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1221  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Freicoin: demurrage crypto-currency from the Occupy movement (crowdfund) on: May 02, 2013, 11:41:57 AM
Does anyone knowledgable of Freicoin have formulas for:

1) The value of the current block reward
2) The current money supply (other variable block reward coins have a "moneysupply" field in the getinfo response)

1)

mining

before 161280   -0.000986912724567928 * block number + 254.53671561
after 161280   95.36743164

foundation

before 161280      496.03174604

2)

if cryptocoinexplorer ever comes back up its listed on there, or you can use the formula above to calculate the money supply
1222  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Freicoin (FRC) Issues - Global or local to that exchange? on: April 28, 2013, 08:22:04 PM
Ok,

bter.com report the following:

"FRC user please note: Due to FRC's "demurrage" and as instructed by the Official Freicoin Website, we will charge 0.017% (including our maintaining fee of 0.001%) every day from your FRC balance as well as the locked in funds for pending orders. Please also note we charge 0.2% on FRC withdrawals."

Is this the correct level of demurrage?


Yes. This is an appropriate level to cover their demurrage fee costs.

dgex.com:

"no demurrage on FRC!"

Any ideas why this is - are they just covering the cost?

The operator of dgex is hoping that people will cycle their coin through the exchange, giving him the withdraw fee (1%), fast enough to cover the demurrage.

Two equally valid solutions to the same problem. Let's see which one is best. Smiley
1223  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Freicoin (FRC) Issues - Global or local to that exchange? on: April 28, 2013, 08:08:55 PM
If you go to your account on Cryptonit you can see a full history of all your trades.

CryptoCoin -> Exchange -> Order Details -> Select currency pair -> History

Using the wallet to move money does not mean that you cannot log it. Cryptonit says that they would like to release correspondence with maaku but has not gotten permission yet. This should mean that maaku can clarify what the issue is here.

Go talk to maaku to help Cryptonit or at least get him to explain what the issue is so perhaps the community can come up with a solution. Freicoin is open source and I'm sure maaku would appreciate any contributions.

I would be interested to know what the issue is and is there are any fixes.

Mugen lost customer coins during cryptonit FRC beta. I know because I covered his losses at this time from my own pocket. He released his FRC exchange knowing it was broken against advice.
1224  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Freicoin (FRC) Issues - Global or local to that exchange? on: April 28, 2013, 08:04:28 PM

Thanks for this.

The logs were sort-of stored in the on system emails - but I had to delete them to get technical support :/. So now there is no record of my original balance.

Luckily I started logging it after a week or two. I may have lost about 2,000 - 3,000 FRC. (About 2BTC)

Are there any other exchanges that support FRC? Or is it local wallets only?

We have two new exchanges that have sprung up from cryptonit's fumble.


bter.com

and

dgex.com


I'm not sure which of those will end up being the "mtgox" of Freicoin. May the best exchange win. Smiley
1225  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Freicoin (FRC) Issues - Global or local to that exchange? on: April 28, 2013, 07:50:55 PM
Cryptonit directly uses the bitcoin "move" RPC function to manage his user accounts.

What does this mean for you?

mugen isn't keeping any accounting records of what his customers are doing. So if one of his exchanges has a bug, like his Freicoin exchange did, he cannot determine what amounts all of his accounts should have. Mugen's exchange had a bug where he lost customer funds when the site was in beta. Actually, this is the same bug his site had to shut down for recently. He was advised to implement his exchange using external accounting & logs.

Had mugen built his exchange so that it kept accounting records and logs he wouldn't have had any problems trading Freicoin and other coins. Unfortunately, even if someone wanted to make all of his depositors whole they couldn't do it because he doesn't keep the records necessary to pay people back.

I strongly recommend you stay very far away from cryptonit for ANY coin.
1226  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Cryptonit is having problems - buy FC from me 80 LTC per 1000 FC on: April 28, 2013, 06:26:31 AM
Cryptonit directly uses the bitcoin "move" RPC function to manage his user accounts.

What does this mean for you?

mugen isn't keeping any accounting records of what his customers are doing. So if one of his exchanges has a bug, like his Freicoin exchange did, he cannot determine what amounts all of his accounts should have. Mugen's exchange had this same massive bug where he lost customer funds when the site was in beta. He was advised to implement his exchange using external accounting & logs.

Had mugen built his exchange so that it kept accounting records and logs he wouldn't have had any problems trading Freicoin and other coins. Unfortunately, even if someone wanted to make all of his depositors whole they couldn't do it because he doesn't keep the records necessary to pay people back.

I strongly recommend you stay very far away from cryptonit for ANY coin.
1227  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: FinCen preparing to prosectute some Bitcoin users on: April 26, 2013, 04:00:03 AM
I reached out to Bradley Jansen for a response to your comment, his reply:
"No, FinCEN does not "prosecute" but they do set the AMLs.  The regulators and law enforcement follow them."

Oh, well, that's a completely different claim than was made on your radio program. Did your guest not do any research before going on the air?
1228  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: FinCen preparing to prosectute some Bitcoin users on: April 26, 2013, 03:27:38 AM

This is a good point.. i list on my taxes 'computer leasing'  not minting money!

Hahaha, that is a surprisingly accurate statement. I think FinCEN's poor guidance and inclusion of miners as a "money transmitter" comes from their lack of understanding the mining process and that the government doesn't really care as much about Bitcoin as we'd like to believe.
1229  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: FinCen preparing to prosectute some Bitcoin users on: April 26, 2013, 02:55:25 AM
If you've got an accusation to make, do it.  I don't hide behind fake names and I don't lie either by intention or omission.  

If you've got evidence to the contrary, I encourage you to publicly post it - I live by my reputation.

FinCEN does not "prosecute." You need to provide proof for your guest's irrational claims or issue a correction.
1230  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: FinCen preparing to prosectute some Bitcoin users on: April 26, 2013, 02:42:47 AM
This thread is a nice attempt to scare the readers of the forum into listening to the inaugural episode of this radio show. Luckily, nothing he says is grounded in reality.

Nobody associated with the show started this thread - Put yourself in the perspective of FinCEN and see what actions make sense.

Spoiler: They're not nice for Bitcoin.

And I don't care if you listen, if the content isn't interesting enough to warrant your time, you won't.  If we're talking with people in interesting roles about important topics, chances are pretty good you will even if you don't like what's being said.

Adam B. Levine


What you need to do is find ONE example of FinCEN prosecuting anyone -- ever.
1231  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: FinCen preparing to prosectute some Bitcoin users on: April 26, 2013, 02:31:49 AM
This thread is a nice attempt to scare the readers of the forum into listening to the inaugural episode of this radio show. Luckily, nothing he says is grounded in reality.
1232  Economy / Economics / Re: = Grand Unified Solution to Lost Coins, Hoarding, Deflation, Speculation = on: April 13, 2013, 05:50:10 PM







This already exists, it is called Freicoin.



http://freico.in/about/

We already have the software released & ready to download. Smiley
1233  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Coins just steadily fading away on: March 23, 2013, 05:16:02 PM
You're right, they really do!
I didn't notice until today. When you start your wallet up and the blockchain starts catching up, your wallet balance starts trickling down.

I assume that given enough time, every Freicoin in existence will eventually disappear into nothingness. How strange!

They don't disappear, what is get from demurrage is sent to the blocks.
You lose around 4.9% of the original value every year, so your coins to totally fade away you would wait almost the aeon.

This is correct. It will take ~15 years for half of the coins you have to recycle to the miners.

nethead is incorrect in saying these coins go to the foundation. The foundation only gets a percentage of the initially mined coins. The miners get the demurrage fee (technically -- its not the same coins, but the exact same number of coins).
1234  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [CLOSED] Freicoin: Guess the difficulty drop, win 5500 FRC! on: March 22, 2013, 02:34:53 AM
Here it is:
1DbnisnWCqX49d47f5MoKcd1mPLn7wD9p8

Thank you, sir Smiley

Ok, your coin has been sent too. That was a good game I hope we don't have to do it again. Smiley
1235  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [CLOSED] Freicoin: Guess the difficulty drop, win 5500 FRC! on: March 21, 2013, 10:28:44 PM
Galambo has send me 2500 FRC even though he had to pay out twice (two winners). He could have split the reward but didn't Thanks!  Smiley

PM'ed the other two pledgers.



I accidentally pmed this guy thinking he won to contest, but I didn't understand the rules were backwards from what I thought they would be.


DarkHyudrA - please post your FRC address so we can pay out. Thank you!
1236  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: FreiCoin (FRC) Fork WITHOUT 80% Of Coins Given To FreiCoin Foundation on: March 21, 2013, 11:46:27 AM
May I ask you a two questions about FreiCoin?
- How long blocks is immature  or  need confirmation?
- Award for the block is constant?
Thanks.

1) 120 blocks need to be mined until maturity
2) The reward is not constant, but it is predictable. It starts out at ~250 per block, and linearly decreases to a steady state value of around 100 coins per block @ around 160000 blocks mined. Each block mined will always have a reward at least 100 until the end of time. For the actual eqn you can find it in the client sourcecode.
1237  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How to mine FRC? on: March 20, 2013, 11:01:02 PM
The easiest way to get started mining Freicoin on Windows is to make sure you have the latest graphic drivers for your card, then launch the GUI miner program:

https://bitcointalk.org/?topic=3878.0

Create a new OpenCL miner from the menu (try the other choices if OpenCL gives you trouble), and configure it with the following options:

Server: Other
Host: pool.freico.in
Port: 9638
Username: (your freicoin address, from the client, or generate a public address and private key at bitaddress.org - make sure to print this out)
Password: 123 (can be anything, but must not be empty; not used)

Ignore the extra flags for now (efficiency settings - you can research that later). Hit 'start mining' (you may have to resize the dialog box to see the button).


You can also use the instructions on coinotron.com
1238  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [CLOSED] Freicoin: Guess the difficulty drop, win 5500 FRC! on: March 20, 2013, 11:34:57 AM
The winner appears to be


wachtwoord
1363958355 -epoch
Fri, 22 Mar 2013 13:19:15 GMT


Please post an address or PM address, thanks.
1239  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: FinCEN says you must be MSB if you sell bitcoins for $ on: March 19, 2013, 02:04:33 AM
So, now it's time for the OP to tell us what scenario he *actually* described to them.  Because this doesn't at all sound like "selling Bitcoins on my website."

Once again, the legal position of Bitcoin is very simple.  "Money" is that which has future value.  "Currency" is that which has current value.  Bitcoin is a currency, with no guarantee of future value.
FinCEN regulations only requires that you transmit "currency, funds, or other value that substitutes for currency". Transferring Bitcoins to the buyer transmits currency (or value that substitutes for currency).

Quote
This has nothing to do with Bitcoin.  Bitcoins can't be regulated, because they come with no implied guarantees of future value, no backing and thus no counter-party risk to regulate.
But *selling* Bitcoins has counter-party risk for the buyer. The seller might take his money and not provide him the Bitcoins. This is precisely the reason (or at least, the supposed reason) money transmitters are regulated.


What does this mean for Ripple? Sad
1240  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Freicoin: Guess the difficulty drop, win 5500 FRC! on: March 18, 2013, 11:37:52 AM
there are only 36 blocks remaining (2%)
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