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261  Other / Politics & Society / CNN leftist bias proven on hidden camera. on: October 15, 2019, 11:57:35 AM
https://youtu.be/m7XZmugtLv4

Above is the link to the video. CNN employee tapes conversations of the bosses who no longer give a crap about honest reporting with integrity. They only want to bash Trump and republicans.

This is no surprise to anyone. But offers confirmation about their reporting motives.
262  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Hillary Clinton to Trump "Don't Tempt Me" on: October 15, 2019, 11:08:46 AM
She still feels powerful because no one has ID'd her suicide hit squad
263  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 800,000 Californians To Lose Power After Midnight on: October 15, 2019, 11:07:00 AM
Iím guessing weíll be seeing a wave of Tesla Powerwall advertisements in California in the near future.

Very green of them.  With the Lithium pit mines, and recharging those batteries with juice from coal burning power plants.
264  Other / Politics & Society / Re: why socialism? on: October 15, 2019, 11:05:10 AM
Why is  the left pushing the idea of socialism/comunism so much even tho it showed that it doesn't work many times in the past?

Because those who do not learn from history's mistakes are bound to repeat them
265  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Democrats are moving the goal posts, shifting from Russia to Racism on: October 15, 2019, 12:37:28 AM
Talk about moving the goal post.

I never said the NRA and PP were the same. I only brought up the NRA in response to TECSHARE who said:

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I don't care if it is $1, there is an inherent conflict of interest in an entity recieving federal support spending that money on political campaigns and lobbying.

So I pointed out a bunch of examples of entities receiving federal funding, including the NRA and you said:

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First. Please tell me where You're going with this 'NRA training law enforcement' thing.   I cant wait for this one.   I am law enforcement, range instructor, and armorer.  Just waiting to see how the NRA, who doesnt use tax payer money is equated to PP.

So I gave you proof that the NRA does receive tax payer money and you respond:

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Apples to oranges buddy. But good try with the google.  Any govt money going to the NRA is for firearms courses and trading, of which they are the expert. And its a drop in the bucket. Less than 5% of their income iirc.  That money doesnt just "fund the nra". It pays for the rentals of the gun ranges, cost of supplies and targets, and pays the instructors.  Range fees and instructor pay is the majority of that money. And the instructors are cops or other LE agents. The NRA facilitates the law enforcement people training themselves, not just free handouts to anyone who shows up.

I mean wtf?



Wtf?  The wtf is you dont get it, and dont ever give it a second thought to try see see the difference.

 Probably shouldn't even bother wasting the keystrokes. But, I'll try to explain this in easy terms.  

Lets say you are the boss of a law enforce the agency. You have a budget. You have to spend money on training. The cheapest option for the firearms training is an NRA sponsored class. The instructors are FBI agents certified by the NRA, or other local offers certifies by the NRA. The NRA is the premier expert in the field, and offers the best price for a required activity.  The fee you pay "to the NRA", the NRA uses to pay range rental, pay the instructors, etc... the NRA doesn't pocket the money... it goes in a circle back to training officers that need training. NRA organizes the circle. The costs to train the LE agencies actually exceeds the fee they charge. They use voluntary donations to make up the difference and fill the gap.


But thats probably over your head

Can we get back to free cigarettes?  I want the taxpayer to cover my voluntary poor decisions.  Maybe pay my independent informed decision to attend college too.

I never said the NRA and PP are the same. I agree with you. They are different.

I only posted those links because you said the NRA doesn't use taxpayer money.  They do.  Under TECSHAREs idea, this would prevent the NRA from donating to or lobbying politicians. (a long with a lot of other individuals, businesses and associations)

I didn't say TECSHAREs idea was a bad one either, I don't think it necessarily is, it's an idea I haven't considered before.  I just listed some pros and cons I thought of.  Just trying to have a discussion.




I appreciated the level headed response.  Apologies if I got a little assy earlier

 I dont have a problem with every organization getting taxpayer money.  Heck, most people would be surprised where much of it goes. I handled govt (mostly USN) purchasing contracts after i got out of the Navy in the '90's.   Govt money goes everywhere. And I doubt we all give two shits about the political preferences or donations of a company that embroiders the flight suit patches for a fighter squadron.

I dont have a problem using tax dollars educating the public on health matters (PP family services).  But a large portion of tax payers feel quite used when handouts are given to folks who ignore that education, and voluntarily engage in risky activity.

The taxpayers feel absolutely used and taken advantage of by the portion of the population who abuse the services and enjoy being a burden on the system.
  (Reference an earlier post of mine about "Intervention" and "My 600lb Life"
266  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Democrats are moving the goal posts, shifting from Russia to Racism on: October 15, 2019, 12:13:31 AM
Talk about moving the goal post.

I never said the NRA and PP were the same. I only brought up the NRA in response to TECSHARE who said:

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I don't care if it is $1, there is an inherent conflict of interest in an entity recieving federal support spending that money on political campaigns and lobbying.

So I pointed out a bunch of examples of entities receiving federal funding, including the NRA and you said:

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First. Please tell me where You're going with this 'NRA training law enforcement' thing.   I cant wait for this one.   I am law enforcement, range instructor, and armorer.  Just waiting to see how the NRA, who doesnt use tax payer money is equated to PP.

So I gave you proof that the NRA does receive tax payer money and you respond:

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Apples to oranges buddy. But good try with the google.  Any govt money going to the NRA is for firearms courses and trading, of which they are the expert. And its a drop in the bucket. Less than 5% of their income iirc.  That money doesnt just "fund the nra". It pays for the rentals of the gun ranges, cost of supplies and targets, and pays the instructors.  Range fees and instructor pay is the majority of that money. And the instructors are cops or other LE agents. The NRA facilitates the law enforcement people training themselves, not just free handouts to anyone who shows up.

I mean wtf?



Wtf?  The wtf is you dont get it, and dont ever give it a second thought to try see see the difference.

 Probably shouldn't even bother wasting the keystrokes. But, I'll try to explain this in easy terms.  

Lets say you are the boss of a law enforce the agency. You have a budget. You have to spend money on training. The cheapest option for the firearms training is an NRA sponsored class. The instructors are FBI agents certified by the NRA, or other local offers certifies by the NRA. The NRA is the premier expert in the field, and offers the best price for a required activity.  The fee you pay "to the NRA", the NRA uses to pay range rental, pay the instructors, etc... the NRA doesn't pocket the money... it goes in a circle back to training officers that need training. NRA organizes the circle. The costs to train the LE agencies actually exceeds the fee they charge. They use voluntary donations to make up the difference and fill the gap.

You have saved taxpayer money by not paying higher costs for less quality training offers by other for-profit companies

But thats probably over your head

Can we get back to free cigarettes?  I want the taxpayer to cover my voluntary poor decisions.  Maybe pay my independent informed decision to attend college too.
267  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Democrats are moving the goal posts, shifting from Russia to Racism on: October 14, 2019, 11:27:24 PM
First. Please tell me where You're going with this 'NRA training law enforcement' thing.   I cant wait for this one.   I am law enforcement, range instructor, and armorer.  Just waiting to see how the NRA, who doesnt use tax payer money is equated to PP.

Here's a few. I'm sure there are lots more.

https://www.usaspending.gov/#/award/23767473
https://www.usaspending.gov/#/award/9520472
https://www.usaspending.gov/#/award/9520780


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Next one that piques my interest every time I hear it...."restricting access to birth control".   I beg your pardon kind sir. Access is not restricted at all. Access is still available. The "access' would just not be funded by those who work for a living and actually contribute to society. They can still buy pills, condoms, and learn alternate methods.  Of course I was being a raunchy smart ass when I said pull-out, swallow ,etc...   but those are free methods, as is abstinence.   The local church does not charge a fee to teach abstinence. Poverty has nothing to do with this at all.

If we don't allow doctors to write prescriptions for birth control to people on Medicaid, their access to birth control will be restricted.  They're on medicaid because they make less than $17k a year and don't have health insurance.  You really think they will pay a couple hundred bucks a month (or every 3 months) to visit a doctor without insurance and then go pay full price at the pharmacy?

This is all besides the fact that birth control is prescribed for lots of reasons other than preventing pregnancy.


Apples to oranges buddy. But good try with the google.  Any govt money going to the NRA is for firearms courses and trading, of which they are the expert. And its a drop in the bucket. Less than 5% of their income iirc.  That money doesnt just "fund the nra". It pays for the rentals of the gun ranges, cost of supplies and targets, and pays the instructors.  Range fees and instructor pay is the majority of that money. And the instructors are cops or other LE agents. The NRA facilitates the law enforcement people training themselves, not just free handouts to anyone who shows up.
  
And your birth control argument fails to note that its not just Medicaid covered prescription.... other "programs" within offer "free" or discounted, and I'm sure they know how to work the system.
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/birth-control/birth-control-pill/how-do-i-get-birth-control-pills

Would you feel the same if Medicaid or "other govt programs" offered free or discounted cigarettes to low income folks? How is that any different?  It's a conduct that one could voluntarily just not engage in.
268  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 4/20 reform on: October 14, 2019, 10:26:24 PM
Rewarding bad behavior only encourages further bad behavior.
269  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Democrats are moving the goal posts, shifting from Russia to Racism on: October 14, 2019, 08:53:41 PM
Now  back to reality, Planned Parenthood also receives $50 to $60 million dollars a year under Title X grants, which is far different than Medicaid reimbursements. Speaking of Medicaid reimbursements, The Hyde Amendment only restricts federal funds for being directly used for abortions. States are still using taxpayer dollars to fund abortions under Medicaid. Furthermore, the federal funds, tho restricted from being used directly for abortions also frees up money that is indirectly used for abortions or to advocate for abortion for example in the form of payroll, facilities, lobbying, and campaign contributions.

Yeah.  I basically already said all this.  Although I think they get closer to $100 mil for title X.  

Actually, I think barring anyone receiving federal funds from contributing to campaigns or lobbying would be great for this country.
That's a fair argument.  This would result in a lot less money going towards campaign donations and reduce taxes overall.  But it would also increase government spending and lower the quality/value of things they spend their money on since their market would be reduced.

For example, the NRA would probably just turn down offers to train law enforcement so they could continue to spend money on campaigns and lobbying.  So the government would have to find someone else that, I assume, wouldn't provide the same quality  and/or price.

It would also be very complicated and difficult to enforce.  If a small business owner wants to make a campaign donation, whose responsibility would it be to make sure that no government employee claims any of their sales on an expense report?


Regarding PopoJeff, why is this a ridiculous argument? A refutation without substantiation is a very low form of debate. People object to taxpayer funds being used to subsidize people's bad life choices, and rightfully so. How is this argument flawed?


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I get that their "Federal Funding" is mostly Medicaid. But it's still taxpayer money used to correct an issue that so bribe created themselves.

Oh, you can't afford birth control pills? Then don't screw. Make him pull out. Or take it in the butt.
Gee, how'd you get that STD?  

Not my problem.

Taking away access to birth control for women on medicaid would result in more unwanted pregnancies.  Even if you teach them "Then don't screw. Make him pull out. Or take it in the butt."  This has been proven over history.

Unwanted pregnancies make it exponentially harder to get out of poverty and a child born into poverty is much more likely to live their life in poverty, contribute less to society, pay less taxes, commit more crimes, etc.  It's a vicious cycle.






I really did not want to continue going down this road, and wanted to get back in track with the original topic..... but some things in your post I just cant ignore.

First. Please tell me where You're going with this 'NRA training law enforcement' thing.   I cant wait for this one.   I am law enforcement, range instructor, and armorer.  Just waiting to see how the NRA, who doesnt use tax payer money is equated to PP.

Next one that piques my interest every time I hear it...."restricting access to birth control".   I beg your pardon kind sir. Access is not restricted at all. Access is still available. The "access' would just not be funded by those who work for a living and actually contribute to society. They can still buy pills, condoms, and learn alternate methods.  Of course I was being a raunchy smart ass when I said pull-out, swallow ,etc...   but those are free methods, as is abstinence.   The local church does not charge a fee to teach abstinence. Poverty has nothing to do with this at all.

Most of the left's argument skirt the big picture by using buzz words like you use on specific issues. 
The Left loves to make everyone a victim.... unless we can tax the ever living hell out of the workers. 
    Those who actually pay taxes and contribute to society are sick and tired of seeing their hard earned dollars go to waste, being abused and squandered by those who manipulate the system, rely on hand-outs, or are just unmotivated to work.   
   These are the people who vote for Trump. Employment is at an all time high, for every racial section of US society. This is the mindset of "teach a man to fish".    I have no problem helping someone out. I love to teach people how to correct their issues and their lives. But no one likes being used for their money.
270  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Democrats are moving the goal posts, shifting from Russia to Racism on: October 14, 2019, 08:47:34 AM
27% contraception.  

There are free ways. Our parent taught us, or school taught us.
lol.  And that doesn't even included the bucket of free condoms in the lobby.
Yeah.  They should be doing more abortions and prescribing less birth control.


 How the heck do you get that from what I said. No they shouldn't be doing more abortions.   I'm amazed that 27% of their expenses are spent on helping people shirk their personal responsibly, and enabling reckless behavior, or a non-necessity.

Teach them to swallow, and PP can cut 27% of their bottom line 
271  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Democrats are moving the goal posts, shifting from Russia to Racism on: October 14, 2019, 08:39:44 AM
I get that their "Federal Funding" is mostly Medicaid. But it's still taxpayer money used to correct an issue that so bribe created themselves.

Oh, you can't afford birth control pills? Then don't screw. Make him pull out. Or take it in the butt.
Gee, how'd you get that STD?  

Not my problem.

This is no different than welfare abuse.
My wife likes to watch "My 600 lb life" and "Intervention" on TV.   Guess what they have in common.  They are all on welfare, and use the welfare to buy more drugs or food.


Some PP money info:
https://www.gao.gov/mobile/products/GAO-18-204R

https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/05/429641062/fact-check-how-does-planned-parenthood-spend-that-government-money

Should we also be supplying cigarettes to those addicted?


Rather than the govt deciding where every tax dollar goes, it would be nice if the individual tax payer could allot where it goes.
Dedicated percentages assigned to essential services: Military funding, infrastructure, govt employee functions, etc.  maybe totaling 75% of your tax obligation. Then 25% elective services: homelessness, hunger, welfare, family planning, etc.. 

I'm tired of paying for everyone else's bad choices and lack of self control
272  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Democrats are moving the goal posts, shifting from Russia to Racism on: October 14, 2019, 07:06:36 AM
27% contraception.   

There are free ways. Our parent taught us, or school taught us.
273  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Joe Rogan is Now Being Targeted for De-Monetization. on: October 14, 2019, 01:21:44 AM
^^^ Sympathy for Joe isn't the important part.

If you have a website, and you have rules for people joining your site, that's fine and good. You have control over your site, welcoming people on who follow the rules, and getting rid of people who don't.

But when your site becomes so large, with such a great number of "members" that you can influence presidential elections with it, the situation changes.

Nobody is going to tell the truth all the time. Most people will tell intentional lies a little. Some people without even knowing that they just said something that was untrue. But if you manipulate people like Joe on the basis of simply reporting the news, doesn't mean you need to have sympathy for Joe. It means you need to correct freedom of speech in a website that has become a bastion of communication for all people.

Dump Joe for his proven lies, not that he reported the news and threw in his personal opinion.

Cool

Now, if they could only apply the same process to CNN
274  Other / Serious discussion / Re: We're not cutting co2 emissions any time soon on: October 14, 2019, 01:18:02 AM
Plant trees. They need CO2. And they make O2
275  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Democrats are moving the goal posts, shifting from Russia to Racism on: October 13, 2019, 11:59:34 PM
Iím by no means a trump fan, but I agree with you.  I donít know what happened before the last election but both parties shifted and almost became fringe parties.   It became more clear than ever that the 2 party system is ultimately broken.  I didnít know who to vote for because all viable candidates were way too far left or right for me to even bother voting.  

I donít want open borders, and I donít want higher taxes.  But I also think women should have a say in what they do with their uterus and think war should be avoided at all costs.   What do I do now?

 I get where youre coming from..  but where do you think think anyone is trying to restrict women's uteruses?  
   Some far right folks can certainly be ani-abortion, but the current R administration has no qualms with abortion at the moment.
   The thing that is getting spun, is they dont want tax dollars being spent on it.  Which I agree with.
 You do you, just dont expect me to pay for it.

 The govt funds Planned Parenthood, not the NRA.

The left screamed that defunding PP would be bad for women somehow.  They can correct their own issues by not letting men cum in them.
And PP isn't hurting for money, they just announced a $45mil campaign to attack Republicans.
276  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: October 13, 2019, 11:00:55 PM
When the government would not control illegal purchasing of guns how then do they expect to reduce the crime rate?

Take a look at a crime rate chart for the last 30 years. The gun laws we have now have been the same since 1968 iirc. Look at that chart and tell me if the crime rate is really the problem.....or is it that EVERY shooting goes viral in minutes with the advent of the internet.

The news/internet/social media makes you believe its Armageddon.  But a review of actual statistics tells otherwise  

Not exactly.  Back in the 1980's when the FBI was less corrupt and people sometimes did real science, they did a study to try to come up with an effective way to address the 'gun problem' since shootings were getting more common.

The study basically showed that criminals NEED guns in order to protect themselves against other criminals who they come in contact with frequently in their line of work.  For this reason they will never be dis-armed, and if their weapon of choice was somehow rendered unavailable they would 'upgrade' to a more deadly one.

The common sense solution was to make it very much more costly for criminals to use guns against non-criminals in the course of committing a crime.  The idea is that innocent bystanders will be at less risk and they getting shot will be more rare.

This policy went into effect and gun related crimes have been declining ever since (with some minor blips corresponding to general economic conditions.)

In my area, breaking into a house and stealing an ATV won't probably even land you in the country jail for more than a few hours.  Breaking into a house at stealing a gun will get the entire law enforcement spectra to go after you and if they catch you you'll do years in the pen.  This because the criminal touched a gun in the course of committing  the theft.

Most criminals in my area are smart enough to leave their guns behind when they go out to burglarize.  And, since probably 90% of homeowners are armed and ready, they are also super careful to only break into houses when the owner is not home.



Sorry, but this made no sense to me.  What study? What policy?
FBI less corrupt than now? I highly doubt that.
The only thing changing over that time frame was local laws. Not federal gun control acts.  Some sates have implemented stronger sentencing if a crime was committed with a deadly weapon.... not just guns, knives too. Bombs, grenades, nerve gas. Etc...  And thats on a state prosecution level, nothing to do with federal gun regulation
277  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 800,000 Californians To Lose Power After Midnight on: October 13, 2019, 10:44:49 PM
they think communism is "the government doing things" and not an economic system because that is what they were taught.

It's more than just an economic system. It's also the govt controlling/regulating almost every aspect of the citizen's lives.
278  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 800,000 Californians To Lose Power After Midnight on: October 13, 2019, 10:19:05 PM
This is what happens when you give greedy capitalists control over a basic utility that everyone depends on.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/11/us/california-power-outage-friday/index.html

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"Neglect, a desire to advance not public safety but profits."

... he said about the most Communist state in the union.

I was never sure you had no idea what communism was until now.  All this time I thought you were making a nuanced argument that involved mental gymnastics of connecting communism to the USSR/china/north korea to modern day leftists but now that you bring capitalist california into that realm, it turns out I was giving you too much credit. 

tecshare communism= any bad feature in society. 


Sorry, but theres a reason everyone else in the country calls it Kalifornia, or Kommiefornia
279  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Bitmain Introduces the S17+ and T17+ on: October 13, 2019, 10:16:25 PM
Agreed, two plugs splitting the load is a great idea. And even though they're pricey units.... has anyone else achieved the efficiency rating they have?

In my situation, I did not consider ROI because I used stock trading gains to buy the gear for the most part. My goal is accumulate as much as I can, at the lowest power cost possible. Until i sell everything in 2027.
280  Other / Politics & Society / Gun criminal goes free...so future gun control issues don't arise on: October 13, 2019, 09:51:45 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/11/us/ar-15-guns-law-atf-invs/index.html


Very lengthy story, so I will not add the text. 

But long story short..... dude was selling home-made AR's without serial number (which is illegal)
Building your own AR without a serial number is legal, but you cannot sell or transfer.

Defense brings into question the ATF definition of firearm, which currently includes the AR15 lower receiver.  According to ATF definition, they realize the AR15 lower receiver does not technically meet the ATF definition of receiver or firearm. Judge rules as such. He's right.

ATF backs off the prosecution, fearing a decision would create a precedence declassifying AR15 lowers as firearms.

Such a long article, I don't know if he was selling the entire rifle or just the 80% lower after completion.
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