The periodic downtrends are the result of miners shutting down after each increase in difficulty because they realize that mining is unprofitable for them. The upswings are the result of other miners responding to difficulty increases and attempting to maintain or increase their % of the network by bringing more efficient mining equipment online. Both the downtrend and uptrend in hashing are directly related to the change in difficulty.
While I wish that were true it's not. For every 300W 60GH/s BFL single that shuts down a 300W 450GH/s Antminer S3 replaces it. Even if 1/2 the people who started mining last year never buy new equipment the hashrate will still go up since we have seen greater than a doubling in efficiency in the last year. Also now people have options to set up in places with cheaper electricity rather than mining at home.
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There's no point to going towards 14nm when 20nm hasn't even been optimized. 28nm offerings are still sometimes more efficient than their 20nm brethren. Spending money on improving the current design before stepping down to an expensive process should seem to be the better route.
What 20nm brethren? There's only KnC's half-arsed rushed attempt so far. Also, making ASICs doesn't work the way you are describing it. You don't just take a highly optimised 28nm design and run it through the 20nm fab and end up with a highly optimised 20nm ASIC. The design usually has to be reworked because the actual fab process has changed and once working, it can then be optimised for that specific process. Well I meant what you said - may not have come out right. basically they're trying to take a leap too far ahead if they rush to 14nm. Since it would be prohibitively expensive to do so they should just work on optimizing the 20 & 28nm stuff that they have right now. TSMC 20nm is fully booked for at least the rest of the year and probably a good portion of next year too. You've basically got Nvidia, AMD and ARM manufacturers fighting for capacity for their next gen products. The bitcoin ASIC manufacturers would be far better off focusing on 28nm Meh I've been waiting on those new GPUs for ages now. The 7970s I have from 2012 are still the same as the current crop of GPUs from the end of 2014 more or less. Moore's Law does appear to be reaching an end. If TSMC is booked up well then 28nm it is.
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No matter how many times I look at this, I’m still confused. If an individual, company or organization has the capital to purchase mining equipment as well as fund the operation of a facility, than, why are they offering a service of selling/renting hashing power?
Why wouldn't these entities just mine away and make their profit and be happy?
GAW/Zen made sense to me originally when it was used as a collocation type center, but, now they are doing the same thing as everyone else.
Less risk. Would you rather invest 1,000,000 into mining hardware yourself and risk that BTC falls off/the difficulty makes it non-profitable or would you rather sink 1,000,000 into hardware but sell hashes of it so that the risk is far less while still taking a cut from each hash as well/they pay for electricity/maintenance/etc. That's less risk for the company selling the hashes. bmoscato was asking what is the benefit to the buyer of the hashes.
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And they're incorrect. Bitmain's officially listed specs are 441GH/s at 340W from the wall. Initially announced specs were 504GH/s at 390W, which were reduced to 478GH/s at 366W and finally when the product was released it was 441GH/s at 340W. The new S3+ is 453GH/s at 355W. Alright, that makes the S3+ profitable for one more adjustment. But note that they will be shipping after this adjustment and most will not get their miners until the adjustment after that!
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Hey look, we garnered everybody's trust on the first 2 batches of the Jupiter and made everybody think we were saviors. We promised to not mine on customers equipment and not make a huge farm and took a bunch of pre-orders and turned around and did just that and shipped the Neptunes pretty much on the last possible day of Q2. Now we're rolling in money with our huge farm which is directly competing with the miers we sold you (no conflict of interest there) and if you pay us 18BTC ($9000) we'll give you 9BTC back over the next 6 months and keep the rest for ourselves. See, everybody is happy. Life is good. Come, sit down, have a beer, buy our contracts. Forget your kids can't have dinner next year KNC already has a big farm. No need to throw money at them and centralize the network even more.
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I remember I stopped mining LTC on a gaming desktop when it was only getting 8-10 LTC/ day.
Big mistake. You should continue to mine if you believe in the future value of that currency. It helps the network and you may kick yourself later down the track. I think BTC will be worth a lot more in the near future.
If a desktop was able to mine 8-10 LTC/day then you could have bought the same 8-10LTC every day with the electricity. Just because you stop mining doesn't mean you should stop accumulating - you're just choosing a different path for accumulation. Always go with the cheapest path unless it's too cumbersome for minimal gain.
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Folks that are locked into data center contracts will likely continue to mine at a loss in order to minimize how much they lose.
The data center doesn't care if your business is profitable. They just want their monthly fee for the entire term of your contract.
Josh, are you still running S1s? If so, that is definitely the problem. Mining is a brutally competitive game, and you have to continually upgrade your hardware or get left behind. Mining does feel a lot like running in place on a hamster wheel at times.
I would dump all the S1s you have for whatever you can get for them on Ebay and start upgrading to more efficient hardware ASAP...
I reckon you remember my post hehe. Yes, still running the S1's. HF never delivered so we are now running mainly non-efficient miner. HF was supposed to be a majority of the miners.. I will stay in the game enough for the contract. Did you finally get rid of the GPU farm in it's entirety? I saw you had almost 300 280X or something like that for sale.
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bitcoincharts almost always under-reports increases until the very last day. I would go with bitcoinwisdom. Either through luck or a real surge but hashrate hit 240PH right at the turn, so if that hashrate is real and close to 200 to 220 even then we'll probably be at least 10, if not 15%.
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There's no point to going towards 14nm when 20nm hasn't even been optimized. 28nm offerings are still sometimes more efficient than their 20nm brethren. Spending money on improving the current design before stepping down to an expensive process should seem to be the better route.
What 20nm brethren? There's only KnC's half-arsed rushed attempt so far. Also, making ASICs doesn't work the way you are describing it. You don't just take a highly optimised 28nm design and run it through the 20nm fab and end up with a highly optimised 20nm ASIC. The design usually has to be reworked because the actual fab process has changed and once working, it can then be optimised for that specific process. Well I meant what you said - may not have come out right. basically they're trying to take a leap too far ahead if they rush to 14nm. Since it would be prohibitively expensive to do so they should just work on optimizing the 20 & 28nm stuff that they have right now.
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Medicare needs to pay for this. I spend somewhere between 10-30% of my patient time talking about end-of-life (since I'm a hospitalist) and I don't get compensated for it. I have to do it because the doc I cover for are either chicken shit to talk to the families or they don't want to spend the time to do it because of lack of financial incentive. One person in the ICU on a vent on 2 drips with an ICU nurse and 5 consults would cost about $15-$20K/day. Usually that patient never even gets to say bye to the family and the guilt stricken family turns on each other and on the nurses and physicians - so everybody tip toes around the issue. It needs to be discussed well in advance and have the plan updated routinely. People spend more time picking their cable and cel phone plans than picking EOL choices
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While I do think electric companies are an unregulated malfeasance that involves cronyism with state officials I don't think your bus analogy is a good one. In you analogy the freeloader would be hitching up his RV to the back end of the bus for a cross country tow.
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... You can't just give everybody in America $1 million dollars and say "everybody gets a Lamborghini" - it doesn't work that way. Yes, you most certainly can give them all $1M dollars. Whether those dollars will even buy a hamburger at that point is another question. What I mean was you can offer to give out everything for free by printing money left and right. Obama promised everything under the sun. Good luck getting it even if you want it. It would be damn near impossible to get 20 million hand crafted cars with the caliber of a Lamborghini even if the government said "we'll foot the bill". Just because they say everybody gets free healthcare doesn't mean 50K new primary care physicians pop up on the surface of the Earth. Had our "Harvard educated" POTUS actually learned even a "smidgeon" of science he would have know about the concept of "rate limiting step". What makes you think docs are part of the plan?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIktqjfsB_0Oh I know we're not because nobody wants to pay for their healthcare. So far this year I have been paid 21% of my co-pays by inpatients. That's right - 79% of people I sent the bill to and they have chosen not to pay despite them signing a contract with their insurance company stating they would pay. I could take them to court but it's not forth it anymore. I took a Fukitol and will be quitting medicine... let the noctors have fun
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Perhaps you could buy bitcoins and get some Ghs from Cloudmining (PB mining or cloudhashers), it's much easier and faster than running own mining rig. could be
While doing more doesn't necessarily mean more profit, taking shortcuts DOES mean more loss. Cloud mining is inherently risky unless you can be assured that the company is legitimate. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=739510.0Beyond that the contracts are not competitive compared to buying hardware.
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I remember that song from Meet Joe Black. In that movie it is very grim, but just listening to the song alone it's actually a little uplifting.
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She was asleep on route 12.
If you know pokemon you should get this.
WTf??There are also psychopaths around here.I can't believe how psychos are able to use the internet and post topics onto bitcoin forum?This isn't a porn site kid get lost What are you talking about... Nothing to even do with porn... You on one man. What are you talking about? Can you make a coherent statement? You used a pronoun when referencing somebody's mom without stating who's mom you saw.
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Or the days before that, when a single GPU could easily make 0.01 BTC per day. That was kind of nice.
Look what money hungry people have done to us today. And people say bitcoin is setting us free from financial monarchy.It's shit to tell the truth So I was at my bank today and I....wait no I wasn't - they decided they needed a holiday. Good thing the bitcoin network is going 24/7/365. Live in the past if you will.
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The last 2 reasons I can't say are true anymore. I think most miners agree they cannot make ROI with current hardware. And nobody can really solo mine at home - if they could I would see a thread "I found a block with my S3 or Dragon"
The thing with mining is that you can't determine the change in difficulty each round and therefore you can't determine if you'll break-even. You may plug in a 30% increase per month into a calculator and get a result saying that you'll never break-even. It could be that the hash rate increases by only 10% per month and you make a nice profit. Or it could be 50% per month and you make an even bigger loss. So, it's basically gambling on the rate of change of the hash rate. But cloud mining is does not support decentralization. It forces hashes into massive farms that get digitally sold out but the farm owner could always lend themselves to a 51% attack. Cloud mining is only good for miner employment. That's my view - tell me if you agree.
My view of cloud hashing is that you may as well just play the BDD game on Havelock. It's true that end users won't know what the difficulty jumps will be. They are forced to hope they make a return. They are taking risk. The ASIC manufacturers who get hardware for 20 cents to 50 cents on the price they charge don't really have to worry about that since they assuredly will make a profit. All the risk has been transferred to the end user. If life higher risk should yield higher reward. Here we have a scenario where higher risk is yielding lower reward (the end user). If people want to continue that behavior so be it...
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Yeah I can't ever see a point in mining at a loss. If you're in it for fiat it definitely makes no sense.
If you want to accumulate BTC position it may not make sense to constantly flip miners on/off if you're marginal. Then again if you're marginal you should just sell the equipment and buy BTC with the proceeds.
This is starting to look like the end of the GPU days where a lot of the expensive electricity areas had to call it quits. Not only are miner prices not competitive but electricity is finally cutting into earnings significantly as ROI projections take years instead of weeks or months.
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Thanks would you recommend mining somewhere else (or are they ok for that ) People have been complaining that they're not getting the earnings that they're supposed to get from their pool - but then again people make that accusation on every pool. I would definitely void buying cloud mining and if you feel the pool is treating you well continue, otherwise there are many other good pools.
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p.s. No Shame in Refferrals Please read the forum rules.
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