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341  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Crypti | XCR | Ͼ | PoS algorithm | Ed25519 | 2nd Gen Source on: March 16, 2015, 10:13:28 PM
@Litoshi - if you want to promote and market XCR as an official foundation member, you probably need to work on your communication skill a little bit. In general, messages online are easy to be misinterpreted. Being more political and polite and always using smilies are always good things to do for a marketer and promoter.Your goal is to make people happy and feel good about everything here and your goal is not to convince people that you are right. If you are not an official member you are free to do anything. My 2 cents. Smiley

I understand what you are suggesting Tobo.  BUT....... there needs to be some troll control here.  I dont know if you have been here from the first pages, but we have suffered greatly from Trolls, especially during periods of trouble.  We had trouble with Bter freezing our wallets multiple times, trading was stopped completely several times, Cryptsy has disabled XCR in and out since Sept; Polo has been on and off as well.

We suffered the onslaught of trolls due to those issues, as well as the "Crypti is Dead" & "Crypti is a scam" crowd while we had delays in development of "Proof of Time" (which we abandoned); scaling issues with forging, and the attacks from the "pump and dump; trash and crash" investors that attempted to manipulate the XCR price up and down. 

I let GreXX and Passion be the "good guys".......

342  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Crypti | XCR | Ͼ | PoS algorithm | Ed25519 | 2nd Gen Source on: March 16, 2015, 09:57:23 PM
The problem of sockpuppet delegates can be solved with antisybil protection. You waste too much time on a non-fatal issue.

Yes, but the way it is currently in testing, the 101 delegates forge 101 blocks in a cycle..... then the forging fees are totaled for that cycle and then they are divided between the delegates equally.  Less than 101 would result in an increased reward to the "less than 101" delegates.  

The idea is to reward faithful delegates equally and make the reward for the top voted delegate the same as the bottom delegates.  Opposite of NXT, where the more NXT you have, the more you forge.  

The team wants to have XCR traded, and used for commerce, not horded.  
343  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Crypti | XCR | Ͼ | PoS algorithm | Ed25519 | 2nd Gen Source on: March 16, 2015, 08:36:41 PM
Max has enough XCR , not on any exchange, to make all 101 delegates and vote for them.
BTW, I could make more than 70 myself
.....
After spending 25K XCR for each of 51 delegates, few of us would have enough XCR left in a node to vote the delegates very high.  
Only i see here contradiction? Huh

As I understand the latest version, the foundation will have 101 delegates at the start of DPOS, and will then be replaced by non-foundation delegates as they register and come on line.  The foundation delegates are "place holders" to ensure there are always 101 delegates.  
crypti already said that you understand wrong. Angry
Please do not post here your delusions. Grin

You scored 98 on my troll meter.  Perhaps with a lesson from shaan.is.one you could get a perfect 100.

My "delusions' are right out of the product development internal discussion. 
344  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Crypti | XCR | Ͼ | PoS algorithm | Ed25519 | 2nd Gen Source on: March 16, 2015, 07:13:46 PM
But with Crypti we have the community as a second protection layer, everyone will vote for the best delegates.
You do not remember who voted for Hitler, Obama or Putin? Huh
So either you trust us or you explain in detail, why it is not a good system, which by the way Bitshares is running on since a long time already and it's working great! Smiley
You never heard any critics for Bitshares? Roll Eyes
No, there will not be privileges delegates.
All delegates will be chosen by voters.
So Crypti DPOS will not run until we find all 101 delegates? Huh
Or DPOS will start without 101 delegates and will be more vulnerable because of that?  Roll Eyes
Litoshi is not technical part of our team, because no reason to ask him for this these details.
I didn't ask him, but somehow he thinks he can answer Tongue


Okay, then we make a 1 BTC bet. Smiley
Why didn't you bet for 101 in 1 hour? Cheesy


You would be betting against a stacked deck.  Max has enough XCR , not on any exchange, to make all 101 delegates and vote for them.


BTW, I could make more than 70 myself

Yea, I own 100,000,000.000001 XCR. /irony off

Max wishes he owned that many.  We told him that he can't change the name to MAXCOIN until he owns ALL the XCR.

 Grin Grin Grin
345  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Crypti | XCR | Ͼ | PoS algorithm | Ed25519 | 2nd Gen Source on: March 16, 2015, 07:12:05 PM
So Crypti DPOS will not run until we find all 101 delegates? Huh
Or DPOS will start without 101 delegates and will be more vulnerable because of that?  Roll Eyes

You have to assume there will be enough participants for the system to kick in. If there are too few participants in it, only those few participants care about the platform and it will have nothing to do with other people and it dose not matter if it is vulnerable or not.

As I understand the latest version, the foundation will have 101 delegates at the start of DPOS, and will then be replaced by non-foundation delegates as they register and come on line.  The foundation delegates are "place holders" to ensure there are always 101 delegates. 

346  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Crypti | XCR | Ͼ | PoS algorithm | Ed25519 | 2nd Gen Source on: March 16, 2015, 07:09:14 PM
You would be betting against a stacked deck.  Max has enough XCR , not on any exchange, to make all 101 delegates and vote for them.
BTW, I could make more than 70 myself
I never bet or take bets, you are very wrong here.  Tongue
If someone will make 51 delegates and vote for them the whole Crypti network become compromised and currency worth nothing.  Cry If you do not understand this you deserve your fate  Roll Eyes

Delegates dont vote........ nodes do. 

After spending 25K XCR for each of 51 delegates, few of us would have enough XCR left in a node to vote the delegates very high. 

347  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Crypti | XCR | Ͼ | PoS algorithm | Ed25519 | 2nd Gen Source on: March 16, 2015, 04:56:10 PM
But with Crypti we have the community as a second protection layer, everyone will vote for the best delegates.
You do not remember who voted for Hitler, Obama or Putin? Huh
So either you trust us or you explain in detail, why it is not a good system, which by the way Bitshares is running on since a long time already and it's working great! Smiley
You never heard any critics for Bitshares? Roll Eyes
No, there will not be privileges delegates.
All delegates will be chosen by voters.
So Crypti DPOS will not run until we find all 101 delegates? Huh
Or DPOS will start without 101 delegates and will be more vulnerable because of that?  Roll Eyes
Litoshi is not technical part of our team, because no reason to ask him for this these details.
I didn't ask him, but somehow he thinks he can answer Tongue


Okay, then we make a 1 BTC bet. Smiley
Why didn't you bet for 101 in 1 hour? Cheesy


You would be betting against a stacked deck.  Max has enough XCR , not on any exchange, to make all 101 delegates and vote for them.


BTW, I could make more than 70 myself
348  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Crypti | XCR | Ͼ | PoS algorithm | Ed25519 | 2nd Gen Source on: March 16, 2015, 03:39:27 PM
Crypti as crystal crispy lets try it... Smiley

You scored a perfect 100 on my troll meter
349  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Crypti | XCR | Ͼ | PoS algorithm | Ed25519 | 2nd Gen Source on: March 16, 2015, 02:45:20 PM
There are users running multiple nodes right now, one was running over 20.  What makes you think that the same user wont run multi-delegates?
Oh, i only thought that the Crypti DPOS is a way to corruption and scam. Shocked
And now you proved it! Angry

No, XCR delegates are a way to secure the network, make it decentralized, and for delegate owners to have a steady income and return on investment. 



350  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Crypti | XCR | Ͼ | PoS algorithm | Ed25519 | 2nd Gen Source on: March 16, 2015, 02:13:13 PM
Let's make a bet of 100,000 XCR that after 6 months there will be 101 great active delegates.
If i win they will worth nothing after that  Grin

If you promise not to tell anyone else, I will let you in on a secret..........  You can have more than one delegate. 

There are users running multiple nodes right now, one was running over 20.  What makes you think that the same user wont run multi-delegates?

351  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Crypti | XCR | Ͼ | PoS algorithm | Ed25519 | 2nd Gen Source on: March 15, 2015, 07:55:14 PM
Supposed XCR become popular in the future like BTC, which one will be more convienient for people, 1xcr=$1 or 1xcr=$300?

$300......

With only 100 million USD market cap, And a $1 price,  XCR would be in too short of a supply.
352  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Crypti | XCR | Ͼ | PoS algorithm | Ed25519 | 2nd Gen Source on: March 15, 2015, 03:57:25 PM
If I am correct the total number of XCR are 100 millions. It seems this number is small comparing the other popular coins. It is probable a good ideal to have more coins in supply to keep the price low and affordable per coin.

Will you consider to proportionally enlarge the the total supply, for instance, each XCR becomes 10 or 100 XCR? By this way, you increase the total supply and in the mean time Everyone still has the same proportion of the total coins.

This has been discussed, and decided against.

XCR, just like BTC, is divisible into 8 decimal places, so there are really 100 million times 100 million Cryptoshi in existance.  That gives us 10,000,000,000,000,000.  10 Quadrillion Cryptoshis.  10 billion wallets could hold 1 million Cryptoshi.  

Your point about supply and price would not hold true.  If the prce of XCR is 1000 sats, and we multiply the supply by 10, the price would drop to 100 sats.  

We would rather the XCR price climb to 3300 sats, which would be USD 1 cents.  That would make it easier for real world use to compute the value of a certain item in XCR.  

From traveling the world, and having to use other currencies that are worth small fractions of a US cent, I can tell you that it is frustrating.  Ever try to figure out what 1,101,487 Indonesian Rupias is?  Is that a fair price for a hotel room?  How about 200,000 Italian Lira?  

Big numbers boggle many minds.  Its better to stick to small numbers with a greater value each

353  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Crypti | XCR | Ͼ | PoS algorithm | Ed25519 | 2nd Gen Source on: March 15, 2015, 01:52:36 PM
And... ... we are waiting ...

If you want to speed things up, contact Bter and TELL them to release XCR for withdrawal.  

There will not be DPOS until we can withdraw XCR from Bter.  There is just too little XCR in private hands for a stable system.

The team is really busy with the testing.  You would not believe how many different versions have been tested for bugs and functionality.

Ethereum is developing a similar system, with $18 million dollars of IPO money, and they are still vaporware after 9 months.  We have only a handful of devs, but have made great progress. 

Go bug Lin at Bter..... not us.

Yeah, you do a greate job, just don't be too rude to supporters (calling us annoying bugs and so on).

When did I ever call a poster a "annoying bug"?
354  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Crypti | XCR | Ͼ | PoS algorithm | Ed25519 | 2nd Gen Source on: March 15, 2015, 01:51:00 PM
Oh, i see.  Grin There will be previlegeous delegates without votes. Cool
Nice decentralized system!  Cheesy

Those delegates are just place-holders to fill out the system.  They will drop off as other delegates come online, and they will be there in case of a network failure to continue the blockchain. 

355  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Crypti | XCR | Ͼ | PoS algorithm | Ed25519 | 2nd Gen Source on: March 15, 2015, 12:51:07 PM
Will Crypti be "cryptographically and mathematically" damaged if there would be less than 101 active delegates?  Huh

There wont ever be less than 101 delegates, because the Foundation will be running 101 delegates from the start.  These delegates will have few or no votes, so will be replaced by other delegates as they come online.

The top 101 delegates will be doing the forging, but there may be as many as a few hundred delegates at any one time.  Some may have a million votes, some one vote.

Since the forging fees are divided equally between the 101 delegates that were online and forging for that cycle, there is no real incentive to be delegate #1......... payout is the same as delegate #101.   But being a higher rank makes a delegates position more secure, but not financially more rewarding.
356  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Crypti | XCR | Ͼ | PoS algorithm | Ed25519 | 2nd Gen Source on: March 15, 2015, 01:01:04 AM
No. It just takes the number of your XCR balance as a voting weight. It will cost a minimal amount of XCR as a fee through (like 1XCR).

Is this DPOS same as Bitshares' one, but written in a different programming language? Will there be other Poofs in the system or just DPOS?

Max can answer that the best, but today is his birthday...... You all wish him a Happy B-Day!
357  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Crypti | XCR | Ͼ | PoS algorithm | Ed25519 | 2nd Gen Source on: March 14, 2015, 12:52:07 PM
And... ... we are waiting ...

If you want to speed things up, contact Bter and TELL them to release XCR for withdrawal.  

There will not be DPOS until we can withdraw XCR from Bter.  There is just too little XCR in private hands for a stable system.

The team is really busy with the testing.  You would not believe how many different versions have been tested for bugs and functionality.

Ethereum is developing a similar system, with $18 million dollars of IPO money, and they are still vaporware after 9 months.  We have only a handful of devs, but have made great progress. 

Go bug Lin at Bter..... not us.
358  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Crypti | XCR | Ͼ | PoS algorithm | Ed25519 | 2nd Gen Source on: March 13, 2015, 03:32:29 AM
I am still with you guys  Wink
Some big things  coming  Roll Eyes

Yes, jiuge........ I believe you posted on this blog on page 1.  Glad to see you are still among the faithful.
359  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Crypti | XCR | Ͼ | PoS algorithm | Ed25519 | 2nd Gen Source on: March 12, 2015, 11:01:45 PM
You can become a delegate, if you have enough votes.
How to apply for voting? Huh

To get votes need to make reputation in community.
Make something for Crypti community and ask peoples to vote for you.

And Max said wrong, you can register delegate. But you need votes to be as active delegates (who forge blocks).

Yea sorry. Meant for a top/an active delegate. Smiley

Neither of you actually answered the question. It wasn't "how to gain people's trust", it was "how to apply"  Smiley

There will be a fee to register a delegate.  The exact specifics are still in the testing and debugging phase.  The devs are quite busy with many different configurations, voting methods, double voting, coin transfer testing, double paying, and duplicate delegates.  

The failure testing has been grueling.  We want this to be as bug free and idiot proof as possible.  Once the system is complete, there will be a guide published.

DPOS will not be released until Bter allows withdrawals.  Mainly because there is only about 12-15 million XCR that are either not locked up in Bter, Cryptsy or the Crypti Foundation wallet.  That is too few XCR to run the DPOS.
360  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Crypti | XCR | Ͼ | PoS algorithm | Ed25519 | 2nd Gen Source on: March 12, 2015, 08:05:31 PM
I've updated my wallet on Windows some minutes ago. Would you think about making the blockchain download optional during the setup?
I already had the up to date blockchain, but during setup it's downloaded again and overwritten. After that I've to download the latest blocks again.
Maybe you can provide a download link to a zip file and not a new setup again?

I will talk with SyRenity about windows builds to solve this issue.


The downloaded new bug fixes have a blockchain.db file that is dated to the time of the zip creation....... not the most current to the minute blockchain.db file..... so....

Before upgrading to the latest bug fix, save your Blockchain.db file to another directory.  Then install the latest version of the node.  Do not click on "launch Crypti node now" when complete.  Next, replace the blockchain.db file int the Crypti Wallet Directory with the saved .db file from before you upgraded. 

This is not a much different operation than saving the wallet.dat files when upgrading QT wallets.

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