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1401  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: FreiCoin (FRC) discussion (was FreiCoin (FRC) for TRC, PPC, LTC or BTC) on: December 27, 2012, 12:49:37 AM

More blatant advertising here. Making these sorts of promises, that freicoin will increase in value faster than the demurrage fee, is irresponsible and suspicious. Furthermore, can a coin really be non-deflationary if ore expected to gain purchasing power over time?


Providing offhand commentary on what's happened over the past week isn't blatant advertising. You're getting confused. Of course the coin's been deflationary over the past week. A week ago it didn't even exist. It exists now and we can agree that it has "some" value. As far as I know no orderbook (bid/ask) exchanges exist for Freicoin so we don't really know what its worth on the market. But there has been some gain far beyond the demurrage fee since December 21, when it didn't exist.


I also don't see what advantage this provides over bitcoin or why one would choose to accept freicoin instead of bitcoin. One post suggested immediately selling your freicoin for bitcoin, but then isn't freicoin just an unnecessary step in the middle. The bitcoin payment network and method of securing the blockchain is the same as freicoin, right? I might be missing something and is like to see where this goes but seeing the developers publicly declare their coin is going to gain significant value is making me uneasy.

You don't see the value of Freicoin. Like it says on the site "it's not for everyone."


It's like the spam email promising big returns on penny stocks.

If you see any concrete, material misleading statements made by anyone you feel is associated with this project please point them out and I will issue a clarification. We're excited and in a celebratory mood right now. Especially maaku: the project he's been slaving over for the last year (I know I was there) is taking off, so please excuse us for any personal "irrational exuberance."
1402  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: FreiCoin (FRC) discussion (was FreiCoin (FRC) for TRC, PPC, LTC or BTC) on: December 26, 2012, 11:39:26 PM
far as I know the biggest alt coin mining pool

http://coinotron.com

PPS is a little bit harder to setup for Freicoin because each block has a slightly different reward value. A lot of the pool operators are still working on a solution to this. As I quoted before, the easiest way to mine is with p2pool Smiley
1403  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: FreiCoin (FRC) discussion (was FreiCoin (FRC) for TRC, PPC, LTC or BTC) on: December 26, 2012, 11:33:28 PM
Why can't mine FRC at coinotron?

What's coin-o-tron?


Quote from: maaku
The easiest way to get started on Windows is to make sure you have the latest graphic drivers for your card, then launch the GUI miner program:

https://bitcointalk.org/?topic=3878.0

Create a new OpenCL miner from the menu (try the other choices if OpenCL gives you trouble), and configure it with the following options:

Server: Other
Host: pool.freico.in
Port: 9638
Username: (your freicoin address, from the client, or from bitaddress.org (print this out if you use it))
Password: 123 (can be anything, but must not be empty; not used)

Ignore the extra flags for now (efficiency settings - you can research that later). Hit 'start mining' (you may have to resize the dialog box to see the button).
1404  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: FreiCoin (FRC) discussion (was FreiCoin (FRC) for TRC, PPC, LTC or BTC) on: December 26, 2012, 11:26:40 PM
Just to give everyone and idea of where Freicoin is right now I made a graph of our hash rate. Have a great rest of the week. Smiley

1405  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: FreiCoin (FRC) discussion (was FreiCoin (FRC) for TRC, PPC, LTC or BTC) on: December 26, 2012, 06:44:19 AM

So looks like galambo doesn't know the coin supply at 10k blocks either.

As far as I see 'coins in the wild' is about 250*10k = 2.5m at block 10k. But since there was no prerelease nor release announcement on bitcointalk so I am guessing a majority of these is owned by developers as well. No idea how many in the tax account or else.

I was asked why I mined freicoin and should have more confidence in ppc.

I have plenty of confidence in ppc and I don't see why I shouldn't value competing cryptocurrencies with interest. And I like competing fairly and dislike monopolies and bullies Wink I reasonably liked what I read about the freicoin project until I learned the 80% tax today.

Actually, Sunny, no. My graphics card only mines at 60MH/s. I have less than 30000 coins at the moment and wish I had more. Other early supporters, like Impaler and jtimon, don't have any mined coins (please correct me if this is wrong, guys). To the best of my knowledge the vast majority of the coins are in the hands of people unaffiliated with the project.  I couldn't be happier with our result.

I have no intention of profiting from the Freicoin Foundation's coins, nor the ability to. I've already trusted maaku with a US Dollar donation to his indiegogo project, and he delivered more than I ever dreamed. I'm not losing any sleep trusting him to hold the Foundation's funds and distribute them fairly. Also, Sunny, you forget that this is Bitcoin. We don't have to trust him because we can all look at the blockchain and see where the funds are going. Eventually there will be tools and websites for Freicoin to do this automatically.

We've worked very hard to attract the sustained attention of miners who were capable of understanding the long term value of Freicoin. After 5 days we already have a hash rate of 30GH/s, which you were admittedly a part of. Ask yourself, why did you rush into Freicoin? We've seen organic, exponential growth with a coin seemingly possessing the opposite values you'd assume a Bitcoin miner would believe in. There are some frustrated people here, including you, on this forum. Why are you frustrated with the Freicoin? Because you feel the Freicoin has to happen from what you have observed with Bitcoin, even though Freicoin may conflict with your personal beliefs. I don't have the luxury of putting our ideologies over what works. I love cryptocurrency and that is why I support Freicoin.

Now, the real work begins. Not attracting miners or mining the coin. The biggest task for Freicoin is to build a market in goods and services that can be exchanged for Freicoin, and we intend to bootstrap this market by providing coins to legitimate and worthy charities. Finding suitable groups is going to be the hardest work yet and we need the community's help.
1406  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: FreiCoin (FRC) discussion (was FreiCoin (FRC) for TRC, PPC, LTC or BTC) on: December 26, 2012, 03:56:05 AM
I'm a bit foggy on the initial reward rate. I read that the genesis block generated a lot of coins like 78k or so and the reward rate has been dropping since then.

Can you give us some total as of block 10,000 like total coins @10k, coins in the wild @10k and coins in the fund at @10k?

Some FRC stats on a website would be a good more. I look forward to seeing your Freicoin Federation site. I'll try and think of something awesome to contribute Smiley

Don't believe everything you hear. For the most part, unless maaku wrote it, it's probably wrong.

The first block generated 750.56846171 coins.

496.03174604 went to the foundation.

254.53671561 went to the abyss, or to maaku. Not sure on that.

   .00000001 x 6 went to addresses of various contributors to the development of Freicoin. These are meant to be like a movie credits.
1407  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: FreiCoin (FRC) discussion (was FreiCoin (FRC) for TRC, PPC, LTC or BTC) on: December 26, 2012, 03:40:10 AM
Let me reiterate: 80% of the initial distribution. This shuts off on block 161280, and the perpetual reward (4.9% of the monetary base per year) goes to the miners only.

This is a different way of handling the initial distribution. Coins will enter the marketplace through mining, and through purchase of goods and services by a community-vetted process of grant proposals.

Wow 80% tax? Is this tax rate also 'community-vetted'? Are you seriously trying to challenge bitcoin through dirty politics? Roll Eyes

Here I thought the project was serious. I take it back now. This doesn't look like it's about Gesell or demurrage at all. Why am I not surprised that the advocates of 'mainstream economics' turn out to be a group of control freaks?


I'm sorry you feel that way. Best of luck in your endeavors.
1408  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Is this idea to counter lost bitcoins possible? on: December 23, 2012, 02:20:42 AM
First, let me say this: Freicoin looks like an interesting experiment.  It appears that Freicoin proponents have a comprehensive economic theory, which appears wrong to me, but I could be wrong myself.

I, for one, would LOVE to hear it.

http://freico.in/about/  Wink

I hate to be the one to say it, but that freicoin manifesto is a cesspit of keynesian gibberish and populist nonsense.  Calling it a "comprehensive economic theory" is to go zero for three.

Well, its a comprehensive economy theory. You may just happen to disagree with it. Smiley  As an aside the Freicoin network now has around 5GH/s hashing power. I couldn't be happier with how people from all over the globe have pitched in to help this fledgling cryptocurrency take off.
1409  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Is there an asset tracking software that supports Bitcoin? (Better than GnuCash) on: December 21, 2012, 03:37:39 AM
Guys, your accounting software doesn't need moment to moment price information. Accounting exists so that you can prepare monthly statements and track your performance over time. It doesn't exist to give you second-to-second price information.
1410  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Is this idea to counter lost bitcoins possible? on: December 20, 2012, 02:14:33 AM
It seems you are late with freicoin.

The Treasury already has assets on sale with negative interest. Will they also spark an economic miracle?

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/8b76525a-486b-11e2-a1c0-00144feab49a.html#axzz2FWwaEWlj

You must read zerohedge, or a similar gloom and doom blog? That doesn't really mean what you think it means. I participated in this bond auction, but I was buying 30 year bonds. The interest rate was 2.75%, not negative. God bless America. Thanks.

It is in real terms.  The average annual inflation over prior 30 years was 3.07%.  2.75% - 3.07% =  -0.32% real return.

You don't think the next 30 is going to be less inflation do you?  I mean at this point the best we can hope for would be "only" ~3% inflation.   If we get a period like from 1973 to 1981 in there well ouch. 

http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/


Good luck.
1411  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Is there an asset tracking software that supports Bitcoin? (Better than GnuCash) on: December 19, 2012, 11:42:31 PM
Frankly, the one thing I'm missing is integration of an Mt. Gox price feed and the ugliness of writing XXX instead of BTC.

 Cheesy

You have free, powerful double-entry accounting software, and you are disappointed you have to write XXX instead of BTC.

Cheesy
1412  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Is this idea to counter lost bitcoins possible? on: December 19, 2012, 11:19:42 PM
It seems you are late with freicoin.

The Treasury already has assets on sale with negative interest. Will they also spark an economic miracle?

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/8b76525a-486b-11e2-a1c0-00144feab49a.html#axzz2FWwaEWlj

You must read zerohedge, or a similar gloom and doom blog? That doesn't really mean what you think it means. I participated in this bond auction, but I was buying 30 year bonds. The interest rate was 2.75%, not negative. God bless America. Thanks.
1413  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Is this idea to counter lost bitcoins possible? on: December 19, 2012, 01:03:09 PM
First, let me say this: Freicoin looks like an interesting experiment.  It appears that Freicoin proponents have a comprehensive economic theory, which appears wrong to me, but I could be wrong myself.

I, for one, would LOVE to hear it.

http://freico.in/about/  Wink
1414  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Is this idea to counter lost bitcoins possible? on: December 18, 2012, 11:50:09 PM
well, not exactly lost coin retrieval, but the slight fee would slowly reintroduce lost coins to circulation, or do i misunderstand how it works?

With the slight fee half of the lost coins will be reintroduced in 15 years. It will take another 15 years to get to 3/4 reintroduction. Reintroduction behaves asymptotically like the Bitcoin supply curve, how it will never be quite 21 million but its always approaching it.

The lost coins will never be fully reintroduced. We don't see lost coins as a problem and Freicoin was not created to fix this problem. Please see the site for information about what Freicoin is trying to do. http://freico.in/
1415  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Is this idea to counter lost bitcoins possible? on: December 18, 2012, 01:41:16 PM
Grin pointless, mindless trolling

FREICOIN WILL NOT STEAL YOUR "LOST" BITCOINS

FIRSTLY Freicoin is not released, it will be released on 21-DEC-2012. Please click this link for real information on the coin.

Guys. Please do not believe Rudd-O's troll attempt to youtube RawDog the unreleased Freicoin software.

I cannot any longer ignore Rudd-O's attempts to tie Freicoin to stealing your lost Bitcoins.  He is even posting Reddits on this topic.

Lost coins was not even a design consideration of Freicoin.
1416  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Bitcoin design contract on: December 18, 2012, 01:35:51 PM
Here's how I know that implementing "theft of long-term storage coins" is a bad idea: someone already implemented this very concept -- called demurrage, purported to be "fair" -- in an altcoin called Freicoin; that shit tanked and went nowhere.  That was 100% predictable -- lots of people want other people's money to be stolen, but nobody wants their own money to be stolen.

It's really simple to know whether something is a bad idea or not: just observe people's choices (when they are not being forced to do a particular thing), and you'll know what's "better".  People choose Bitcoin over dollars because people judge Bitcoin to be better than dollars.  People choose Bitcoin over Freicoin because people judge Freicoin to be worse.



 Grin pointless, mindless trolling

FREICOIN WILL NOT STEAL YOUR "LOST" BITCOINS

FIRSTLY Freicoin is not released, it will be released on 21-DEC-2012. Please click this link for real information on the coin.

Guys. Please do not believe Rudd-O's troll attempt to youtube RawDog the unreleased Freicoin software.

I cannot any longer ignore Rudd-O's attempts to tie Freicoin to stealing your lost Bitcoins.  He is even posting Reddits on this topic.

Lost coins was not even a design consideration of Freicoin.
1417  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Process-invariant hardware metric: hash-meters per second on: November 08, 2012, 05:47:52 AM
i want to go to heaven now. will you take me home with soft wings?

i want to see for myself how many angels can dance up on the head of a pin

we can quantify them in units hash-yoctometers per second
1418  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Legal Actions against Nefario on: October 29, 2012, 03:34:35 AM
Sure, that's what I expected from you. Blame the victim for stupidity. Nothing more to say.

Sorry. I wasn't expecting you to take it personally.

Initially I was thinking this was a cheap lesson, but now I think 250 BTC may be a significant amount of money to you.

Clicking through your posts I see you live in Brazil. Not that it should matter, because for many people in the US this is a significant amount of money. In the US there are more opportunities and so we have less reasons to complain. I'm tired of reading this entitled whining from people who can likely replace their money.

I'm sorry for your loss and hope James does return this money.

However, with a market where transactions are irreversible more care must be taken with who we deal with. On the whole, this community needs to do a lot more blaming the victim until this sentiment sticks.
1419  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Nefario on: October 28, 2012, 06:17:54 PM
People aren't going to try to sue nefario.  What they're far more likely to do if he continues to piss them off with his "fuck you" attitude is draw his activities to the attention of the very authorities he was hoping to avoid getting scrutiny from. 

Good Luck to anyone that tries to push that through. It will be a difficult path for anyone that tries to grab the authorities attention for someone who has zero-to-negative assets to forfeit.

I think it will be difficult to get the authorities attention for a pirate figure; the bulk of his assets are in internet money.
1420  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Legal Actions against Nefario on: October 28, 2012, 03:41:26 PM

I really cant see why you are taking his side here. He is it who fucked up! Actually I had a balance of 250BC in my account and its gone. Nothing to do with any asset issuers.
Also the asset issuers did not much wrong. Maybe in legal terms, but it actually could be seen as just a way of crowdfunding. Thing is they can't do anything, guess why? Because Nefario fucked up! Thats right! He didnt even contact them yet. And he's the only one who had the data of asset owners.

crowdfunding what? Why would you have money in GLBSE? Every single one of its assets was some sort of ponzi scheme or fraud.

You probably deserve to lose your 250 BTC because you're dumb for even having it on the GLBSE in the first place.

I'm taking nefario's side only out of recognition that he was attempting to tackle a technical problem. His misfortune was his incompetence. He didn't realize it was completely illegal and couldn't execute GLBSE properly. He didn't keep good enough records to unwind the service when it came time.
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