I won't lie, any bounce attempts have been extremely weak. So I'm nervous, currently holding bags from 623$ BTCE and $629 BFX. But hold them I will!
If you consider a bag held @ $623 then dude, you don't know what true bag holding is.
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Everybody and their mother is bearish on TradingView, all calling for 500s and 400s at this point. Everyone going short. Tell me this means we are going to the moon soon. Correction -- everyone there is bearish except DanV. He thinks the $615 level will hold and that we'll see a bullish leg to the $680-720 zone still. If true, then oh crap. DanV is notorious for calling it wrong, lol.
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i hate ppl like that. Just cause they didnt get in they will justify their reasoning by calling it a scam.
See it all the time. I always say when these ppl end up buying its time to start selling.. they are considered dumb money.
When ppl like this start buying, you won't have to sell b/c bitcoin will be everywhere. That guy will cave, buy and use btc just to not look dumb anymore.
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I for one really don't want to see the 500s again. Let's just stay above 600 for heavens sake Seriously! Agreed. If someone had told me back at the end of Nov 2013 that we'd still be ~$600 in July of 2014, I'd have told them they were nuts. <sigh>
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I doubt they have internet and enought computers there. Google will put up a blimp for them, and solar power is excellent. Actually, if you put up a thin-film farm, it would be a great venue for low-cost mining. Maybe he can gather the sand, bag it, and sell it to the rest of the world. In the U.S. we buy bottles of water and bags of dirt, so it should be a hit.
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=686745.20Time will pass, August will come and go, September will come and go and the price won't even be 1000 again.
Summer is coming to an end and if anything might happen (ETF, SecondMarket), that might take until late 2014 or into 2015. Thoughts. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------By the way Wobber, I read all your comments and by your join date (2010), you really have seen a lot in bitcoinland. I respect your thoughts (trolling or not) and this thread is not to bash you (mostly having fun with a new post title). I just wanted to see if people agreed with your quote, because it is starting to become a possibility. Let's suppose that Wobber is one of 2-3 million people who own some bitcoin, and have some opinion about what the market will do in the next 6 months. Yes, there is a high probability that one of those 2-3M people will have a fairly accurate prediction about what will happen. Your only job then is to figure out if Wobber is that one person.
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Add a long term bull trend line and we are obviously at very critical point.
The next few days for bitcoin are criticalTM
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Yeah, but look at that massive sell wall @630 on BTC-e. Could be fake though.
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I agree piramida. I feel much safer sleeping in coins right now, than worrying about some silly dip that turns into a major bear trap right before takeoff. You never know, takeoff could be months from now, or it literally could be tomorrow morning. I think people that bought just after the bottom are much more skittish right now, than people who have been holding for the last 4+ months. Another big tipoff for me to go all in? All the bulls, the bears and the trolls disappeared from this board since the SR auction. That leads me to believe that all 3 camps are ALL IN at this point, with nothing left to talk about! If that is true that is actually a bad sign - we need somebody to panic buy to go substantially up It's not current all-in bitcoiners that cause a substantial rise. It's the early quitters, the fence sitters, and the brand new panic buying newbies that outnumber existing bitcoiners by 10X factor that jump in at the 11th hour. That's what causes a bubble.
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I agree piramida. I feel much safer sleeping in coins right now, than worrying about some silly dip that turns into a major bear trap right before takeoff. You never know, takeoff could be months from now, or it literally could be tomorrow morning. I think people that bought just after the bottom are much more skittish right now, than people who have been holding for the last 4+ months. Another big tipoff for me to go all in? All the bulls, the bears and the trolls disappeared from this board since the SR auction. That leads me to believe that all 3 camps are ALL IN at this point, with nothing left to talk about!
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Looking good, but I like how everyone is so euphoric over a 10$ move Also, tear down that final wall! Repressed bulls have taken so much shite falling on their heads last months. Even a little sudden uptrend has now the same effect on their morale as the news of a paid holiday day would do to a Chinese worker in an iPhone factory. Yep. I remember back not long ago when we were above $700. Now that seems like eons ago... and so out of reach atm.
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Sounds like the hacker stole 5 Million Nxt as well. Ouch, glad I'm not into Nxt.
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Remember the end of may? Volume got very low.
Whale Investors: "Sell in May and go away." They won't come back until the Fall. sell into what? are Whale Investors holding fiat or gold? Fiat. They don't really want to have to micro-manage their investments during their summer months, and have to pay the tax man. Also, it would not surprise me if some of them took profits in April-May, and invested them into something else in the meantime to keep the return going. But investors always return in the Fall. They need to get their ROI pump in once more before the year end. Watch the stock market, you'll see these same Spring-Fall patterns played out over and over again.
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Remember the end of may? Volume got very low.
Whale Investors: "Sell in May and go away." They won't come back until the Fall.
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Pathetic volume is pathetic.
It's still the summer time, all the drones are still spending money on vacations, clubbing, gin n' tonics, and home beautification projects like landscaping. Wheee! I'm a consumer, and I can spend money today! Wheeee! Look at me go! I'll be no better off in 20 years, but I don't care! Wheee! Investing, what's investing??
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So according to this graph, I buy $200 worth of bitcoin today and wait to the end of 2015 to get at least 30,000 in return. Nice. Why isn't everyone rushing into this?Poor people should buy $6 worth of Bitcoin, at the end of 2015 they'll have 1,000 Below-average income people should buy $60 worth of bicoin, return of 10,000 Good-income people should buy a Bitcoin, return of 100,000 by 2015. Carlos Slim should buy 6000 BTC, he'll have 600,000,000 Satoshi could have 1,000,000,000,000. Because the average Joe six-pack has no knowledge of how exponential growth works. At all, period. All they can see is what is happening today, and maybe tomorrow. That's it. Hell, most didn't even pass rudimentary math in high school. Most people that knew of bitcoin 2-3 years ago had the same lack of knowledge and vision. They never thought that bitcoin would get beyond $10, even in 5 years. They weren't able to extrapolate shit. So they didn't buy any. Tim Draper didn't buy $27M worth of bitcoin, hoping it would be worth only $28M in 5-10 years. Or even double at $54M. If that is all the potential that bitcoin has, it would be the absolute worst investment of his entire VC career. Wobber, you really need to quit trying to insult the intelligence of those who have bought bitcoin and understand exponential growth. You're just making yourself look more like a fool.
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No Aston Martins, Ferraris, Maserati or Lambo's. I'm not going to waste my BTC on a Volkswagen. Car market not ready for bitcoin Love my TDI but I've just about run it into the ground. Time for a refresh. I won't use my stash though. It would have to be a buy BTC then spend. Same here, absolutely love my 2006 Jetta GLI. Still only has 92K miles. Would buy another VW in a heartbeat.
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doesn't anyone else see the similarities?
The important part is post-bubble. There's no reason to think that it will behave the same as in 2011. There is no bad news this time to crush confidence. Actually, good news is still coming in just as it did on the way up. New merchants accepting every day. New exchanges and projects being worked on. Plenty of media coverage and people coming in. There is good news flowing everyday still we are not moving that's really some worry part. Exactly. None of the good news did anything to the price whatsoever. Yet people expect the price to magically go up sometime soon. I sure hope this magic will happen but i just can't find a reason for it. Try to be more patient. It's difficult to say exact day when the next major rise will happen. If you think about it, Silk Road was not so big reason for Bitcoin to rise 10x. Most people are sheeps and they follow the people they control the market...It is simple...When big whales will want it to happen, it will happen and sheeps will follow...maybe i am wrong though, but i think patient is the key in Bitcoin investing. I get that but why would it suddenly rise? I can see it happen slowly over time but why is there this idea that sometime soon we'll see an explosion? I don't see a reason for it. And the problem is tons of people with tons of coins are expecting this as well. When it turns out nothing is gonna happen then guess what those people will do. They way i see it is if we don't go up soon we might crash hard. A lot of people will move their money to something else. That in bold above Honestly if you don't see how it will rise, you haven't really researched the last 2 bubbles. Whale investors suddenly appeared out of nowhere, and started seeding the market by buying up large amounts of btc. High volume suddenly appeared in the market for no real reason. With the sudden and pronounced price rise, then all the Joe Public fence sitters and panic buyers jumped in. Then the media followed. Then more panic buying. It's really that simple. Then in hindsight, the media and the community wanted to come up with valid reasons for the bubbles (Oh it was Cyprus, Oh it was China, etc.). After the bubble declined, these whale market makers completely left the scene. I haven't seen evidence of them back in the market yet. So the more interesting question to ask is, "What in the market conditions will make the whale investors think the time is right to suddenly appear out of nowhere, and start seeding the market again?" My theory is that they simply look for a few key indicators that the market has reversed (like 1W MACD, etc.), extrapolate the growth of bitcoin awareness factor from the last bubble (by looking at bitcoinpulse metrics, etc.), and have some insider trading knowledge on major events that are coming up. Then they use a combination of all this information to help 'engineer' a bubble.
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Have you actually seen any promising features of recent alts?
A more important question the altcoin lover geeks never seem to ask themselves is, "Have you actually seen anyone in the public care about any of these so-called promising features?" The point is, Joe Public truly doesn't care, and never will care. They just want a simple, universal digital form of money that works simply. Like Bitcoin. They truly don't care about any "extra" features built into the protocol, it's not a selling feature to the public.
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High interest rate on bitfinex and high premium on icbit are sign of bullish. People borrowing are expecting the rally will be higher than the interest rate.
Sure, and they might be right. Or they might be very wrong. My memory is a bit fuzzy, but I remember a massive short squeeze last November when Bitfinex traders were very wrong about the market. Can't happen in the other direction? Thats my market moto: Go against the crowd. Oh noes! That means be a bear! But on this forum, people are always predominantly bullish. If you go to Tradingview right now, most people seem bearish. Take your pick. Interesting that the TradingView analysts were bullish when it seemed that bitcoin was on the verge of breaking up, and they could draw you all kinds of wonderful TA graphs with lines showing you that it would likely do that. But when the bitcoin market doesn't do what they expect, they get confused, then get bearish, and then suddenly can draw you all kinds of wonderful TA graphs with lines showing you that it will likely break down.
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