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161  Economy / Speculation / Re: How MUCH will the FINAL BTC be WORTH? on: December 19, 2017, 02:56:34 PM
LOL. In my opinion I think there are no final price for Bitcoin cause it'll never die and it'll keep increasing all of its life, sometime it can be dump a little bit but it'll rise back right after that (always the same all the time right at the start). It can be 100k$ 500k$ or maybe even 1m$ Smiley) Don't really know about it but it'll keep increasing until something will happen and make it stop and stand stable all the time Smiley)
The question itself sounds like a joke , as bitcoin is decentralized which everything depends on us who have full control over the money.
When a lot of people agree to sell their bitcoin at the same time the price will get dropped and vice versa.
The fixed price might will never happened because its decentalized , statistically bitcoin always increasing time after time.
162  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How can gambling help you with your life? on: December 19, 2017, 02:42:15 PM
Sometimes if you gamble and win, you can have extra money for the things you want because for me all my needs, i dont rely source from gambling, it should be prepared from your regular means of living, therefore if i win in gambling its all extras, all for luxury or either i can put to investmemt😃
Sometimes , but when you look at people around they are suffering huge loss mostly.
So your winning might only for temporary and the rest of it always become a nightmare , you get back to zero or even worse.
That is the clear circle in gambling , you do won 1 btc but then lost it in the next day worth 1.5 bitcoin and so on, you guys should wake up .
163  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: how to trade efficiently? on: December 19, 2017, 02:26:06 PM
Day trading is risky to starters/new traders, which can make you loss all your investment and no capital at all. It is more better you go for a long term trading plan, buy some few coins (after a good time on research about those coin) when there is dip in there prices and wait for it.
Long term trading needs a proper analysis , otherwise it could be wasteful.
For example , in 2 days you should have gained profit more than 50% if you do day trading with scalping technique.
But as you have a plan to trade it in long term , by the end of the day your plan ended it goes down to -30% guess how much you have lost? Time and value! You still need a proper analysis.
164  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Do whales Buy/sell to themself to manipulate markets? on: December 18, 2017, 11:33:14 PM
Of course.

It's debatable whether it's still possible a small group of entities can do it in the Bitcoin market. It's huge and all over the world. In alts it's borderline guaranteed. It's not illegal. It's almost certain to work. There's a ton of money in it. Why not?

The truly successful have a mindset that is the absolute opposite of the majority. They buy when things are looking horrendous and sell when everyone else is euphoric.
That's why a pump/dump called as a scam attempt at some point for several people.
The work of making fake bull/bear pretty clear it is not fair and yet people condidered it as somethinv normal , something that not illegal at all.
We cannot avoid this kind practice honestly , so just becareful.
165  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Trading vs Gambling on: December 18, 2017, 11:24:16 PM
Trading and Gambling travel in the two different directions. One is Hard work and another one only on luck. One is if you not follow carefully there is chances of loosing your investment another one is if you not even carefully chances of loosing what you invested.

There are gambling games that you mostly need hard work too, working with analysis and that goes with sports betting and poker. Trading is given that you need more time to analyze and study on how the market goes around, how does it pump and where it solely getting it's price to be go down. While in gambling, you just need to used to it and study on how the game works and it's up to you on how you'll beat the game, your opponents but beating the house is impossible.
But still you know in the end luck always has bigger role to determine the outcome.
You cannot do much to expect any action could have a big influence into the outcome in gambling , all of them is random basicslly.
Where trading isn't random thing since first day it live.
166  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How do you deal with loss? on: December 18, 2017, 06:23:18 PM
Me? I break shit. Seriously. I take a mug, and break it. When I run out of mugs, I go and buy the cheapest ones in the supermarket. To be honest, I am not even that angry, I'm doing it on purpose, because it makes me laugh at how idiotic my behaviour is. That alone makes me very calm and light headed. And I take the lesson and move on.
That was epic lol , but yeaa indeed everytime you feel upset and did stupid things to express your dejection.
After you get cool down, no wonder you will regret on whatever you have done.
Because it is useless and nothing really helpful when you make a decision in hurry. So makes yourself comfortable before continue it.
167  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling Excuses on: December 18, 2017, 06:09:38 PM
Gamble away moneys that isnt yours? bad idea..
Gambling should be for fun purposes only Cheesy
This is the kind of gamblers that I pity the most. Even after losing their own wealth, they don't understand one simple fact about gambling that it can ruin life. Trying to recover the loss with the same game with someone's money is like adding further fuel to the fire. Gambling itself is fuel into the fire when gambler is an unstable person financially.
Gambling will never solve any problem , especially a money problem involve debts.
You will ony make everything ruined more than what it was , it is so risky and even more to harmful.
So stay away from gambling when you think you cannot make a plan and obey on it later.
Nothing can be solved with gambling knowing that it would just make you more trouble than good. That's if you cannot control yourself and you wouldn't know what to do with the current situation. You could avoid that if you didn't put much effort with the gambling that you get addicted. If you would like, there are ways to really stop gambling, you could just apply it to you and hopefully it would help you stop.
Nothing but people keep coming to play , really weird isn't it?
An addiction will always get blamed whenever you realized that you are in huge debt that is really normal to do so.
Then when you have a thought to cover that debt with a new bet could be a solution even with 50:50 chance, people tend to take it and ignore the facts.
168  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling addiction. on: December 18, 2017, 05:48:35 PM
Gambling addiction is one type of syological issue it in like cancer in our body it is very difficult  to remove and cure also. Nothing is impossible also. Once you find this habit you have to control your self to come out it slowly only. But it is curable habit only.
Yeah! It’s a psychological issue and families of gamblers do take their gambler relative to psychiatrists’ for proper treatment because they are unable to fight against such disease alone. But as you said that nothing is impossible, yes nothing is impossible and gamblers can reduce this thing by changing their company they are keeping and also by sharing their problems with their loving ones rather than to find a dull solution.

There are many ways a decisive gambler that really wants to change and get away his/her addiction. If that gambler know very well that he/she can't control the addiction, that gambler can always seek professional help. The key is he/she must have that decisive and fixed will to change.
Yeaaa frequently happened to people around me that they said has the will to change already.
But everytime it is failed , in the middle they are turn back around to do anything to gamble again.
Maybe that is what people call as a real addiction, something that hard to fight.
169  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How can you save money while playing gambling games? on: December 17, 2017, 10:41:36 AM
You just have to set yourself a rule or something to limit yourself from gambling and losing your money at the same time. I'm sure you have enough money to gamble with using bitcoin and so the only thing you need to do is just set up a certain target amount in a day that you'll only use for gambling and the rest would be for saving.

This is what I did, I set that when I gamble my rule is that I must save more than the amount that I'll gamble. It's not a perfect example to other gamblers when I play and I save nothing. I'll pursue saving than gambling and mostly if possible I'll hold the fund I use to gamble which is bitcoin. Saving money is necessary to everyone and it can be pushed when you are truly focused and has a goal for it.
Hold yourself , that's the key. When you have won even a little amount , just be grateful.
Take it and hold yourself , think about when you continue the game you will get busted.
And if you could just don't comeback , save it as your blessing , otherwise i am sure your gambling habit will never has an end.

Nice words, I like what you said about being grateful. This is the problem in most of the gamblers, when there's a small winning no one's grateful with it. And we keep on asking for more but I've learned on this thing. I started to save with small amounts and giving importance to how much you win will lead you to save money while gambling. Be a responsible gambler and give importance to every winning that you make.
Yeaa people become crazy when it comes to looking for greater profit in gambling.
There is no ends point when you talk about human satisfaction , be wise to use gamble as an entertainment way.
Take your profit as an extra , entertainment should be your primary target.
170  Economy / Speculation / Re: Do you regret selling your BTCs? on: December 15, 2017, 10:04:25 AM
Of course I regret it because I have never thought that the price will hit as high as last week. I checked all my sell orders history on an exchange especially those which I sold when it was less than $500, then start imagining if I hold all btc that I have sold few years back. I must have so much money now. But it is happened already, no need to regret it too much. There are still many chances to earn decent amount of money from bitcoin and cryptocurrency.
Don't do that lol , it will only hurt us for sure. Look at how much money you should have right now if you did not sell it all and so on.
Bitcoin always make us in deep regret , forget it and moving onto next one for the better future.
Do another investment and don't look back. Tell yourself that it is enough to feel regret , make a real action.
171  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How can you save money while playing gambling games? on: December 15, 2017, 09:33:33 AM
You just have to set yourself a rule or something to limit yourself from gambling and losing your money at the same time. I'm sure you have enough money to gamble with using bitcoin and so the only thing you need to do is just set up a certain target amount in a day that you'll only use for gambling and the rest would be for saving.

This is what I did, I set that when I gamble my rule is that I must save more than the amount that I'll gamble. It's not a perfect example to other gamblers when I play and I save nothing. I'll pursue saving than gambling and mostly if possible I'll hold the fund I use to gamble which is bitcoin. Saving money is necessary to everyone and it can be pushed when you are truly focused and has a goal for it.
Hold yourself , that's the key. When you have won even a little amount , just be grateful.
Take it and hold yourself , think about when you continue the game you will get busted.
And if you could just don't comeback , save it as your blessing , otherwise i am sure your gambling habit will never has an end.
172  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Turning crypto into fiat or is that even nessesary anymore! on: December 15, 2017, 09:11:29 AM
I think it's still needed cause there are very few place that everyone can use Bitcoin directly for payment cause Bitcoin is not legalized worldwide so for almost people all over the world they still need to exchange Bitcoin into fiat if they want to use it to buy anything or pay for bill.
Yea, most especially now that the usage of bitcoin is not widespread and hardly will you walk up to 10 stores before you even get the chances of seeing anyone accepting bitcoin for now. Except for countries like Japan so far that has been able to legalize and regulate bitcoin, I really want to believe it must have given some merchants more chance to play around its usage than in places where it is not.
We have the same thought, bitcoin is still not fully accepted world wide so that we still must convert our bitcoin into fiat in order to spend it. Yeah there are some online and offline store that accept bitcoin as payment but ony few. Though in some country like Japan, you were able to use it but it will takes a lot of time for a world to accept it and use it in any kind of transaction.
yeaa it should become a consideration , we cannot spend our bitcoin to get lunch , dinner etc
We still need it at least for now as the merchant is limited , people cannot do much with bitcoin in their daily lives.
Or just simply you should become the pioneer who adopt bitcoin as the payment tool in your own store.
173  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin will surpass $500,000 by the end of 2018 on: December 15, 2017, 08:59:19 AM
Bitcoin can't reach $1 million per coin for sure within next few decades but if it will remain alive or in limelight than it can surpass that level after all bitcoin will be mined.

Also $500,000 by end of 2018 is just a over speculation. I think $50k around will be new ATH price for 2018.
Delusional! $500k within few weeks is of course not realistic with that random data.
Even $50k i will say it is hard , bitcoin even struggle to comeback to $17,500 and $18,000 how you can say something like that.
Let's be realistic , close this year with $19,000 is a gift , close this year with $50,000 it is miracle!
174  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How do you deal with loss? on: December 15, 2017, 08:51:23 AM
I am trying to convince myself that this is not the worst thing that could happen with me, there is always something could be much worse of that. Whatching TV hepls with this a lot Smiley
Yeaaa that's true , keep being positive and take everything as a precious lesson to not repeating the same thing again .
Never easy to accept the fact that you are a loser , but get rushed to make a mover right after your loss wasn't a good idea.
It won't solve anything just make you feel satisfied for a moment , and the rest of it will become a huge regret.
175  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How can gambling help you with your life? on: December 15, 2017, 08:42:14 AM
Well basically, gambling help me with my life by giving me entertainment, because when you bet and you win it is exciting but when you lose you want to regain your loss (proper budgeting is required). Also, gambling gives me some profit when i win. But in gambling there are times that you will lose but in that instance it also give you lesson and experience.
Haha lol what you can do with that experience when you almost lost everything because of gambling?
Nothing right? So i think basically gambling will always destructive and not helpful at all in the end.
It is addictive , and something like that usually never gives you a real benefit in the long run.
176  Economy / Speculation / Re: Can Bitcoin Still Go Up? on: December 14, 2017, 05:18:51 PM
Of course, the price of bitcoin can go up no matter the price because many people are buying bitcoins.
The price of bitcoin can never be too expensive for those that have the money to buy, it can only be expensive for guys like me and you.
Just remember there is something called correction where people feel the market has reached saturation point.
The skyrocketing price won't happened continuously and some people think that the correction time should happened soon before new year.
We wish the price continue growing , but the fact says not now. Well .... let's see.
177  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: your mentality after a huge loss? on: December 14, 2017, 04:50:33 PM
Money is just money. Money come, money leave. Don't fall in depression, there are far worst situations as war, lack of food in some countries.

If you are healthy, then you can earn money later  Smiley
You might can say that wise words in normal condition , it is different when you are underpressure.
Talking about losing huge money never be an easy day to get through for anyone .
That's why before the game started , before you make any investment makes sure you put only the money that you can afford to lose.
178  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will the price of bitcoin increase forever? on: December 14, 2017, 04:37:49 PM
Nothing can increase in value forever, there will come a time that bitcoin is nothing more than a collectors item as it is replaced by something superior. Until that time as long as adoption increases then bitcoin price will always increase.
Yeaa even though bitcoin has limited supply and the demand keep coming , there is a time for bitcoin to get stuck.
Or even dropped , as nothing last forever! Especially bitcoin is something that considered as an uncertain thing.
Don't be so overconfident , just think realistically and be wise! With that way you won't expect that impossible thing.
179  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why trading is better than gambling? on: December 14, 2017, 04:24:47 PM
Because in trading, you still have the chance to stop your losses unlike in gambling that if it's a wrong pick then it's over. Trading can also boost your money from 10x-100x while your loss are just multiplying in gambling.
In trading there is no risk involved as in case of gambling, while playing gambling it's not sure whether we will get the profit or not, suppose if we lose then we'll not get any amount but in trading sometimes we'll get profit some other time may not, but no loss as in case gambling. So trading is better

Are you new to trading? Because you say that there is no risk involved in trading. Plenty of people losing money every day in trading if they don't do their homework correctly. Trading is very risky if you don't know what your buying and selling unless you just buy some good altcoins and ready to wait. I also agree trading is better but it also got a risk of losing your money so trade carefully.
Everything has risk , i just think that he is talking randomly here.
Nothing serious should be responded about that. Trading clearly better with its various profit making factor .
Gambling also gives you stressed time than entertainment time , just give it a try and compare it by yourself , there is a contrast difference for sure.
180  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Patience and Holding on: December 14, 2017, 03:50:14 PM
Patience is the soul of any activity or work specially in trading or dealing with any monetary work.Having patience will yield you more than your expectation and is also advice to calm and have patience while dealing.Holding and patience may provide you great rewards at the right time.
Yeaaa people with patience in trading will get better result , as trading about waiting the value gained based on your analysis of course.
If you get panic easily you won't get benefit even you might get hurt when you do trade in hurry.
Do more research and makes sure you won't feel the FUD in the proccess.
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