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1381  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: WTB Computer Hardware with FRC on: January 04, 2013, 04:48:41 AM
Would anybody be interested in buying a Logitech G25 for Freicoin?

If you've ever considered playing a racing simulator and are mining Freicoin this may be your cheapest way to get one.

This is kind of different as far as computer hardware goes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My-stwgRI50

It saved my life when I lived in a very rural place. Perhaps you also need the routine of driving in circles looking for fractions of a second.

27,000 FRC with shipping, but you'll have to be patient with me. It's heavy and big.
1382  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: FreiCoin (FRC) discussion (was FreiCoin (FRC) for TRC, PPC, LTC or BTC) on: January 04, 2013, 04:28:13 AM
Boom...




I think another chart would be handy.... hashrate seams to have dropped

More blocks need to be solved before we will have real data on this. It's still greater than 40GH/s, guaranteed, not counting pools I don't know about and solo miners.
1383  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: FreiCoin (FRC) discussion (was FreiCoin (FRC) for TRC, PPC, LTC or BTC) on: January 03, 2013, 11:46:22 PM

Thank you!
I wonder what those huge peaks on PPcoin are...


The hashrate calculator on abe is probably built on a constant difficulty assumption. PPcoin changes all the time so I'd imagine the hashrate for it, and any of the altchains that don't use Bitcoin's proof of work system, are wildly inaccurate estimates. Its probably just noise.
1384  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Yet another DOTA2 Freicoin Auction (150FRC Starting Bid) on: January 03, 2013, 11:46:07 AM
Hehe, maybe the recipient (me) could open a thread on "scam accusations" that you stole his (my) "money", just like bitcoinstor did... lol (dont know if you know the story but it was atleast hilarious)

I didn't make this connection until now.  Grin Haha! Keep mining Freicoin you can keep all the coins you mine (except those lost to demurrage).  Tongue
1385  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: My Opinion on FRC on: January 03, 2013, 11:40:23 AM
DPony13, Thanks for sharing your opinion on Freicoin.

I think you may have a misconception.

You lose 5% per year. Not per transaction.

Thanks again!
1386  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: FreiCoin (FRC) discussion (was FreiCoin (FRC) for TRC, PPC, LTC or BTC) on: January 03, 2013, 01:58:57 AM
A new system of accounting was popularized in response to new risks and crisis which appeared in the 15 Century, an era dominated by the Venetian trade empire.

As we are faced by new risks and crisis our goal is to promote the use of cryptocurrency. We want to do this in appropriate places to help the global economy overcome all obstacles.

I think Freicoin is the best vehicle to do that.

How about you?
1387  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: FreiCoin (FRC) discussion (was FreiCoin (FRC) for TRC, PPC, LTC or BTC) on: January 01, 2013, 04:03:57 PM

How did this develop into a discussion of economic fairness?


One of the reasons is related to our mascot, the arctic tern.

The world most people are looking for and the world of the tern are nearly the same. A soaring bird, like the tern, is only seconds away from a collision with the ground. The bird must respect and obey the natural laws or suffer the worst consequences.  Yet, its able to use its brain to stay aloft for hours. In contrast, man's laws are regularly abused by corruption, intimidation, and celebrity. Punishment has become increasingly avoidable, especially in finance. Most people agree this is a net negative for humanity.

What maaku and jtimon have done is come up with a method for making the system of finance behave more naturally. This is very much in the interest of "fairness." Everything decays; so should our money.

Freicoin is a lot like flying through the air. You must either spend energy and flap your wings, or be smart and find rising air to soar if you want to stay up. To those who argue that 5% demurrage may be the wrong value -- gravity on the surface of the earth is a constant -- does that make flight and crashing impossible?
1388  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Official Newbie BitInstant Support Thread (Active Customer Support) on: December 31, 2012, 10:50:08 PM

Of course..instant or your money back!

Just tried out your service. My store receipt and the time it got onto the block chain differed by 14 seconds. Can I get a refund?  Grin Just kidding.

Great service, Charlie. What ya'll are doing here is no less than amazing.
1389  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: FreiCoin (FRC) discussion (was FreiCoin (FRC) for TRC, PPC, LTC or BTC) on: December 31, 2012, 03:45:13 AM
I guess real demurrage can only work if you force this money on your people like in Wörgl. As soon as people can opt out for their savings, it will only be some good-will shoppers that put some toy money into it but keep their savings in other currencies. Will BitPay offer some product for web shops to accept Freicoin and instantly convert it to real Bitcoin? I don't see the point.

Lastly if people speculate on Freicoin gaining value what they do already, they totally contradict the concept of demurrage as clearly the value of Freicoin gets deflationary and not inflationary as claimed by the project.

Ok. Now you're just trying to be funny, or mean.  Sorry you don't like the Freicoin.
1390  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: My edit war with Luke-jr on: December 31, 2012, 03:43:54 AM
That's a pretty harsh indictment ckolivas. Why do you not like luke-jr so much?
1391  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: FreiCoin (FRC) discussion (was FreiCoin (FRC) for TRC, PPC, LTC or BTC) on: December 31, 2012, 03:05:37 AM
But in Bitcoin, the mining subsidy is called that for a reason. Bitcoin is a very "political" coin, as well, if you consider the behavior of Freicoin to be political. These are all design decisions meant to encourage or discourage specific behavior. We'd like to encourage behavior that most people outside of this community would consider to be more fair.

Bitcoin is agnostic about who receives the subsidy. Freicoin has 80% of its reserve ready to be handed out based on opinion.

Sure every *thing* can be a tool for an agenda but with bitcoin I can guess the agenda. It's gold-bugs for nerds. With Freicoin I might end up subsidizing armed forces and high security houses to defend the core developers? You really can't tell today what later these funds might be deemed worthy being spent on and 80% is just too much to just ignore the fact when opting to buy into Freicoin.

Again, 5% inflation is a joke and effectively will not make it any different than Bitcoin for the first 20 years of existence except for the excessive mining costs but what will definitely hold me from even mentioning you as an alternative to anybody no matter how well aligned with demurrage and bitcoin his preferences might be is this 80% unpredictability.


You seem pretty jaded here by past failures in the Bitcoin economy. Running off with all the Freicoin to buy private armies and high security houses? We're trying to be above the board, not be the next pirateat40. Everything we do will be disclosed and corroborate with what is observed in the blockchain. Maybe you will believe it later when the grants process actually starts.

If you don't want cryptocurrency to remain the realm of "gold-bug nerds" then you should at least recognize that something like the Freicoin will eventually have to happen.
1392  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: FreiCoin (FRC) discussion (was FreiCoin (FRC) for TRC, PPC, LTC or BTC) on: December 31, 2012, 02:42:55 AM

I just read this sentence again:

« In fact, the unfair economic advantages of simply being wealthy are diminished with Freicoin »

That's so awesome.  Isn't that a great pleonasm?  I mean, doesn't "being wealthy" consist, by definition, of having an economic advantage?   And what  exactly is unfair with this?

Economics exists to solve a resource allocation problem. Because someone has an extraordinary amount of currency, does that necessarily mean they should have an insurmountable advantage over people who have better ideas of how to use some resources? Of course not. Thats a pretty perverted consequence of the "fiat" system, and the system that Bitcoin promotes. We didn't want this in our currency, so we tried to design it out. That is the entire point of the demurrage.
1393  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: FreiCoin (FRC) discussion (was FreiCoin (FRC) for TRC, PPC, LTC or BTC) on: December 31, 2012, 02:37:16 AM
I see that as a big big problem. Many people like bitcoin because it is not designed to be handed to those that some politicians deem too big to fail aka important. Freicoin does just the same thing by handing free money to those organisations or individuals that some politicians inside freicoin deem more important than their respective competition. Happily distorting the market if it was worth anything.

That this can also happen with a huge amount of corruption and scamming only adds to why I absolutely can not support it at all. Not with 80%, not with 8%, not with 8 Freicoin reserved for a political purpose.

Sure, but in a way we should be happy about this thing.  Because Freicoin is the answer to most of the ranting we've been hearing ever since the beginning of bitcoin.  Instead of trying to convince them on how wrong they are, we can just tell them:  "well you can just use freicoin, then".

As a bitcoin user I still have to use fiat currencies everyday, anyway.  Between USD/EUR/Whatever and Freicoin, I'd rather use freicoin.

Exactly. This is the most adult rejection of the Freicoin I have read yet and I'm perfectly okay with it.

The audience for freicoin and the audience for bitcoin are completely different. We serve different markets which shares very little in common.
1394  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: FreiCoin (FRC) discussion (was FreiCoin (FRC) for TRC, PPC, LTC or BTC) on: December 31, 2012, 02:28:35 AM

Political money.


I feel the freicoin website spells that out pretty well. Do you see that as a problem, or just different than bitcoin?

I see that as a big big problem. Many people like bitcoin because it is not designed to be handed to those that some politicians deem too big to fail aka important. Freicoin does just the same thing by handing free money to those organisations or individuals that some politicians inside freicoin deem more important than their respective competition. Happily distorting the market if it was worth anything.

That this can also happen with a huge amount of corruption and scamming only adds to why I absolutely can not support it at all. Not with 80%, not with 8%, not with 8 Freicoin reserved for a political purpose.
You may see that as a problem but there's nothing I can do to convince you otherwise.

But in Bitcoin, the mining subsidy is called that for a reason. Bitcoin is a very "political" coin, as well, if you consider the behavior of Freicoin to be political. These are all design decisions meant to encourage or discourage specific behavior. We'd like to encourage behavior that most people outside of this community would consider to be more fair.
1395  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: FreiCoin (FRC) discussion (was FreiCoin (FRC) for TRC, PPC, LTC or BTC) on: December 31, 2012, 01:57:03 AM

Political money.


I feel the freicoin website spells that out pretty well. Do you see that as a problem, or just different than bitcoin?
1396  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: FreiCoin (FRC) discussion (was FreiCoin (FRC) for TRC, PPC, LTC or BTC) on: December 30, 2012, 04:26:13 PM
That's quite impressive @ 60 GHs already. I was successful in getting goods with FRC today so I guess we can call this currency legit?

The biggest advantage of spending FRC is that you have peace of mind. You know that you won't have lost out or treated your trading partner unfairly due to wild swings in value, because the coins are continuously being recirculated. Congrats on being one of the first people to realize this and take a trade to completion. Smiley
1397  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: FreiCoin (FRC) discussion (was FreiCoin (FRC) for TRC, PPC, LTC or BTC) on: December 30, 2012, 03:44:03 PM
I made a quick graph of the hashrate so far.  Smiley

You missed a point.  Grin



68GH/s!!

1398  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: FreiCoin (FRC) discussion (was FreiCoin (FRC) for TRC, PPC, LTC or BTC) on: December 29, 2012, 11:50:16 PM
So about this demurrage..... What is to stop people from doing the obvious: creating a script that just shuffles FRC coins back and forth between different addresses/wallets to avoid demurrage?

Demurrage is calculated based on block height, so it won't work. The demurrage isn't technically applied until you try to make a transaction.
1399  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: FreiCoin (FRC) discussion (was FreiCoin (FRC) for TRC, PPC, LTC or BTC) on: December 28, 2012, 08:06:47 PM

I made another graph to celebrate breaking past 50GH/s. Additionally, the difficulty has increased and is now 4096. We now have more hashes/second than any other SHA256 coin (TRC, PPC, etc), besides Bitcoin. The growth in computing power supporting the Freicoin is exceeding all of my expectations.

1400  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: FreiCoin (FRC) discussion (was FreiCoin (FRC) for TRC, PPC, LTC or BTC) on: December 27, 2012, 01:29:16 AM
Galambo I'm on a phone right now so not in great positions to debate. I quoted what I believed to be assertions that freicoin will gain value over the next few years and suggestions that now is the best time to buy. Nobody knows that. That is what rubbed me the wrong way, it reads like hype and advertising.


I'd like to point out there isn't an orderbook exchange for Freicoin. You cannot "buy" Freicoin because there's nowhere to buy it. Saying "this is a good time (probably the best time) to pick up cheap coins" only refers to people mining the Freicoin, because compared to Bitcoin mining the Freicoin is still super cheap. The difficulty of Bitcoin is 3000 times where Freicoin is currently.


And rather than dismiss my concerns by saying freicoin I'd not for everyone, why not explain to skeptical newcomers like myself why freicoin is a superior means of exchange?

If you haven't noticed we aren't actively promoting this on the Bitcoin forums. We didn't even make a thread here because we prefer to use our own forum and IRC. I'd rather communicate with people that understand what we're trying to do. We're not marketers/advertisers, and we were not optimizing our behavior to maximize your perception of value. All of our decisions have a singular focus, which is getting the coins into as a diverse set of hands as possible.
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