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281  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump opens the doorway for Turkey to attack, then warns them of consequences. on: October 13, 2019, 07:47:34 PM
How long are we supposed to hold everyone's hand ?   

Our special forces are there training their units. We teach them and arm them. How much more do they need ?
282  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Vid of Biden admit bribe of Ukrainian Pres. to fire prosecutor investigating son on: October 13, 2019, 07:44:33 PM
ANYHOO....... can we get back to Biden?  The topic of this thread.

See what happens anything you talk bad about, or try having a conversation about, a Democrat?  

Their loyal base cant talk about it, they have to change the narrative to throw in mud on Trump

And in this thread, we see how it worked.

Dont think I saw Biden's name in any of the last 4 pages.

So here..... Biden was personally paid $900,00 according to this article
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/joe-biden-personally-paid-900000-burisma-according-ukrainian-mp-bombshell-admission
283  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Vid of Biden admit bribe of Ukrainian Pres. to fire prosecutor investigating son on: October 13, 2019, 11:37:09 AM
I know about the issue regarding charging a President, thats why impeachment was in brackets.  Why wasn't he impeached for that?   Certainly more 'evidence' or P.C. there than this Ukraine phone call

And I don't know what he was thinking.  I'm sure he didn't want it coming out at election time.  But you, what do you think?  Would this freshly revealed info really have any effect on the election?   

Trump voters knew what he was, they're not changing their vote because of this.   He'll there was evidence Hillary willfully mishandled and destroyed email evidence, her supporters didn't care 


Btw, cant wait to hear these CNN tapes this week.  I'm sure it's nothing we dint already know.... insane media bias with an agenda 
284  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Vid of Biden admit bribe of Ukrainian Pres. to fire prosecutor investigating son on: October 13, 2019, 10:46:04 AM
Not gonna quote and continue a lengthy quote chain

So the whole argument comes down to.... payment wasn't reported in accordance with campaign finance laws, right?

Who says it was campaign money? Who says it was done to further his campaign?  

When it comes to legal argument, I think that's the part that they can't prove.

I've seen that it was his own money. No issue with trading cash for an NDA.  It happens all the time. What I think the splitting hairs parts comes down to, is.... prove it was done to further his campaign.  You can't.  You can guess, assume, and reckon.  But there no way to prove that payment was related to influencing the campaign.  It is just as likely is was done to protect his marriage, family, reputation, etc...       easy to argue either side regarding intent. Very little way to prove it.  

Akin to criminal law, you arrest a burglar with a crowbar in his trunk.  Is that crowbar evidence in a "possessing instruments of a crime" charge?    Dude works construction too.    Well, we can assume the crowbar was used in the burglaries, but there's just as much assumption it's a room for work.

His lawyer at the time testified that it was to influence the election.

He made the payment weeks before the election.  The affair happened years ago.

Does this prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he made the payment because of the election?  Maybe.
Could you argue it was just a coincidence that he the election just happened to be a couple weeks after the payments?  Yes.
Does the evidence show probable cause that he committed a crime?  Absolutely.  There's more than enough to indict him and let a jury decide based on the facts.

At the end of the day, I still don't care who fucked who.  Bill did it.  I probably would too if I was offered a blowie under the desk.

This isn't about who Trump fucked.  Banging porn stars isn't illegal.  Paying them to stay quiet isn't illegal.  Nobody is saying either of those things are illegal.


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Zerohedge is largely what is called an aggregator site, meaning they largely post articles from other sources, many of them mainstream.

Eh - Stick with Drudge.  Aside from their finance stuff Zerohedge is borderline propaganda at best.  

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In November 2014, Dr. Craig Pirrong, Professor of Finance at the University of Houston, stated: "I have frequently written that Zero Hedge has the MO of a Soviet agitprop operation, that it reliably peddles Russian propaganda: my first post on this, almost exactly three years ago, noted the parallels between Zero Hedge and Russia Today."[59][60] In December 2013, Zero Hedge accused Dr. Pirrong of being a "paid-for-Professor", who had "made a living of collecting "expert academic" fees by simply signing off on [wall street] memoranda", quoting a New York Times expose by David Kocieniewski into Dr. Pirrong.[61]

In September 2015, Nobel Prize-winning economist and New York Times columnist Paul Krugman described Zero Hedge as a scaremongering outlet that promotes fears of hyperinflation and an "obviously ridiculous" form of "monetary permahawkery."[63] In November 2012, Krugman had noted that Bill McBride of Calculated Risk, an economics blog, has treated Zero Hedge with "appropriate contempt".[64] Krugman has been one of the most vilified individuals on Zero Hedge, and the subject of over 703 articles (almost all negative) since inception,[47] due to Krugman's advocacy of Keynesian economics.[h][33]


I get it, I get it.  Anyone who supports or is indifferent to Trump is wrong and you'll come up with some counter-point to anything they say.  Cool

But, if you are so correct .... why hasn't he been charged (or, impeached) for these crimes he is so guilty of?

You may claim it was influential to the election.  But, I seriously doubt anyone who voted for him gave a crap who he boned, when, or why. Knowing he had three marriages, a penchant for models, and tons of cash.... I'm sure they all expected, and any confirmation of such would have no effect on their vote.
285  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [POLL] Trump Impeachment Poll: Who's Fault Is It? on: October 13, 2019, 03:21:03 AM
There are only a certain small group of people who have any chance of 'running the country'.  All of the people in this group will do exactly what their controllers tell them to, and the plan is to nose-dive the United States into a mountain at an opportune time.  The controller's plan is to pick up the pieces and re-build to suite their agenda.  It's called 'creative destruction.'

Get out before the crash.  Go back after...at least if there is some hope at that point of re-building on some of the founding principles of the country.  There may or may not be;  that part is difficult to predict.

The whole "everyone around me is just a stupid drone, I am the only one who can see the truth" is a dangerous mentality to have.  It will prevent you from thinking objectively and questioning yourself.  


Agreed.  This is all just a ridiculous display of peacocking and pointing fingers.

Can we get back to just running the country? And stop with doing absolutely nothing other than trying to dismantle each other's party.

Congressional oversight (especially when it comes to the executive branch) is one of the most important parts of "Just running the country".




Did you ever stick your dick in something you shouldn't have ?    Did that make you unqualified to do the job your were hired to do?

That's all this comes down to. Bill did it. Trump did it. Kennedy did it. I'm sure most presidents have.

Everyone trying to exploit someone else's personal behavior for their own benefit.

Let look at something else objectively.  If it's so bad for one side to try to hide a sex partner during an election..... you think that's influencing the election.  Then why is it ok for the other side to expose someone else's sexual indiscretions prior to an election.... isn't that just as influential ? 

Both sides do the same shit. 
286  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [POLL] Trump Impeachment Poll: Who's Fault Is It? on: October 13, 2019, 01:54:00 AM

This is all just theater. 


Agreed.  This is all just a ridiculous display of peacocking and pointing fingers.

Can we get back to just running the country? And stop with doing absolutely nothing other than trying to dismantle each other's party.
287  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Vid of Biden admit bribe of Ukrainian Pres. to fire prosecutor investigating son on: October 13, 2019, 01:37:40 AM
Not gonna quote and continue a lengthy quote chain

So the whole argument comes down to.... payment wasn't reported in accordance with campaign finance laws, right?

Who says it was campaign money? Who says it was done to further his campaign? 

When it comes to legal argument, I think that's the part that they can't prove.

I've seen that it was his own money. No issue with trading cash for an NDA.  It happens all the time. What I think the splitting hairs parts comes down to, is.... prove it was done to further his campaign.  You can't.  You can guess, assume, and reckon.  But there no way to prove that payment was related to influencing the campaign.  It is just as likely is was done to protect his marriage, family, reputation, etc...       easy to argue either side regarding intent. Very little way to prove it. 

Akin to criminal law, you arrest a burglar with a crowbar in his trunk.  Is that crowbar evidence in a "possessing instruments of a crime" charge?    Dude works construction too.    Well, we can assume the crowbar was used in the burglaries, but there's just as much assumption it's a room for work.


At the end of the day, I still don't care who fucked who.  Bill did it.  I probably would too if I was offered a blowie under the desk.  What I want in a President is someone who is looking out for the country, not special interests
   I want someone not influenced by lobbyists.  I want someone willing to ruffle feathers to enforce laws.

And of course, how quickly everyone forgets the Republicans didn't want Trump on their ticket originally.  He was always an admired friend of the Dems, until he got the Republican nod.  It doesn't matter who beat Hillary. The pope could've run against her.  Whoever beat her was going to face a wrath of attacks, slander, and lies.  That's how the leftists roll. And they've proven it.
288  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Vid of Biden admit bribe of Ukrainian Pres. to fire prosecutor investigating son on: October 12, 2019, 10:34:49 PM
Sure he made a payment. I dont doubt that at all. I think the issue is somewhere in the foggy issue of disclosure related to campaigns. Technicalities.   Bill wasn't impeached for cumming on Monica's dress, he was impeached for lying about it. No biggie.


https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/403072-did-president-trump-violate-campaign-finance-laws?amp

This is actually a good impartial read regarding the "hush money" situation.
Like the author, I am quite versed in criminal law and a fair amount of civil law.  But "Campaign Finance Laws" are a strange twisted beast that I never bothered to decipher.

I know for a fact that offering cash in exchange for a signed NDA is not a crime.  I can see an issue if one used monies raised for a campaign to pay a personal debt or to exchange for an NDA. But I see no issue if personal monies were used to facilitate the NDA. I'm not sure where the campaign finance law was violated. Someone didn't disclose something.  Ok.  A rich guy screwed a hot chick. Not surprised at all.
   But, in the true art of the deal, he only paid $130,000 of his own money to make the deal.  How much did the Congress spend of TAXPAYER money to settle their indiscretions?  $17 Million. https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/16/politics/settlements-congress-sexual-harassment/index.html


Another case of:  it's ok for everyone else to do to, but if Trump does it.... game on.
289  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [POLL] Trump Impeachment Poll: Who's Fault Is It? on: October 12, 2019, 10:21:17 PM

In the 1990s I used to wonder what would happen if the far right had a voice on the internet. I just didn't realize they would be so many, and that they would be able to say so much nonsense. It's incredible Grin

I dont even know what to say to this.   Because I never thought I'd see the day when the far left had an un-censored platform to spew:
    Hatred of human decency
    Screwing children
    Hatred of America
    Approval of narcotic use
    Forcing children to believe they are opposite sexes
    Hatred of police
    Advocating physical violence against anyone who disagrees with them
    Hating men
    Hating white people (yeah, apparently thats not racist)
    Supporting illegal activity (illegal border crossings)
    Shooting cops
     
I could go on.
290  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Where do you stand on abortion? Let's have a civil debate. on: October 12, 2019, 05:37:11 AM
This is a subject I can see both sides of.  Although I'd personally lean more heavily towards the anti side of things, I can see some circumstances where abortion might be the right thing.

But at the end of the day, it does not affect me one bit, and I do not put much effort or thought into something that does not affect me. We had three children, and would never even entertain the thought of abortion.

But as long as it is legal, it's none of my concern what someone else does that has no effect on me.


The one place I do draw a hard line .... is that if one chooses to do this, I don't want it funded by my tax dollars. You made your decision, it's your problem, not mine. Likewise, if you are on welfare and churn out 11 babies with 9 different baby daddies, I shouldn't be funding and financially furthering your poor choices. Your problem, figure it out without my money. 
291  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Vid of Biden admit bribe of Ukrainian Pres. to fire prosecutor investigating son on: October 12, 2019, 04:26:24 AM
As I already explained, they controlled the DOJ and the FBI with their own criminally complicit minions,so no, they wouldn't have been prosecuted, that is until Trump got in and cleaned house. There is a plethora of evidence against the Bidens, Killery and others publicly available. What is the evidence against Trump? Please do tell, I have been waiting 3 years to hear one single scrap of evidence of his guilt. I look forward to the cricket sounds.

I'm talking about now.  
Trump has been in office for almost 3 year.
Why isn't Hillary locked up?
Why hasn't Trump appointed an independent prosecutor like he promised?

Imagine how happy it would make his base.  

Why do you think nobody is pushing this issue?  Why isn't Hannity and Tucker bringing it up?

I think it's because they know the answer.


What is the evidence against Trump? Please do tell, I have been waiting 3 years to hear one single scrap of evidence of his guilt. I look forward to the cricket sounds.

Well, for starters he tried to hide the 140k hush money payment from the FEC by having his lawyer make the payment with a shell company.  He then repaid the lawyer monthly for the next year.

Whether you like it or not, this is a federal crime, and there's more than a scrap of evidence.

I don't know, it might have something to do with cleaning house in the DOJ, the FBI, as well as the courts, not to mention the unrelenting politically motivated investigations and media hype, not to mention the fact that if he came out right away and prosecuted her leftards completely believing he is literally Hitler would then start a civil war over it. He is slowly building the narrative and acclimating the public to the facts to prevent domestic upheaval. Tucker and Hannity are on a leash, like anyone who is on an establishment network is. They don't have the freedom to go that far even if they wanted to.

Oh you mean the money he paid from his own funds to prevent a stripper with a multiple felon lawyer from attempting to smear him in public by turning his personal life into a circus, having absolutely nothing to do with election funds? The money that has already been investigated and ruled as not a violation of the law, you mean that hush money?

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/403072-did-president-trump-violate-campaign-finance-laws?amp

This is actually a good impartial read regarding the "hush money" situation.
Like the author, I am quite versed in criminal law and a fair amount of civil law.  But "Campaign Finance Laws" are a strange twisted beast that I never bothered to decipher.

I know for a fact that offering cash in exchange for a signed NDA is not a crime.  I can see an issue if one used monies raised for a campaign to pay a personal debt or to exchange for an NDA. But I see no issue if personal monies were used to facilitate the NDA. I'm not sure where the campaign finance law was violated. Someone didn't disclose something.  Ok.  A rich guy screwed a hot chick. Not surprised at all.
   But, in the true art of the deal, he only paid $130,000 of his own money to make the deal.  How much did the Congress spend of TAXPAYER money to settle their indiscretions?  $17 Million. https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/16/politics/settlements-congress-sexual-harassment/index.html


Another case of:  it's ok for everyone else to do to, but if Trump does it.... game on.
292  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Vid of Biden admit bribe of Ukrainian Pres. to fire prosecutor investigating son on: October 11, 2019, 11:58:27 PM
If there were enough evidence to convict Biden, he would be indicted by the DOJ already.  Same with Hillary.


Same with Trump

(Or he'd be in a private meeting on the tarmac with the AG, getting someone to drop an investigation)
293  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Vid of Biden admit bribe of Ukrainian Pres. to fire prosecutor investigating son on: October 11, 2019, 10:09:35 PM
You realize there were plenty of good reason to insist Ukraine got rid of the corrupt prosecutor that have nothing to do with Bidens son, right?

Also, Obama and the rest of the G8 leaders agreed that they wouldn't provide aid as long as the prosecutor was fired. Biden just delivered the message.

Also, telling a country you won't help them unless they do something isn't extortion.

If there were enough evidence to convict Biden, he would be indicted by the DOJ already.  Same with Hillary.

Oh of course, this is all just one big misunderstanding! The fact that the Bidens made millions of dollars directly from the company that was under investigation by the lead prosecutor Joe Biden demanded be fired is just one big coincidence! He was a bad man anyway, so lets just forget all about this extortion, pay for play, and general illegal conspiracy to defraud both the US and Ukraine governments. Lets let bygones be bygones right?

Change a few names and just imagine the outrage:
   Trump Jr gets put on board of Ukraine power Co, for lots of money with no qualifying experience. Some Ukraine lawyer opens investigation into that company. Trump Sr calls and tells Ukraine Pres that investigator needs fired, or else US will withhold aid funding. Investigator get fired, Ukraine gets US tax dollars, Trump Jr keeps wealthy position.
   How do you think that would play out.

It's ok when they do it, but god forbid a Republican even entertain the thought
294  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [POLL] Trump Impeachment Poll: Who's Fault Is It? on: October 11, 2019, 09:08:44 PM
Elections have consequences.  Don't forget that.


Sounds like a lesson you haven't come to terms with yet.

But.... but.... the TV told him to be mad at the orange man !

Election season is starting, Dems needed to pull out the biggest smear they could think of to do whatever they can to discredit the one President to actually keep campaign promises.

Smear him, because they have nothing notable to offer themselves.

Nothing but constant lies and twists based in no fact.

Racist.... sure, ok
woman hater.... another BS claim
Corrupt.... oh geez, about the only Pres ever to not be in this for the money

I could go on.... but some pissy pants child will call me racist for seeing thru the BS and actually admiring the best accomplishment made by any Pres in just 3 short years.

My paycheck is up, my 457b is rocketing, my military is finally rebuilt, and my borders are getting more secure
295  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: October 11, 2019, 12:21:38 PM
When the government would not control illegal purchasing of guns how then do they expect to reduce the crime rate?

Take a look at a crime rate chart for the last 30 years. The gun laws we have now have been the same since 1968 iirc. Look at that chart and tell me if the crime rate is really the problem.....or is it that EVERY shooting goes viral in minutes with the advent of the internet.

The news/internet/social media makes you believe its Armageddon.  But a review of actual statistics tells otherwise 
296  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: October 11, 2019, 08:43:42 AM
It's got nothing to do with gun shows.  The person to person sales of long guns is permitted (some states) without using an FFL, unless they live in different states. If buyer and seller live in different states, an FFL transaction is required.

And please tell me what kind of gun you can buy from an FFL without a background check

You're right.  Trying to buy a gun from a FFL without a BC is a waste of time.

You're wrong about this rule having nothing to do with gun shows:

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Any person may sell a firearm to an unlicensed resident of the State where he resides as long as he
does not know or have reasonable cause to believe the person is prohibited from receiving or
possessing firearms under Federal law.

Ever notice a bunch of nice RVs parked outside of gun shows?  It's so that any person may sell a firearm to an unlicensed resident of the State where he resides.  Totally legal and I've saved money both times I've walked out to one (Sig Sauer P320 and a Glock 19 5), although that's probably because they knew I could pass the BC and would just buy the same gun in the show if they couldn't beat it.
Getting rid of this exception is what most people mean when they say "stricter background checks".  Some mean that the actual checks should be more strict, but most mean that you shouldn't be able to buy a gun without a background check.  And I agree.





I will assert again.... the private sale of a firearm between two residents of the same state, is NOT a "gun show loophole".  It's the same legal private sale allowed on any other piece of property in the state.
   If it happens at a gun show, or in the parking lot of a Walmart, it's the same exact thing. It's been incorrectly named and makes people think it's a gun show thing.
https://www3.nssf.org/share/factsheets/PDF/MythofGunShowLoophole.pdf

And my first response, with the different rules for long gun vs handgun, that's specific to my state.      


But I think we are getting to splitting hairs.

My point of argument to almost any gun control hot air is...... what new law will stop gun murders?   The ONLY thing that's accomplished with any new gun restrictions, is the creation of more steps for people following the legal process. Those who follow the legal process, also follow the 'don't kill people law.'
    Those who don't follow the law, don't care what new laws are enacted, they won't follow any new gun law, and they don't follow that other one (killing people is illegal)

Then, to take it one step further...... to conduct a legal private sale, the seller may not sell to someone he knows is prohibited. And the buyer can not buy or possess a gun if they are a prohibited person. If either party violates those rules, they've committed a crime.     Now say we require a background check for this same sale.  If they knowingly sold to, or bought as, a prohibited person.....(committed a crime), why in the heck would they stare at each other and say "gee, I can't commit this crime, there's a background check law now".  They're still gonna trade cash for gun
297  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: October 11, 2019, 07:36:27 AM
It's got nothing to do with gun shows.  The person to person sales of long guns is permitted (some states) without using an FFL, unless they live in different states. If buyer and seller live in different states, an FFL transaction is required.

And please tell me what kind of gun you can buy from an FFL without a background check
298  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: October 11, 2019, 07:04:56 AM
We are living in a sick sick world so I think we need stricter backround checks

Can you expand on that blanket statement ?

What is being missed in current background checks? Who isn't getting a background check?

You can buy a gun without a background check from a gun show or another individual.

Long gun.... in a few states you can buy person to person.  But laws require the seller to not knowingly sell to a prohibited person

Handgun..... nope, never gets sold without a background check.

Gun show.... nope (unless it's a person to person long gun sale, in one of the few states that allow it, and the     meeting just happens to take place in the area of a gun show)

And nothing is sold from a licensed dealer, ever, without a background check, even if the dealer is at a gun show.

If anyone uses the term "gun show loophole" , that's a clear sign they don't know guns laws and are just regurgitating bull crap buzzwords
299  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [POLL] Trump Impeachment Poll: Who's Fault Is It? on: October 11, 2019, 06:02:35 AM
Honestly, anyone with half a brain and/or real life exposure, did nothing but a huge eye roll when impeachment was mentioned.
    Nothing but another cry-baby temper tantrum, and trying to throw more dirt on him before he exposes the years of political corruption.

   How does anyone in their right mind support Democrat's after all the nonsense we've watched for the last 3 years?   AOC, Clinton Cash... the stupidity and bribery are astounding.  

   Now look at the bulk of their supporters.  Kids who have no life experience, believe what Twitter headlines tell them, and make tide-pod eating decisions.

    One look at my paycheck and you'll see the root of my frustrations.  Like most working citizens, 40% of my paycheck doesn't make it to me. I'm tired of working my ass off to support those who refuse to support themselves.

   In reality, the person in the Oval Office has little effect on an individual's personal life.  Only two presidents have personally affected me.  Obama wrecked my healthcare fees.  Trump gave me a tax break.  No one else affected me

Edit: forgot Bill ..  his useless "assault" weapons ban made my pre-ban rifles quadruple in value.
300  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: October 11, 2019, 04:36:45 AM
We are living in a sick sick world so I think we need stricter backround checks

Can you expand on that blanket statement ?

What is being missed in current background checks? Who isn't getting a background check?
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