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1381  Other / Serious discussion / Re: Code of Conduct in Exchanges: The Crypto Constitution (+ Terms of Use screening) on: June 22, 2018, 07:01:31 PM
I disagree. By using the exchange you are accepting their terms. As a consumer you have every ability to not accept their terms. You can choose not to trade on an exchange if you disagree with their terms.

The exchange cannot chose the customers that sign up. Their terms determine which customers they can exclude and why.

(...)

I agree completely and I am quite happy and surprised to read your comments.

However, I must precise that this post and the other post with the T&C analysis, which you have also discovered in the meantime, were actually originally in one and the same post. Eventually I decided to cut them in two parts. I probably should have reformulated some parts of my OP. If you take in account the fact that CoinExchange does not respect its own terms (which is now in the other thread) for removing coins, my comments above would probably sound a lot more logical. Or as I marked in the other thread:

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One cannot run around applauding decentralization all day long and then start whining and crying for mummy and government protection, because one didn't even bother reading 3 pages of text...

Nonetheless, "Pacta sunt servanda", as the Romans said, and if these exchanges don't respect their own T&C, leaving you no legal way to get your rights respected, we are all the way back to corporatism, and not free market.

Reality is however, that you seem to be one of the only people on this forum who care or who take these remarks seriously. I think Satoshi was member of a very small minority of libertarians. But let's stay optimistic and look at what's ahead: only future will tell.
1382  Local / Nederlands (Dutch) / Re: Merit in Nederlandstalige community on: June 22, 2018, 09:56:31 AM
volgens mij ontvangen wij liever dan dat wij zaken weggeven. Of dat iets nederlands is weet ik niet.
En nee, dit is niet mijn beste post Smiley

Wel, het enthousiasme voor ontvangen lijkt mij anders ook niet zo groot want de hoeveelheid verzoeken na mijn post is toch behoorlijk beperkt, vind ik. Het Nederlandse forum is simpelweg niet druk bezocht.

Ik heb nog steeds Merits uit te delen, dus wie nog leuke posts te belonen heeft, post je links hieronder.

De overschot zal ik uitdelen in de andere forums, maar dat is net wat ik probeerde te vermijden met mijn OP...
1383  Other / Serious discussion / Re: Thorough analysis: Terms&Conditions & Privacy on crypto exchanges !BE WARNED! on: June 22, 2018, 07:03:15 AM
Good work, also funny to read, even when it is a serious topic, the way you wrote it truly make me smile. Thanks, that could be a boring issue and you turned it into a good reading.

Thx. Took me quite some time, so very glad to see you've appreciated the work.


What`s your opinion on the Poloniex issue? I mean: recently they implemented new requirements to their users, as personal information even for small amounts, or even a pick of their faces. All the users have their accounts locked, along with their funds, as long as they do not accomplish the recent new requirements. I`ve been searching on the internet about that, but nothing seems to be happening, so has Poloniex all the right to do that?
What`s going to happen with all those funds? Is Poloniex keeping them?
Are the other exchanges going by the same way?

Since you ask for my opinion, here goes: I think Poloniex is trying to play along with the big ones and tries to become a real crypto bank and to try and avoid any fraud and scams. From that point of view, I think all steps it has been taking in the last months and year are logical. I'm not saying acceptable - but that's a matter of opinion -, only logical. If anything goes wrong with your coins, at least you're protected by law and its institutes. That's not my libertarian "dream scenario" - at all - but at least it gives you a lot more certainty than, say, CoinExchange or Mercatox...

Sadly, I cannot check their Terms and Conditions from before, but I suppose the possibility to keep the funds locked was probably mentioned. Otherwise people would have effectively proceeded to court actions, which has not been the case (yet). Of course, if you want to go to court, you'll have to identify yourself anyway. So if anonymity is your problem, you're trapped Smiley I cannot warn people enough: if for any reason you want to remain anonymous or discrete in the crypto world, READ THE FRIGGING TERMS BEFORE SIGNING UP, PEOPLE!!! One cannot run around applauding decentralization all day long and then start whining and crying for mummy and government protection, because one didn't even bother reading 3 pages of text... At least I've been trying to make these long and boring terms and policies a little bit more readable. Wink

I believe people behind exchanges should have the same possibility of remaining anonymous, but in no way should this be a blank cheque to do whatever pleases them, with other people's crypto money. If not, it's not free market or decentralization, but theft.

So yup, this fairly new decentralized crypto world has created quite some interesting challenges on many levels, not the least on a legal level. Many of these issues, I have been reflecting on for months, but for a lot of them, I do not seem to have found any satisfying solutions (yet Smiley ).

As a final comment, I'd suggest - as I said in my other thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3759212 - creating private (decentralized) arbitrator institutions, instead of courts and governments laws to treat any conflict between users and exchanges (or ICOs or projects etc.).


NB: I'll add an analysis of Poloniex' Terms and Conditions in a few days.
1384  Local / Nederlands (Dutch) / Re: Mooi moment om Eth en Btc te halen? on: June 22, 2018, 06:11:19 AM
Ik ben al maanden aan het hodlen. Als je de posts van de laatste dagen naast die van februari legt, zien die er net hetzelfde uit. 'Ik denk, ik hoop, volgens mij' etc. En vervolgens is de prijs alleen maar gezakt...

De verwachte stijging van juni is er ook niet gekomen. Maja, we hebben nog 8 dagen te gaan voor het einde van juni hé. Roll Eyes

Momenteel veel te onzeker, deze markt. Ik heb in crypto een bedrag geïnvesteerd dat hoog genoeg is om goed aan te dikken, indien de boel alsnog opnieuw lekker de hoogte in gaat, en laag genoeg om achteraf lachend aan de kinderen te kunnen zeggen: "ik was erbij en ben alles kwijtgespeeld", mocht het faliekant aflopen.

En ik heb mij voorgenomen dat voorlopig zo te houden, en niet toe te geven aan de verleiding extra geld te investeren op een zoveelste (fake) "dip".
1385  Other / Meta / Re: let's cut the bullshit on: June 20, 2018, 05:52:49 AM
Don't know why you're feeding OP guys.

"Report to moderator" would've done the job...
1386  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: John McAfee President? on: June 17, 2018, 05:31:35 PM
Uh guys.

John McAfee already ran for president two years ago.

Some of you guys... I sometimes wonder if you've ever opened a book in your life.
1387  Other / Off-topic / Re: Merit System Upgrade on: June 14, 2018, 04:14:51 PM
I don't really have any merit so far, so would greatly appreciate some.
To avoid looking like a pointless beggar, here's my take on bitcoin:
I respect bitcoin a lot (and holding on it till it gets to at least $35K). But I do think that Bitcoin in the (foreseeable) future will become the analog of GBP. It's one of the most expensive currencies in the world, one of the oldest, and very much respected.
But Ethereum blockchain has much more versatility, and more bells and whistles, so in my opinion it's destined to be the same as USD: hated by many, but used never the less.
(Hope I didn't crew up my merit chances Smiley.

I try not to write more than necessary, unless when I can't resist my feelings of cynicism, when reading another useless post.

QED.
1388  Other / Off-topic / Re: Merit System Upgrade on: June 14, 2018, 04:10:14 PM

You’re still mainly an altcoin supporter and don’t really qualify according to the rules of this thread. I do however see a massive change in you since we last spoke and a genuine desire to help the forum. Keep working along those lines and you should have no problem ranking up. I easily found 20 posts that could have received at least 1 merit if the right person read them. 20 merit awarded.

Appreciated. Not sure if I'm "still mainly an altcoin supporter", but I've indeed been reading and participating everywhere on the forum. I think my basics haven't changed: I try not to write more than necessary, unless when I can't resist my feelings of cynicism, when reading another useless post. My portfolio has not changed one satoshi since February though, so still mainly BTC and LTC!

You might find it interesting to know that I've actually learnt a lot from your thread, by simply tracking your Merits and reading every single post you've rewarded in the last months. I should add this guideline to my Newbie DYOR Checklist: "Read the topics QA has rewarded". Grin

Sadly only 120 days visible... Smiley
1389  Other / Meta / Re: merit and banned on: June 14, 2018, 04:01:36 PM
Just another guy polluting this forum with a spam post which he will never look back to.

Interestingly, the first thread he opened, 2 days after signing up to this forum, was this one, in the "Politics and Society" forum:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3154050

Topic: "robert lewandowski is my idol"

Read 5 times. No reply.

Poor tuanphuong666.
1390  Other / Off-topic / Re: Merit System Upgrade on: June 14, 2018, 03:37:59 PM
Quite glad to see this topic is still on-going. In all modesty, looking back to my first posts in this thread back in February, I think I've 'grown' quite a bit as a BTCTalk user. Not only by actively reporting spammers and scammers, but also by really trying to participate and invest a bit of my personal knowledge and experience in the forum for Newbies, as well as for the usual suspects on this forum. It's become an agreeable habit to visit this forum daily when I get home from work. I've also become a lot better at filtering out spam posts automatically... Tongue

I humbly present some options QA, thanking you again in advance for your support (if any). Without even talking about Merit, I honestly think my proposition for a community-driven Code of Conduct for exchanges, ICOs and other crypto projects deserves A LOT more attention, but I'll leave that opinion up to you and the other members. Uptil today TOO MANY PEOPLE get ripped off by ICO scammers and scammy exchanges. They make rules for you to follow, but no rules for themselves. But maybe I am just fighting against windmills or maybe the idea that - as a community - we can create regulations and codes without having to cry to get help from governments and law-makers, is just a naive dream... I am in good company though, cuz I am sure I am sharing this dream with Satoshi.


Deep analysis from terms & conditions & privacy policy from several popular crypto exchanges:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4466328
This was actually a huge task. I've divided every exchange analysis in 5 topics: Terms&Conditions, Privacy Policy, Add Coin/Ico Policy, Coin Removal Policy and Fee Transparency. I think some of these results are really unacceptable and as a consequence I've immediately taken my coins away from some of these exchanges and closed my accounts (if possible...).


Let's work together as a community to create a Crypto Code of Conduct / Crypto Constitution:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3759212


Short and easy checklist for newbies: how to DYOR and how to recognize scams:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4388247


And to finish lightly, a little bit of scam sarcasm:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3482608.msg38620337#msg38620337
(just kidding Wink )


Sadly, some of these threads disappear too fast in the huge stream of Merit and shill threads. Or maybe no-one cares, but me. That's also a possibility. Smiley
1391  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: John McAfee President? on: June 14, 2018, 01:40:25 PM
I think John McAfee plays the game perfectly from an investor's point of view. But "Do your own research" does not mean you should blindly follow everything McAfee says.

Further on, he's a good libertarian, so I would be supporting him as a candidate for the presidency. Last year, he lost the pre-elections against Gary Johnson, who actually obtained a good result in the elections for the Libertarian Party.  
1392  Other / Serious discussion / Thorough analysis: Terms&Conditions & Privacy on crypto exchanges !BE WARNED! on: June 13, 2018, 06:02:56 PM
I keep this topic self-moderated FOR ANTI-SPAM REASONS ONLY.


***MOST RECENT UPDATE: 2019/11/01: SMALL UPDATE FOR COINEXCHANGE***
***MOST RECENT UPDATE: 2019/11/01: NEW UPDATE FOR CRYPTOPIA and COINEXCHANGE***
***MOST RECENT UPDATE: 2019/08/11: NEW UPDATE FOR NAUTICUS***
***MOST RECENT UPDATE: 2019/04/25: NEW UPDATE FOR MERCATOX 3. and BINANCE 2. and 5. and minor changes/updates to BINANCE 3. and 4.***
***MOST RECENT UPDATE: 2018/12/27: NEW EXCHANGE: NAUTICUS.EXCHANGE***
***MOST RECENT UPDATE: 2018/12/02: NEW UPDATE FOR CRYPTOPIA 3. 4. and 5.***
***MOST RECENT UPDATE: 2018/10/25: NEW UPDATE FOR COINEXCHANGE 1. 2. 3. and 4.***
***MOST RECENT UPDATE: 2018/08/15: NEW UPDATE FOR CRYPTOPIA'S 1.***


I am not an IT wonder professor or a rocket scientist, but I've got quite a bit of legal experience. I've used this to do some research in the last weeks to make a somewhat deeper analysis of the TERMS AND CONDITIONS and PRIVACY POLICY of some popular exchanges. Most of the times it was really boring - the usual stuff, trying to limit liability as much as possible - but I discovered some really funny formulations and Kafkaesque errors, too. From a user's/customer's point of view, am I the only one who finds some of these results extremely disturbing?

I think we really need to create a community-made code of conduct. Check my OP from some weeks ago. I honestly think this idea deserves larger support.

KuCoin came out as undisputed number one when it comes to trustworthy, solid terms of use, finding a perfect balance between customer rights and liability, whilst fully respecting our privacy. On the other side of the spectrum, I am not sure who should win the price of worst user protection, but I think CoinExchange is one of the strongest contenders in this category.


* MERCATOX:

1. Terms of Use:

- You are responsible for this, you are solely responsible for that etc. They are liable for nothing and you have to respect all their rights, such as copyrights, property rights etc.

- They can kick you out if you behave in a way they find "inappropriate or unlawful". No definition so this is pure arbitrariness.

- In case of conflict, they will settle "by means of negotiation". If no solution is found, it will be settled by "the Court of the principal place of business of the Service". It is not marked where the principal place of business is to be found. In case you're interested: they are based in London. I had to do a search and found the information on the (official) UK Companies House: click here.

- They can change, stop, suspend their services at any time, even without notice. They are - of course Roll Eyes - not liable for doing so.

- This is probably a copy-paste text, because there's actually a hilarious error in this text - point 8 Limitation of Liability: "The Company, its affiliates or its partners be liable (directly or indirectly) for any losses or damages whatsoever, whether direct, indirect, general, special, compensatory, consequential, and/or incidental, arising out of or relating to the conduct of you or anyone else in connection with the use of the Service." They are actually saying (in bad English) that they "be liable". Sadly, it's probably only a typo, so don't get your hopes up of getting any rights out of that. Smiley

2. Privacy Policy:

They have the right to take your name and e-mail address and pass them on to other parties as well as governments. Etc.

3. Adding coins / ICO:

The information about adding coins through payment or by voting, and even the adding of ICOs is clearly marked on its site.

4. Coin Removal Policy:

I did not find any info about this, but feel free to let me know.

5. Fees:

Mercatox communicates clearly about its fees for trading and withdrawal.


* COINEXCHANGE:

COINEXCHANGE CLOSED DOWN ON DECEMBER 1ST 2019.

1. Terms of Use:

I think they invented or copy-pasted most of this stuff themselves. I'll remain polite and say it sounds pseudo-legal. It's some kind of legally-sounding text, formulated in a bit of an amateurish way, sometimes even contradicting themselves, probably in an effort to try to dismiss as much liability as possible. Wink Or maybe they were afraid of copyright claims for copying other people's Terms of Use. Cool

- You are responsible for this, it is prohibited to that etc. Again, the predictable terms that they are liable for nothing and you have to respect all their rights, such as copyrights, trademarks etc.

- They can terminate or suspend your access to the exchange at any time, even without notice and are - again Roll Eyes - not liable for doing so. They can do this for any reason! In that case, they also "reserve the right to remove or delete any information that you may have on file with us, including any account or login information".

- They can remove any content that does not comply to the terms "in their judgment". Again pure arbitrariness. By the way, if they do remove something, you consent to that removal. "Yes Sir, we removed your content, and the terms say you did consent. We are the brain police." Funny stuff. Grin

- In case of conflict, the laws and courts of the State of New South Wales (which is not a country but a state in Australia) are applicable. Hereunder, this had already been confirmed thanks to the help of BTCtalk member xtraelv.

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- In case of conflict, "the statutes and laws of our state" will be applied. And conflicts will be solved by "the federal or state courts". Nowhere is it mentioned which state that is, nor which state's courts. Maybe I have been in the legal business for too long, or maybe I simply have a bad sense of humor, but I find this hilarious. Did some research. Not too much, though. Didn't find where CoinExchange is based.

2. Privacy Policy:

And there's finally a page with a privacy policy (again). Looks ok. Nothing spectacular, and as you read above, you will be protected by the privacy laws that are applied by the State of New South Wales.

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In their terms, CoinExchange claims that "Your privacy is very important to us". However, if you hit the link to their policy, you are transferred to a blank page which mentions only the text: "The resource you are looking for has been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable."

Taking the above into account, we now already know we actually consented to the removal of the privacy policy. LMAO.

3. Coin Acceptance policy:

Clear information about how you could apply to get your coin or tokens listed on CoinExchange. There's also more technical information about the supported platforms on CoinExchange.

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Coin Acceptance policy:

It gets even funnier. First they claim to have high standards (coins concerning "innovations" and "science, humanity and the environment"), but next to that, they "also believe in letting the free market sort out which coins should thrive and survive". Oh and lastly, "We also accept paid listings". In short, they'll just list any crappy coin.

4. Coin Removal policy:

"Coin halts and delisting’s from CoinExchange.io will be published in the News section of the website and a notice will be placed on the top of the currency market page." They have also created a separate page where upcoming delistings are published, which can be easily found in the basic Menu on the website.

However, once again, if the terms say delistings will be published in the News section, they have to publish it in the News section and not on a separate page. Sigh.

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OLD VERSION:
Coin Removal policy:

On the same page, you will find their Coin Removal Policy. They claim to leave you 30 days at least. They also say that "All coin removals from CoinExchange.io will be advertised in the News section of the website and on Twitter." This means that if you are a long-term hodler, you have to check regularly if your coin is not being delisted, to prevent it from being lost to you forever. Moreover, there has been no removal announcement in their News section since 2017 and their Twitter account has been suspended for several months now. Nonetheless, several coins have been removed since. So these coins have been removed in a way that is in conflict with their own conditions.

5. Fees:

The applied fees for trading and withdrawal are clearly marked.


* BINANCE:

1. Terms of Use:

- The same good old non-liability formulations.

- The terms of use have "the legal effect as a legal contract", they say. However, it is nowhere marked where you should go, should they not respect their obligations. Well, I know, they have no obligations, right? You're the only one who does! I mean, I do understand that exchanges do not want to be responsible for the mistakes of their users, but at least have some dignity, respect these people who are your customers and want to have certain rights and certitudes without risking to be kicked out or suspended "at Binance’s sole discretion, without any prior notice, for whatsoever reason, and Binance shall not be liable to you; however, Binance shall have the right to keep and use the transaction data, records and other information that is related to such account". So yes. They have rights.

- They ask you to "refer to the company and license information at the bottom of the website of Binance for the information regarding the operator of Binance". I do not see this info at the bottom of the website, but maybe that's just me.

- Finally, watch out, because: "Binance shall have the right to delete, at the same time of suspension or termination of services, information related to any un-traded coin tokens that you have uploaded to Binance prior to the suspension or termination."

2. Privacy Policy:

The content and reasons of the collected information are clearly stated. Binance "will not disclose or provide any personal information to third party sources without review from our legal case team and/or prior consent from the user". Understand well that the "and/or" means they will not necessarily ask for your prior consent, if the legal case team says 'go for it'.

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Looks quite kosher to me. Binance will not share your private info without your consent. That's good news.

3. Coin Adding Policy:

No conditions found. You have to fill in a form to apply.

4. Coin Removal Policy:

No info found. Feel free to let me know, should you have any.

5. Fees:

The fees are clearly marked for trading and [deposit/]withdrawal. [There's also a chapter about fee structure in the support pages, which is about the same as the information on the general "Fees" page.]


* KUCOIN:

1. Terms of Use:

These are by far the most acceptable Terms of Use I've seen during my research, and I believe KuCoin is setting a standard which should be the absolute minimum for any exchange. In a nutshell, the standard liability and non-liability formulations. In general, your account can only be suspended or terminated in case of agreement breach. "In the event of termination, KuCoin will return any Funds stored in your KuCoin Account not otherwise owed to KuCoin, unless KuCoin believes you have committed fraud, negligence or other misconduct".

KuCoin settles disputes through arbitration, which will be passed on to the "Hong Kong Court of International Arbitration". I do prefer private institutions, though.

Nonetheless, Kudos for this, KuCoin.

2. Privacy Policy:

I was very surprised to see that here also, your rights are well respected. No personal info will be shared without consent. Even the application of the brand new European GDPR is mentioned, so these policies are perfectly kept up-to-date.

3. Coin Adding Policy:

No conditions found. A form needs to be filled in by applicants.

4. Coin Removal Policy:

No info found.

5. Fees:

Fees are clearly marked on their website.


* IDEX:

1. Terms of Use:

These Terms of Use look regular and acceptable. IDEX also settles its disputes through arbitration in Panama courts.

2. Privacy Policy:

You'll find the privacy policy on the same page as the Terms of Use. Nothing shocking here either. Your rights are well reserved and no info will be shared without your consent. No info about the European GDPR thought, which is probably the only detail that made KuCoin the winner of my analysis.

3. Coin Adding Policy:

You can find a PDF document online, containing the guidelines for new coins. A form needs to be filled in by applicants.

4. Coin Removal Policy:

No info found.

5. Fees:

Fees are clearly marked on the bottom of their website. You only pay for trades, but you have to add a gas fee for each transaction.


* ETHERDELTA:

1. Terms of Use:

Only a very short Disclaimer on the website. As it is a decentralized exchange, it is probably useless to add EtherDelta to this list. There is no risk of some group or owner running of with your coins by abusing their terms of use.

2. Privacy Policy:

Since EtherDelta is a decentralized exchange, based on a smart contract, you probably haven't shared any personal information with this site. Nonetheless, if for some reason you did, I did not find a privacy policy.

3. Coin Adding Policy:

No conditions found. It's decentralized. If you know how to do it, anyone can add one.

4. Coin Removal Policy:

Idem dito.

5. Fees:

Gas fees for transactions are clearly marked on a separate Reddit post.


* BITFINEX:

1. Terms of Use:

Very detailed legal definitions, probably to avoid any interpretative discussion. Courts of the British Virgin Islands intervene in case of a dispute. Looks normal and regular.

2. Privacy Policy:

Everything you need for the protection of your personal info. There's an extra mention that even internally, your info is only to be used by employees who need it for the exchange.

3. Coin Adding Policy:

On its support page, Bitfinex says that "Several factors go into our decision-making process when considering adding a new token to Bitfinex. Some of these factors include user requests, shareholder interest, market capitalization, token design parameters, and a thorough assessment of the token's development process; including, but not limited to, the team behind the coin and their strategies for solving technical and nontechnical problems.

We continue to monitor these factors and make prudent decisions to keep our customers' best interests in mind."

4. Coin Removal Policy:

No info found.

5. Fees:

Maker and taker fees are clearly marked on the website.


* CRYPTOPIA:

CRYPTOPIA WENT BANKRUPT & IS CURRENTLY IN LIQUIDATION - CHECK THE WEBSITE TO (MAYBE) GET YOUR COINS BACK

1. Terms of Use:

- recent updates confirm your rights as protected under the New Zealand Consumer Laws. Terms have become more transparent, containing a glossary with legal definitions, as well as a link in case you consider filing a complaint.
- liability definitions and limitations have become more transparent as well; following their clause 12.1(d) their liability is limited to 5000$ (which, I'd say, are Kiwi dollars, not USD).

2. Privacy Policy:

Looks fine and transparent. I do not know New Zealand's 1993 Privacy Act, but I suppose it contains all necessary protection to not have your home address and mobile phone number published on Times Square's billboards. Also, another link is available for filing a complaint in case you feel your rights have been violated.

3. Coin Adding Policy:

Cryptopia offers several Coin Listing Services. Under Support, more information can be found about the demands and conditions to get your coin listed. The info is actually very detailed and also includes info about swaps, airdrops, forks etc.

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Cryptopia has its own system to add and promote new coins, called "Paytopia".

4. Coin Removal Policy:

"(I)n most situations we will give at least 30 days notice via a Help Centre article, market and coin info notice and an email sent to all holders of coins in delisting status 4-weeks, 2-weeks and 48-hours prior to a coin being fully delisted." All pending delistings are clearly marked on a separate page.

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Cryptopia aims to announce the delisting of a coin by e-mail to all of its holders at least 1 month before its delisting. All pending delistings are clearly marked on a separated page.

5. Fees:

Cryptopia has added a link to the trading and withdrawal fees, which can be found on the bottom of Cryptopia's website.

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OLD VERSION:
I had to go the Help Center to find out which trading and withdrawal fees are applied by Cryptopia.


* NAUTICUS.exchange:

TRADING HAS HALTED FOLLOWING SECURITY BREACH - WITHDRAWAL ISSUES - BE WARNED

1. Terms of Use:

These Terms of Use look regular and acceptable. Interesting to know is that - like very often - your account can be suspended or terminated "in appropriate circumstances and at our discretion" (I am not sure if both go together Cheesy), however: "Upon termination, you must provide details for a valid bank account to allow for the transfer of any currencies credited to your account." Meaning you will not lose your coins if they do.

Further on, the usual liability (or should I say: non-liability) disclaimers and warnings. In case of legal disputes, the courts of the Australian State of Victoria are competent. FYI, the company's name is NEX Markets PTY Limited. You'll find more info about the company in the Australian company register.

I must admit that I am impressed with the fact that there is a clear "Make a complaint" information page.

2. Privacy Policy:

Privacy policy is quite clear, containing also more details about what kind of information is being saved about the users. Further on, Australia's privacy laws are applicable. As a European, I am a bit surprised to see the phrase "We reserve the right to charge a fee for searching for and providing access to your information." I have no idea if Australian privacy laws allow charging a fee for accessing your information. I am however 100% sure that this is not allowed under the European GDPR.

For privacy freaks (like me), there's also a detailed Cookie Policy available.

3. Coin Adding Policy:

No info found (yet?).

4. Coin Removal Policy:

No info found (yet?).

5. Fees:

Fees are clearly marked on the bottom of their website, for crypto and fiat money, since Nauticus also works with fiat.



Feel free to ask if you want me to screen any other exchange for you. Also, let me know should there be any errors or updates in these exchange's policies!
1393  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Newbie checklist: how to DYOR (and recognize scams from miles away)? on: June 13, 2018, 04:30:40 PM
thanks for this, its a great deal for me, had an experience after buying the coin, it was locked for going to 1 year and after a while the site wasn't forth opening again. It was an eye opening for me because I really put in enough for it. I had to learn in a hard way but all the same it thought a valuable lesson to always do enough investigation before you venture into an ICO

You wouldn't be the first one who got scammed in the beginning or got tricked in believing in some useless coin's potential by shillers who only want to sell their own coins for the highest possible price. These lessons sometimes can be very expensive... It's better to play around a bit with a very low amount, trying out several different exchanges before really investing in several different coins. Don't fall into the FOMO trap. As you can see: waiting has been a lot more interesting lately than buying...
1394  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What happens if we die? on: June 12, 2018, 08:03:58 PM
It is a good question raised by this fellow, our private key and all our information can b known to our next of kin because death is inevitable so that we will not lost even after death

This fellow was actually wondering about the economical consequences of cryptocoins disappearing slowly, but nobody seems to give a shit and doesn't even bother reading the other posts and replies in this thread, clearly stating it's about ECONOMY and not about your will.

Of course you need someone to have access to your keys if you don't want your coins to be lost. We really don't need 10 frigging pages of posts to figure that out.

But WHAT ARE THE ECONOMICAL CONSEQUENCES IF THESE COINS GET LOST SLOWLY?

I hope it will be clearly readable now.

Mental note: never forget to self-moderate topic again.
1395  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] HAT.Exchange | IFS | P2P CRYPTO-FIAT EXCHANGE on: June 12, 2018, 10:30:05 AM
So every other coin project in the whole wide world is using its Twitter, Bitcointalk, Reddit, Medium, or whichever account to its post news. But HAT absolutely needs to post its news on a Telegram account that has less than 500 members.

Why?

Could HAT's devs just act like normal people?

Thanks in advance for acting like normal people.



It takes a bit of time to even check the mentioned platforms if they have posted news or not before commenting here. i believe you are the one whos not acting like a normal person.

Thanks in advance for not acting like normal people.

Paid shiller? *insulted newbie warning*  Kiss

You are acting like paid fudder dude. Please do your homework correctly. I am one of HAT community member & I've all rights to defend when guys like you trying to spread fake news.  

Thanks, you're a hero! Could you tell the community members which fake news I have been spreading?

Are you saying the HAT team uses Twitter, Bitcointalk, Reddit or Medium? If not, I was actually telling real news, not fake.

Thx!
1396  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Another bull run in the making. on: June 12, 2018, 10:21:05 AM
I think, I believe, I'm sure, I hope blah blah blah...

This is pure speculation as the thousands of other useless threads on this forum.

There's only one certainty in this market: it is completely unpredictable.

I've seen and read and heard gamblers, economists, technical analysts, investors and so on, and they were ALL WRONG.

The only right solution is hodl your coins and don't look at them for years.
1397  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: What do you think of the current market? on: June 11, 2018, 06:29:00 PM
I think in the current market situation, it's still a good time to buy some / to get in, hold and don't look at your coins for 2 years. Current volatility will drive you crazy if you constantly check your coins! Shocked
1398  Other / Meta / Re: Merit system fact on: June 08, 2018, 11:31:52 AM
Great. A merit thread. Exactly what this forum needed.
1399  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] eBTC | The New (ERC20) Bitcoin on: June 08, 2018, 10:38:26 AM


I am quite sure it will be pumped again and will raise along with other altcoins. That's how it works in crypto. Look at many other shitcoins who move along, too, just being traded like a casino.

(...)

Yes, you might just as well just play the lottery and you might have a better chance at winning. I would stay away from eBTC.


Don't get me wrong, I am NOT shilling this coin or anything. But this world is still filled with people who just follow prices and evolutions without using their brain, without knowing what it's about and without doing even a second of DYOR. Look at the huge number of shitcoins on exchanges like CoinExchange. People are actually buying that...

So everything's possible. Some people will just buy anything at any price... It's stupid but I believe it's a fact.

NB: Of course I do agree it's in this case just like gambling in a casino.
1400  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What happens if we die? on: June 08, 2018, 09:46:36 AM
All in all, this is still an interesting existential question  Smiley I'm not sure you can mention your bitcoins in your will, although this would be a good option. But I hope I'm able to leave my keys to a close person before I die. Given that I have a chance to prepare for death. Otherwise the coins will be probably lost forever, and it's a shame

I understand that many people would not like to see their money disappear after their death, but the purpose of my OP was to discuss the economical consequences of the fact that BTC will be disappearing along the way.

Will this bring more value to the crypto concept or could this mean a possible destruction of the concept?
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