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701  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Gulden a good investment? on: August 24, 2017, 11:44:53 AM
https://dev.gulden.com/august-development-update


August Development Update

We are now quite a bit past the initial release estimate for PoW² and while we are almost ready for release we are still not quite there yet.
Understandably some are quite anxious to see the release happen, as we ourselves are too, however good development cannot be rushed so we must be patient for a bit longer.

As we understand that it can be more difficult for those outside the project without the knowledge that we have on the inside of what is going on, and that in the absence of this information some start to assume the worst, we thought we would give a bit more information to those that are waiting.


Sequence of events

I) SEGWIT – OCT 2016


As some of you may know ‘SegWit’ has been a long ongoing argument in the Bitcoin community for quite some time now.
It first came onto the Gulden radar when we released 1.6.0 last year, with quite a lot of people questioning whether we would activate it etc. – at the time we updated our codebase to contain SegWit but stopped short of activating it.

I don’t want to get into a massive discussion on this but at the time our reasoning for not activating SegWit was as follows:

1) There was no immediate pressing need for us to do so.
2) It was unclear whether it would ever activate for Bitcoin themselves in its current form or whether they would eventually give up and implement it differently.

3) The current implementation of SegWit as done by the Bitcoin team was non-optimal – for our use case.

While we can understand why the Bitcoin team did SegWit the way they did with a focus on backwards compatibility at all costs (even though there is argument to be had that perhaps they should have done it differently).
We don’t believe it makes sense for us (or really any other currency that isn’t Bitcoin) to copy it, we don’t have the same backwards compatible requirements that they do so temporarily having larger transactions just to be backwards compatible doesn’t make sense. Likewise it doesn’t make sense to us to not take the opportunity to also implement other pending improvements to the transaction format.

We did not want to activate something that was not optimal, but we also did not want to spend time creating a ‘better’ SegWit only to find that the Bitcoin people do the same and we could have just used their work for ‘free’, as a small team we need to try and work efficiently as possible and be strategic about what we spend our work time on.

So while we internally had a list of things we wanted to see if/when we activated SegWit we adopted a “wait and see” attitude to see what the next move from Bitcoin would be.

II) POW² – MAY 2017

After a huge amount of work to develop and prove the concept possible in May 2017 we released the whitepaper for PoW², the idea was to finalise development and head straight to releasing PoW² as a hardfork – i.e. all older clients would no longer be able to partake in the network after a certain fixed block height, as we have done for previous updates with delta.

Part of the PoW² concept requires the creation of a new ‘address type’, and while this can technically be ‘shoe horned’ into the existing transaction format, doing so is not the best way to do it, and we want to try and avoid introducing ugly hacks like this into the codebase in favour of keeping a clean codebase.

III) SEGSIG – JUNE 2017

While working on the optimal way to implement the new address type, it became obvious that many parts of the codebase that need to change to accommodate this are the same parts that are affected by SegWit.

At around about the same time after watching SegWit for some time, it become clear that though the Bitcoin team had still failed to activate SegWit there was now a clear determination to do so and that one way or another SegWit in its current form -will- eventually be activated, we therefore had to at this point give up hope that the Bitcoin team might develop a better SegWit which makes the sort of changes we were hoping for and instead accept that if we wanted this it would have to be something we do ourselves.

And so the concept of SegSig was born, we were faced with two possible paths forward:

1) Release PoW² hardfork as originally planned. (including extensive testing)
Go through the work of having everyone including exchanges and mining pools upgrade to it.
Produce SegSig as a hardfork, which involves changing a lot of the same code as PoW²
Put our testers through extensive testing once again.
Go through the work of having everyone upgrade for a second time in a short time period.



2) Combine PoW² and SegSig together into one release, despite possible delays and release it all at once.

This was not an easy decision, I am not a fan of trying to do too many things in one release as this has the potential to get out of control and normally I would prefer to try and seperate things into multiple small releases. As a developer it would have been easier for me to take option 1.

However there were multiple special factors here:

1) Both releases change similar parts of the code.
2) Both releases are major and require extensive testing – with major overlap in what needs to be tested.
3) Both releases break backwards compatibility and as such require coordinated efforts to get all services updated correctly.

Some of the main points on which this decision hinged:

1) I felt that having our testers test the same area of code twice in a row in quick proximity was likely to cause “tester fatigue” and that bugs were more likely to creep into both releases as a result, that by instead doing one release we would likely have much better quality testing.
2) Each release puts significant strain on us as the developers as well as our “support community” in order to handle the large volume of update related enquiries – I felt that a single release would ease the burden here compared to two subsequent releases.
3) Multiple mandatory releases in a row has the potential for “upsetting” third parties like exchanges, and I felt it would be beneficial to avoid putting them through this if possible.
4) A single release would be overall better in terms of use of my time and therefore in the long term better for the project.

A final thing that came up in our internal discussion was that our user base has completely exploded over the last year, and the release of the PoW² caused an even more overwhelmingly positive response than we anticipated, with installs absolutely skyrocketing.
Comparing how many users we have now to our previous releases and how much work it was to get people to upgrade even when we were smaller it started to become obvious to us that our previous plan of “PoW² as a mandatory hardfork from block xxx – everyone must upgrade before that” was no longer good enough, would not be a pleasant experience for all these users and that at this point we are large enough that we need to do better.

Taking these into consideration, and based on experiences from previous releases I came to the decision that, despite it being harder for me and despite the possibility of delays, a single release combining the two was ultimately the right thing to do.
Further it was decided that instead of a simple hardfork the upgrade would take place in multiple stages, allowing the best of both worlds – 1) People to start participating in PoW² as soon as possible 2) A period of backwards compatibility so that there is time for people to upgrade naturally (at this point we were considering also that the status of our iOS acceptance was unknown and wanted to allow as much upgrade time for iOS users as possible) and it doesn’t all have to be forced before a certain block.

IV) THE NATURE OF DELAYS ON LARGE PROJECTS

Unfortunately I must admit I underestimated the amount of work involved in doing SegSig correctly, this happened on two fronts.

1) I have been aware of some small inefficiencies in the bitcoin transaction format for quite some time and this was always on our internal roadmap and what SegSig was intended to address (other than the transaction malleability issue).
I had never spent massive amounts of time looking into the transaction format. Once I started the work to correct these small inefficiencies some other less obvious inefficiencies became apparent to me, there was a lot more scope for improvement than I thought, and as I looked into those even more appeared, and so there was a bit of feature creep.
2) Despite the changes to the transaction format itself being “relatively small” it has knock on effects for an extremely large part of the codebase, the codebase has an extensive amount of parts that make assumptions about or make use of the transaction format code and need to be adjusted for the changes, While individually these changes are easy to make, I underestimated a bit just how many of them there would be..

In terms of the multi stage upgrade, I also slightly underestimated the work involved. PoW² is already a very complex beast to implement and having the backwards compatible change complicates it a bit more. I was prepared for this but there were some unexpected ‘incompatibilities’ with the existing Bitcoin codebase that complicates this, theoretically this complication shouldn’t have existed but it’s just an implementation detail of how Bitcoin handles things – and this is unfortunately the nature of Software Development that these things happen.

V) WRAPPING UP

And so here we are, a part of me regrets not sticking to doing PoW² as a solo release, it certainly would have been easier, in the short term it would have made a lot of people happier and instead of feeling bad about “letting people down” right now I could instead be soaking up all the praise. 

However a larger part of me knows that even now with the delays this would have been the wrong thing to do, in the long term picture these delays are a very short period of time and when we are enjoying the benefits that they bring in the long term I think everyone will come to appreciate the long term game we are playing.

And so, while I am sorry there are delays and while I apologise to anyone who is disappointed by these delays I am not sorry that I have taken this decision.

While we have not released yet, the finish line is in sight and we will be there soon, stay tuned for more news to come.



It's good they gave us feedback, lets say they are telling the truth and the development is finished on the 1st October. I am sure you will all agree this is what I would consider soon? Add another 2 months for testing which takes the release to the 1st December.
December and January is the worst times to release any project, the 1.6.0 update did nothing to the price last year and it was a large update that went unnoticed but that is how it goes with a December release.

Maybe something will go right for Gulden in the future but timing, marketing, large investors etc are in a sad state of affairs.




This wasn't a good post as Rijk will use this information to do a December release as he doesn't want a high value for the coin. For some reason the team wants to keep the value low compared to other coins.
702  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Gulden a good investment? on: August 24, 2017, 03:05:41 AM
Before I invest in this coin, what guarantee do users have the development team won't be snapped up by a coin or group with money to have them develop for their coin? This coins marketcap is dreadfully low compared to the top 30 coins but the development is going to make litecoin look stupid. What if someone like a Charlie Lee bribes these guys to work for litecoin?

That's an easy one. Once you ask this question to the founder in their slack you will get your answer (painfully)  Grin

Painful as they are committed or because it's something they would do for more money?

They are committed, but you should become a loyal follower, STFU or GTFO and let them do their job, even if the price goes down the sink. I've heard quite a few investors (the real ones, the ones with lots of money and influence) ran away, multiple times, because the dev team wouldn't cooperate in getting NLG where it should be. This has been going on since NLG was launched, and I don't think things have changed over time.

Then there are the things I addressed when I was active in the community (mostly regarding legal risks around the pre-mine), I doubt those are resolved.


This explains why the marketcap is extremely low compared to the development being done. Are they anarchists and hate rich people?
Is anyone involved with the coin a Cypherpunk?

Nope, just people who want to keep the ball and play with it themselves. They raised a shitload of money last year, have the pre-mine and don't care what others think.

I won't invest more then 1 btc into this coin, only doing it because I think the development shows promise, but if you aren't approachable people don't care how good the development is. They would rather use a lesser coin and people they can communicate with.
I do fear the development team will eventually be bribed into working for a rich company that will want to create a new coin with large funding and marketing.

1 btc would make you like Bill Gates in the Gulden community. I would go onto the slack and say you purchased 1 btc worth of Gulden , people will start praising you and want your autograph.

Biomike is telling the truth it's only poor people that Rijk attracts , he has no interest in securing wealthy investors.

You have no choice but to cry because poor people will be the owners of the most advanced crypto while rich people are buying shit coins with great marketing. The crypto world is fucked up.
703  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Gulden a good investment? on: August 19, 2017, 09:25:00 AM
The reason the price is back in the 2000s is because I got my friend and his dad to invest in Gulden, they are not poor or rich but in the middle. Gulden needs more of these investors, it can't survive with citizens on slave wages or students.
704  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Gulden a good investment? on: August 17, 2017, 06:23:40 AM
This was a bad mistake by the devs not to make a deal with Poloniex or Kraken to get listed.

You're Dutch? Go on their slack and speak to the devs. I wish you can NOCK some sense into them. They are too arrogant. What is the use of a technically good coin that is not widely available and tradeable.

I will get banned for trying to Nocksense into them.
705  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Gulden a good investment? on: August 17, 2017, 04:54:43 AM
Looking at the charts, it can be seen that the Gulden trade volumes have increased this week, when compared to the previous weeks. But right now, Bittrex is the only major exchange which is still permitting the trade of this currency.

No one seems to care if this coin doesn't get onto another major exchange. Which is sad because the coin should be doing much better then it is, I find it's a crime this coin is trading outside the top 100 on www.coinmarketcap.com .
Gulden users have been promised 2 Euro exchanges this year, both coming in September, this might be the silver bullet to kick starting this coin to the masses.

This was a bad mistake by the devs not to make a deal with Poloniex or Kraken to get listed. The devs see this as bribing but an exchange is a business and you contributing towards growing their exchange by giving 10 or 20 btc to be listed.

The 20btc given to the exchange to be listed would of brought many new traders and investors who don't notice Gulden because bittrex has too many coins listed. During this bitcoin surge in price the entire crypto world is surging  but Gulden is stuck and has dropped to rank 115. As a Dutch person this is very sad to see that the dev team has no business logic.

Nocks does not help with the price because the buyers are buying off the premine. A friend of mine made a large purchase by Nocks and nothing came off bittrex. When he purchased on litebit he saw the amount come off bittrex but the fee was more on litebit.

Nocks is cheaper to get more Gulden but the coins are not coming off bittrex, if you want to see a higher price buy off litebit but you will get less Gulden.
706  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Gulden a good investment? on: August 14, 2017, 02:51:37 PM

60000 users and 18 btc in buy support on the main exchange is not middle class money


+1



When will Rijk add a homepage for the Moldova community? Next target for marketing must be Kosovo and Albania.
707  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Gulden a good investment? on: August 12, 2017, 09:46:05 AM
https://coinmarketcap.com/2 , placed 103 Sad

Can Gulden recover from this devastation on coinmarketcap?

Sold this shit for a loss, once it goes out of the top 100 its over for this coin or any coin.

Well maybe if their marketing wasn't aimed at people in towns like Pekela then the coin might get somewhere.

If everyone in Pekela would be using Gulden for day to day payments.... that would be awesome. Yet, something tells me this is not the case.

The problem is by marketing to the poorest people in the country when bitcoin price rises like it's doing there isn't enough Euros to sustain the price and if you look on coinmarketcap the ranking is collapsing because most people in Oude Pekela on average can't afford to hold more then 100nlg. These same people will dump on 10% Euro profit.
708  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Gulden a good investment? on: August 11, 2017, 12:25:59 PM
https://coinmarketcap.com/2 , placed 103 Sad

Can Gulden recover from this devastation on coinmarketcap?

Sold this shit for a loss, once it goes out of the top 100 its over for this coin or any coin.

Well maybe if their marketing wasn't aimed at people in towns like Pekela then the coin might get somewhere.
709  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Gulden a good investment? on: August 10, 2017, 01:57:11 PM
https://coinmarketcap.com/2 , placed 103 Sad

Can Gulden recover from this devastation on coinmarketcap?
710  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Gulden a good investment? on: August 09, 2017, 11:10:03 AM
It does not matter if the product is not finished yet. i am on the gulden slack, and i noticed that the whole slack is to much pro gulden. Any difficult questions they dont like. especially rijk(dev)they are very critical about it. you may not compare the gulden coin besides BTC. I you have to much critic on the coin or Rijk he bans you. I also notice the 4 to 8 users always say its a good time to buy the gulden to the new users. Why.. the devs need to get paid...

The gulden is a good coin, but there are others coins that are just as good as the gulden. They said there are 60000 users that owns the gulden.. that is to low to ever have a impact on the world of coins. I think its the dutch arrogant to think there the gulden is all that. 

you may not agree with me, but you wont get rich from the gulden, only the devs and the early buyers of the gulden.

60000 users, what the fuck are you people smoking. Digibyte doesn't have 60000 users and our marketcap is almost 8 times larger then Guldens. 60000 users and less then 30 btc buy support on bittrex. Some Dutch people are fucking gullible fucks.

i hope im not the some..im dutch...glad that is have other coins like DGB, Verge, Stratis

I should of invested everything in dgb , I would of been a lot richer today. The Gulden team are going for something noble but it won't make you rich like other coins on Poloniex. I am one of the dumb Dutch people for investing in this coin.
711  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Gulden a good investment? on: August 08, 2017, 06:13:20 AM
Gulden going to drop out of top 100  Huh
712  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Gulden a good investment? on: August 01, 2017, 09:12:53 AM
What is the progress of Gulden getting onto Poloniex before PoW2?
713  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Gulden a good investment? on: July 22, 2017, 11:12:17 AM
Gulden plummets to rank 91, out top 100 end of the weekend.
714  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Gulden a good investment? on: July 15, 2017, 02:19:34 PM
ELF have higher price then Gulden. 4500 sat , get in before you miss out.

Large sell wall on bittrex will keep the coin below 3700 unless it gets added to Poloniex tonight.
715  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Gulden a good investment? on: July 14, 2017, 04:46:42 AM

The one month chart shows it going down. A single day pump doesn't count. Lets see where it is in a few days. I bet it goes down like all the other coins.


Gulden is the most undervalued coin in the top 100, I will be buying anything under 3000 sats. Test me.

I will also buy these low prices with the iOS wallet back in the store. It will go below 3000 because gulden not on Poloniex but Poloniex might add Gulden and price could go to very high like litecoin. Coins that get taken off Poloniex lose 90% of the value and reverse when added.

Gulden devs were able to get Gulden into iTunes but why don't they put the same effort into getting added to Poloniex which they refuse when the community wants it?
716  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Gulden a good investment? on: July 07, 2017, 01:49:36 PM

Did you have see the Gulden slack? More than 3700 users


More than 3700 users and 30 btc in buy support. How many of those 3700 is bot accounts? 3650?

I got some NLG yesterday but this price is based on working class users who aren't rich or investors. It's a very poor but enthusiast community, I am also poor/middle class but Gulden has a future when marketing and rich investors take notice.
717  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Gulden a good investment? on: July 04, 2017, 12:55:11 PM
Development is slow this year by Gulden standard but with  3 developers when  it was faster with 1 developer.

Devs are shaky. They're hanging around, waiting for Segwit before they come up with their "original" and "better" concept. They are surely competent, but I don't have much confidence in them.

devs must be crying, rank 82. My buying price is almost here.
718  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Gulden a good investment? on: July 04, 2017, 03:55:54 AM
the speed at which Gulden develop will make it hard for marketing coins to keep up and some rich investors will pile into Gulden and provide the marketing themselves because the price and marketcap is non existent compared to coins that have MUCH less development but in the top 20.

Exactly

Development is slow this year by Gulden standard but with  3 developers when  it was faster with 1 developer.
719  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Gulden a good investment? on: July 01, 2017, 05:56:07 PM
I will purchase 50 000 of these when the price is right. With the build up on the sale side I think 3500 - 3900 is a good time to get in for the long term. Patience! Smiley

I am waiting for 2500 - 3000, some of the earlier holders are waiting to dump on PoW2 release. This is when I buy in.

PoW2 dump has begun, will get my buying price.
720  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Gulden a good investment? on: June 29, 2017, 10:08:40 AM
Gulden will be the leader in crypto development. Other coins with a marketing department can copy Gulden and keep there marketcaps higher then the innovators
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