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1341  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Kim Dotcom Mansion: Press conference 2013-01-17 GMT on: January 16, 2013, 12:18:44 AM
Kim-Koin is a much more likely scenario. If you know any tiny bit of this guy's history you will know what I am saying.
1342  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Next Freicoin Difficulty on: January 15, 2013, 03:16:55 AM
Good job, Bushstar. I love seeing what data mining can be done on Freicoin.
1343  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Maybe everyone here will learn a lesson about pre-orders on: January 13, 2013, 05:45:38 AM
This is a unique time in Bitcoin's history. I don't imagine this will be repeated again. I think you lack perspective in not realizing that these products would have not been created without the pre-orders. It simply was not possible. In the future you would be a fool to preorder. Most understand that this process was a gamble. Some will win and some will lose.
1344  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: 253 BTC Bet that Butterfly Labs will Not Deliver an ASIC Prior to March 1st on: January 12, 2013, 06:30:33 PM
http://www.thebitcointrader.com/2013/01/253-btc-3577-usd-bet-that-butterfly.html

I wonder if this bettor has inside information.  That's a lot of money to put on the line without some sort of information to back it up.

Considering that there are still 14561.94104029 BTC on source address, 250btc is a small number for this person.

Edit:
I thought maybe it could be a shared web wallet, mtgox type, but I would say no.
curiosity:https://blockchain.info/related_tags?active=1Fx3N5iFPDQxUKhhmDJqCMmi3U8Y7gSncx


This is the MPEx Exchange address (1Fx3N5iFPDQxUKhhmDJqCMmi3U8Y7gSncx). So is this betting with customers exchange funds, or the bookkeeper betting against his own customers (Mircea Popescu partially owns BitBet)?
1345  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: FreiCoin (FRC) discussion (was FreiCoin (FRC) for TRC, PPC, LTC or BTC) on: January 08, 2013, 12:24:21 PM

1) PPC is preannounced 1 week before release on bitcointalk, no we didn't just announce it on our own website  Wink

2) PPC block chain started at difficulty 256 and 800 blocks later it was already at difficulty 1000. So no we didn't allow massive amount of low difficulty blocks by design. Our continuous difficulty adjustment works well to further limit the number of initial low difficulty blocks.

Yes early adopters are still rewarded with more ppc but that's over weeks and months plus 1 week preannouncement on bitcointalk so it is much more fair for the mining society interested in altcoins.




I don't understand. Are you trying to claim that PPCoin had a more fair initial distribution? I disagree with that statement. If you would like to dissect it we can do it in a new thread. Specifically, you chose the block reward as the inverse of the difficulty. If you think Freicoin is "unfair" to miners, why does PPCoin pay miners less to do more work?
1346  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: FreiCoin (FRC) discussion (was FreiCoin (FRC) for TRC, PPC, LTC or BTC) on: January 08, 2013, 03:00:00 AM

Hmm, I must have an odd one in my head, or maybe I'm confusing it with some art-deco wheat I saw or something.

I think part of the point remains though, how does a peer to peer distributed currency that does not promote or require unity in any real way get to "Strength in Unity?


Hmm.. I think you may be thinking of the Fleur-de-lis?

1347  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: FreiCoin (FRC) discussion (was FreiCoin (FRC) for TRC, PPC, LTC or BTC) on: January 08, 2013, 01:14:40 AM
I also like the ⌠ for historical/symbolic reasons. Maybe if you knew the reason you would understand more of what I am thinking here.


Quote
The ∫ symbol  is used to denote the integral in mathematics. The notation was introduced by the German mathematician Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz towards the end of the 17th century. The symbol was based on the ſ (long s) character, and was chosen because Leibniz thought of the integral as an infinite sum of infinitesimal summands. See long s for more details on the history of ſ.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integral_symbol
1348  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: FreiCoin (FRC) discussion (was FreiCoin (FRC) for TRC, PPC, LTC or BTC) on: January 08, 2013, 01:08:06 AM

FYI, that also looks like one of 3 sticks needed for a fasces (add 1 straight, 1 curved the other way, and a horizontal line or two for the rope and you have a fascism symbol), which might not be the best link.


This is the traditional fasces. I don't see how it resembles it?



Anyways, the fasces isn't evil. It's a roman symbol to represent "strength through unity." Its a heraldic charge used by many small towns in Europe.

You probably already know this, but there are two fasces prominently flanking the rostrum of the United States House of Representatives, where the Speaker of the House sits.

1349  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: FreiCoin (FRC) discussion (was FreiCoin (FRC) for TRC, PPC, LTC or BTC) on: January 08, 2013, 01:02:50 AM
Nobody likes my idea to have a scientific notation built into the way we write the coin?  Cry I thought it was a great idea. Especially for talking about microeconomics (big numbers) and for microtransactions (small numbers)




If Europe is using the Euro now, can we contemplate stealing the "Fr" notation?



How about  24.9356╒ ╛  

or 24.9356




Maybe we can use the symbol for a dutch guilder?  5ƒ  = five freicoin

I like the ⌠ because its simpler.
1350  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: FreiCoin (FRC) discussion (was FreiCoin (FRC) for TRC, PPC, LTC or BTC) on: January 08, 2013, 12:50:41 AM
Why is maximum difficulty multiplier limited to 4?  Huh

Bitcoin does the same thing it is a safety mechanism to prevent for a griefing attack.  

It's not about greifing. Its a consequence of control theory. The gain of the controller must be limited or the system may overshoot or become instable.
1351  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: FreiCoin (FRC) discussion (was FreiCoin (FRC) for TRC, PPC, LTC or BTC) on: January 07, 2013, 11:04:40 PM

How is it difficult to understand on the second day 8000 blocks were mined.  Are you saying it took longer? I'd like to see that data.  I'm purely going off the charts provided here, which maybe wrong.  Is there a way to view when blocks where made on freicoin?  I'd like to see when block 1 and 8000 were made.  Then its easy math.

PS

It took about 2 days for 8000 blocks, but thats just how the difficulty adjustment in Bitcoin is designed. We would have gotten to 8000 even faster if the network had more hashing power, believe it or not.
1352  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: FreiCoin (FRC) discussion (was FreiCoin (FRC) for TRC, PPC, LTC or BTC) on: January 07, 2013, 10:53:09 PM
Take a look at the 2 charts above.  One is time vs hashs and the other is block vs hashs.  On each of the charts look where 10 g/hash lands. Its on day 2 and block 8000.  Someone did 8000 blocks in the first 2 days.

PS

The bitcoin difficulty algorithm is a tough subject to understand and I won't fault you for misunderstanding. What you're seeing is a consequence of the design of Bitcoin. Its not anything nefarious. Sorry.
1353  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: why I liquidated my FRC on: January 07, 2013, 01:17:48 PM
Overall I spent 2 BTC and traded 15K PPC to acquire 20K FRC. I sold it all for 6.4 BTC. I took a small loss to liquidate.

The price of PPCoin has fallen by about 10% in the last few days. I don't know that you lost that much. 4.66125 BTC for your PPCoin and 2 BTC makes 6.7 BTC.

So you lost .3 BTC but instead you're sitting in the much more liquid BTC.

If you were looking to get out of risk (altcoins) I think you are a good trader to make so many transactions in a short time and only lose 0.3 BTC.
1354  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: A foundation with 80% of the coins can never work. on: January 07, 2013, 01:09:42 PM
Can I see the discussion where it was decided 80 would be the % given to a foundation ?
...

Sorry, I missed your post.

http://www.freicoin.org/demurrage-should-it-all-go-to-miners-t20.html
http://www.freicoin.org/issuing-the-full-base-at-launch-t58-20.html

It's been in discussion for over a year. I didn't like the idea at first and was a bit of a jerk about it, myself.

Quote from: galambo
Hello, Red Cross, this is the internet calling to tell you that we have just donated one million internet dollars to your organization. Please tell me your e-mail address so that I may send you an executable to run and claim your prize.  


So I can understand where the forum is coming from in that respect.

Since then I've changed my mind. But I understand how negative emotions are the first thing that comes up when confronted with this idea. A little thinking about the network effects of giving the coins to people who didn't mine it changed my mind. This could be just what we need if we do it properly.
1355  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: A foundation with 80% of the coins can never work. on: January 07, 2013, 03:28:10 AM
galambo won't answer me because he is scared that the answer will not involve sock-puppets.

As you can see, hanzac, you can't be a real person in ElectricMucus's mind because you rephrased his bad question into being a fair one. Therefore, you must be me, right? Nobody else could possibly find ElectricMucus to be irritating or obnoxious, otherwise he would have a yellow ignore link. If he had a yellow ignore link it would indicate he is one of the most ignored people on the forum and we're wasting our time reading his messages. But ElectricMucus doesn't have a yellow ignore link.  Wink
1356  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: A foundation with 80% of the coins can never work. on: January 07, 2013, 03:21:19 AM

I think you should ask "why do you think that the foundation would do something more helpful than some other investors/users or massive public"? If they don't do anything, in what hand they can get the fortune? God bless?  Cheesy

Good question, hanzac.

I'd like to remind you that in the original Satoshi bitcoin client code the mining reward is called a "subsidy" for a very good reason. It is a political design decision to give the miners all of the coins and not an integral part of Bitcoin. As we've discovered, this design decision leads to an insular community of computer hobbyists with private supercomputers to be the only ones who value or use the coin. So, currently, the Bitcoin is not in the hands of users or the massive public, but instead its in the hands of speculators, gamblers, and miners.

To solve this problem we're going to try to allocate a large number of the initially mined coins to non-technical people who are productive in fields other than computers and electronics. These people exist and if cryptocurrencies are meant to succeed in the long run these types of people will need to be given something to encourage them to participate in the system. Eventually the gifted coins will slip from their fingers to be remined, just like any other Freicoins that will exists. I hope you understand and appreciate the design of Freicoin.
1357  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: A foundation with 80% of the coins can never work. on: January 07, 2013, 02:53:27 AM
We not gonna settle for that, anyway. This shit will be brought down one way or the other. And the ones responsible tared and feathered.
I'll be just like Realsolid and BitcoinExpress, can't wait.  Smiley

Still waiting for a response to my bold question above ^^

I'm starting to get the impression that you are very disturbed by what we are doing. Most replying are just curious, initally negative, or "hating." Thats totally understandable when dealing with a new technology.

But you concern me. Please don't read our threads if you feel this threatened by a computer program.
1358  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: FreiCoin (FRC) discussion (was FreiCoin (FRC) for TRC, PPC, LTC or BTC) on: January 07, 2013, 02:40:58 AM


I'm not a fan.

I would rather just

355.6 frc
or
355.6(with an F like the bitcoin  ฿)

I'll keep using it and see if it catches on.
1359  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: why I liquidated my FRC on: January 07, 2013, 02:38:11 AM
How much BTC did you make from your Freicoin liquidation, if you don't mind sharing?
1360  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: A foundation with 80% of the coins can never work. on: January 07, 2013, 01:59:24 AM

Wait a sec, that is good, if noone ever touches the "foundation" funds. If i understood that right, the foundation demuraged funds are back for mining, right? (no? duh, explain)
Then there shouldnt be any foundation at the first place, and miners should get the same amount (this 5%(dunno if its even close to 50 frc/block)
Then all those threads wouldnt exist and everybody would be happy with our new coin lol

Yes, if noone ever touches the foundation funds the miners will eventually end up with it anyways. So, it's really not as much of an issue as everyone makes it out to be.
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