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on: January 13, 2013, 05:45:38 AM
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This is a unique time in Bitcoin's history. I don't imagine this will be repeated again. I think you lack perspective in not realizing that these products would have not been created without the pre-orders. It simply was not possible. In the future you would be a fool to preorder. Most understand that this process was a gamble. Some will win and some will lose.
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Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: 253 BTC Bet that Butterfly Labs will Not Deliver an ASIC Prior to March 1st
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on: January 12, 2013, 06:30:33 PM
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Considering that there are still 14561.94104029 BTC on source address, 250btc is a small number for this person. Edit: I thought maybe it could be a shared web wallet, mtgox type, but I would say no. curiosity:https://blockchain.info/related_tags?active=1Fx3N5iFPDQxUKhhmDJqCMmi3U8Y7gSncx This is the MPEx Exchange address (1Fx3N5iFPDQxUKhhmDJqCMmi3U8Y7gSncx). So is this betting with customers exchange funds, or the bookkeeper betting against his own customers (Mircea Popescu partially owns BitBet)?
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: FreiCoin (FRC) discussion (was FreiCoin (FRC) for TRC, PPC, LTC or BTC)
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on: January 08, 2013, 12:24:21 PM
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1) PPC is preannounced 1 week before release on bitcointalk, no we didn't just announce it on our own website 2) PPC block chain started at difficulty 256 and 800 blocks later it was already at difficulty 1000. So no we didn't allow massive amount of low difficulty blocks by design. Our continuous difficulty adjustment works well to further limit the number of initial low difficulty blocks. Yes early adopters are still rewarded with more ppc but that's over weeks and months plus 1 week preannouncement on bitcointalk so it is much more fair for the mining society interested in altcoins. I don't understand. Are you trying to claim that PPCoin had a more fair initial distribution? I disagree with that statement. If you would like to dissect it we can do it in a new thread. Specifically, you chose the block reward as the inverse of the difficulty. If you think Freicoin is "unfair" to miners, why does PPCoin pay miners less to do more work?
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: FreiCoin (FRC) discussion (was FreiCoin (FRC) for TRC, PPC, LTC or BTC)
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on: January 08, 2013, 01:08:06 AM
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FYI, that also looks like one of 3 sticks needed for a fasces (add 1 straight, 1 curved the other way, and a horizontal line or two for the rope and you have a fascism symbol), which might not be the best link.
This is the traditional fasces. I don't see how it resembles it? Anyways, the fasces isn't evil. It's a roman symbol to represent "strength through unity." Its a heraldic charge used by many small towns in Europe. You probably already know this, but there are two fasces prominently flanking the rostrum of the United States House of Representatives, where the Speaker of the House sits.
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: FreiCoin (FRC) discussion (was FreiCoin (FRC) for TRC, PPC, LTC or BTC)
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on: January 08, 2013, 01:02:50 AM
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Nobody likes my idea to have a scientific notation built into the way we write the coin? I thought it was a great idea. Especially for talking about microeconomics (big numbers) and for microtransactions (small numbers)
If Europe is using the Euro now, can we contemplate stealing the "Fr" notation?
How about 24.9356╒ ╛
or 24.9356╒
Maybe we can use the symbol for a dutch guilder? 5ƒ = five freicoin I like the ⌠ because its simpler.
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: FreiCoin (FRC) discussion (was FreiCoin (FRC) for TRC, PPC, LTC or BTC)
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on: January 07, 2013, 11:04:40 PM
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How is it difficult to understand on the second day 8000 blocks were mined. Are you saying it took longer? I'd like to see that data. I'm purely going off the charts provided here, which maybe wrong. Is there a way to view when blocks where made on freicoin? I'd like to see when block 1 and 8000 were made. Then its easy math.
PS
It took about 2 days for 8000 blocks, but thats just how the difficulty adjustment in Bitcoin is designed. We would have gotten to 8000 even faster if the network had more hashing power, believe it or not.
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: why I liquidated my FRC
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on: January 07, 2013, 01:17:48 PM
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Overall I spent 2 BTC and traded 15K PPC to acquire 20K FRC. I sold it all for 6.4 BTC. I took a small loss to liquidate.
The price of PPCoin has fallen by about 10% in the last few days. I don't know that you lost that much. 4.66125 BTC for your PPCoin and 2 BTC makes 6.7 BTC. So you lost .3 BTC but instead you're sitting in the much more liquid BTC. If you were looking to get out of risk (altcoins) I think you are a good trader to make so many transactions in a short time and only lose 0.3 BTC.
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: A foundation with 80% of the coins can never work.
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on: January 07, 2013, 03:28:10 AM
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galambo won't answer me because he is scared that the answer will not involve sock-puppets.
As you can see, hanzac, you can't be a real person in ElectricMucus's mind because you rephrased his bad question into being a fair one. Therefore, you must be me, right? Nobody else could possibly find ElectricMucus to be irritating or obnoxious, otherwise he would have a yellow ignore link. If he had a yellow ignore link it would indicate he is one of the most ignored people on the forum and we're wasting our time reading his messages. But ElectricMucus doesn't have a yellow ignore link.
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: A foundation with 80% of the coins can never work.
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on: January 07, 2013, 03:21:19 AM
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I think you should ask "why do you think that the foundation would do something more helpful than some other investors/users or massive public"? If they don't do anything, in what hand they can get the fortune? God bless? Good question, hanzac. I'd like to remind you that in the original Satoshi bitcoin client code the mining reward is called a "subsidy" for a very good reason. It is a political design decision to give the miners all of the coins and not an integral part of Bitcoin. As we've discovered, this design decision leads to an insular community of computer hobbyists with private supercomputers to be the only ones who value or use the coin. So, currently, the Bitcoin is not in the hands of users or the massive public, but instead its in the hands of speculators, gamblers, and miners. To solve this problem we're going to try to allocate a large number of the initially mined coins to non-technical people who are productive in fields other than computers and electronics. These people exist and if cryptocurrencies are meant to succeed in the long run these types of people will need to be given something to encourage them to participate in the system. Eventually the gifted coins will slip from their fingers to be remined, just like any other Freicoins that will exists. I hope you understand and appreciate the design of Freicoin.
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: A foundation with 80% of the coins can never work.
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on: January 07, 2013, 02:53:27 AM
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We not gonna settle for that, anyway. This shit will be brought down one way or the other. And the ones responsible tared and feathered. I'll be just like Realsolid and BitcoinExpress, can't wait. Still waiting for a response to my bold question above ^^ I'm starting to get the impression that you are very disturbed by what we are doing. Most replying are just curious, initally negative, or "hating." Thats totally understandable when dealing with a new technology. But you concern me. Please don't read our threads if you feel this threatened by a computer program.
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: A foundation with 80% of the coins can never work.
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on: January 07, 2013, 01:59:24 AM
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Wait a sec, that is good, if noone ever touches the "foundation" funds. If i understood that right, the foundation demuraged funds are back for mining, right? (no? duh, explain) Then there shouldnt be any foundation at the first place, and miners should get the same amount (this 5%(dunno if its even close to 50 frc/block) Then all those threads wouldnt exist and everybody would be happy with our new coin lol
Yes, if noone ever touches the foundation funds the miners will eventually end up with it anyways. So, it's really not as much of an issue as everyone makes it out to be.
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