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761  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🏁🏎️ Sportsbet.io🏁 FORMULA 1 2023 Season🏁🏎️Prediction Pool Discussion Thread on: September 14, 2023, 01:17:58 AM
Drivers sometimes get a new set of tyres before the last lap to be able to get 1 more point.
Yes, it's very difficult to predict. Sometimes due to a safety car, sometimes a faster lap can't be set due to rain (like Alonso won fastest lap in Zandvoort) or most common by a driver, where's a big gap behind and he can make a free stop shortly before finishing to get new tyres. It's very difficult to say in advance, where such a gap could open up.



Singapore Grand Prix next weekend will be interesting because it's a very challenging track.
And maybe changing our Superbru picks after qualifying can make sense here because overtaking is very hard in Singapore. Yes, it's easier compared to Monaco but it's still a hard track to overtake. Depending on qualifying results, changing picks might be an option to look into.  Smiley
762  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: List of useful Bitcoin block explorers on: September 13, 2023, 10:53:23 PM
But when I tried searching an empty bitcoin wallet on the site, it just gave me an error. I would have wanted it to show me a wallet with 0 balance, maybe even show the qr code for easier input into mobile.


for reference here is the working link on blockchair, and the non-working link on 3xpl.
Good comment, now I remember our discussion about it, when we added it to our list.
You are right because it only shows addresses containing a blance, what cygan also confirmed. After our discussion, I've also added a comment in our table indicating that it's only showing addresses containing a balance:

I've collected some of the most famous Bitcoin block explorers including a column for supported features like displaying native SegWit bech32-addresses or giving the possibility to identify an outgoing transaction from nested SegWit P2SH addresses. Finally, I've rated them from my side how useful each block explorer is. The rating is better the more detailed the explorer is.

Bitcoin block explorers *:

Name (link)Bech32 / Bech32m (P2TR) supported?SegWit (P2SH) identifiable?**Usefulness (subjective rating) Tongue ***Works without JS?Rated by
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
SpiralYes (09/2022) / Yes (10/2022)No (09/2022)x / 10 PointsNocygan


Anyone have any ideas why this happens for empty wallets? Anything with a balance shows up correctly.
I don't know but maybe a coder will leave a comment here in case he knows about it.  Smiley
763  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Gute Beiträge, die Merit verdienen [AKTIV] on: September 13, 2023, 10:42:20 PM
Dann würde aber die folgende Regel greifen:

Die untenstehende Form muss verwendet werden. Abgaben ohne diese Form oder zu fehlerhaft ausgefüllter Form bleiben unberücksichtigt.

 Wink Wink

Die würde ja in so einem Fall selbstverständlich ebenfalls abgeschafft. Wink
Nö, die bleibt natürlich, damit da keine weiteren Probleme entstehen.  Smiley
Es kommen höchstens weitere Regeln dazu, falls Missbrauch erkannt wird.

Wärend andere solche Kampagnen starten um ihr smerit unter die Leute zu bringen, ist bei dir der Aspekt mit den 1miau-kriterien und den allgemein anerkannten Regeln und der stärkeren Betonung selbiger glaube eine nicht zu vernachlässigende Intention.... Wink
Definintiv, es wird nicht wahllos Merit ausgegeben, denn das hat in der Vergangenheit bei anderen Fällen bereits für enormen Unmut gesogt, wie im Fall von QuestionAuthority, welche(s?) von theymos dadurch sogar als Merit-Quelle entfernt wurde.
Auch, wenn ein solcher Fall in der heutigen Zeit undenkbar wäre, sollte uns dieses Fallbeispiel eine Lehre sein, hohe Ansprüche bei Qualitätsbeiträgen einzufordern und mit dem Merit prinzipientreu umzugehen.  Smiley
Der ganze Salat wird auch später in Meta präsentiert werden, was es für die (erfolgreichen) Teilnehmer noch um einiges prestigeträchtiger machen wird.  Smiley

Ich hab die Kopfzeile jetzt übrigens auch nochmal angepasst, sodass alles der gewünschten Form entsprechen sollte....
Kein Problem, war alles gut. Hätte mir die Beiträge auch so angesehen, wenn in der Spalte nur der Link hineinkopiert gewesen wäre.
Die oben genannte Regel mit der Einhaltung der Form bezog sich eher darauf, falls die Form bewusst abgeändert oder missverstanden wird bis hin zum Extremfall, einfach nicht die Form zu verwenden, sondern einfach nur formlos auf die eigenen Beiträge Merit zu fordern.
Aber selbst deine ursprüngliche Abgabe hatte gepasst, habe es nur erwähnt, weil mir das aufgefallen war und es ja auch laut cygan besser zu lesen ist, wenn der Titel mit angezeigt wird.  Smiley
764  Other / Meta / Re: Is there a limit on the disinformation, FOMO,...that can be dumped in the forum? on: September 13, 2023, 12:23:31 AM
I believe I know which spammer / troll paxmao talks about here and if it's indeed the candidate in question, I believe he talks about, paxmao is 100% right because it's a very "bad" troll.  Cheesy Cheesy
There's no specific rule yet about such case (spreading lies) but for some particular cases it would be useful to have such a rule.
I still believe we can apply current rules, depending on content (or lack of thereof):

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1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads
Such posts as "SELL SELL SELL", "I agree", "+1", "Support", "Watching", "Interesting", "LOL", "SCAM", "LEGIT", "FAKE", other one word posts, posts consisting mostly of swearing, quote pyramids, useless introduction threads, threads about a topic already recently discussed in several other threads.
Especially BOLD parts.
In my opinion, just a link and a quote from another website without any added comment is also "low value" comment / spam.

Quote
2. No off-topic posts.
Some time, such posts are off-topic.

Quote
3. No trolling.
Very often, these posts could be handled as "trolling" because spreading lies, derailing a topic or posting the same crap again and again is definitely "trolling".

Quoted from Bitcointak rules: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0

However, a new rule about this wouldn't hurt. Some trolls are well known to cause upheaval, they are just here to link or quote news in press section or even outright disinformation, they are not here to discuss Bitcoin in a meaningful way, they are just here to link content from other sites, or shill a certain fraud service / shitcoin / ICO / NFT / whatever (but not scam so we can't tag them).
At least, we can add a neutral tag to make signature campaign mangers aware that rewarding such candidates via paid posts is not beneficial for the forum.

But even then: the section, where the troll, that I believe paxmao refers to, is mostly active, lacks of any active moderator, so even currently rule-breaking spam like pyramid quotes or low-value spam or off-topic, isn't getting removed currently.


765  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: List of useful Bitcoin block explorers on: September 12, 2023, 11:43:42 PM
A small update after a brief [ish] hiatus:

- I'm getting "Connection timed out Error code 522" for both of the following explorers: localbitcoinschain and coincap
- It appears that the situation with learnmeabitcoin hasn't improved (it's "4,019 blocks behind" and the last time I reported, it was "2,476 blocks behind"), so it's probably an abandoned project.
- Spiral isn't responding to any of my search queries!
Same for me regarding all of your points.
Maybe we can wait some more time and check, if we will see any changes and if not, we can de-list each inactive explorer.



There is this new Bitcoin block explorer it just got to know about today. It also supports other notable chains. It has a nice UI. However, I can't rate as I have just known it only today, maybe someone can help rate it

https://3xpl.com/bitcoin
Tor Link: http://3xplor3rzajysy4j5fi3g3k27vivfcw75zjxdb2tg2wpz3i4cdiyhxyd.onion
Seems like a legitimate Blockexplorer.
No worry for rating yet, if you are not sure how to rate it, take your time until you know.
We don't have any time limit on this.  Smiley
766  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Rollbit | Champions League Pool | $11,000+ in Prizes ⚽️ Discussion Thread on: September 12, 2023, 10:37:11 PM
We now have 33 confirmed participants (13 paid, marked below with asterisk. Paid but no asterisk? PM me!), and 2 tentative (marked in brackets). Can we see if we get the numbers to cross 50? Invite your degen friends!
Awesome to hear such positive news. Conditionas are really nice and I believe a split of 70 / 30 is a good decision.
+1 for rewarding more participants as well.
I've also announced your pool in our German Bundesliga prediction topic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5460510.msg62835894#msg62835894
Maybe some people will join and we can get closer to 50 participants.

I'll send you my participation fee right away via PM now.  Smiley
767  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: ⚽Bitcointalk Bundesliga Tippspiel 2023/2024 sponsored by sportsbet.io⚽ on: September 12, 2023, 10:31:59 PM
Wenn Felix Magath wirklich die Nationalelf übernehmen sollte, lache ich mich kaputt.
Sollte da keiner von den Topkandidaten Interesse haben, könnte das vielleicht echt passieren.
Aber nach dem doch recht guten Auftritt heute könnte ich mir schon vorstellen, dass entweder Nagelsmann oder Van Gaal entscheidend Interesse hätten.

Die Jungs zittern bestimmt jetzt schon, wenn sie mit Medizinbällen und ohne Wasser hundert Mal den Hügel rauflaufen sollen.
Na, wenn schon, denn schon: Mit Medizinbällen und Wasser, können sie beides den Hügel hinauf schleppen.  Cheesy

Gucken wir mal wie es heute Abend gegen Frankreich wird.
Völler kann ruhig bleiben aber ist wohl eher ein Sieg von der Kategorie "glücklich und effizient" und der Tatsache, dass die Franzosen nicht so wirklich Lust hatten.  Cheesy
Mbappé wurde erst gar nicht gebracht, trotz Rückstand.
Leider will Völler nicht...



Bayern gegen Leverkusen wird echt interessant, zumindest in der letzten Saision hatte Leverkusen den Bayern bereits ein Bein stellen können, als Leverkusen daheim 2:1 gewann.




Und noch eine andere Sache: aktuell kann man sich noch für das jährliche Tippspiel der Champions League anmelden: Ankündigung 1 / Ankündigung 2 / Sponsor
Veranstaltet wird es von buwaytress.
Sponsor ist Rollbit mit 10.000 USD Preisgeldern + 1.000 USD in Freiwetten.
Die Bedingungen sind diesmal etwas anders, da dort auch zusätzlich zu Superbru ein Tipp mit Wettquoten (1x2) abgegeben wird.
Am Ende wird der Topf 70/30 in beide Kategorien geteilt.
Mehr Informationen gibt es dort.
Die Konditionen können sich also sehr gut sehen lassen.  Smiley
768  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Gute Beiträge, die Merit verdienen [AKTIV] on: September 12, 2023, 10:14:44 PM
also ich würde gerne auch den titel des fadens bevorzugen mit dem link auf den enstprechenden beitrag bzw. auf den faden. denn dann sieht man sofort um welches thema es sich handelt
Wenn es bei der Form bleiben soll, kann man ja vielleicht einfach den Spaltenkopf nochmal kurz anpassen und in z.B. "Titel (als Link)" umbenennen.
Danke für eure Meinungen.
Habe eure beiden Vorschläge gemischt und würde daher auf Titel des Fadens mit integriertem Link setzen. Zudem ist die Form gemäß des Vorschlags von Turbartuluk angepasst.  Smiley

Was man bei anderen solcher Fäden (egal ob deutsch oder englisch) sehen kann ist aber, dass über die Zeit immer mehr Anforderungen weggelassen wurden und zum Schluss meist nur noch die Links ohne alles übrig geblieben sind.
Dann würde aber die folgende Regel greifen:

Die untenstehende Form muss verwendet werden. Abgaben ohne diese Form oder zu fehlerhaft ausgefüllter Form bleiben unberücksichtigt.

 Wink Wink
769  Local / Altcoins (Deutsch) / Re: Solana SOL - Analyse & Prognose - Bullisch vs. Bärisch on: September 12, 2023, 10:05:46 PM
VISA startet ein Pilotprojekt mit Solana
Na, ach du Schande...  Lips sealed Lips sealed


Davon würde ich lediglich die folgenden Punkte anerkennen:
Anzahl der gleichzeitigen Transaktionen, überschaubare Kosten, ...

Gerade ein großer Konzern wie Visa sollte doch die Tricks der Pappenheimer durchschauen.
Oder Solana gibt massig Zuschuss aus dem Topf der vorgeschürften PoS-Shitcoins an Visa und Visa hat genau kalkuliert, wann es das Projekt für tot erklärt und sich daraus zurückzieht.  Cheesy


Naja, wenn das Netzwerk "steht" ist es ja dennoch verfügbar oder  Huh Roll Eyes Aber vielleicht haben sie es mittlerweile "besser im Griff."
Vielleicht sind die "Experten von VISA" auch Optimisten und werden später zu Realisten (denn aktuell fehlt ihnen offenbar die Erfahrung).
Oder aber, die Vermutung, dass Visa hier nur Marketinggelder von Solana abgreifen will, könnte stimmen.
Man weißt es nicht.  Cheesy
770  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: 1miau special deal on: September 12, 2023, 09:50:42 PM
Hello Trofo Smiley

I don't like the mystery, I feel left out  Grin Got used to being part of everything that happens in gambling sections of the furum I guess.
If something exciting will happen, be assured, you will get to know about it.

Excellent job on building suspense though. Looking forward to seeing what it is all about.
From our discussion here, our topic seems to be quite exciting but I don’t want to raise too high expectations because it's really just a very trivial special deal, so having too high expectations might result in a disappointment because it's indeed very trivial.  Cheesy
Our topic is just a place to write down all important details to be set for starting.  Smiley
771  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: * | Champions League Pool ⚽️ Discussion Thread on: September 12, 2023, 01:15:47 AM
@1miau For now, it doesn't look like we'll get yellow cap bonuses, but there will be other promotions, hopefully. Will be sure to update the details of that.
Interesting to know, I'm trying to send you my participation fee tomorrow, so count me in.  Wink

I'm especially looking forward how Union Berlin will perform, it's a very tough group, where Real Madrid and SSC Napoli are likely to advance, don't know how to judge Braga.
Will be interesting for sure.  Smiley



I'd appreciate it if you could offer the thread link (I'm too lazy to check).
Here's our recent prediction discussion link: 🏁🏎️ Sportsbet.io🏁 FORMULA 1 2023 Season🏁🏎️Prediction Pool Discussion Thread
In F1, we predict podium results and first 10 finishers (Top 10)
Qualifying (who will start first) and fastest lap will also add 1 point if predicted correctly.
Details are still a bit more nuanced (like exact position bonus, podium bonus or early prediction bonus) but it's easy to understand when you see it on Superbru.  Smiley
772  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: ⚽Bitcointalk Bundesliga Tippspiel 2023/2024 sponsored by sportsbet.io⚽ on: September 12, 2023, 01:07:35 AM
Nagelsmann als Trainer bei der DFB, irgendwie glaube ich es nicht ganz. Ich glaube, dass wir eine Überraschung erleben werden und irgendwer den Posten erhalten wird der nicht auf dem Schirm von vielen ist. Es muss sich nämlich gewaltig etwas ändern und mit Nagelsmann wird es keine großartigen Veränderungen geben.
Naja, Felix Magath hat seinen Hut schon einmal in den Ring geworfen. Den Laden im aktuellen Zustand zu übernehmen, würde sich keiner gerne antun aber bei Magath würde man sich das schon einigermaßen vorstellen können. Den Schlaffußball letzte Woche konnte man sich ja nur schwer antun, abgesehen von den wirklich üblen Fehlern...
Und bei Magath würde Sülle vielleicht auch ein bisschen abnehmen, wa gar nicht schlecht wäre.  Cheesy

Ob das auch taktisch die erhoffte Verbesserung bringt, ist natürlich die Frage.  Cheesy
773  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: Sportsbet.io 🏎️🏁 Singapore Grand Prix 🏁🏎️ Prediction Contest on: September 11, 2023, 11:19:58 PM
1. Verstappen
2. Verstappen
3. Perez
4. 14 seconds
774  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Gute Beiträge, die Merit verdienen [AKTIV] on: September 11, 2023, 10:56:23 PM
Zitat:
"Für den Abbau der Bürokratie fehlen uns die Notwendingen Beamten"
(Quelle: unbekannt)
Na, wenn die notwendigen Beamten fehlen, hoffe ich nicht, dass es die nächste Runde beeinträchtigt, wenn bei den Regeln gegebenenfalls nachjustiert werden sollte.  Cheesy



Einreichung

Danke für die Einreichung, werde ich bei Zeit einmal durchsehen und entsprechend mit Merit belohnen.
In der Spalte "Link" wollte ich eigentlich den Titel des Fadens genannt haben, weil der passt dann auch in die Spalte oder meint ihr, es ist besser (einfacher), direkt nur den Link, (wie Turbartuluk es gemacht hat), in diese Spalte zu kopieren und das war es?



Und noch eine wichtige Sache: in diesem selbstmoderierten Faden werden die allgemein anerkannten Regeln angewandt.
Dankeschön.  Smiley
775  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: 1miau special deal on: September 11, 2023, 10:08:52 PM
Hello CLS63 and cryptofrka  Smiley

Members currently eligible for 1miau special deal:
- buwaytress
- slaman29
- 1miau


I want the 3 members to be very successful whose posts I enjoy reading on gambling board. Good luck to you.  Wink
Very happy to hear you like reading our posts. And good luck in all prediction pools as well.  Smiley


And our deal is different but based on sports as well. That's why buwaytress and slaman29 are involved here. They are two sports specialists and know a lot about that issue.  Smiley
I hope that you share the details under this subject soon. I'm also very curious about it. Smiley 
Unfortunately, it won't be concluded anytime soon but you might already know from our recent PM discussion.  Wink


I'm doubtful that buwaytress has so much knowledge about sports.  Cheesy
Are you really sure about it?  Cheesy
At least in our Bundesliga pool, buwaytress is performing very well.  Smiley

But maybe you are right because buwaytress has predicted a close call and that's not what we need (okay, close call is still okay if it's a missed one.  Cheesy).



Hey fellas, love the mystery

Thanks for the shoutout, we wish you good luck with whatever this is and are of course interested to hear more about it!
Heyy  Smiley
Yes, luck is necessary of course but from what we have agreed on, I believe we are safe.
I've allowed to link your Sportsbet's Bitcointalk Sports Fanatics League (BSFL) topic here, so maybe you can get some more new participants. Unfortunately I don't have enough time for it.  Cry
But I really like your dedication for BSFL.  Smiley
+1
776  Economy / Reputation / Re: Haunebu and 3kpk3 - merit system abuse on: September 11, 2023, 09:06:03 PM
The term 'Alternative Accounts' is causing confusion for us.
You are making a good point here. The term "no alt accounts are allowed to be enrolled in this campaign" is indeed confusing because in fact, enrolling an alt account is allowed. It should get re-phrased to "enrolling multiple accounts in this campaign is not allowed".

For example, I'm in MixTum campaign right now but it would be possible for me to enroll an alt account (let's call it 2miau) in a different campaign, let's take CryptoGames.
In opposite, it wouldn't be possible for me to enroll my alt account 2miau in MixTum campaign because my main account 1miau is already enrolled. I would be participating with 2 accounts in MixTum campaign, which would not be allowed.

Like you've pointed out correctly, the term is very confusing and should be changed to "enrolling multiple accounts in this campaign is not allowed". Some campaigns have already implemented the clearer term.
777  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Wie geht Ihr mit dem Stress (hodl/trading) um? on: September 11, 2023, 08:26:42 PM
Julian Hosp sagt sogar, er hat alles verkauft und denkt ETH wird BTC überholen und BTC lange Zeit nicht wieder Richtung ATH steigen, wobei das wieder ein Kontraindikator sein kann. ^^
Cheesy Cheesy
Was hat er denn genau gesagt, womit er diese steile These begründet, insbesondere, dass Bitcoin lange Zeit nicht wieder Richtung Allzeithoch steigen wird?
Dazu, dass er bei Ethereum bullisch ist, habe ich nur ein paar Shitcoin-Klatschseiten gefunden: Ethereum News: Krypto-Experte prognostiziert Ethereum Kurs von 20.000 $
Was er damit begründet:

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Ethereum ETFs als massiver Katalysator

Dabei verweist Dr. Julian Hosp auf die Exchange Traded Funds für Ethereum, die seiner Auffassung nach das Kurspotenzial deutlich maximieren. Im Jahr 2023 könnten es die Ethereum Futures ETFs sein, in 2024 dann wiederum die Ethereum Spot ETFs.

Dabei vergisst er allerdings, dass solche Dinge bei Bitcoin ebenfalls demnächst anstehen.
Nun ja, vielleicht will er einfach nur seine ethereumbasierten Shitcoins anpreisen?  Cheesy

Aber warum er so negativ gegenüber Bitcoin eingestellt ist, habe ich auf die Schnelle nichts gefunden.


Das mit dem Kontraindikator wäre also durchaus realistisch.  Wink
778  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: 1miau special deal on: September 11, 2023, 08:00:34 PM
I confirm I am very curious what this is all about Undecided It's like a riddle, and I love riddles but hate not knowing the answer Cheesy
Hello LoyceV  Smiley

It's a really tough task to give a precise forecast of our 1miau special deal and probably you won't be much wiser after my post but I'll give it a try.
As mentioned in our description it's about a special deal, where real Bitcoin is involved.
Regarding the subject matter you probably know cryptofrka's and Trofo's famous ⭐⚽⭐ Sportsbet's Bitcointalk Sports Fanatics League (BSFL) – 7000+$ rewards ⭐⚽⭐. Trofo and cryptofrka really deserve some credit for their effort.
And our deal is different but based on sports as well. That's why buwaytress and slaman29 are involved here. They are two sports specialists and know a lot about that issue.  Smiley


779  Economy / Reputation / Re: Haunebu and 3kpk3 - merit system abuse on: September 11, 2023, 12:31:19 PM
One of the rules of participating Crypto.Games Signature Campaign:
4. Only one account per person is allowed. Alt accounts will be banned from campaign without getting paid during payday. Leave the campaign if any of your previous alt accounts were banned!

And COINS.GAME Signature Campaign
You, a person, are not allowed to enroll with more than one account.
It's just a rule relevant for each campaign, so if he enrolled both of his accounts in the same campaign, he would violate the rule and DT could tag him. However, since he just enrolled 1 Account for each campaign, he's not violating the rule. But could be interesting to follow (or to track) if he enrolled both Accounts in the same campaign in the past. If so, a negative Tag for Signature campaign abuse would be appropriate.

Edit: Solosanz and Little Mouse were faster, thanks for stepping in.

780  Economy / Reputation / Re: JollyGood is trusted by - and question. on: September 11, 2023, 01:12:51 AM
No doubt, some feedbacks are controversial but DT has a long history of that. Like Lauda, marlboroza, TMAN or many more. All of them good DT members and beneficial for the community but yes, controversial.

As a correction, Lauda isn't DT and hasn't consistently been DT since March 2020 - ignoring the few "lucky" weeks here and there - prior to leaving the forum 7 months later. She was kicked off DT long before leaving the forum, in case there was any doubt.
Well, I haven't stated any timeframe in my post.  Wink

Fair point I guess. I was going by the grammar of present tense. If you had used the past tense I wouldn't of said anything.
Yes, of course.
I'm also sure there are better examples than Lauda. If we really want to elaborate this, maybe marlboroza is a much better example here.
And marlboroza is still DT (DT2).


No need to take my dissertation too seriously or personally for that matter, it's been a while that I've read others claiming Lauda is a good DT member over the years - or simply a DT member - whereas neither is currently true, so thought I'd put my correction in there at some point.
Yes, I didn't specify that, maybe I should have worded it a bit better and elaborating it a bit more but since I've just written down some names quickly, I thought it's not necessary. I didn't want to write an extended DT history lesson.  Cheesy
I've removed Lauda at some point from my trust list as well, so I'm definitely not claiming here that Lauda still is a good DT member. But I would say despite Lauda's bad ending in DT, Lauda has been a good DT member for a long time by tagging a huge number of abusers over the years.
And there's always a risk that accounts will lose all of their red paint when formerly famous DT members get removed from DT indefinitely.


In summary, Lauda isn't a good example of controversial DT members, but more so an example of how you can go from one of the most trusted DT members (+30) to least trusted (-10) within a year, which is an impressive turnaround. Lauda remains the greatest example of how not to act when you are on DT if you want your feedback to remain trusted by default.
For most of the time, Lauda was a DT member until (as I remember correctly), Lauda was distrusted heavily in June 2019. DefaultTrust (Marketplace Trust) existed since 2013, with Lauda first time on DT probably around 2014 / 2015.
Therefore, I've added Lauda to my list. Maybe not a perfect example considering how it ended but until 2019 it's a good example.

I agree with you that up until 2019 Lauda was probably the best example of a controversial DT member, as one of the most controversial. Ironically it would be her downfall in the end.  Can't even remember what the mass distrusting of Lauda was back in 2019, but it wasn't until 2020 that she became excluded from DT for reference sake. She went from 30+ DT strength down to 0-10 in 2019 roughly, then reached -10 by 2020. I think it was around the time trust flags were introduced and she went a bit rogue with it, with Timelord highlighting her numerous incorrect uses of them (many flag references).
Yes, looks like Lauda lost most support in June 2019 but Lauda still got back into DT from time to time after that, maybe we have some experts on that case, why this happened exactly.
But Lauda's case is very unique in my opinion, where many established members were involved (big clusterfuck) and the distrust between them got too big at some point (and also the issue, where Lauda got distrusted massively, like you've pointed out).
Instead for JollyGood and Royse777 here I believe, a solution is much easier. There's not such a clusterfuck as for Lauda's cases, not even close.
Even in case of OP's negative trust won't be removed, a single negative feedback (or two, to be accurate, there's one from efialtis as well) won't matter much long-term. More positive feedbacks will be added on top and that's it.



I'm otherwise not intending to compare Lauda and JG here, as they are considerably different. JG has removed or amended feedback after criticism, which is something Lauda would never do. Just thought I'd provide some context regarding Lauda since you bought her up as a "good DT member", which couldn't be further from the truth, at least based on the raw data available regarding DT inclusion/exclusion.
That's true, I wouldn't compare JollyGood to Lauda as well, the only thing I wanted to point out is: DT has always been controversial and as we've seen from other cases, where JollyGood is involved, JollyGood also listens to community feedback to solve issues, which is a very important point in my opinion.

From what I've seen it's not community feedback that JG listens to, probably as it's not "the community" that maintains his DT status. It's only been those who have included him in their trust list (namely his DT1 sponsers) that he listens to. Otherwise there's basically no reason to listen or consider anything anyone else is saying, as it won't directly effect his DT status. That's my interpretation anyway.
I'm not sure for which case JollyGood reconsidered the tag because I've just noted in my book that JollyGood reconsidered the tag.
Maybe JollyGood still knows but as far as I can remember it's a case from 2023.

Because most of the time, when someone complains about JollyGood's feedback it's like that: a shitposter has shitposted somewhere and JollyGood has issued a negative (instead of a neutral) trust. The shitposter creates a topic in Reputation, complains and acts like he's completely innocent. And I don't like it at all, when shitposters are playing the victim card.
I've had that as well that some shitposters / abusers complained via PM to me to remove my (often just neutral) trust and there's a clear pattern where shitposters / abusers just play the victim card. They don't want to improve and I've read a lot of such cases being similar for JollyGood, where these shitposters don't show any commitment to improve. Yes, JollyGood has put some negative trusts on these accounts, where sometimes negative trust is not appropriate and a neutral trust should be chosen instead. But still, many shitposters / abusers acted like they are completely innocent. Take this case for example: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1114408
He complained, lied to DT and acted like he's completely innocent...
And for his case, a negative trust is well deserved after more evidence was presented.
That's why I can understand JollyGood in many cases (not related to JollyGood vs. Royse777 case of course).
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