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1761  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [DSH] Dashcoin (Cryptonote, automated source) on: March 13, 2015, 06:11:24 AM
This whole affair is simply disgusting. It appears that the Darkcoin developers are trying to kill this coin for its name. The reality is that the Dashcoin name belongs to the Dashcoin community and not to whomever made this deal with the Darkcoin developers. My take is that the Dashcoin community should simply fork the coin and keep calling it Dashcoin.

Edit: I find trademark bullies simply very disgusting.

Looks like old Dashcoin is dumping now that they know that coin is officially dead
I kinda feel bad for anybody that doesn't know about DASH and is still buying Dashcoin

oh well

It actually raises some pretty interesting ethical issues. If the Dashcoin devs sold their development to Evan (i.e. the Dashcoin name and whatnot), then where does that leave a holder of Dashcoin? Is there some recompense for them too? You'd be pretty upset to find out that the crypto you've purchased or mined has just turned into dust because the "devs sold out"!! I wonder what this means exactly? A crypto is made up of devs, the code (which is generally open source anyway but not always), other associated IP and the coins the holders/investors are in possession of.


I could be wrong but "we" bought the coin and "we" can destroy it -  burn it
While keeping any good parts - more so the name
AND - we're gonna cut off the coin part

Welcome................................ DASH

Anybody that owns Dashcoin should be dumping but I see now that some are buying and pumping
Should be something to watch for the next few days


but yes - I would be floored over loosing all my coins and mining time/electric bill
- that's also why I stay away from shitcoins since last year April

Mmm....somewhat troubling (but not surprising for this "wild west" realm). If this is correct it means a dev of any of these altcoins can "sell" his or her development and, if the new owner decides to take the name or disband it, any cyrptocurrency units out in the wild effectively become worthless overnight? I don't like the sound of this. I know there are no guarantees in crypto but that's pretty terrible.

I've read a few pages of their thread (and noted your, what's effectively a, "tough titties suckers!!" posting there Mangled) and they seem to have been taken completely by surprise and now their anon dev "slb" is actually seen as a complete SOB and would be drawn and quartered if he shows his face there any time soon!

But they're talking about taking it over as a community (SPR style). I just wonder what the ramifications of all this are i.e. what stops them (if it's open source) just continuing on with Dashcoin and refusing to change its name!

Very surprisingly though their market cap is going up! A few hours ago it was just over $6K, then it went to $6.5K and just now was $6.65K. Doesn't make any sense at all unless people think somehow we're switching with them and they're going to now be Darkcoin! (wouldn't surprise me if someone's buying madly thinking this.....insane).

Anyone who owns Dashcoin should consider legal advice, and not dump the coins.
1762  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: March 13, 2015, 12:17:52 AM
do you guys expect another rise in price soon?

Some time (~1-2 days) ago, I put the probabilities such:

30% we are below 165k
30% we are between 165-250k
30% we are between 250-500k
10% we are above 500k

...in 3 weeks.

So, no. I think it is more probable that we fall. However, the rise has so much more upside than the fall has downside, that I am continuing to buy.

There is of course the "out of the blue" possibility that Darkcoin may take another "Dash" to the downside. Darkcoin still has over 3x the capitalization of Monero and the markets seem to respond to any drop in DRK by buying XMR. I say anyone in the XMR/XBT market still needs to play very close attention to DRK/XBT especially if they are planning on buying XMR.
 
Edit: One of the reasons why I was not surprised by the recent XMR upward move is because I am watching DRK closely.
1763  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What effect will Ethereum have on Bitcoin? on: March 11, 2015, 08:23:07 PM
The IPO dumping of funds already negatively affected BTC.  The effect will be isolated to ETH, in which the IPO investors will be just a tad bitter.

There was a fair amount of XBT selling by the IPO that coincided with the bottom in XBT/USD. This is nothing more than classic "weak hand" selling of XBT.
1764  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - 0.8.8.6 on: March 11, 2015, 07:04:26 AM
I've acquired more the last couple of weeks nearly doubling my stash. I have a tech question for you guys though. How much memory is required for monerod.exe not having to use VM from the hdd? It seems that 8Gb is not enough... Could someone share the knowledge?

Thanks

On GNU/Linux (Kubuntu 14.04) bitmonerod takes 6,263,272 K so 8GB should be enough barely.
1765  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: March 10, 2015, 10:34:10 PM
Jeah, but I would give it some time (and alot of work he have to do) to get there.

But if Dark crashes now, due to the renaming desaster, we need a new comparison indicator then DarkCoin.

But lets take it easy and go step by step and just reach $1 first and stay over it for 6 or 8 weeks or something.

The reality is that if Darkcoin / Dash crashes Monero will be the lead anon coin. So it will also be the comparison indicator. It will not, for better or worse, be "an obscure cryptocoin".
1766  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: March 10, 2015, 04:39:38 AM
One thing to keep an eye on is bitcoin's bull market.

Altcoins tend to suffer in the beginning of bitcoin's bull runs. You can see Litecoin (https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/btce/ltcbtc) , Peercoin (https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/btce/ppcbtc), and (Namecoin (https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/btce/nmcbtc) all crashing hard in October 2013. Litecoin also suffered in May 2014 as bitcoin began its bull run to 680. XMR/DRK did well at that time, but only because anonymous coins were new and hot. Other alts suffered.

So if bitcoin breaks 300 with strength today or in the next few days, then we should prepare for some pain.

Yes. This is very true; however the whole DRK mess can change things. My take is that DRK/XBT will be have a bigger impact on XMR/XBT than XBT/USD.
1767  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: March 10, 2015, 01:34:15 AM
DRK just broke 0.01 on the downside
1768  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: March 10, 2015, 01:07:51 AM
It had to happen eventually, better sooner than later. But the big buy was a whale and then the fishies all got nervous. LOL

The only big buy in DRK is in between sock accounts...

... but there is selling.

Wait until people start emptying their masternodes...

One thing is clear one does not want to be caught "short" XMR if people start emptying their masternodes. I say keep a close watch on Darkcoin now Dash. It still has over 4x the market capitalization of XMR.
1769  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: March 09, 2015, 02:50:07 AM
In certain parts of the EU there are restrictions on merchants accepting cash for transactions over a certain amount.

It was my understanding (perhaps incorrect?) that these laws prohibited even private party cash transactions, not just merchant transactions.

Assuming correct (if not, wait a little while and it probably will be), this same law could likely apply to anonymous virtual coin transactions between private parties.

Anyway, at the moment I don't see much of a movement toward banning virtual currencies, and this is indeed somewhat surprising relative to expectations a few years ago, although I think the winds could shift on that, especially with respect to untraceable virtual currencies. Nothing is certain though.

Here is an example of the law in Spain. It bans bearer (not just cash) transactions that are payments from consumers to businesses, so it would also apply to crypto currency. Spain in a country where tax evasion is the national sport, followed by football (soccer).  http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2012-11-19/spain-cash-transaction-ban-begins-as-rajoy-targets-tax-fraud. https://www.boe.es/boe/dias/2012/10/30/pdfs/BOE-A-2012-13416.pdf My take, knowing the culture well, is that this is doomed to failure since people with just use the "black money" for many day to day expenses that fall well below the threshold.
1770  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [DRK] Darkcoin is NOT Anonymous? Possible Proof inside. on: March 09, 2015, 12:37:49 AM
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Sure there is. We could go ask FinCEN's permission if someone feels like it's important for them, or "go dark" as any other anon coin will eventually have to do.

Getting a favourable ruling from FinCEN on the masternodes as MSBs issue is the one way to put an end to this. Furthermore this needs to presented to FinCEN by a member of the DRK community with a significant stake in the success of DRK and not by someone who stands to profit from an unfavourable ruling, eg an XMR holder such as myself. As for the "go dark" argument we both know this is simply an admission of defeat in this context.
1771  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [DRK] Darkcoin is NOT Anonymous? Possible Proof inside. on: March 09, 2015, 12:23:56 AM
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No, the response was also that the masternodes are not transacting money. And every anon coin will need to "go dark" eventually.

This comes down to 1) The regulators won't do this and 2) It won't matter anyway. The real issue here is this is a real structural weakness in Darkcoin that is not present in its closest competitor, and there is nothing that can be done about it.
1772  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [DRK] Darkcoin is NOT Anonymous? Possible Proof inside. on: March 09, 2015, 12:10:18 AM
The weak point would be to regulate the masternodes as MSBs.
Masternodes are not transacting coins. They can be ran in any country, not just in the USA. And moreover, I think it's guaranteed that some countries (USA very likely being one of them) will make all anonymous coins illegal eventually. At that point, it's imperative that the coin can run hidden under tor/i2p or some other solution.
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Every time I raise the question of regulating the masternodes as MSBs the response is 1) This is a US only issue which it is not and 2) We will "go dark", pardon the pun, to solve the problem. This is nothing more than an admission of defeat and justifies the argument that government regulation of the masternodes is the real Achilles Heel of Darkcoin.

Edit: There is also the argument that "all anonymous coins will be made illegal anyway", which is again a further admission of defeat.
1773  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [DRK] Darkcoin is NOT Anonymous? Possible Proof inside. on: March 09, 2015, 12:02:29 AM
Collect enough data from enough masternodes and over time one could start to unravel DRK transactions even with blinded masternodes. How resistant are blinded masternodes to this type of Sybil attack?  

What is enough data? I'd say they are extremely resistant. You'd probably need to collect the data from 95% of the masternodes to get any hope of unraveling anything, and the 1000 DRK requirement for running a masternode is exactly for that purpose. To get it expensive enough to gain large enough percentage.

The question becomes what happens when one trades time for the percentage of compromised masternodes? Over a short period of time yes it may take 95% of the masternodes, but what happens where the attacker collects data over say a period of 6 months or longer using a much smaller percentage of compromised masternodes. I am talking here of a regulator or a group of regulators who persuade a fraction of the masternodes to provide the regulator(s) with data at essentially no cost to the compromised masternodes. All of this is of course separate from an attack on the proof of stake aspect of DRK (the 1000 DRK masternode requirement) using "borrowed" stake.
1774  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [DRK] Darkcoin is NOT Anonymous? Possible Proof inside. on: March 08, 2015, 11:28:23 PM
The weak point would be to regulate the masternodes as MSBs. Collect enough data from enough masternodes and over time one could start to unravel DRK transactions even with blinded masternodes. How resistant are blinded masternodes to this type of Sybil attack?  
1775  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: March 08, 2015, 11:07:00 PM
I think it's guaranteed that some countries (USA very likely being one of them) will make all anonymous coins illegal eventually. At that point, it's imperative that the coin can run hidden under tor/i2p or some other solution.

"Guaranteed" is a ridiculous assessment at this stage. At least try to back it up with some observable trend that is happening or at the very least why it can't go any other way in your opinion.

Just think how dangerous anonymous money can be to them compared to stuff they have already banned and it seems clear what's gonna happen. And as a cop-out/disclaimer, I said "some countries", so it's enough for my vision to come true if Vanuatu bans it. Smiley

In countries with exchange controls expect them to treat XBT or XMR the same as USD cash. In many cases this will mean either illegal or a very unfavourable exchange rate through "official" channels.
1776  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: March 08, 2015, 10:47:20 PM
In the United States and in Canada there are requirements that one report cash or bearer instrument transactions over a certain size and in certain circumstances but they are not illegal. In certain parts of the EU there are restrictions on merchants accepting cash for transactions over a certain amount. I also suspect that it is a matter of time before cryptocurrency regardless of how anonymous it is will be treated the same as cash is this respect.

As for cryptocurrency being made illegal in those countries with convertible widely traded currencies such as the US, EU, Canada etc the chances are very low and all indicators are against a move toward banning cryptocurrency. What we are seeing and will see is the regulation of all the intermediary players and service providers. It is for this reason that DRK has a much higher regulatory risk than XBT, or XMR, since the masternodes due to their limited number are a prime target for regulation. I would say the same for semi centralized structures such as delegated proof of stake, and currencies such as Ripple and Ethereum. In those countries with exchange controls for example Iceland, China etc., the changes are very high that cryptocurrency will be made illegal or already has.

Spending some time understanding how government regulation actually works, will go a long way to understanding  what the regulatory risks actually are. I stand by my position that a pure POW decentralized crypto-currency such as XBT or XMR has very little regulatory risk at the protocol level; furthermore there is already a fair amount of information on where the regulators actually stand. This in not the case at all with a very large proportion of the alt-coins and assets on the market today. The key thing to understand here is that any amount of centralization no matter how small will likely attract government regulation.
1777  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: March 08, 2015, 10:07:19 PM
Edit: Why would one pick a technology that is subject to regulation over one that is not?

Because masternodes don't transact money, and because:

I think it's guaranteed that some countries (USA very likely being one of them) will make all anonymous coins illegal eventually. At that point, it's imperative that the coin can run hidden under tor/i2p or some other solution.


Sure like US currency is illegal in the United States.
1778  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: March 08, 2015, 09:54:24 PM
Anyone can apply to FinCEN in the US on the MSB status of Darkcoin masternodes.

USA != world

Remember to ask MSB status of xmr.to as well while you're at it. It actually is transacting coins unlike masternodes.

I think it's guaranteed that some countries (USA very likely being one of them) will make all anonymous coins illegal eventually. At that point, it's imperative that the coin can run hidden under tor/i2p or some other solution.



XMR.to is likely an MSB just like BitPay is. So is Poloniex. That does not make a coin illegal. My point is that a FinCEN ruling that DRK masternodes are MSBs will likely have a very significant impact on the XMR/XBT exchange rate, since XMR would not have that regulatory risk.

Edit: Why would one pick a technology that is subject to regulation over one that is not?
1779  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: March 08, 2015, 09:22:21 PM
The greed was obvious among the bears back in December when people were selling at 0.0011 hoping to buy back at 0.0008. The XMR bear market in the end was driven by greed not fear. In this market there are still a lot of bulls masquerading as bears and hoping to buy lower, and my take is that they will end up paying a lot more for their XMR.

Let us not forget that those of us who were busy buying during the end of the bear market can now simply sit back, stay out of the market and do nothing.  

Yeah, let's see what happens.

I have likely better information on the strength of the current uptrend than the others, since I know what percentage of the new emission (or trade volume) was my client buys. Nobody else should have access to that information.

The market goes up in waves. I judged that other bidders were weak enough not to cross the Rubicon (194k) a few days ago, so the rally felt overextended. If you can do it without me, and it stays above for several days, perhaps I join in. For now, it's time to wait. Technically, it could break the ATL after failing here. <- I don't believe in those tea leaves and will not let it go that low, but Fibonacci is predicting 134-146 as the possible low. In that area we have quite nice support from the last months' trading action.

It is quite possible that we test a 50%  Fibonacci at 0.001417 or even test and / or break the ATL; however there are a lot of uncertainties and many of them are on the upside and quite unrelated to any particular group of buyers. Here is an interesting out of the blue possibility: Anyone can apply to FinCEN in the US on the MSB status of Darkcoin masternodes. If FinCEN were to rule that DRK masternodes are MSBs, what are the chances of purchasing XMR under 0.002? Seriously anyone following the XMR market should pay very close attention to DRK/XBT on both a technical and fundamental level. If DRK makes a break to the downside and one is caught "short" XMR watch out!

I have said it before and will say it again. Bulls make money, bears make money, and pigs get slaughtered.
1780  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: March 08, 2015, 08:11:03 PM
The greed was obvious among the bears back in December when people were selling at 0.0011 hoping to buy back at 0.0008. The XMR bear market in the end was driven by greed not fear. In this market there are still a lot of bulls masquerading as bears and hoping to buy lower, and my take is that they will end up paying a lot more for their XMR.

Let us not forget that those of us who were busy buying during the end of the bear market can now simply sit back, stay out of the market and do nothing.  
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