but all my funds are in neteller now.


I mean there is really no way to convert neteller to crypto?  I know you and someone else mentioned paybis... but they seem to charge 8% fee for this.  That is way too much. 

If I order the wise card... do I order it and have it shipped to me in the US?  Or do I have it shipped to me outside the US?  So this wise debit card has nothing to do with neteller?



So once I get this card... if i link it to my neteller account... how would that even work?   Don't neteller need to confirm my wise card address matches with the neteller account address or something like that?  Again im outside the US most of the time. 

Do they take neteller usd?

I have neteller USD that are gambling funds.  These are non US funds but I am American.


How can I trade it for crypto without paying a lot of fees?

Wait are you talking about the neteller debit card similar to like the skrill debit card?  Or do you mean a regular visa card? 


So you are saying being American, I can still order this card and have it sent to the US?  I know there is a neteller or skrill card but I heard those cards can only be sent and used in european countries though.  Are we talking about this card or something else?

Alright.  Well if that is the case, what are my options then to trade my neteller USD funds then?  Again I want to convert it to crypto.  Or boa/zelle.

Okay then what are my options then?

What do you mean by visa card?  Any visa card I have whether debit or credit is with my US bank account... thus this would not work.


I heard of transferwise.  Anyone can get that account regardless right?  Again I'm American in another country.  But the issue is I don't think i could withdraw those neteller funds to the transferwise account?


Well if I have a wise account, couldn't i just wire the money to my US bank account then?  Again my issue here is converting the neteller USD funds... into either crypto or US bank account funds.

Anyone have any other options here?  I want to convert my neteller USD gambling funds into crypto.

I found out that I cannot withdraw any btc from neteller to my own crypto wallet.  Neteller support tells me the country that I'm located in and thus registered with... does not allow this option.  I think very few countries allow this option as I read online, its not many countries that support it.  Basically you can buy btc with neteller funds... but the issue is you cannot withdraw the btc to your own crypto wallet... which makes it pointless.



Does anyone have any other options?  The only one seems to be paybis?  But when you factor in the fees... its around 8% total?  That is a lot of fee to pay to convert neteller usd funds to btc.  Certainly there has to be places that allow you to convert for less?  This makes zero sense why it cost this much to convert neteller to btc?



Is there any other options?  Again I'm an American that relocated outside the US years ago and thus have a non US neteller registered account for years that I been using for mainly depositing/withdrawing into gambling sites.  I cannot use binance because I'm an American.  So what options do I have here?  Again I have neteller USD and want to swap it for either boa/zelle or crypto.  I would prefer crypto more.  Now if I could withdraw crypto from neteller, then this would be very simple but I cannot.



Anyone have any options here?



Normally I swap my neteller funds for boa/zelle funds with no fee.

I found out that I cannot withdraw any btc from neteller to my own crypto wallet.  Neteller support tells me the country that I'm located in and thus registered with... does not allow this option.  I think very few countries allow this option as I read online, its not many countries that support it.  Basically you can buy btc with neteller funds... but the issue is you cannot withdraw the btc to your own crypto wallet... which makes it pointless.



Does anyone have any other options?  The only one seems to be paybis?  But when you factor in the fees... its around 8% total?  That is a lot of fee to pay to convert neteller usd funds to btc.  Certainly there has to be places that allow you to convert for less?  This makes zero sense why it cost this much to convert neteller to btc?



Is there any other options?  Again I'm an American that relocated outside the US years ago and thus have a non US neteller registered account for years that I been using for mainly depositing/withdrawing into gambling sites.  I cannot use binance because I'm an American.  So what options do I have here?  Again I have neteller USD and want to swap it for either boa/zelle or crypto.  I would prefer crypto more.  Now if I could withdraw crypto from neteller, then this would be very simple but I cannot.

Hi.  I can't use binance because I'm American.  Even though I'm outside the US, my documents would be US and they won't accept it.


So is there any other options?  Paxful and localbitcoins charges a huge fee for this.  The thing that has me confused is why are fees this high?  I mean if I have neteller and want btc, why is the fees even more than 3 percent.  I find that even high since if you look at sites like coinbase, they charge one percent or so.

Yes that is how much neteller charges assuming you aren't vip.  So there is a sending fee.


I took a look at bitpanda but my neteller is in USD.  It seems they only take skrill in usd?  Also the thing is I'm an American that is outside the US.  I assume there is no issue on this even though I have my documents?


I cannot use binance as I am American.  My account I cannot submit KYC due to me being American.  Back then I had no issues using it but that was before KYC.

Has anyone here used paybis and can give their opinion?  Looking at the site, if you want to trade neteller for btc... when you factor in the neteller fee which is around 5.5 percent, the paybis fee being 2.5 percent, you are looking at paying 8% to swap neteller for btc?  

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I am checking my neteller account.  I do see crypto in the tab and it allows me to buy/sell.  However, I don't believe I could withdraw the crypto to my own wallet?  How do you know if your country is allowed for you to withdraw it to your own wallet?  It mention only 11 countries allow this option so how do you know if you can?



I want to withdraw the crypto to my own wallet and not have it there... like paypal which would be pointless.

So I have access to neteller at the moment.  I do see option to buy/sell crypto in neteller.  But I cannot send the crypto I buy to my own btc address?


I heard some countries do allow you to withdraw the crypto to your own wallet.  But I can't do this?  Does anyone have the full list of countries where you could actually withdraw crypto to your own wallet?  Otherwise this would be useless as it would be similar to like paypal.

So I have access to neteller at the moment.  I do see option to buy/sell crypto in neteller.  But I cannot send the crypto I buy to my own btc address?


I heard some countries do allow you to withdraw the crypto to your own wallet.  But I can't do this?  Does anyone have the full list of countries where you could actually withdraw crypto to your own wallet?  Otherwise this would be useless as it would be similar to like paypal.

I read about the top so and so richest btc addresses etc.  I have a nano ledger with btc in it.  How do I know how much of my btc are in one address or in multiple addresses?  Now if I want to be able to see if there has been any activity in that wallet, I could just copy/paste it on a site and it would show it?  Let say someone is traveling or do not have access to their laptop which contain their ledger live.  Say they only have their phone but did have their btc address on their phone.  How does one check if there was any activity?



Now every altcoin out there has this option as well?  Example say you store waves in the waves exchange client to make it simple.  They give you a wave address associated with the account.  Does this mean when you are traveling or if you don't have your device where you store your waves in... as long as you have the waves address associated with the account, you could literally check online to see if there are any recent transactions?  Could you see what your full waves balance is as well?   And if so, what site is that?

Assuming you do not have access to your waves wallet but want to check if there has been any transfers from the waves address associated with the account, how do you check this?  For example i know with btc, if you type in your btc receiving address, well it would show the balance and history right?



But if you enter your long waves address for a specific waves account, what would you be able to see?  Example imagine you are on vacation and do not have your waves wallet on you because its in a computer.  You want to use your phone to check if your funds are safe etc.  And say the only thing you have is your waves address.  You do not have the seed.



What site do you copy/paste that waves address to ... to see if any transactions have been done recently?  Could you see internal transactions?  Could you see what the waves balance is currently for a waves address?