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7061  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 26, 2014, 03:31:15 PM

We’re the backbone of the entire Bitcoin industry,” says Kodrič, 25, who’s wearing a black t-shirt with “Zero Excuses” in fluorescent green capital letters. “The wallet services, ATM machines, mining companies all rely on us. The price of Bitcoin is the de facto price on Bitstamp. We’re the to-go exchange.”

Oh, the hubris!  Can't wait for solid U.S.-based exchanges to knock 'em down a notch or two.

Good that they're visible though, makes it easier to find them.   Cheesy
7062  Economy / Speculation / Re: Are we in a bear trap? on: June 26, 2014, 02:37:32 PM
I'll just leave this here:

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/u-s-to-auction-17-4m-worth-of-seized-bitcoin-5ib0r6DrRNGXRQ4RCsty0A.html
7063  Economy / Speculation / Re: Headed back up? on: June 26, 2014, 02:35:15 PM
I don't know.

The most honest answer, spoken unlike the rest of the posters on this subforum who seem to think that they have it all figured out.  

Quick, someone reach for the pile and pull out some bs TA chart!  Because lines, graphs!  And more lines!
7064  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 26, 2014, 12:53:16 PM
His point was, no one is buying up bitcoins like crazy because of this rumor.  Hell, no one is buying up bitcoins like crazy over any good news right now, and they haven't been for months.  So no, he's not delusional.
7065  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 26, 2014, 12:38:33 PM
Also i wonder you mention below or above market price. Is that the price the minute the auction closes?The price it was when the bids had to be in? The price on Stamp or somewhere else? Who decides what the market price actually is?

Could it be that noone really has a clue?

Notice that no one has even tried to give answers to your direct questions, except "blah blah blah thinly traded market blah blah blah market forces blah blah blah waiting on auction results blah blah blah."  It's because no one really has a fkn clue what is going on, and they just need some event horizon to point to and say definitively "That there is the reason that this market is confused!  I'm right, and everyone else is wrong!"

Here's a more plausible explanation of the past several weeks:

This silly immature Bitcoin market is still 80-90% dominated by pimply-faced teenagers and know-it-all nerdy 20-somethings, and all the teenagers/20-somethings went on summer break and forgot all about bitcoin.  They stopped buying bitcoins, and only really care about buying more bitcoins when bitcoin is going up. If it's not going up or rallying, they really don't care to have their money locked up in anything.  They also sold their bitcoins because a) bitcoin price is not doing anything right now, b) they can't day trade not enough volatility, and c) because they need their $100 for summer vacation to go party with.  So the few whales left in the summer market are taking full advantage of the lack of buyers, and selling the market down lower.  These whales will use any FUD they can drum up (including this stupid SR auction, the latest stupid FUD) to drive the price lower, and without the teenagers/20-somethings buying more coins during the summer months, the price will fall lower.  Nothing will change until fall, when the teenagers/20-somethings come back from summer break and start buying bitcoins again.

Now do I really believe everything I just wrote?  Maybe. Partially. Not totally.
But is it just as plausible an explanation as any of the other 1000 made up explanations for the market confusion presented on this sub forum?  Without a doubt, yes.

And that there is the whole point: no one has a clue, and everyone is just talking out of their ass.

 Grin
7066  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 26, 2014, 04:07:18 AM
I see fake sell walls everywhere.  Now all we need is some strong buying to blow them away.
7067  Economy / Speculation / Re: Ross Ulbricht 140k bitcoins potential auction and market crash in future. on: June 26, 2014, 03:57:10 AM
Notice how the trolls always put every new thread post in the form of some inane question.

Like "Golly jeez paeple, if x happens, do you think that the price will crash to -$3000?  Whatcha think, da herping derp durr herp?"
7068  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Jeff Garzik's Bitcoin Balance Revealed on: June 25, 2014, 02:48:01 PM
Cheesy I think a good few of us can prove you can get into BTC early and still not be a $millionaire. Hell, I bought BTC on a $5,400 limit credit card when it was still ~$2.40. Still have that card maxed out from that, too. Blech.

Shouldn't you have 2000 Btc

Some people think "hoarding" is a problem in the bitcoin economy.

In reality, because of the easiness of spending or giving bitcoin, for a lot of people (myself included) it's actually very hard to hold, there's always the temptation of "doing something" with the coins.

Agreed.  Also, people have to remember that up until Nov-Dec 2012, his stash was still only worth ~$3480 in total (given ~$10/btc).  At that moment in time, that's not a life changing amount of money.  And it took 4 years for his stash to be worth up to even that much.  He probably sold hundreds or thousands more in that first 2-3 year time frame.  So no, this is not even surprising.

Couple this with the fact that most low net worth young people have the patience of a gnat (they think in only days/months, not years), and it doesn't surprise me at all that hundreds and thousands of coins were pissed away on trivial crap for years up until bitcoin started to really be worth a lot in 2013.
7069  Economy / Speculation / Re: Mike Hearn: "Progress on the bitcoin protocol has ground to a halt" on: June 25, 2014, 12:16:16 PM
<snip>

Also, if core bitcoin development really has ground to a halt, then these people continue to get paid because.... ?

Because maintaining software is work
. Bug fixes and other things as well - not just feature creation.

As a former software developer, I "maintained" about 8 software programs and several systems on about 4 hrs work per day.  Some days I didn't touch any of them at all.  

These people have just one application to maintain.

What else you got?

How many decentralized applications that were open-source and run by millions of people you managed?

Yeeeaaahh....lol  Roll Eyes

and worth 8 billion each?

I worked in Finance and Banking, on transaction systems that ran hundreds of millions of dollars worth of transactions per day.  Bitcoin hasn't even reached transaction throughput parity yet with just ONE of the client systems I worked on.

Straw man much?
7070  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 25, 2014, 12:00:00 PM
I can't believe there are still people here who don't think this is because of the auction.
"Just normal market behaviour".

I believe it is because of the auction. You need to stop thinking people are rational, they are stupid! This is why auction has so much influence on price.

Here's the really stupid thing.  The SR auction is about BITCOINS, and bitcoins only.  Yet altcoins like Litecoin and other alts are being forced down by the whales too, causing people to panic for their beloved alts as well.  Even Dodgecoin is being sold off, which has absolutely nothing to do with the SR auction.
I don't think this decrease has anything to do with the auction. I think it is actually about the Chinese news about a continued Chinese crackdown, which was released about the same time. This would account for the alt decrease as well.

You mean that there was bad news that just happens to coincide with other bad news on the exact same day?  That's so strange, but yet so perfectly natural!  Fabricated FUD never follows that pattern. /s
7071  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 25, 2014, 11:55:36 AM
I can't believe there are still people here who don't think this is because of the auction.
"Just normal market behaviour".

I believe it is because of the auction. You need to stop thinking people are rational, they are stupid! This is why auction has so much influence on price.

Here's the really stupid thing.  The SR auction is about BITCOINS, and bitcoins only.  Yet altcoins like Litecoin and other alts are being forced down by the whales too, causing people to panic for their beloved alts as well.  Even Dogecoin is being sold off, which has absolutely nothing to do with the SR auction.

This is why I referred to the community as pathetic.  My choice of adjective remains, until I observe otherwise.  I guess I'll be waiting a decade or more.   Tongue
7072  Economy / Speculation / Re: SR Auction Price Speculation/Wager - 7hrs left on: June 25, 2014, 02:09:17 AM
Lastly, if we don't know, then everyone gets their deposits back 100%. We'll probably hold it a week after the auction to see any leaks.

So you haven't a clue really.  Got it.
7073  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 25, 2014, 02:04:16 AM
so do you guys think the auction will drag down the price before the next rally?  
if it does is it a good time to buy?
 Wink
No, it's a good time to panic sell!  PANIC SELL ALL DE COINS NAOW!

Also, notice how the whales managed to 'unlight' the green candle on the 1W MACD on Stamp.  Nope, no manipulation going on here.  Not a bit.
7074  Economy / Speculation / Re: Mike Hearn: "Progress on the bitcoin protocol has ground to a halt" on: June 25, 2014, 02:01:51 AM
<snip>

Also, if core bitcoin development really has ground to a halt, then these people continue to get paid because.... ?

Because maintaining software is work
. Bug fixes and other things as well - not just feature creation.

As a former software developer, I "maintained" about 8 software programs and several systems on about 4 hrs work per day.  Some days I didn't touch any of them at all.  

These people have just one application to maintain.

What else you got?
7075  Economy / Speculation / Re: SR Auction Price Speculation/Wager - 7hrs left on: June 24, 2014, 10:50:59 PM
1 hour left for any wagers.

Before you try to swindle anyone else out of their money, please answer the fkn question:

It's looking like the consensus is between the $580-640USD/BTC range for the selling price. The sample size is still small at 15 people, but I'm expecting this crowd-prediction to be correct.
And with a supposedly closed door auction, how are you going to even know what the selling price is exactly?
7076  Economy / Speculation / Re: Mike Hearn: "Progress on the bitcoin protocol has ground to a halt" on: June 24, 2014, 09:32:28 PM
https://epicenterbitcoin.com/eb-025/

Mike Hearn interview quotes:
Quote
"Progress on the bitcoin protocol has ground to a halt, complete halt. This is a crisis period for Bitcoin... Only Gavin is working on upgrades" @39'30'


this is in addition to the Peter Todd selling of all his bitcoins after the Ghash timebomb.

so much for that next bubble...
This is the most pitiful attempt at trolling I've seen yet.  Man, the substantial FUD must be getting pretty thin these days.

TROLL HARDER!

Quick, do the 51% attack FUD thing! (it was a week ago, maybe they forgot about it already, hur hur)
Or how about the China bans bitcoin again thing!
No, how about Bitstamp is insolvent thing!  Yeah, that's it!
Wait, how about the SR Coin buyers will dump the next day FUD!  Maybe even same day, if they still have time after the auction closes!


Also, if core bitcoin development really has ground to a halt, then these people continue to get paid because.... ?
7077  Economy / Speculation / Re: SR Auction Price Speculation/Wager - 7hrs left on: June 24, 2014, 07:12:43 PM
It's looking like the consensus is between the $580-640USD/BTC range for the selling price. The sample size is still small at 15 people, but I'm expecting this crowd-prediction to be correct.
And with a supposedly closed door auction, how are you going to even know what the selling price is exactly?
7078  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 24, 2014, 06:57:04 PM
Which is more pathetic:

1) People conducting their individual risk management/business and trading accordingly on the open market
2) People getting mad at 1) when they don't like what they are doing, fantasizing allegations and accusations

?

Well said.  Not to mention the amount of energy and time spent on this subforum  by people going number 2. Wink  

Emotions are swinging faster and farther than the market is.  Someone please PM me when they find a market a that only goes up all the time.  Will pay a good commission.

Note to self:  Isn't it actually quite fun to participate in this market?  If not, find something better to do.

Cheers,
Nick

  

I love how only the bear traders on this forum love to defend panic selling, as if it is the most wonderful thing evar.  Sorry bear traders, not enough price crashes going on for you to make your $100 for the week?

I guess it's too much to ask for bitcoin owners to have some sense, huh?  Maybe 3-5 years from now, we can have the same +/- 20% swings even when the price is at $50K/btc?  Actually I wouldn't doubt we will, as fabricated FUD will work just as well on the market sheep participants then as it does now.  Yeah that'd be so wonderful.  That way it'd scare away pretty much everyone who tries to seriously use it as a stable currency or a store of value, and the grand experiment would at that point be proven to be a complete failure.

7079  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 24, 2014, 03:48:41 PM
That would imply exchanges trusting each other's IOUs. Can't happen, and rightly so (otherwise one single scam could cause a chain reaction). 

That's trivial to solve. How do you think other institutions in society do it?

The easiest way is that everyone desposits a sum with a trusted third party, which forms the top limit for IOUs. You could also distribute the third party role on several participants (where several needs to collude to cheat the system), if the trust is otherwise hard to build.

But even the easiest notary system would be a giant step up for today's exchanges.
Yes, but don't you realize that extending IOUs is exactly how the current, broken fractional reserve banking system works?  And is pretty much why Mt Gox. went bankrupt?
7080  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 24, 2014, 03:31:23 PM


Fixed.
It is last week under 600$, ever. After auction, price is going to skyrocket.

I wish. But i doubt it.
Just the mention of a small action caused huge panic. When the auction is finished and ended well/bullish noone will care. They'll be looking for the next reason to panic sell.
There are no events anymore that make the price go up. No amount of good news will make the price go up even 10 dollars. People aren't interested in good news.
Yep, the day the Expedia news came out, the price was at $630.  Price didn't budge at all.  Then the very next day, wham!  A fkn FUD storm about threats of 51% attack (again, every 4-6 months, for years now... ad nauseum), +Stamp FUD, + China FUD, +Bitfinex FUD, all on the same day.  And then a bunch of panic selling ensues all the way down to $530, for no good reason at all.  And you know what?  No one even remembers that now, or if those stupid fears were even warranted.  Here's a hint:  they weren't.

The bitcoin community is, and will continue to be, pathetic, until it puts on its big boy pants and grows the hell up.  Stop panic selling over nothing.  Otherwise, the bitcoin world hasn't even seen yet what the governments of the world can cook up in regard to media-created FUD, until they feel the need to.
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