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2261  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin will crash to $30!!! on: July 29, 2014, 04:15:14 AM
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2262  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Is Having Its Moment But There Are Better Sustainable Currencies on: July 27, 2014, 09:17:30 PM
Proof of Stake has one little problem. Stake does not equal exposure once a derivatives market develops. So go long the coin and get the "stake", then go short the derivatives for an equal amount to create zero exposure, while keeping the "stake".
2263  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: rpietila Altcoin Observer on: July 27, 2014, 06:07:34 AM
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A question.  What circumstances would a hard fork in BITCOIN not be viewed as negative by a significant percentage of users?  In my opinion there isn't one.
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Bitcoin has to hard fork in order to address the 1 MB max blocksize limit. If it does not it will not be able to scale. The main reason I have invested in Monero is to hedge against the risk of Bitcoin not biting the bullet with this hard fork.

Edit: Here is a thread on the subject of the 1 MB max blocksize in Bitcoin and the discussion it generates. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=709970.0 The technical people understand the need, but there is also considerable fear and opposition.
2264  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: July 26, 2014, 10:57:07 PM
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TL;DR: Staying in Malla is already up to 80-90% cheaper than in other conferences, and if you don't comprehend it, you are probably not in our focus anyway. On the other hand, we aim to make the VIP guests' stay as valuable as possible, and intend to charge the market price for it.

In other words it is all about the networking and given the target group and room price it highly likely that those who go there will get way more value out of their experience than their cost. I live quite far away in western Canada, (10 time zones away to be exact), nevertheless the next time I am in Europe it is a destination well worth my time to visit.

2265  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: rpietila Altcoin Observer on: July 26, 2014, 05:47:31 PM

I already said one-time ring signatures are an improvement, except they come at the cost of defeating the mini-block chain, which is the only way I can see to scale to micro transactions and remain decentralized (assuming you want new mining nodes to be able to pop up, download the block chain, and leave the network at-will to guard against IP blocking by the authorities, etc...).


I would urge you to think of the idea of intentionally living with a rigid or punitively expensive cap of daily transactions.

The transaction cost for physical gold bullion transactions is always 1% or more of the value, typically 2% (not counting all the externalities such as your time).

I am in favor of drastically increasing the price of something that is rare and valuable, and would not even notice paying 1 XMR fees.




High transaction fees for trading and in particular for taking delivery of gold are in fact the major weakness of gold as a form of money and led to the development fractional reserve banking and fiat currencies. The net result of these costs is that gold is worth less not more since it becomes easier to short gold and more importantly maintain the shorts. This is critical to understanding the source of the Rothschilds' wealth. The premise is that owners of gold would deposit their gold with Rothschild and use their promissory notes for gold instead of gold as money in order to avoid the the above mentioned fees and costs. Rothschild would then issue promissory notes for gold in excess of the gold on deposit and profit from the interest rate spread on the notes that were created "out of thin air". This worked because only 10% of the depositors withdrew their gold because of the fees, troubles and costs of taking delivery. Now what happens if these fees and costs were suddenly removed, people would redeem their notes and withdraw their gold from the bank, since there is now no advantage to holding the promissory note for gold rather than the gold itself. This causes the bank to collapse in a massive short squeeze, since there are more notes than gold, and the price of gold to rise sharply.

How does this apply to BTC and XMR? Well with BTC we saw pirateat40 build a massive short position in BTC in late 2011 and early 2012. This had the effect of depressing the price of BTC in 2012 allowing those of us who were buying BTC at the time to benefit from depressed prices. When the short position blew up in August 2012 it set the stage for the sharp rise in 2013. The key advantage of BTC over gold is that with BTC it is trivial in cost and time to take delivery and thereby squeeze the shorts to the wall. Mark Karpelès of MTGox was also likely taught this same lesson. In fact I would not be surprised if there is another sharp rise in the BTC price in the aftermath of this latest short squeeze. So trying to "pull a Rothschild" with BTC is doomed to failure, at least for the time being. This brings me to my next point. The 1MB blocksize limit in BTC. If this is not addressed. this will cause transaction fees to rise sharply, fractional reserve banking to become viable as with gold, and prices to fall. It is for this reason and not privacy that I have purchased a substantial position in XMR as a hedge on my BTC position. XMR does not have this problem, in fact some would argue it has gone somewhat too far in the opposite direction.

The bottom line is that for XMR we need to keep fees at a minimum to cover actual costs, in order to maximize the value of the currency not the other way around.
2266  Economy / Speculation / Re: Anybody net short bitcoin? on: July 26, 2014, 06:02:36 AM
My experience with shorting Bitcoin is to profit handsomely, at the expense of the shorts from their failed bear raids on Bitcoin. I am talking of course about pirateat40 who in late 2011 and 2012 built a massive BTC short position that had the effect of depressing prices, keeping prices in the 2 USD per BTC to 10 USD per BTC. Those of us who bought at those prices and took delivery of our BTC are now sitting on very substantial profits. When pirateat40's massive short pyramid collapsed the BTC / USD rate rose sharply in 2013 taking out a few other shorts in the process including I suspect MTGox. Taking delivery is by the way the most effective way to squeeze the shorts to the wall and increase the profitability of the longs.  

So I say go ahead and short, there are those of us ready to profit from taking the long position even if the shorts manage to temporarily drop the price to 200 USD.  Wink  If you do go ahead and short BTC there is a good chance you may need the services of a bankruptcy trustee.

This should not be considered financial advice.  
2267  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: July 26, 2014, 04:53:41 AM
Monero is a different league to bloat. We are talking 100+gb in a very short timeframe. Long term 5+ years even worse

And web wallets etc promotes centralization. Everyone will depend on a minor few for the blockchain. DDoS it and watch the coin die.

The Monero bloat is fine for now when you have like 100 users. For mainstream, the cryptonote tech isn't anywhere close to being a viable solution.

You're conflating - web wallets do not promote centralisation in and of themselves. Satoshi even theorised that there would be a reduction in the number of full nodes, and for convenience sake SPV would become more popular. At any rate, even if there were only a few non-mining full nodes it would largely be irrelevant - centralisation is only a concern on the mining side, hence the 51% pool problem that has plagued Bitcoin.

I'm quite unsure as to why you're talking about "mainstream". We have alpha-level software that requires some comfort with the command line to operate. We keep saying this, but everyone keeps talking about "adoption" and "mainstream use". We're solving fundamental, extremely low-level problems, and well after they are solved we can consider "adoption" and "mainstream use".

Thankfully, Bitcoin is also pretty impossible for "mainstream" use, so it's probably a good idea to either clearly define "mainstream" or get off the merry-go-round.

At any rate, let me make this as clear as mud to everyone: Monero is far from ready for general consumption. We don't need to be reminded of that, since we're the ones saying it! Of course, usability is a long-term goal, and finding a solution to "bloat" (such as it is) falls squarely in the "usability" camp.

I am going to mention this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=709970.0 because these issues also as well apply to Monero. The difference with Bitcoin is that I am on the opposite side of the argument here. We need to reduce the growth of the blocksize, rather than allow for its increase as is the case for Bitcoin. For this reason I am making the same suggestion here as I did in the above thread; namely to in addition require an increase in difficulty in order to allow for an increase in blocksize. So an increase in blocksize or the use of the fee penalty rule is only permissible if the difficulty is higher than the median difficulty of the last N blocks.
2268  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Share your ideas on what to replace the 1 MB block size limit with on: July 26, 2014, 02:34:58 AM
This is all very true but it can be addressed by making an increase in difficulty a necessary requirement for an increase in the blocksize limit.
It seems like a reasonable thing, not sufficient on its own but reasonable... (in fact!) I've previously proposed it myself.  (not sufficient, among other things that it doesn't do anything to keep incentives aligned, or keep centralization gains moderate.)

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Now for under 20% of the cost of an iPad one can purchase a used laptop running GNU/Linux that is perfectly capable of handling a full Bitcoin node. If the 1-2% of Bitcoin users
Yes, but thats only true for a certain set of limits at a certain size. 100MB blocks wouldn't be tolerable on thrifty resources like that today. You may be making an error in reading my message as some kind of opposition instead of tradeoffs which must be understood and carefully handled.

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True but this is essentially self defeating. If it turns out that a centralized or semi centralized solution can be competitive with Bitcoin in certain situations then so be it. This however should be a result of true market forces and not an arbitrary limit placed on Bitcoin.
Centeralized services are inherently more efficient, enormously so. My desktop could handle 40,000 TPS with a simple ledger system, giving nearly instant confirmation... physics creates limits for decentralized systems in scale and latency, and thats okay— the decenteralized systems are much better from a security perspective.  My point about there being alternatives to increasing scaling are not limited to (semi-)centralized systems, though they're useful tools which will exist in the ecosystem, there are decenteralized approaches as well.

I also think it's wrong to think of semi-centralized systems as being in competition with Bitcoin, if process transactions for Bitcoin value they're part of the broader ecosystem; and Bitcoin's trustlessness should enable semi-centeralized systems which are far more trust worthy than what is possible in semi-centeralized systems absent something like Bitcoin. We should be able to adopt them in the places where they make the most sense and have the least risk, rather than try to force all of Bitcoin to the level of centralization needed to make processing $0.25 coffee cup purchases economically efficient while still doing a poor job of it.

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Edit: With respect to CryptoNote and Monero, I do see merit in the argument that the fee penalty alone may not be enough to constrain blocksize; however when combined with the difficulty increase requirement the picture changes. As for the specifics of the Monero blockchain there are also other factors including dust from mining pools that led to the early bloating, and we must also keep in mind the CryptoNote and Monero also have built in privacy which adds to the blocksize by its very nature.
Yes, its complicated— but it's also concerning. The only altcoins that I'm aware of which have diverged from the current Bitcoin behavior in this front, and did so with the benefits of all the discussions we've had before being available to them, have been suffering from crippling bloat. That they have stronger privacy features which make transactions somewhat larger is somewhat relevant, but the average mixing size on monero is small.. and we may need to adopt similar functionality in Bitcoin (esp as increased mining centralization, partially fueled by the cost of operating nodes makes censorship more of a risk).  This doesn't prove anything one way or another, just something to think about— the way it was originally presented sounded to me like you were saying it was solved over there, but instead I think that the experience in Bytecoin and monero brings about more questions than answers.


I consider the increase in difficulty requirement on its own a necessary but not a sufficient condition, while the CryptoNote / Monero solution or something similar also a necessary but not a sufficient condition. My proposal is requiring both as a necessary and sufficient condition. Both suggestions have been made before individually but I have not seen a proposal that required both of them.

The problem of 100MB blocks needs to be considered not just in terms of current technology, but in terms of technology costs down the road. (2, 5 10 years etc.) I run a full Bitcoin node on an over ten year old laptop (that still has its Windows 2000 logo, and a floppy drive), that is way inferior in performance from what one can buy used for say 100 - 200 USD today.

The efficiency of centralization argument is on the surface very valid, furthermore my desktop can also handle "40,000 TPS with a simple ledger system, giving nearly instant confirmation". The problem arises when an individual with value on your desktop wishes to do business with an individual with value on mine. It is then when the fees and costs start to get really expensive. There are two problems here:
First businesses left to their own devices tend to not co-operate with their competitors in order to allow each other's customers to do business. They instead prefer to keep their customers for the most part locked up in their own "walled gardens". Just witness the behaviour of Apple with IOS or while on the subject of coffee Keurig adding DRM to their coffee makers in order to prevent customers from purchasing coffee from suppliers other than those approved by Keurig.
The second is regulatory if we both are in different jurisdictions then we both have now to comply with two sets of regulators. As the number of jurisdictions is increased so does the number of regulators, and even worse the sometimes conflicting interactions between the various regulators each provider has to deal with.
These are the reasons why we see many innovative payment methods that work only within one jurisdiction but only few and expensive options across international borders. Paying 2.50 USD for coffee at the local coffee shop is not where Bitcoin shines, but paying 2.50 USD for a good or service from a provider across the world is where Bitcoin can really shine. Centralized and semi-centralized solutions do have a role to play in reducing blockchain bloat, but cannot not by themselves solve the problem. For example: Coinbase provides both exchange and merchant services to persons in the US, and requires a US bank account. if one of their exchange customers make a purchase from one of their merchants with Bitcoin, this transaction does not need to go through the blockchain. One the other hand if I in Canada makes a purchase from a Coinbase merchant my transaction does have to go through the blockchain, and I, by the way, obtained my BTC from Virtex, who requires Canadian citizenship as a requirement of doing business with them!

One thing to note about Monero and Bytecoin is that Monero has two orders of magnitude the transaction volume by value (BTC or USD) over Bytecoin for very similar capitalizations, so the stress test of bloat should happen in Monero long before it happens in Bytecoin, even though Bytecoin is the older coin.
2269  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Share your ideas on what to replace the 1 MB block size limit with on: July 25, 2014, 10:04:37 PM
First I should point that I am familiar with many of the old threads and the arguments in them. Ironically I came across CryptoNote and Monero while researching these old threads. I will address first two points miner incentives and decentralization because they are both very valid. They also form part of most of the arguments against increasing the 1 MB block size limit.

Bitcoin isn't secure unless there is income to pay to apply computation to the honest chain (and thus far the alternatives appear not clearly workable), we argue that once the subsidy is gone transaction fees will support the security. But the existence of a market for transaction fees requires a degree of scarcity to make the rational price non-zero and to encourage efficient use. Just like Bitcoin itself wouldn't be valuable if everyone had access to infinite Bitcoins, our incentives require a degree of scarcity of blockspace.
This is all very true but it can be addressed by making an increase in difficulty a necessary requirement for an increase in the blocksize limit. In short if the miners are not receiving the proper incentives then the difficulty can not also be rising at the same time. This is why I included the second requirement of a rising difficulty for a blocksize increase in my suggestion.

Blocksize has a trade-off with decentralization. If verifying the blockchain is made expensive (relative to hardware and bandwidth costs), then past some limit Bitcoin becomes a centralized system where everyone is economically forced to trust some consortium of large miners— which are themselves more efficient if centralized since they can just verify once, instead of verifying for themselves. (If the economic majority is trusting and not verifying, you need to also do the same so you don't end up split from the other users of the system.)
The problem here is that a fixed blocksize does not take into account that these hardware and bandwith costs are dropping at an exponential rate. Furthermore this also does not take into account that what will likely limit the "economic majority" namely consumers form verifying transactions is not cost but rather the fact that they choose to cede control over their devices to large centralized corporations such as Apple and Microsoft.  An iPad or a Surface tablet may have the processing power and memory to handle a full Bitcoin node but is not able to do so because the DRM in the device. Now for under 20% of the cost of an iPad one can purchase a used laptop running GNU/Linux that is perfectly capable of handling a full Bitcoin node. If the 1-2% of Bitcoin users, who choose to run GNU/Linux, are the only ones verifying transactions that still provides enough decentralization to secure the network. Furthermore it avoids an attack by a propriety OS vendor who could use the DRM in their OS to cripple Bitcoin. One thing we must keep in mind here is that those who run a propriety OS do not control their devices they only think they do. Crippling Bitcoin with a 1 MB block size limit is not going to solve the centralization issue.

This brings me to the third point
 
Bitcoin currency throughput can be increased to arbitrary levels without increasing blocksizes, especially if you're willing to make decentralization tradeoffs. Importantly, handling high volume transactions in other ways than expressing each and every one in the global bitcoin ledger can help avoid pulling down the available security for all transactions just because a large volume of low value transactions need the throughput and can accept the lower security. Work in this space has been under-developed, but I'm not aware of anyone disagreeing with the broad possibilities here. Because of the lack of need until now it's only recently become possible to raise substantial funding for work in this space.
True but this is essentially self defeating. If it turns out that a centralized or semi centralized solution can be competitive with Bitcoin in certain situations then so be it. This however should be a result of true market forces and not an arbitrary limit placed on Bitcoin.

Edit: With respect to CryptoNote and Monero, I do see merit in the argument that the fee penalty alone may not be enough to constrain blocksize; however when combined with the difficulty increase requirement the picture changes. As for the specifics of the Monero blockchain there are also other factors including dust from mining pools that led to the early bloating, and we must also keep in mind the CryptoNote and Monero also have built in privacy which adds to the blocksize by its very nature.
2270  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Zhou Tonged - Mr. Bitcoin (The Chordettes - Mr. Sandman) on: July 25, 2014, 08:02:03 PM
The 5.34 USD price per BTC in the background. That is my favourite part.  Wink
2271  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Share your ideas on what to replace the 1 MB block size limit with on: July 25, 2014, 07:33:59 PM
My suggestion, to get this discussion started, is a dynamic block size limit that is based on the following two parameters:

1) The median size of the a set of the previous blocks. A good example is the model of the CryptoNote coins, for example Monero (XMR). https://cryptonote.org/inside.php.
2) We could also add the requirement that for an increase in the block size limit the difficulty must be rising and for a decrease the difficulty must be falling.
2272  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: July 25, 2014, 06:23:29 PM
are there other castles for sale in the region of The Risto Castle? We could create a Bitcoin Castle Hub in a few years Wink

Porkuni is a project for the one not faint in heart. The grounds + building area is (slightly) larger than mine, but in a totally run-down condition.

Laitse is an elegantly renovated country home of 1,500sqm, easy to maintain but a little higher to buy.



Excellent value for money, could just about get a 1 bed flat for EUR 2,500,000 where I am  Grin

I would have to agree; however this is from the perspective of someone living British Columbia, Canada where our largest city Vancouver is in the midst of a major real estate bubble.
2273  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: July 25, 2014, 06:06:38 AM
Hmm.. well spotted  theory.

But why they would want to dump it for fiat, and in the exchanges.

edit.: could they be raising fiat for some kind of funding round from institutional inv. for those money to be seen in they balance sheets?

They have budgeted to spend a fixed amount of fiat over approximately the next six months, so they need to hedge their risk. https://www.ethereum.org/pdfs/IntendedUseOfRevenue.pdf.
2274  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: July 25, 2014, 05:56:45 AM
The recent drop from 620 USD coincides with the Ethereum IPO. The BTC that were traded for ether were subsequently sold for fiat. It is about the right amount of BTC and with a few hours delay. Just a theory.
2275  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2014-07-23] - New Zealand to Treat Bitcoin as Foreign Currency on: July 23, 2014, 09:48:27 PM
This makes a lost of sense particularly when considering the GST.
2276  Economy / Exchanges / Re: BITSTAMP seizing coins and accounts - BEWARE on: July 23, 2014, 09:16:05 PM

May I ask what kind identification they already have on file for you. For example do they have a driver's license or identity card on file for you?

i don't remember what identification  i gave them when i first opened my account. i don't think i gave them any - but i did give them my name and banking information, which they checked out and confirmed was real.

Thanks for the info. I am trying to get a handle on possible solvency issues here.
2277  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Mt. Gox: A Case of Asset Stripping on: July 23, 2014, 07:36:26 PM
An interesting theory I must say. My theory is more along the lines of MTGox running a BTC fractional reserve all along that turned into a very ugly BTC short squeeze at the end. One thing to keep in mind here the problems with MTGox would materialize right after a sharp rise in the BTC / USD price both in 2011 and twice in 2013. This would also explain the missing fiat.

I suspect that the suspension of USD withdrawals in June 2013 had a lot more to do with MTGox's solvency than any action of the US Government or the banking sector. Furthermore if one wishes to defraud members of a community with a large component of libertarians and crypto-anarchists blaming the "state" and in particular a very large superpower state does make for a very good cover.
 
2278  Economy / Exchanges / Re: BITSTAMP seizing coins and accounts - BEWARE on: July 23, 2014, 07:16:40 PM
i have been a bitstamp customer for over a year and i have completed many transactions there in that time.
last friday, i initiated a small cash withdrawal and was shocked to get a message the next day that told me that unless i send them my passport image and information, i would not be able to withdraw any of my coins or cash ever again.
nothing has changed in my account with regards to my banking information or the volume and size of my transactions, or my password or security information. but they are claiming this is a new KYC (know your customer) initiative designed to protect my account from hackers, even though they admit that there is no evidence that anyone has tried to improperly access my account or make any changes to my account information.
i have been passing messages back and forth since then but they are refusing to release my coins and cash unless i provide them with my passport.

does anybody have any suggestions on who i should be talking to there?
has anyone been through this before? what did you do to resolve this?
any advice on how to proceed will be greatly appreciated.

i do not want to give them my passport or any identification information beyond what they already have. it is a betrayal of the promises they used to make about protecting my anonymity and money!

this appears to be straight up stealing from all of us who do not wish our passports to end up with a bunch of faceless Estonians.

once i get my money back, i will never use bitstamp again.

what other exchanges do you recommend that do NOT want that amount of personal information.


May I ask what kind identification they already have on file for you. For example do they have a driver's license or identity card on file for you?
2279  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is PoS dead? on: July 23, 2014, 12:43:25 AM
The problem with proof of stake is that stake in the coin does not equal exposure to the coin if a derivatives market in the coin exists. I explained this attack in this post and the subsequent discussion. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=694436.msg7946409#msg7946409 Basically one hedges one's stake in the coin by taking an equivalent short position in the derivatives market to create zero net exposure to the coin in order to launch the attack.

You don't even need a derivative market (although that is another way to leverage the nothing at stake problem).  You have some coins in block x, you sell the coins, you now have nothing however you can re-org the chain back from block x.  Why?  Although you have nothing "now" in the past back at block x you did have something.  You are attacking with the "memory" or history of coins.

One can even combine both attacks.  
1) Gradually build a position in both the coin (long) and derivative market (short).
2) Unwind both the long and short position in (1)
3) Launch memory attack.
The advantage for the attacker over a straight memory attack is keeping price fluctuation in the coin low during (1).
Edit: There is another advantage for the attacker in that there can also be "nothing at stake" during the build-up in (1) because of the hedged position.
2280  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is PoS dead? on: July 23, 2014, 12:23:01 AM
The problem with proof of stake is that stake in the coin does not equal exposure to the coin if a derivatives market in the coin exists. I explained this attack in this post and the subsequent discussion. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=694436.msg7946409#msg7946409 Basically one hedges one's stake in the coin by taking an equivalent short position in the derivatives market to create zero net exposure to the coin in order to launch the attack.
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