It is not up to any of us to judge if funds should be unlocked, we should have an actual court with an actual judge do an actual investigation first.
Instead, it's your job to libel against customers for things you have no proof of? I do believe that I have not done any libel here. I only have presented facts and answered to questions. I suggest you review the definition of libel. As representative of MtGox, I do confirm the following facts: - Upon hack of Bitcoinica's account on our platform, a large number of redeemable codes have been issued. Seeing a large volume of codes emitted by Bitcoinica didn't alert us at first as we assumed those were funds returned to Bitcoinica customers, however we were made aware it was not the case upon posting on this forum by Genjix about the account hack. We noticed that most of those codes were sent to AurumXchange.
- Codes were all generated from IP 184.22.31.180 (184-22-31-180.static.hostnoc.net)
- During the investigation, AurumXchange asked us if we knew anything about email address stevejobs807@gmail.com which was used by the hacker according to AurumXchange. We found an account under this email which had some activity back in 2011, with access from both an IP at Microsoft Singapore then an IP at Amazon EC2 and which initial funds are deposited from an account known to belong to Zhou Tong.
. While we have no definitive proof at this time, there is a definitive need for a proper investigation of what happened there. We have got no reply at this time from Bitcoinica LP and its representatives/owners regarding this matter despite many requests. Mark, please post MtGox's customer privacy agreement here in this thread. AurumXChange and BitInstant should as well. |
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Seriously, you 3 together have done a much better investigation than any "actual investigation" most official judges or police bureaus in the world would. The only think you lack is "authority".
Yes, such a good investigation, and yet they can't prove anything and decided to release private customer information and libel against a customer in the process. Class act. Zhou, get a lawyer, but get one to sue these shmucks. It is not up to any of us to judge if funds should be unlocked, we should have an actual court with an actual judge do an actual investigation first.
Instead, it's your job to libel against customers for things you have no proof of? I'm gonna take a break from Bitcoin for a while. When I come back, I hope to see that it's returned to being Bitcoin again and not just a microversion of the US government with a bunch of hot-head businesses eager for attention. |
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Spirit of law > letter of law
Find out if selling W.O.W. gold or Linden Dollars is Money Tranmission and you'll have your answer for bitcoin.
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I'm seriously considering getting all bitcoin sites flagged to be honest..
I backtraced it! I'm reporting you to the internet police! |
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Okay. Home now. We'll do escrow. Pick the member and let me know.
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Not at home at the moment. I had to come down to daegu to record a drama with "ShiNee". Going back home today.
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Bitcoin is really a hackers dream.
Last year, some hacker managed to steal huge funds from mybitcoin.com. How got blamed? The operator of mybitcoin.com. No one cared about the actual hacker.
This year, a hacker stole 45k from Bitcoinica. Everyone blamed the operators. The owners replaced the funds. No one cared about the actual hacker.
Now recently more funds where stolen from Bitcoinica. MtGox even knows who the hacker is, but "of course" cannot share this information. So same thing as every time, no one cares about the actual hacker. Everyone blames the operators and tries to lynch them.
Conclusion: In the Bitcoin world it is OK to steal, the blame will always be on the victim. A hacker can even use his real name and real address, and still no one cares. Blame and lawsuits are always on the victims...
And how is that different from cash, exactly ? Hack a USD bank, lose your life. Hack a BTC bank, lose your OTC reputation lol |
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Excellent point nerdbert, and a difficult question indeed.
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I enjoy a good old fashioned conspiracy theory as much as the next guy, but I think the points chosen are likely false-positives in that they could be used as warning signs although in parallel are non-evidence in themselves and can be coincidental.
That said, Bruce Wagner promotes bitfloor at every chance which makes me think he has his grips on it, and I could theorize that bitfloor's request to have you banned is to quiet you before anyone found this out and his business with the wagner kiss of death. This is completely baseless though, as is my theory that Charlie does accept money orders through BitInstant and merely said "I", because he doesn't personally handle them (Charlie pays attention to how lawyers talk, as you saw from the vagueness in the bitcoincard thread), but this is also wild baseless speculation pulled straight from my ass.
Why stop there? I could theorize you're an investor into another exchange that bitfloor is choking business away from and that's why you're latched on to them.
The point of all of this comedic speculation is that it's just that-- provide sone actual evidence. Things are seldom as they seem (Bitcoin Magazine is pregnant!).
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Even though aq is making glaring assumptions and seems to be hell bent on ignoring reason, I think the gist of the message is 100% true. Never before has it been so profitable (and risk-free) to hack.
We are only seeing the beginning people. Bitcoin will push hackers and technology through greed alone. SHA256 could be cracked/exploited.
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I'll take it if you do escrow. It's impossible in Korea to get iTunes cash.
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All great posts, I also love this thread title because it's much more realistic than the typical "million dollar" expectations (which probably won't happen because when it gets that valuable, a better competing currency will be created by the free market).
I too have "cashed out" of USD in principle, but I do not believe for a second that native currencies will be replaced with Bitcoins (My utility bills in South Korea will probably always need to be paid in KRW) that the world will have a "world currency", not even to mention bitcoin's scalability issues. Rather, I find it likely that bitcoin will be used in the background to power services like western union etc. I'm homeschooled and even I know that not all country's economies are equal.
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only a year later
Matthew, one year? Most of us are already used to Matthew Time(tm) so let me recap this for you: 1 week of 4 letter acronyms UABB, bitmoling, changing whole Korea and whatnot 1 week of bittalk.tv (see Christmas is not really a mathematical exact date) 1 week of BitcoinMagazin (sometimes a week can feel like half a year...) Currently we are in your 4th week, waiting for the Ellet (I think this week will also feel like half a year) So you managed 5000 posts in 3 and a half week. Congratulation! I'll get back to you in a week on that one. |
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Tell us about how Senbonz helped you ...  Just curious.. Read the 8 page thread. |
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I'm writing this from a bus at 3:24am. I was scrolling through the staff forum and found "error"'s original request to give me a scammer tag back when I was 3 weeks old to Bitcoin and already developing useful and interesting shit. Anyone who reads the ridiculous thread where I was trying to purchase a GPU in Korea and didn't have bitcoins as fast as I thought and owed someone 1BTC who decided to go on a libel campaign instead of actually PM me and ask when I could pay, and how even the mods were quick to stomp on me and tell me how they'd never do business with me, no moral fiber, etc (this is actually where I first met Vladimir!), will know just how serious I have always been about developing bitcoin. Many people know me as a troll, but I think it's time to come clean--- I've only trolled because of how much everyone trolled me when I was just an innocent and extremely interested newbie. The paranoia here from users on in these forums has jaded me something serious, and looking back at the way I typed so passionately in defense, I have a renewed spirit in being useful and making more mistakes openly. I've heard trolls here peg me as being self important (they even think this thread is) but it's that I truly love leading, sharing ideas, building and overall being useful however possible. I digress, I have been defending myself here since day one and have said the same thing over and over again. People seem to have a short memory though, so not as a self-promotional rant but rather as a healthy and hearty "fuck you" to all those non-believing bullies who doubted me and were so sure I was up to something, I present you as celebration of 5000 posts, a look back at when I was "born". It's really entertaining, regardless of which camp you're in. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=28004.0I hope I can continue proving you cockwads wrong (like the 12 people who have me on ignore) year after year until you start learning that your formulas for "figuring people out" are broken. Sorry for the ramble. I tend to ramble after midnight. P.S. thank you senbonzakura. You changed my life in a way. So did Maged. And most definately Vladimir too. |
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Is it fixed now? Imageshack links are now automatically translated so they take you through a proxy.
Looks working fine now, checked on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=66337.0 and all images load for me. Press Shift + Refresh if you're still viewing the frog image to force clear the browser's cache. Thanks Theymos. Also, now none of the images load for me, and if I visit the link manually I get an error that says you aren't allowed to hotlink proxified images. Ditto. I was reading this thread yesterday wondering what the hell everyone was so happy about considering no imageshack images load. |
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w00t. Thanks guys. I have no idea how to make this work, but I'll figure it out.
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