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901  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] SuperNET - ICO conducted by BTER + ... on: September 12, 2014, 01:49:36 PM
supernet is a platform for providing anti-competition.  To innovate you need competition.  Supernet = anti innovation platform.  

You don't really get what superNET is yet I don't think.

Altcoins exist independently of superNET. SuperNET is a technology that allows people to access many different features and technologies from one wallet.

Think of superNET like the Google of the cryptoworld. It's a company that attempts to organize and present information and options to people who use cryptocurrencies. It also makes money like Google does by monetizing that information. In the last year there have been lots of amazing technologies developed in the cryptoworld. The problem is all of these technologies are fragmented among different cryptos making it difficult for the average person to use them, or even know that they exist. Decentralised asset exchanges and strong anonymous transactions are two examples of things you will be able to access right away from the superNET GUI that will be integrated in every wallet in every cryptocurrency that is a part of the superNET.

Over time people will continue to invent and develop new technologies on new cryptocurrenies. If I want to use these new technologies do I have go to an exchange sell a bunch of the coins I'm currently using and enjoying? No, because I can just continue to use them through the superNET and still have access to every feature on the network. When new technologies come out it will clearly be beneficial for them to join superNET as this will allow people to use the technology through the superNET. To the user it will be a simple and easy to use GUI where you make transactions like you would otherwise, but James' has developed multiple technologies like Teleport/Telepods, MGW, InstantDEX ect. that do all the buying, selling, and trading behind the scenes. Using superNET will be easy for people. SuperNET will also make money from fees and people paying a premium to have their services listed on the superNET GUI(most likely, these things are still to be worked out, but think Google with context specific and beneficial listings).

What would you rather have, 10 wallets on your computer holding different amounts of different cryptos, or would you rather just have one wallet that has access to the superNET where you have all of the services available to you on demand through a unified interface?
902  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: SuperNet, are you in? on: September 12, 2014, 11:29:11 AM
SuperNet is a collective of approved cryptocurrencies which will share a single architecture, and from what I understand, the capitalisation of SuperNet will comprise of a percentage of the approved cryptocurrencies within it, mitigating the risks if one of the coins doesn't succeed. Hopefully there'll be a mechanism to prune off such coins.

Who are the devs? And how many of them are involved?

James(jl777) is the core architect of superNET and has development support and assistance from crypto_zoidberg(Boolberry lead dev) and coinsolidation(Bitmark lead dev). As well as a team of 3 or 4 dedicated people working on the superNET GUI programming. And this will likely be expanded further as time goes on.
903  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: September 12, 2014, 08:59:44 AM
Este.  I'm not familiar with the setup of BTM (yes, I should read the github Smiley ) but DOGE had to be modified and forked to enable merge mining. Is BTM already set up to allow merge mining?


No, nothing specific has been set up in Bitmark for merge mining and I don't believe we will ever be an Aux-PoW mined(merge mined) currency like Doge is. But Bitmark should be able to take a similar role as Litecoin is doing with Doge, that is people mine BTM on the regular BTM network and also submit their blocks to Doge once our difficulty is at least as high as the difficulty on the Doge network.
904  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: September 12, 2014, 07:45:27 AM

hi, markers

https://github.com/simplecrypto/simplecoin

we can setup a simplebitmark pool mine merged coins.

I would hope that BTM does not go down the path of merged mining.  A coin will only have value if people are willing to expend resources to acquire it. As soon as you get them for free - well that is what they are worth.  The recent fork of DOGE is a good example.  Before merge mining the coin was worth 41 sat.  Now the nethash has multiplied by a factor of over 6 from 60 odd gh/s to 373 gh/s yet the coin is still only worth 41 sat. The is an effective over 80% devaluation of the coin.

People will merge mine coins like Dogecoin with Bitmark if they'd like to. With Bitmark having the actual PoW being done for it. I expect to see people mining BTM and DOGE together fairly soon.
905  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] SuperNET - ICO conducted by BTER + ... on: September 11, 2014, 08:33:56 PM
I like the risk vs reward. Also I think it's important to have adequate financial incentives in any business or similar venture. And this covers that.
906  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: September 11, 2014, 08:14:46 PM
For anyone who hasn't seen this yet, this is pretty cool:

Some early prototype marking buttons.

http://bitmark.co/bitmark.co/logo#
907  Economy / Services / Re: FortuneJack.com Signature Campaign – Earn 0.08 BTC!!! on: September 11, 2014, 07:38:07 PM
a) FortuneJack Username: EsteNuno
b) Forum Username: Este Nuno
c) Current Post Count and Member level: 2027 Sr. Member
908  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: ORA:: Logo submission & discussion thread on: September 11, 2014, 01:20:22 PM
number 2
909  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ORA::100% POS Free & Fair distribution|issued NXT AE on: September 11, 2014, 01:15:05 PM
Srr for the slack, voted to, realy like design nr. 5.

Same here.  EVERY Logo was great - really hard decission!

I am not a stakeholder, but 5.

LOL, I totally read this at first as "I'm not a[single] stake holder, but 5[as in I created 4 other sockpuppets]".

Tongue
910  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: rpietila Altcoin Observer on: September 10, 2014, 07:59:35 PM
I have parsed the ANN topics ...
Programmatically? Source code available?
Yes, in PHP. I did not make this code to be public so it's crap and pretty messy, but if you want it here it is anyway:
Code:
https://mega.co.nz/#!RgtBGYgL!Qg7n540VNadNhTa1eaIJj3xdDVCY79mqDROdfnjAI6c

Bit OT, but is there a reliable library that parses the forum (all of it)? Does anyone
know how eg http://blockchained.com/ works?

I'm also interested in this if anyone can point to some topic or answer directly? It's not only blockchained , one guy is running a completely paralel forum (https://bitcointa.lk/) with all afterward deleted posts, so that you can track if a user was removing his posts here.

I have a crazy idea to do a text mining / dictionary analysis on some users/threads. Is it possible for someone not having admin access, to extract threads from back-end not to parse the html?

I'm also interested in this, so I started a thread where we can go discuss it:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=777758

911  Other / Off-topic / libraries that parse the forum on: September 10, 2014, 07:59:19 PM
Looking for any info related to this. Bitcointa.lk might also be another option.
912  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] SuperNET - ICO conducted by BTER + ... on: September 10, 2014, 06:38:52 PM
To people wondering what superNET is I'll write a little description of how I expect it to be from the perspective of if I was actually using it. Hopefully jl777 or anyone else can correct any inaccuracies.



I load up my BitcoinDark wallet as I would normally, I have 1000 BTCD waiting for me as I expected. There's an extra button or tab that says 'enter superNET' on it. I have a few things I want to do today that take advantage of the superNET so I click on it. A separate GUI launches. I see a few different options, but the first thing I want to do is send a secure anonymous payment using the current best available anonyimity system, which happens to be integrated in Boolberry(BBR). Since anonymity is very important for this specific payment I'm making, I use the superNET GUI to create a transaction that will take advantage of James' Teleport technology which will enable me to send BBR with my BTCD without leaving my wallet. So I want to send 100 BTCD worth of BBR to the address of my choice, and I do so by creating this transaction in the superNET GUI in a way similar to sending any other standard crypto transaction. The 100 BTCD is automatically converted to BBR at market rate minus a small fee, which I'm more than willing to pay in this case to guarantee my anonymity.

So after I've finished my important business of sending that anonymous transaction, I take a look at the superNET GUI to see what's on offer today. I have the ability to purchase NXT assets directly through my BTCD wallet with BTCD. I notice that today there are some featured assets being displayed on my GUI(that the asset issuers pay a fee to superNET for to have listed as 'featured'). One of the assets I can purchase is tokens that correspond to one oz of silver. I had been meaning to to pick up some silver anyway, since I noticed the price was particularly low recently, so this is very convenient for me. I look in to the asset to make sure that each token you purchase through this NXT asset can be redeemed for one oz of real silver, and indeed they can be. Perfect. So now I have the question of trust, what is the reputation of this person issuing the silver asset? Are they known to be trustworthy? Luckily for me superNET has integrated Bitmark's 'marking' reputation system that will help me gauge whether or not the person issuing the asset can be trusted. Turns out this person has a lot of marks, so I'm pretty confident that I'll be able to redeem my silver tokens for real silver through the asset issuer. So I go ahead and make a few clicks and decide to purchase 50 BTCD worth of silver tokens thanks to James' MGW technology as well as his InstantDEX technology. I finish the transaction and in a few seconds I'm the owner of 50 BTCD worth of silver tokens that were purchased off the NXT distributed asset exchange.

Now that I've done the business I've set out to do I take a look at the superNET GUI once again and I see a link for PrivateBet. Feeling a bit lucky and still having 850 BTCD sitting in my wallet, I decide to try my luck for a little while to entertain myself. I gamble anonymously for a while with my BTCD. People who invested gain from my negative expectation bets while I'm entertained for a while.



Ok, so that was just a small example of how I see superNET working in the not too distant future. Each wallet of each currency that is part of the superNET will all be able to access and take advantage of all of these features from a single GUI that connects thousands of resources in to a single point of access(the superNET GUI).

This is why I think the superNET is an awesome idea and I think it has the potential to really bring a lot quality alternative currencies together in a way that benefits everyone.  Cool
913  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ORA::100% POS Free & Fair distribution|issued NXT AE on: September 09, 2014, 08:42:50 PM

For microtrust, I don't see any reliable way of knowing who ppl trust and who they don't.  For instance, I don't trust my bank, but I use them because it is too difficult to transfer all my services to another bank.  And, if I did, I know for a fact I would be faced with the same level of bad service I get now.  I can think of some major merchants that I dislike, but I still patronize their businesses for the sake of convenience, or because they have what I need and nobody else does.  My primary loyalty and trust is, however, price-based.  I usually buy the least expensive goods I can find, of equivalent quality.  And speaking of quality, raise your hand if you have been the victim of our disposable culture, where products you buy break within a week or two of normal use.


Technically, you may not 'trust' your bank, but as long as you let them handle at least small amounts of your money, even if just for the time it takes you to drive to an ATM and withdraw it, you're extending microtrust to them. Any service you purchase something from, or give them your credit card, you're extending microtrust to. You might only really 'trust' close friends and family members, but our societies commercial activity depends on microtrust already. Extending this to the crypto space will be a good thing, as in crypto the only person you really need to fully trust is yourself and the way you store your wallet. But sending a few dollars in crypto to a website so you can use their services can sense too. You only risk what you choose to transact.

Speaking of e-fiat, I noticed that Poloniex started trading in 'coinomat XUSD' which is interesting. Apparently you can redeem this XUSD to your visa or master card for real dollars. And I agree that all fiat will eventually only exist in electronic form. We're almost there already.
914  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: rpietila Altcoin Observer on: September 09, 2014, 04:57:58 PM
In light of the recent Satoshi hack it made me start thinking about the bitcoin "backup coin".

How long until from a technical perspective a cryptonote coin (Probably Monero or Boolberry) can handle the # of addresses & transaction volume of bitcoin?  (Knowing that litecoin COULD is partially where I believe it's value comes from)

That´s no problem to handle from a technical perspective.


So Monero can immediately handle 5 million accounts and 100,000 tx/day?

Well, to be fair such an exodus wouldn't exactly happen immediately. Many people would be in shock and take a while to decide to move on.
915  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: September 09, 2014, 04:34:33 PM
I've been thinking about marking a lot recently and I just want to braindump a couple of things here.

One thing that might be simple and useful for an adoption to have is to be able to open a 'vote box' where people vote by casting a a single mark(or more if it's multichoice or similar) in to a set of marks that is limited to one mark per one identity/account. Or in the case where one user can vote for multiple options the vote box would accept the correct amount of marks per user as specified by the creator of the poll. Also time settings could be used like vote with one mark per 24 hour period per user.

Another thing that I've mentioned before but is worth mentioning again is how important I think it will be for adoptions to have the ability to create 'coloured' marks. These would be anything from a single mark to a set of marks that are all tagged as having some unique property to them. They could represent anything that the issuer wanted to associate them with. One example that has come up before with marking is how you could identify a post as spam by risking a set amount of marks that you later receive back(with a possible bonus) if that post that you marked as spam is later determined by the moderator as an actual spam post. One issue came up is that if one were to receive a bonus amount of marks, say double the amount, for reporting spam, this feature could be abused by someone who submits spam on a separate account and collects free marks and games the system as a result. An alternative would be to award people who mark spam a special coloured mark instead, that signifies their contribution and also acts as a sort of record keeper. Say in this example you get a 'golden' mark for every successful reported spam post, the mark in itself will have a negligible value(could be a markbit in the future, or a full mark today) but it would represent an action done. Perhaps over time the administrator might review someone's work in marking spam posts, and if they feel it was a legitimate effort they could offer the user a reward of 10 marks per golden mark.

I think enabling the classification of marks this way expands on the 'gamefication' aspect of marking even more. Special coloured marks could be given to users for special events or to commemorate a certain event. This would be similar to the already popular concept of badges awarded by places like Steam. The difference here is the collection of these marks could be even more enticing as marks are actually a tangible digital good that can be traded and has value. If the first 100 people who purchase a popular game receive a special coloured mark commemorating that purchase and awarded by the game developer, you can safely assume that something like that would be cherished by some who value such things. And others who value them less will still enjoy the idea behind them since they now have the ability to trade things like these. This concept isn't new of course, people have been trading digital goods in games for almost twenty years now. But with marking we can add this layer on top of things that people generally don't consider games. And the fact that each mark is a tangible, cryptographically secure unit of value backed by a blockchain distributed among nodes all over the world gives these marks much more meaning then what a simple badge might represent.

916  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: September 09, 2014, 03:59:53 PM
This has nothing to do with the update Mark mentioned in the post above but here's a short article on Bitmark News:

http://bitmarknews.com/2014/09/09/quick-update-on-recent-events/
917  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: September 07, 2014, 05:54:24 PM
It's mutually beneficial to help support and promote a safe and secure environment for cryptocurrencies. If Bitmark can assist James and superNET in that way everyone wins.
918  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] SuperNET - ICO conducted by BTER + ... on: September 07, 2014, 05:37:04 PM
...failures to implicate jl777 in any wrong doing...

...

I am the anti-lawyer

James

Wow. That was pretty good.

People are really trying to take you down. No one has even come close. After reading this thread and watching the way you've handled this whole situation I can see why the NXT community is willing to trust you with millions of dollars.
919  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: rpietila Altcoin Observer on: September 07, 2014, 03:31:01 PM
Now wonder who have interest to weaken both XMR and BBR communities by playing them off against each other...

It is a kiss of DEATH to Bitcoin if some "there" try to quench the "competition".

The Monero camp is composed of large Bitcoin holders and if we collectively withdraw our support, at this point it means a steep dive for Bitcoin.

I did not even mention the possibility that other honest bitcoiners might also want to switch allegiance. I know there are many. Bitcoin attracts scammers but also honest people.

Seriously...... I am trying to understand what you are saying, but it seems you are suggesting that a few big bitcoin holders can collectively tank Bitcoin. If this is the case, then Bitcoin is the biggest scam ever.
 

Prisoners dilemma

It's a not so thinly veiled threat. In short;  What is being alluded to is since XMR camp is composed of large BTC holders, if certain competing CN groups attempt to attack XMR, the XMR camp will strike back by driving the value of BTC down (which generally crashes the value of all alts) , not to mention your 'unrealised' gains in fiat from whatever BTC you might happen to own.

I'm curious as to which large BTC holders are invested in to XMR other than the ones we know of from this thread?
920  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: rpietila Altcoin Observer on: September 07, 2014, 02:57:36 PM
Now wonder who have interest to weaken both XMR and BBR communities by playing them off against each other...

It is a kiss of DEATH to Bitcoin if some "there" try to quench the "competition".

The Monero camp is composed of large Bitcoin holders and if we collectively withdraw our support, at this point it means a steep dive for Bitcoin.

I did not even mention the possibility that other honest bitcoiners might also want to switch allegiance. I know there are many. Bitcoin attracts scammers but also honest people.

Seriously...... I am trying to understand what you are saying, but it seems you are suggesting that a few big bitcoin holders can collectively tank Bitcoin. If this is the case, then Bitcoin is the biggest scam ever.

I have always held that old holders have to divest theirs coins for Bitcoin to move forward, I think your statement makes me certain of that sentiment now.

Please sell your stash asap so we can all move along.

Yes...the suggestion that there is a 'group' of holders 'supporting' the price (or able to influence it) might have held water in 2011, but not now.

What a strange thing to say: even if it was true, revealing it on a public forum would be foolish and reckless.

Public forum? See the Washington Post article! Tongue

It's not like this is a secret! Come on. It's always been like this and it will always be like this. There is nothing anyone can do.

The point is not that a few people can impact the price. The point is that old-holders are arrogant enough to use that impact as a threat on the community in general, and worse that anyone actually listens to them. Yes, the price would tank if big holders dumped. But it is those very holders that have created a cloud over Bitcoin. Old holders need to dump so we can get rid of their egos and their BS and their manipulation. Bitcoin will be just fine and would almost certainly explode shortly thereafter.

I have also said elsewhere that the Satoshi coins are completely ignored by everyone these days. They represent the single biggest problem for Bitcoin, if Satoshi is alive he is doing the worst he possibly can for Bitcoin by keeping those coins as they are. He should give away 95% of them to all active addresses and sell the rest right away.

Should the Bitcoin org be doing everything it can right now to stifle the competition???, absoFinglutely. But it should be doing so by doing its own innovation.



Yes, the Satoshi coins are a big problem for Bitcoin's future. Having question marks surrounding such a large amount of the money supply effectively limits the growth potential with regard to serious investors like banks and governments. People like to ignore that for now, but eventually questions will be asked.

Bitcoin doesn't view itself in any sort of competition. The organizations and people that currently run Bitcoin collectively do not see Bitcoin as a business obviously, nor should they really. What effect that will have on Bitcoin in the long run remains to be seen. The market will decide all of that. But don't expect much innovation from Bitcoin. Bitcoin will probably just end up laying the groundwork for whatever currencies succeed in the long run. It will probably always hold some value unless there is some major technical issue or attacks.
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