Yes, I fail to perceive your delusional reality.
My senses are failing me in detecting your "unknown and undefined agent who is outside of this universe and influences everything in this universe, an agent who decided to inspire people to write some books but not others, etc." I am paraphrasing as I don't remember all the details of your delusion.
I suspect you are not only delusional but also paranoid. You see evil in any progressive thought, people who criticize the Bible, or people who believe in some other religions. I suspect you view Atheists are the evilest of all people. I think you have more in common with Islamists than you are willing to admit.
Yet, you admit that you are against slavery. At least you are better than your God on that point, LOL.
You are an enigma, but I am not an expert in Psychiatry so I cannot help you further.
I suspect your delusion is not as severe as BADecker's or notbatman's, but I cannot be sure. You could be masking it well because you are brighter than most people who suffer from these religious delusions.
Perhaps that is because you are looking in the wrong way. It is very difficult to touch a cloud or hear the light from the stars. Abstract truths are likewise challenging to perceive when the mind is focused on the senses.... Not just human senses but all other hi-tech equipment we have developed over the years has failed to detect any God(s). Abstract truths are just abstract truths. That is the point. It is not reasonable to have faith. Where faith begins, reason ends. |
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so you are saying Quran is not true because it is 1400 years a go. So what about origin of science, do you know who created first ship and how many years ago and you are still using it for trade in 21 st century.
Quran was written in the 7th century by people who did not know what planet they were on or what a bacteria or a virus was. The wisdom in the Quran reflects that. Debunking The Embryo Miracle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQXjyuxpNdEFacts you don't know about the Quran https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvqgVS8KVJA |
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I care about others that is why I am criticizing religions when religions are calling for a genocide of the whole group of people.
The moral code you have in the Quran was written for the 7th-century culture. It has no place in the 21st century.
You have to stand up to evil, otherwise, the evil will run amok.
PS. Allah 'said' that wine is the work of the devil and one should not consume it, then he 'created' the heaven with rivers full of wine for you to enjoy. Obviously, two different guys wrote the verses without knowing what the other wrote.
You believe in nonsense. The nonsense that can lead you to kill people. Just think about it for a second, if you can. How in the world do you think you are going to establish the Sharia Law in the whole world? By genocide that is how.
This ideology is as evil as they come. Sickens me to even think about it.
Hitler's Mein Kampf is nothing compared to the Quran.
and you were born in 20th century so better kill yourself because you are getting old and can not implement your old thinking in 21st century of latest science and technology . No wonder you believe in the Islamic horseshit. You make no sense, other than the part where you want me dead. Let me guess, you are against modern technology and any social progress but don't mind using an app to see which way is Mecca when you pray, LOL. Do you also keep the Quran on your latest, greatest iPhone? You must be hit with cognitive dissonance every fucking day. You present no arguments to support your position because you have none. PS. It is as if in the 1950s some guy had a dream that he talked to an angel and told his friend, who told his friends. Then in the year 2005, some other guy (working in the nursing home talked to some residents who told him about the guy from the 1950s and his dream about the angel) wrote a manifesto based on it and called it the Quran. Makes perfect sense. |
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You clearly do not understand my position. I do not have a choice.
My brain does not allow me to accept things that cannot be validated by science. My epistemology is based on that.
^^ How does anyone know if all of the things that science has not validated can be scientifically validated? Do you have scientific validation that you do not have a choice without scientific validation?
The things that science cannot explain, I am ok with simply not knowing.
^^ If you don't have scientific validation for the idea that you only have choice with scientific validation, you don't really know if you only have scientifically validated choice. But you said that you only have scientifically validated choice, above.
You think I have made this choice but I am telling you I do not make choices to know what is true and what is not.
Things are true or false without me choosing them.
^^ Has it been scientifically validated that things are true or false without you choosing them? Quantum Entanglement suggests otherwise.
You have a choice, actually infinite number of them, you are limited only by your imagination, I, on the other hand, am confined to what science can discover and validate.
^^ Has science validated that you exist? If it hasn't, you may not be able to choose anything, scientifically validated or not... especially that someone else has some choices.
In a way, I envy you, you are an ignorant simpleton who is only limited by his imagination.
^^ Has that been scientifically validated, or are you contradicting yourself by choosing to suggest such without scientific validation?
I wish I was dumber, life would have been a lot simpler. Instead, I see a very complex world and I am sad that other people are dumb as rocks. Where is the natural selection when you need her?
^^ If you continue on your course in life, you will probably become dumber. Perhaps you should have yourself checked out by several psychiatrists and psychologists. Particularly, show them you points in your post that I am quoting here, so that they understand what they are dealing with in you.
Besides, natural selection has not been scientifically validated. The closest it has come are the few jokers who suggest that it might have been scientifically validated.
You have to stand up to evil, otherwise, the evil will run amok.
The existence of evil and the moral obligation to oppose it also cannot be validated by science af_newbie. BADecker has done you a great service in deconstructing and highlighting the flaws in your logic. It is my recommendation that you spend some time pondering his comments. It means a lot coming from a person who believes the evolution is a hoax. He exposed his own lunacy, that is about it. See you guys in the movies. PS. All three of you, notbatman, BADecker and you should get together to iron out the details of your individual delusions. Clinically, you are all the same. Failure to perceive reality.You should be aware you have diagnosed yourself here af_newbie. If you truly cannot see the glaring logical contradictions in your thoughts highlighted immediately above it can only be described as willful blindness. You seem to care deeply about stopping evil and the advancement of society. You fail to understand that your incorrect perception of reality prevents the achievement of those ends. You are actively working at cross purposes to your stated goal and cannot see it. The Three Parts of Morality by C.S. Lewishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtTeCyrgjIQYes, I fail to perceive your delusional 'reality'. My senses are failing me in detecting your "unknown and undefined agent who is outside of this universe and influences everything in this universe, an agent who decided to inspire people to write some books but not others, etc." I am paraphrasing as I don't remember all the details of your delusion. I suspect you are not only delusional but also paranoid. You see evil in any progressive thought, people who criticize the Bible, or people who believe in some other religions. I suspect you view Atheists are the evilest of all people. I think you have more in common with Islamists than you are willing to admit. Yet, you admit that you are against slavery. At least you are better than your God on that point, LOL. You are an enigma, but I am not an expert in Psychiatry so I cannot help you further. I suspect your delusion is not as severe as BADecker's or notbatman's, but I cannot be sure. You could be masking it well because you are brighter than most people who suffer from these religious delusions. |
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You clearly do not understand my position. I do not have a choice.
My brain does not allow me to accept things that cannot be validated by science. My epistemology is based on that.
^^ How does anyone know if all of the things that science has not validated can be scientifically validated? Do you have scientific validation that you do not have a choice without scientific validation?
The things that science cannot explain, I am ok with simply not knowing.
^^ If you don't have scientific validation for the idea that you only have choice with scientific validation, you don't really know if you only have scientifically validated choice. But you said that you only have scientifically validated choice, above.
You think I have made this choice but I am telling you I do not make choices to know what is true and what is not.
Things are true or false without me choosing them.
^^ Has it been scientifically validated that things are true or false without you choosing them? Quantum Entanglement suggests otherwise.
You have a choice, actually infinite number of them, you are limited only by your imagination, I, on the other hand, am confined to what science can discover and validate.
^^ Has science validated that you exist? If it hasn't, you may not be able to choose anything, scientifically validated or not... especially that someone else has some choices.
In a way, I envy you, you are an ignorant simpleton who is only limited by his imagination.
^^ Has that been scientifically validated, or are you contradicting yourself by choosing to suggest such without scientific validation?
I wish I was dumber, life would have been a lot simpler. Instead, I see a very complex world and I am sad that other people are dumb as rocks. Where is the natural selection when you need her?
^^ If you continue on your course in life, you will probably become dumber. Perhaps you should have yourself checked out by several psychiatrists and psychologists. Particularly, show them you points in your post that I am quoting here, so that they understand what they are dealing with in you.
Besides, natural selection has not been scientifically validated. The closest it has come are the few jokers who suggest that it might have been scientifically validated.
You have to stand up to evil, otherwise, the evil will run amok.
The existence of evil and the moral obligation to oppose it also cannot be validated by science af_newbie. BADecker has done you a great service in deconstructing and highlighting the flaws in your logic. It is my recommendation that you spend some time pondering his comments. It means a lot coming from a person who believes the evolution is a hoax. He exposed his own lunacy, that is about it. See you guys in the movies. PS. All three of you, notbatman, BADecker and you should get together to iron out the details of your individual delusions. Clinically, you are all the same. Failure to perceive reality. |
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first of all we can not blame whole community just because of few rotten apples. And i think some of them hate religion because they think different religion are the reason of this extremism and radicalization presence in the world, which is true at all. Some people who are not following religion properly are extremist because no religion of world preach extremism.
What does the Bible or Quran say you should do with the gay people? Religious people are the victims. The worldview presented in the scriptures is what is wrong with religions. Not 'few rotten apples' as you put it. People are born into their religions and become indoctrinated as children. What happens after that depends on who they associate with. Religions poison your mind. All religions are equally evil. The issue is not with 'few rotten apples', the issue is with 'rotten scriptures'. Religious apologetics always try to shift the blame on people, away from the scriptures, but the fact is that the scriptures are the root cause of all the problems created by religions. Not the people who were indoctrinated into the religions of their parents. its the laws to live, if we live without rules we are savages. Holy religious books do not stops you from any beneficial thing or action it only stops you from what is wrong and harmful for humanity. Is killing gays wrong or not, in your opinion? no i think its right. Where are your morals? You don't think murdering people is wrong? What the fuck is wrong with you? Are you mentally sick? . Why the hell you people are blaming religions for all the mess Are you brain damaged? Religious laws tell people to murder people for no apparent reason. That is not freedom of speech. That is hate speech. Religious laws incite violence. And what about the diseases spreading from this homosexuality thing can you justify that as well. What about AIDS, many people die every year due to this disease and you think homosexuality is right and i consider it as a murder of innocent people from this gay community. You are savages living lives without any clear rules and instructions just living it. What about rape, alcohol, child abuse, murder, terrorism and other many bad deeds from which religions stops human beings.Religion does not stop those things. If anything, it encourages it and/or supports it. BTW, you can get HIV on your next visit to the dentist. HIV is spread through the exchange of bodily fluids, you ignoramus. You are a barbarian. Do you think you stand on the higher moral ground with your 6th-century wisdom? You are ignoring centuries of scientific and technological progress we have made as a human race. You are locked in a time capsule. yes you are right hiv spreads from fluid or serum but you are not pointing out the root cause from where it started. And what you are saying that religions does not stops but encourages it, how can you even say that when you don’t even know about religions. And what you are talking about science and 21 century so religions made laws to live many centuries ago and science is following it. I feel pity for your thinking. Do you want the root cause? Here it is: https://www.theaidsinstitute.org/education/aids-101/where-did-hiv-come-0I hope you will not teach your ignorance to your children. Hopefully, you will no children to teach your 6th-century wisdom. ehteist just want to eliminate religion from world which will never happen Wrong again. We want to expose the stupid, barbaric ideas religions profess. Religions will eliminate themselves. Bad ideas will be replaced with better ideas. That is how progress is made in pretty much anything. On equal political footing, religions would not stand a chance against secular, scientific thought. than you should search for the origin of science where started from and scientists who were involved were not secular nor etheist. The ones that were, were burned at the stake, hung from a tree, crucified or had their heads chopped off. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_BrunoHere is a quote from Galileo for you to ponder on: "The Bible shows the way to go to heaven, not the way the heavens go."Newton believed in the "God of the Gaps", just like some scientists today. Religion fills an emotional need. It reassures believers that things will be ok, that some father figure is always there to help them. This is self-delusion, but it does offer some psychological help to some people. People like yourself. If your religion stops you from killing people, you should strongly believe in your God and abide by the laws in the corresponding scriptures. than what about Einstein and Thomas Edison what about many other scientists You can not blame religions for every thing happening in this world. You think religion is impeding progress and I think it’s the inequality which is spreading hate. Why do you care what famous scientists thought or said? Are you looking for validation? Are you believing in Spinoza's God? For every scientist who believed (or believes) in God (in some shape, or form), I can find you 10 that don't. If I were you, I would worry more about becoming an Islamist. You want to kill gays, so you are half way there. Your scripture can lead you into a slippery slope, 'kill gays' -> Islamist -> Jihadist -> Terrorist its not about killing gay its about law which religions defined for human beings and for us we have to follow them. you dont follow religion if you dont want to but criticizing others is not justifiable. I care about others that is why I am criticizing religions when religions are calling for a genocide of the whole group of people. The moral code you have in the Quran was written for the 7th-century culture. It has no place in the 21st century. You have to stand up to evil, otherwise, the evil will run amok. PS. Allah 'said' that wine is the work of the devil and one should not consume it, then he 'created' the heaven with rivers full of wine for you to enjoy. Obviously, two different guys wrote the verses without knowing what the other wrote. You believe in nonsense. The nonsense that can lead you to kill people. Just think about it for a second, if you can. How in the world do you think you are going to establish the Sharia Law in the whole world? By genocide that is how. This ideology is as evil as they come. Sickens me to even think about it. Hitler's Mein Kampf is nothing compared to the Quran. |
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Things are true or false without me choosing them.
I think that's something religious people cannot understand, the fact that you cannot choose to believe in god or anything for that matter, when you believe in something is because you are convinced of it for some reason but if you don't, you simply cannot force yourself to believe in it just like you can't force yourself to be gay if you are not. ... Human reasons can indeed only take you so far. Beyond that it is a matter of faith. Not everyone is capable of faith. ... Where faith begins, human reason stops. Some people are always in control of their reason, others let go of it and become religious. |
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Materialism is an assumption. It is a chosen framework to understand the universe.
I hold it to be a very flawed very problematic framework with multiple consequences....
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... Our reality is material, whether you like it or not. If it was not, I would not be a materialist. ... Ok af_newbie you have clearly made your choice. I have done my best to clarify our differences reduce them to their most basic divergence in thought. I appear to have failed in shifting your position in the slightest. It is time now for me to disengage as I have nothing further to add. I wish you well. The Big Decision about Life...http://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2017/10/the-big-decision-about-life.html?m=1...Is a metaphysical one - not a matter of 'evidence'. And that insight (metaphysics not evidence) is the first step.
The situation is that Life is a mixed-picture: the decision is whether Life is validated by its best moments or times; or destroyed by its worst.
As I said, evidence does not help - the question is not quantitative. This is a matter of primary assumption.
And the question is not answerable in isolation - Life can only be validated if Life has 'meaning'; and the nature of validation depends on the nature of that meaning.
On the other hand, if you have already accepted that life has no meaning - is merely determined, or random - then you have already made your Big Decision. (Whether implicitly or explicitly) your basic assumptions ensure that for you Life is defined by its worst aspects - indeed the single, most extreme worst-of-Life is the truth-of-Life (both for individuals, and en masse).
Nothing can be done for you - because any possible Good will be negated by One Bad Thing - even when that Bad is merely the evanescence of Good.
On the other hand; if you understand, and live-by, the conviction that the best of Life is the truth of life (despite that this cannot be continuous) - then you have indomitable strength, assurance, and hope.
You clearly do not understand my position. I do not have a choice. My brain does not allow me to accept things that cannot be validated by science. My epistemology is based on that. The things that science cannot explain, I am ok with simply not knowing. You think I have made this choice but I am telling you I do not make choices to know what is true and what is not.
Things are true or false without me choosing them.You have a choice, actually infinite number of them, you are limited only by your imagination, I, on the other hand, am confined to what science can discover and validate. In a way, I envy you, you are an ignorant simpleton who is only limited by his imagination. I wish I was dumber, life would have been a lot simpler. Instead, I see a very complex world and I am sad that other people are dumb as rocks. Where is the natural selection when you need her? |
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Not really a choice. There is no evidence to support anything but materialism. I cannot believe in fairy tales just because someone wrote them. I use this thing called brain to figure out what is real and what is not. Materialism is real. Non-materialism is not. It is a chosen framework to understand the universe. I hold it to be a very flawed very problematic framework with multiple consequences including a belief in subjective morality, but that is my choice the start of a very different path than the one you took. It's the fork in the road where our paths diverge. The rest of our differences can be traced back to that divergence. This is really not a question of science or evidence at all but of primary assumption. The video demonstrates that well. CS Lewis had a genuine gift. You do indeed have your brain and logic to figure things out. You also have your heart and your conscious. You need to use them both when faced with a choice that must be made independent of and before evidence. I think you are the one who made many unsupported assumptions. Materialism does not require you to make any assumptions. You use the scientific method to derive all your knowledge. What is the flaw of materialism? That it does not explain everything in the universe? Well, that is its beauty, not a flaw. One day we'll have all the answers. The difference between us is that you cannot accept the "I don't know the answer" and you pile up your own imagined (unsupported by any evidence) theology on top of materialism. Your belief system is unsupported by science. Unsupported by the reality around us. Our reality is material, whether you like it or not. If it was not, I would not be a materialist. PS. Your non-materialism is basically all the stuff you don't know. You piled up all that into your 'religious belief system' to give you a psychological comfort. That is all. If it helps you, go for it, despite the fact it is all bullshit on wheels. |
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I have not chosen it. You have not provided any evidence of the objective moral code.
I have just pointed it out that the moral code that you think is objective is actually very subjective as evidenced by the silly Bronze Age, Bible rules.
You have decided that the Christian moral code is objective. That very decision was subjective.
Yes you have. You made the choice consciously or unconsciously when you embraced materialism. This little video should help clarify this for you. What Lies Behind the Moral Lawhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcRFYGr1zcgNot really a choice. There is no evidence to support anything but materialism. I cannot believe in fairy tales just because someone wrote them. I use this thing called brain to figure out what is real and what is not. Materialism is real. Non-materialism is not. |
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The problem you have is that you subjectively chose the 'right' God (for you). That is why your resulting moral code can never be objective. It will be the moral code of the people who started your religion.
Have you noticed that most people are very lucky to be born into the 'right' religion, LOL.
Why did you reject the Quran as the source of the 'objective morality'? Why did you reject all other religions and over 3000+ other Gods?
You see, we are not that different. I just rejected one more God than you.
I would make the case that I have actually rejected one more god then you for at some point in my life I have rejected every deity you have but I have also rejected your idol of moral relativism. I was not at all religious for the majority of my adult life. I have embraced the secular world and and succeeded in it on its own terms. I am a financially successful prodigal son if you will. It was only comparatively recently that I came to understand the bankruptcy of the entire modern system its financial system yes, hence my interest in bitcoin, but the failure goes much deeper than just finance. When I did return to God it was a slow process starting with logical first principles to determine that my beliefs where in accordance with my reason and that my views were not self contradictory or incoherent. Only then did I try and figure out what if any religion I fit into best. I did look at alternatives. Most religions have wisdom in them if you look. That includes Islam and Buddhism among others. The goal is to find truth. As for myself I seriously considered converting to orthodox Judaism for a long time and I even took a few classes with a rabbi. The Ramchal's book Way of God is to date one of the most insightful I have ever read and I would recommend it to anyone interested in God be they Christian, Muslim, Jewish, or Atheist. In the end, however, I returned to my long forgotten roots in Christianity. I am still not affiliated with any particular church within that broad domain but I suspect I will probably eventually join my local Seventh-Day Adventist church as they are a good group of people and I am comfortable with their church doctrines. That part of the journey is not yet complete. As for why I ultimately chose Christianity over the other variants possible that is a bit complex for now lets just say I felt it provided the best role model and blueprint for thought and action. You feel my beliefs are the subjective code of the people who started my religion. We will just have to disagree on that. You have chosen not to believe in objective truth at all so you really can not imagine it any other way and I understand that.I have long ago given up any expectation that I will shift you from your beliefs and I suspect that you have the same feelings about me. The value of our exchange therefore lies in it's usefulness to others. We represent two different paths that lead to dramatically different choices and life philosophies. Others at that fork may find our divergence useful and thought provoking. I agree that we are not that different. There but for the grace of God, go I. I have not chosen it. You have not provided any evidence of the objective moral code. I have just pointed it out that the moral code that you think is objective is actually very subjective as evidenced by the silly Bronze Age, Bible rules. You have decided that the Christian moral code is objective. That very decision was subjective. |
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Your error here is assuming technological advancement built on a foundation of moral subjectivism is progress. Such advancement taken to its logical conclusion and stripped of objective morality will ultimately make us all the slaves of nature not its master. CS Lewis highlights this very well in his book the Abolition of Man. This video on his work is fantastic and I highly recommend it. The Abolition of Manhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=idgYLTnSzxIRestraining science in a structure of objective morality will indeed slow it down. Things like the selling of aborted fetuses for research, human genetic engineering, voluntary self mutilation and many other frontiers of experimentation and knowledge will either be banned outright or very heavily restricted. That delay is well worth the cost. The pursuit at all costs of power in the form of knowledge is ultimately a Faustian bargain. What objective morality? Decided by whom? Birds, fish or a specific species of primates?
Morality by definition is subjective. All this talk about objective morality is nonsense. Who wrote/decided on the moral code written in the scriptures? Homo sapiens did, that is who. What you have in the Bible are subjective views on morality by the Bronze Age people. Similarly, the Quran's moral code is subjective reflections of people who lived in the 6th century. Hello?!? Anybody home? I don't know what to tell you af_newbie. You are trapped by your false assumptions. The answer of course is that the standards of objective morality and reality itself were laid down by God at the creation of the universe. Perhaps there is some way to arrive at an objective morality without embracing God but if that is possible I certainly don't know how to achieve it. You reject God so you reject objective morality that is understandable if tragic. Gospel of Matthew And one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question to test him. “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” And he said to him, " You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment." — Matthew 22:35-40 There is a reason that the command to love God was explicitly stated as the most important. God provides a foundation upon which everything else can be built including objective morality. Rejecting God you drown in subjectivism which is ultimately a fatal ideology. The Poison of Subjectivism https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lgcd6jvsCFsAll I can do is highlight the consequences of bad choices as a warning to revisit them. Health and fertility consequences are one such warning symptom. However, you may be like Astargath and don't care or would prefer living with consequence to changing your position. That is your right. Similarly you seem comfortable embracing the disastrous ideals of subjectivism which so clearly can lead only to death, ruin, and slavery rather then abandon the assumptions that demand and compel you down that path. In the end we all have the power to define who and what we are. I do hope, however, that you fail in passing on your ignorance to your children. It would help if you could just stay out of education and the classrooms. Humanity will do better going forward without your poorly thought out and toxic beliefs. The problem you have is that you subjectively chose the 'right' God (for you). That is why your resulting moral code can never be objective. It will be the moral code of the people who started your religion. Have you noticed that most people are very lucky to be born into the 'right' religion, LOL. Why did you reject the Quran as the source of the 'objective morality'? Why did you reject all other religions and over 3000+ other Gods? You see, we are not that different. I just rejected one more God than you. |
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The bottom line is that science and secularism will speed up technological progress.
The less religious you are the faster you'll get there.
The more religious you are the more you'll be stuck in the past
Your pick.
Your error here is assuming technological advancement built on a foundation of moral subjectivism is progress. Such advancement taken to its logical conclusion and stripped of objective morality will ultimately make us all the slaves of nature not its master. CS Lewis highlights this very well in his book the Abolition of Man. This video on his work is fantastic and I highly recommend it. The Abolition of Manhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=idgYLTnSzxIRestraining science in a structure of objective morality will indeed slow it down. Things like the selling of aborted fetuses for research, human genetic engineering, voluntary self mutilation and many other frontiers of experimentation and knowledge will either be banned outright or very heavily restricted. That delay is well worth the cost. The pursuit at all costs of power in the form of knowledge is ultimately a Faustian bargain. What objective morality? Decided by whom? Birds, fish or a specific species of primates?
Morality by definition is subjective. All this talk about objective morality is nonsense. Who wrote/decided on the moral code written in the scriptures? Homo sapiens did, that is who. What you have in the Bible are subjective views on morality by the Bronze Age people. Similarly, the Quran's moral code is subjective reflections of people who lived in the 6th century. Hello?!? Anybody home? |
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Tens of thousands of Polish patriots protests against Jewish extortion tries, live from Warsaw. Part in front of the American embassy, in English language by Grzegorz (Gregory) Braun. +1 These claims are baseless. Poles did not kill these Polish Jews. Germans did that. Israelis are barking at the wrong tree. Why is Israel even allowed to do this? Israel did not exist when these atrocities were committed. How can they claim that these Polish citizens were Israelis? Being Jewish is not a nationality. Judaism is a religion. I don't get it. What the Polish government was supposed to do? Wait half a century until some country in the future will make a claim. Germans are the ones who started it all, they should be the ones to pay any damages. Stalin and Allies mishandled the negotiations after WWII, Germany should have been paying much larger reparations to all countries involved. How many Russians died? 22 million? Make it 1 million per person, Germany should have been paying 22 Trillion to Russia alone. What happened to the victims and their families after WWII is a disgrace. |
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first of all we can not blame whole community just because of few rotten apples. And i think some of them hate religion because they think different religion are the reason of this extremism and radicalization presence in the world, which is true at all. Some people who are not following religion properly are extremist because no religion of world preach extremism.
What does the Bible or Quran say you should do with the gay people? Religious people are the victims. The worldview presented in the scriptures is what is wrong with religions. Not 'few rotten apples' as you put it. People are born into their religions and become indoctrinated as children. What happens after that depends on who they associate with. Religions poison your mind. All religions are equally evil. The issue is not with 'few rotten apples', the issue is with 'rotten scriptures'. Religious apologetics always try to shift the blame on people, away from the scriptures, but the fact is that the scriptures are the root cause of all the problems created by religions. Not the people who were indoctrinated into the religions of their parents. its the laws to live, if we live without rules we are savages. Holy religious books do not stops you from any beneficial thing or action it only stops you from what is wrong and harmful for humanity. Is killing gays wrong or not, in your opinion? no i think its right. Where are your morals? You don't think murdering people is wrong? What the fuck is wrong with you? Are you mentally sick? . Why the hell you people are blaming religions for all the mess Are you brain damaged? Religious laws tell people to murder people for no apparent reason. That is not freedom of speech. That is hate speech. Religious laws incite violence. And what about the diseases spreading from this homosexuality thing can you justify that as well. What about AIDS, many people die every year due to this disease and you think homosexuality is right and i consider it as a murder of innocent people from this gay community. You are savages living lives without any clear rules and instructions just living it. What about rape, alcohol, child abuse, murder, terrorism and other many bad deeds from which religions stops human beings.Religion does not stop those things. If anything, it encourages it and/or supports it. BTW, you can get HIV on your next visit to the dentist. HIV is spread through the exchange of bodily fluids, you ignoramus. You are a barbarian. Do you think you stand on the higher moral ground with your 6th-century wisdom? You are ignoring centuries of scientific and technological progress we have made as a human race. You are locked in a time capsule. yes you are right hiv spreads from fluid or serum but you are not pointing out the root cause from where it started. And what you are saying that religions does not stops but encourages it, how can you even say that when you don’t even know about religions. And what you are talking about science and 21 century so religions made laws to live many centuries ago and science is following it. I feel pity for your thinking. Do you want the root cause? Here it is: https://www.theaidsinstitute.org/education/aids-101/where-did-hiv-come-0I hope you will not teach your ignorance to your children. Hopefully, you will no children to teach your 6th-century wisdom. ehteist just want to eliminate religion from world which will never happen Wrong again. We want to expose the stupid, barbaric ideas religions profess. Religions will eliminate themselves. Bad ideas will be replaced with better ideas. That is how progress is made in pretty much anything. On equal political footing, religions would not stand a chance against secular, scientific thought. than you should search for the origin of science where started from and scientists who were involved were not secular nor etheist. The ones that were, were burned at the stake, hung from a tree, crucified or had their heads chopped off. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_BrunoHere is a quote from Galileo for you to ponder on: "The Bible shows the way to go to heaven, not the way the heavens go."Newton believed in the "God of the Gaps", just like some scientists today. Religion fills an emotional need. It reassures believers that things will be ok, that some father figure is always there to help them. This is self-delusion, but it does offer some psychological help to some people. People like yourself. If your religion stops you from killing people, you should strongly believe in your God and abide by the laws in the corresponding scriptures. than what about Einstein and Thomas Edison what about many other scientists You can not blame religions for every thing happening in this world. You think religion is impeding progress and I think it’s the inequality which is spreading hate. Why do you care what famous scientists thought or said? Are you looking for validation? Are you believing in Spinoza's God? For every scientist who believed (or believes) in God (in some shape, or form), I can find you 10 that don't. If I were you, I would worry more about becoming an Islamist. You want to kill gays, so you are half way there. Your scripture can lead you into a slippery slope, 'kill gays' -> Islamist -> Jihadist -> Terrorist |
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first of all we can not blame whole community just because of few rotten apples. And i think some of them hate religion because they think different religion are the reason of this extremism and radicalization presence in the world, which is true at all. Some people who are not following religion properly are extremist because no religion of world preach extremism.
What does the Bible or Quran say you should do with the gay people? Religious people are the victims. The worldview presented in the scriptures is what is wrong with religions. Not 'few rotten apples' as you put it. People are born into their religions and become indoctrinated as children. What happens after that depends on who they associate with. Religions poison your mind. All religions are equally evil. The issue is not with 'few rotten apples', the issue is with 'rotten scriptures'. Religious apologetics always try to shift the blame on people, away from the scriptures, but the fact is that the scriptures are the root cause of all the problems created by religions. Not the people who were indoctrinated into the religions of their parents. its the laws to live, if we live without rules we are savages. Holy religious books do not stops you from any beneficial thing or action it only stops you from what is wrong and harmful for humanity. Is killing gays wrong or not, in your opinion? no i think its right. Where are your morals? You don't think murdering people is wrong? What the fuck is wrong with you? Are you mentally sick? . Why the hell you people are blaming religions for all the mess Are you brain damaged? Religious laws tell people to murder people for no apparent reason. That is not freedom of speech. That is hate speech. Religious laws incite violence. And what about the diseases spreading from this homosexuality thing can you justify that as well. What about AIDS, many people die every year due to this disease and you think homosexuality is right and i consider it as a murder of innocent people from this gay community. You are savages living lives without any clear rules and instructions just living it. What about rape, alcohol, child abuse, murder, terrorism and other many bad deeds from which religions stops human beings.Religion does not stop those things. If anything, it encourages it and/or supports it. BTW, you can get HIV on your next visit to the dentist. HIV is spread through the exchange of bodily fluids, you ignoramus. You are a barbarian. Do you think you stand on the higher moral ground with your 6th-century wisdom? You are ignoring centuries of scientific and technological progress we have made as a human race. You are locked in a time capsule. yes you are right hiv spreads from fluid or serum but you are not pointing out the root cause from where it started. And what you are saying that religions does not stops but encourages it, how can you even say that when you don’t even know about religions. And what you are talking about science and 21 century so religions made laws to live many centuries ago and science is following it. I feel pity for your thinking. Do you want the root cause? Here it is: https://www.theaidsinstitute.org/education/aids-101/where-did-hiv-come-0I hope you will not teach your ignorance to your children. Hopefully, you will no children to teach your 6th-century wisdom. ehteist just want to eliminate religion from world which will never happen Wrong again. We want to expose the stupid, barbaric ideas religions profess. Religions will eliminate themselves. Bad ideas will be replaced with better ideas. That is how progress is made in pretty much anything. On equal political footing, religions would not stand a chance against secular, scientific thought. than you should search for the origin of science where started from and scientists who were involved were not secular nor etheist. The ones that were, were burned at the stake, hung from a tree, crucified or had their heads chopped off. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_BrunoHere is a quote from Galileo for you to ponder on: "The Bible shows the way to go to heaven, not the way the heavens go."Newton believed in the "God of the Gaps", just like some scientists today. Religion fills an emotional need. It reassures believers that things will be ok, that some father figure is always there to help them. This is self-delusion, but it does offer some psychological help to some people. People like yourself. If your religion stops you from killing people, you should strongly believe in your God and abide by the laws in the corresponding scriptures. |
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Religions were against science all the way. They still are today.
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Point is religions are regressive, they impede the technological progress.
That is the proper way to look at it.
Also a twisted perspective it’s wrong but highlighting why it’s wrong is more complex then your earlier simpler errors. You have incorrectly assigned all historic progress to your preferred worldview. As I said before you simply don’t understand the long term drivers of progress or the necessary conditions for science to develop and thrive over time. I touched on the necessity for morality and coordination in my earlier post: Religion and Progress. However perhaps some other thinkers would help you understand this better. Bruce Charlton is a scientist and academic professor. He discusses the ever growing corruption of the sciences and the fundamental reasons for it here: https://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2018/09/my-experience-of-trying-to-reform.html?m=1He also discusses how and why science succeeds and the difference between science and theology here: http://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2011/06/what-is-difference-between-science-and.html?m=1Finally John C. Wright an author and former atheist does an excellent job highlighting the relationship between Christianity and scientific progress over time here: http://www.scifiwright.com/2012/04/science-romance-and-the-scientific-romance-of-christendom/Ultimately it’s your choice incorporate the data available to you into a rational and coherent worldview or discard data that does not fit your preconceived construction of the world and live in error. Good Luck Not really. Christians/Muslims are against science education. They constantly want to push their 'Christian science' into classrooms. They are adamantly against the teaching of evolution, geology or anything that would directly invalidate their scriptures. As a result, religious people on average are less educated than non-religious people. There is a direct link between education and technological progress and between education and reproduction rates. The only exception is the Jews. I suspect it is their 'cultural survival' mantra that is being thought to every Jewish kid and drives them to excel in academics and everything else that they touch is responsible for their success. Religious ideas are put aside to fulfill the more important goal of survival as a nation and beat everyone else in the process. The myth of being the 'chosen people' also helps to instill confidence and helps them think that they need to lead everyone else since they are the 'chosen people', etc. It is all bullshit of course, but this psychological gimmick works and works well. These cultural differences overtime produced a group of people with significantly higher average IQ than any other group. Which 'confirms' to Jews that they are in fact the 'chosen people'. Sometimes even God needs little help. LOLJews are more flexible when it comes to their religion's dogma. They 'translate' the 'God's teachings' to make sense of it in the modern world. On the other end of the spectrum are the Muslims, who for no fault of their own live in the 6th century. The bottom line is that science and secularism will speed up technological progress. The less religious you are the faster you'll get there. The more religious you are the more you'll be stuck in the past, the Bronze Age or the 6th century. Your pick. |
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first of all we can not blame whole community just because of few rotten apples. And i think some of them hate religion because they think different religion are the reason of this extremism and radicalization presence in the world, which is true at all. Some people who are not following religion properly are extremist because no religion of world preach extremism.
What does the Bible or Quran say you should do with the gay people? Religious people are the victims. The worldview presented in the scriptures is what is wrong with religions. Not 'few rotten apples' as you put it. People are born into their religions and become indoctrinated as children. What happens after that depends on who they associate with. Religions poison your mind. All religions are equally evil. The issue is not with 'few rotten apples', the issue is with 'rotten scriptures'. Religious apologetics always try to shift the blame on people, away from the scriptures, but the fact is that the scriptures are the root cause of all the problems created by religions. Not the people who were indoctrinated into the religions of their parents. its the laws to live, if we live without rules we are savages. Holy religious books do not stops you from any beneficial thing or action it only stops you from what is wrong and harmful for humanity. Is killing gays wrong or not, in your opinion? no i think its right. Where are your morals? You don't think murdering people is wrong? What the fuck is wrong with you? Are you mentally sick? . Why the hell you people are blaming religions for all the mess Are you brain damaged? Religious laws tell people to murder people for no apparent reason. That is not freedom of speech. That is hate speech. Religious laws incite violence. And what about the diseases spreading from this homosexuality thing can you justify that as well. What about AIDS, many people die every year due to this disease and you think homosexuality is right and i consider it as a murder of innocent people from this gay community. You are savages living lives without any clear rules and instructions just living it. What about rape, alcohol, child abuse, murder, terrorism and other many bad deeds from which religions stops human beings.Religion does not stop those things. If anything, it encourages it and/or supports it. BTW, you can get HIV on your next visit to the dentist. HIV is spread through the exchange of bodily fluids, you ignoramus. You are a barbarian. Do you think you stand on the higher moral ground with your 6th-century wisdom? You are ignoring centuries of scientific and technological progress we have made as a human race. You are locked in a time capsule. yes you are right hiv spreads from fluid or serum but you are not pointing out the root cause from where it started. And what you are saying that religions does not stops but encourages it, how can you even say that when you don’t even know about religions. And what you are talking about science and 21 century so religions made laws to live many centuries ago and science is following it. I feel pity for your thinking. Do you want the root cause? Here it is: https://www.theaidsinstitute.org/education/aids-101/where-did-hiv-come-0I hope you will not teach your ignorance to your children. Hopefully, you will no children to teach your 6th-century wisdom. ehteist just want to eliminate religion from world which will never happen Wrong again. We want to expose the stupid, barbaric ideas religions profess. Religions will eliminate themselves. Bad ideas will be replaced with better ideas. That is how progress is made in pretty much anything. On equal political footing, religions would not stand a chance against secular, scientific thought. |
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What was the life expectancy in the US 100 years ago? 50 years ago? 25 years ago?
Was the US more Christian 100, 50 or 25 years ago?
The proper way to analyze this is to isolate the effect of religion independently of technological progress. At each interval of history one should compare the life expectancy of Christians compared to non Christians. If you do that you find that Christians live longer. This is true today. Religious people live four YEARS longer than those who don’t believe in God, study revealshttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/science/religious-people-live-four-years-12704829.ampIt also appears to likely have been true as far back as early Roman times when Christian charity led to increased life expectancy social power and eventual cultural victory over the Pagans. The Christian Conquest of Pagan Romehttps://www.crosswalk.com/blogs/michael-craven/the-christian-conquest-of-pagan-rome-11640691.htmlWho is against stem cell research? You know, the technology that can save and extend lives.
Most if not all of current stem cell therapy is a scam. It’s an utterly unproven cash pay business that thrives on the vulnerable and desperate. Much of what little research there is has been shown to be fraudulent a example of the corruption of science in our time. Stem Cell Research—Shattered After Fabrication Scandalhttps://www.tctmd.com/news/stem-cell-research-shattered-after-fabrication-scandal-needs-rebuild-says-ehj-editorThat said Christians are generally opposed to embryonic stem cell research as those lines were derived from aborted fetal tissue. Christians by and large don’t believe it is moral to experiment with the remains of killed human life.
Healthy, stress-free life, with lots of social life, is not the domain of Christians or religious people. I would argue that being religious adds more stress to your life as you have to worry about what your God will think, every second of your life, you have to constantly think: "Would I make it into heaven or would I end up in hell?" Atheists do not have this issue.
When you know you have one life to live, you take care of your body, your mind, your relationship with others because you know after you die there is no second chance. You, on the other hand, think that afterlife is what matters, this life is only temporary, 120 years at most vs the eternity. So rape here or there, abuse of your wife or your body, kill few men here or there is all ok, as long as you accept Jesus as your savior before you die, LOL
You have this very very wrong. Every major study on the issue shows a health advantage for the observant religious. Here are a few I highlighted in the Health and Religion thread. In U.S., Very Religious Have Higher Wellbeing Across All Faithshttp://www.gallup.com/poll/152732/religious-higher-wellbeing-across-faiths.aspxMarried Couples Who Attend Church Services Together Are Less Likely to Divorcehttp://www.christianpost.com/news/married-couples-who-attend-church-services-together-are-less-likely-to-divorce-study-171853/Religious upbringing may be protective factor for health, well-being in early adulthoodhttps://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2018/09/17/raising-kids-with-religion-or-spirituality-may-protect-their-mental-health-study/#68c6ba2c3287
Now, who has a more healthy outlook on our life on this planet?
Easy Christians do. Next question.
PS. What is the global population growth rate? Should it be increasing at 4 or 5% as is the case in communities of most orthodox religions?
Global population growth rate is somewhere around 1%. It peaked long ago and is declining towards zero no outside intervention required.  The religious communities won’t grow at 4 to 5% forever. It’s just the process of the unhealthy segments of society being replaced by healthier variants. Overall the growth trajectory of the society at large is unlikely to change. PPS. On average, are Christian or Atheists more educated? Who do you think would make a better manager, better policymaker, better scientist, better engineer, better doctor?
Atheists are for the moment more formally educated on average. As for who would make a better manager, better policymaker, better scientist, better engineer, or better doctor. I would have go with the educated Christian or Jew. Best of both worlds. I recommend putting some more work into understanding these issues af_newbie. I don’t have the time or inclination to continue tutoring like this. You need to rectify your own deficiencies. Without science and secular thought, there would be no technological progress. Religions were against science all the way. They still are today. You better hope the world does not turn into one big Sharia Law country, then you will see what technological progress you'll get. Point is religions are regressive, they impede the technological progress. That is the proper way to look at it. |
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first of all we can not blame whole community just because of few rotten apples. And i think some of them hate religion because they think different religion are the reason of this extremism and radicalization presence in the world, which is true at all. Some people who are not following religion properly are extremist because no religion of world preach extremism.
What does the Bible or Quran say you should do with the gay people? Religious people are the victims. The worldview presented in the scriptures is what is wrong with religions. Not 'few rotten apples' as you put it. People are born into their religions and become indoctrinated as children. What happens after that depends on who they associate with. Religions poison your mind. All religions are equally evil. The issue is not with 'few rotten apples', the issue is with 'rotten scriptures'. Religious apologetics always try to shift the blame on people, away from the scriptures, but the fact is that the scriptures are the root cause of all the problems created by religions. Not the people who were indoctrinated into the religions of their parents. its the laws to live, if we live without rules we are savages. Holy religious books do not stops you from any beneficial thing or action it only stops you from what is wrong and harmful for humanity. Is killing gays wrong or not, in your opinion? no i think its right. Where are your morals? You don't think murdering people is wrong? What the fuck is wrong with you? Are you mentally sick? . Why the hell you people are blaming religions for all the mess Are you brain damaged? Religious laws tell people to murder people for no apparent reason. That is not freedom of speech. That is hate speech. Religious laws incite violence. And what about the diseases spreading from this homosexuality thing can you justify that as well. What about AIDS, many people die every year due to this disease and you think homosexuality is right and i consider it as a murder of innocent people from this gay community. You are savages living lives without any clear rules and instructions just living it. What about rape, alcohol, child abuse, murder, terrorism and other many bad deeds from which religions stops human beings.Religion does not stop those things. If anything, it encourages it and/or supports it. BTW, you can get HIV on your next visit to the dentist. HIV is spread through the exchange of bodily fluids, you ignoramus. You are a barbarian. Do you think you stand on the higher moral ground with your 6th-century wisdom? You are ignoring centuries of scientific and technological progress we have made as a human race. You are locked in a time capsule. yes you are right hiv spreads from fluid or serum but you are not pointing out the root cause from where it started. And what you are saying that religions does not stops but encourages it, how can you even say that when you don’t even know about religions. And what you are talking about science and 21 century so religions made laws to live many centuries ago and science is following it. I feel pity for your thinking. Do you want the root cause? Here it is: https://www.theaidsinstitute.org/education/aids-101/where-did-hiv-come-0I hope you will not teach your ignorance to your children. Hopefully, you will no children to teach your 6th-century wisdom. |
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