5 BTC 1Rassahgt3XSxKVJ62oSrQJxtH3wk4MKX Any winnings will likely go towards purchase of Bitcoin Magazines  Then maybe I should pay you out in magazines anyway LOL |
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Noticed not one of the main ponzi crew want to take the bet... As they say talk is cheap..
Pokes the hornets nest....
I will take the bet at odds inline with the market. There is no market for bets. You just like the sound of your voice. You're a coward, just like 99% of PonziTeam. Put your money where your mouth is. yep. Cowards on both sides. Everyone who is "so sure" that it's a scam should jump on any opportunity to profit off of would be idiots who believe in it, no? Likewise, Everyone who is "so sure" that it's not scam should jump on any opportunity to profit off of would be idiots who don't believe in it, no? |
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What's stopping me to create a new account, make 100+ short posts in different threads, and after that make the 100BTC bet that is auto-accepted? if I don't win I'll just drop the account. the IP is irrelevant (anyone with some technical knowledge can circumvent this).
Anyone (including myself) who renigs on their bets will be labeled a scammer on the forums. Theymos will retain the IP addresses of everyone who has committed here and as you are marked a scammer for not paying, you will also be reported to the bitcoin police and tracked. For this reason, it is important that you do not bet more than you can afford to lose. Considering the high probability of fraud from newbie sockpuppets, only established 100+ post users will be allowed to participate.
Someone who registered today and ran up 100 posts is not established. |
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he connects thru TOR. so not so psuedo. i sent him a coin to try to get his IP.
You sent him your wife, then a coin too?! yes, but she only goes by a pseudonym, so no one knows her real name. Not even you? |
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Any updates?
We're working on a new investor proposal right now for manufacturing. As I mentioned before, I'll post when there is something to post. We're all very excited about it and we hate delays as much as the rest of the world, but we refuse to accept any pre-orders at this time. |
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Considering the high probability of fraud from newbie sockpuppets, only established 100+ post users will be allowed to participate.
Fair enough. Would you be willing to accept bets from newbies if we pay our stake upfront. In the event of default you return double? No risk to yourself, and everyone can check in the blockchain to show that you made good on every lost bet. Yes, but only if you go through someone else, because I cannot change the rules mid-game like this or I'd never hear the end of it. I should have thought of a better method in the beginning. My bad. I don't see how it's changing the rules - worst case it's an additional game that we can play, the original rules still stand for those playing that way. I'd rather go direct to you since I need to trust you anyway in order for this game to work. I don't want to have to trust anyone else. The trust issue with letting a virtually unknown user bet is that they can renig and run off and there's no way to go after the money. I on the other hand, everyone knows exactly where I live, I have shared countless private documents with my team and multiple others in the Bitcoin community. I'm not running off on any bets. To summarize, the reasoning behind it has nothing to do with your trust issues, it has to do with mine. It's an unfair bet. I'm not requiring anyone to put up first in escrow like other threads because I want to make things simple and easy. As trusted users here have already offered their services to do what it is you need to do, my recommendation is to simply take it. |
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As for the bet, I'm not willing to bet on your funds, because I have no idea. That's why I want you to pay up front and I would do the same. The same as you're optimistic about deadlines, you could be optimistic about your funds or even your willingness to pay. I'm willing to bet on Pirate failing to deliver funds within 3 weeks from today, that's the only thing I want to bet.
Okay, after re-reading it seems your merely worried about my ability to discern abilities to pay off on things, which I can't argue because it's an opinion. I have 40 employees in the Bitcoin Magazine who don't question my ability to pay them for the work I ask them to do, so I think we'll just have to agree to disagree. |
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Title changed to: "I'm giving 100%(x2) away to anyone who thinks pirate is a fraud".
I think that explains enough for both sides.
This isn't a "sides" thing. There is no debate about the mathematical definition of return on investment. You're giving 100% ROI or Yield, not 100%(x2) which doesn't mean anything. Can we please stick to the widely accepted notation in use by the entire world instead of making up our own? The thread title is still misleading. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rate_of_returnUpdated title with "100% ROI". Let me know if anything else seems odd. |
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Wouldn't posting the address here in public make everything much more trustworthy? Everybody can see I sent the money... I would also post the address where I would expect my winnings to be returned.
Maybe that's just newbie thinking, what's the customs here?
Uhh, I guess. But you sending money to someone else is none of my business. I was just saying that on my side, if I follow the OP to the letter, no one is eligible unless they are an established 100+ member. By you making it obvious here that you're just sending it to someone else and having them bet for you, how can I honestly accept it? Am I being too anal here?  |
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el_rlee, I explained the conditions. It's up to you to take it or leave it.
If you wish to accept them, I'll post a deposit address here in the thread.
And, Matthew, you forgot me, for 50%. The only one who explained the whole deal.
BTW, I make everything public. There are no hidden arrangements.
Sorry, I didn't know you were serious. Adding you to the list with a 50% fee. |
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can some trusted proxy (I would consider all of the offers) please post an address where I can send my funds to?
much obliged!
also I didn't totally get your system of quoting and re-quoting... how can that be of any value if anybody can edit his post without it being visible?
thanks!
As you can see, the following users have offered this very service for a fee (most lower than the fee you offered). Please contact them through PM, no one should even know about your special arrangements. Username Fee
Scott J 0%(or 9%)
paraipan 5%
Vladimir 8%
nimda 10%
psy 50%
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What conditions don't you agree from nanotube's post?
It's not what I don't agree with in principle, it's about tying a wager to other people's wager's, other people's commitments, other people's assets and other people's opinions. What if he changes the OP? What if they decide to cancel the wager? I'd be an idiot to tie everything down to their terms. I need to remain in control or I'm useless to everyone on either side of the bet. That is called "matching", or "giving even odds" or just "evens". Doubling is putting down double as much as the counterpart.
So doubling would not include the original money, so if I were doubling and someone bet 1BTC they'd get 3BTC back?  (Doesn't seem like doubling, seems like tripling). Both. I also don't think you have the funds to match as many people as there may be willing to bet 100BTC, because there may be hundreds or thousands.
Read the OP. I stop accepting bets at 10,000BTC. For anyone curious of what happens if either party doesn't pay out: Anyone (including myself) who renigs on their bets will be labeled a scammer on the forums. Theymos will retain the IP addresses of everyone who has committed here and as you are marked a scammer for not paying, you will also be reported to the bitcoin police and tracked. For this reason, it is important that you do not bet more than you can afford to lose. Considering the high probability of fraud from newbie sockpuppets, only established 100+ post users will be allowed to participate.
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How's the wife?
lol ! she's with pirate40 now i think. guy stole everything from me.... he's lucky btc are anonymous pseudo-anonymous. ...pseudonymous... pseudonymous (sjuːˈdɒnɪməs) — adj 1. having or using a false or assumed name 2. writing or having been written under a pseudonym thank you. No, not pseudonymous. Pseudo-anonymous. The inability to differentiate an entity or transaction from a group of other entities or transactions in the normal course of events.. Read http://marahmarie.dreamwidth.org/109250.html if you don't understand what it means. Bitcoins are not anonymous. They are even less anonymous than cash because cash leaves only a trail of word of mouth, whereas bitcoins leave a trail of transaction numbers and locations (IPs, businesses, orders, etc). |
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Three weeks from today and accepting all other terms as quoted by nanotube then?
No. I never said I was going to follow someone else's threads guidelines. We were talking about a -timeline-, which is actually shorter (and thus better for everyone) than my initial OP. I have already stated here that the timeline is 3 weeks (in the OP and then again in the last post). Just to be clear, you are not doubling anything if you just pay evens. This part of your post contradicts the following.
If the bet is 1BTC, I'm giving 1BTC. That's doubling. What is contradicting about that? Do you consider a forced 30% reduction (Bitcoinica style) to be a default, or not?
Of course that's a default. Any forced reduction is a default and in bad faith. Once that's clear and with nanotube as escrow (I'd be fine with a proportional fee to what he charged pirateat40 & vandroiy) I'd be willing to max the bet, 100BTC. That means we all pay up now (you and everybody else). I wonder if nanotube will take it?
No. We're not using nanotube as escrow. I don't even know nanotube. This is a bet I am wagering against anyone who believes wholeheartedly that Pirate is a ponzi/scam and that he will not pay per his terms and timeline. If this is not clear enough for you, I encourage you to bet somewhere else where they are more skilled at placing public wagers. I am doing all of this in good faith. |
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I would prefer to get 2.5:1 odds as that is around what the passthrough market is trading at. I'll should create a thread "easy money for pro-piraters" and offer fair odds. 2.5:1 would be 250% or 150%? and do you have any recommendations for my odds? |
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he connects thru TOR. so not so psuedo. i sent him a coin to try to get his IP.
Connecting through TOR does not make bitcoin anonymous, it makes TOR anonymous. now i see why you need a disclaimer in your sig..... Please explain to my why you think you can't trace a bitcoin when it's sent. Did you really think there aren't already developers making databases and tools in association with all the exchanges so that they can find out exactly who owns a coin and where it came from? It's all part of AML. If you don't want it to happen, stop involving USD. |
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100 btc
1MBYncGH6q2NCfHQjrEH5WXe4JzafHircx
Still hoping for a clean closing of bst where everyone gets their coins back.
Can I still get you to acknowledge/agree to my bet from back on page two? I'm sorry, I thought I already did. I agree! (Note for future betters; I don't have to agree to every bet in thread for it to be legitimate, I just reserve the right to call out a bet that is obviously against the rules when I spot them. No bets have been against the rules so far except the sockpuppet trying to scam for 9,500BTC), and if the proposed 50BTC better would have bet, that too would have been invalid but he did not so.. |
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I'm not willing to wait until October 1st 2013. I'd hope solvency could be decided much sooner. After all Pirate said this: When will I get my coins?
Starting Monday I’ll begin systematically closing and withdrawing accounts as coins are transferred. I don't expect the entire process to last longer than a week. The moment your account is closed you’ll receive your coins plus any interest accrued up to the hour it was sent. Post in this thread how much you're committing and I will double that amount you commit (maximum of 10,000BTC in bets allowed in this thread total) if Pirate does not pay out in 3 weeks as he described in his thread.
In my original OP I was under the impression he was paying out within 2 weeks, so I tacked an extra week on for safety. In good faith, if he is not a scammer, 3 weeks is fair for a payback, so take the OP for a face value on that point. 3 weeks from today will be the deadline, although it may end sooner (hopefully!) obviously depending on how things happen. |
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he connects thru TOR. so not so psuedo. i sent him a coin to try to get his IP.
Connecting through TOR does not make bitcoin anonymous, it makes TOR anonymous. |
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How's the wife?
lol ! she's with pirate40 now i think. guy stole everything from me.... he's lucky btc are anonymous pseudo-anonymous. |
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