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1161  Economy / Economics / Re: Europe have one big problem the euro currency on: July 29, 2023, 01:56:50 PM
European countries use the Euro directly, but countries outside of Europe do not use the Euro as much as the US dollar. The popularity of the US dollar is due to the fact that the US dollar is the global currency so far. Since you brought up the topic of buying a car, I am telling you that suppose you went to buy a car in a certain country, in that case, you have to pay for the car in the local currency of that country or in US dollars. If you want to pay in euros while buying that car, then never accept Euros for your payment. If the euro is a global currency like the US dollar, you can use the euro anywhere. Another thing you may have noticed is the benefit of a global currency when one's assets are calculated in US dollars.
I am not entirely sure about that, but even if that's the case Europe already has a lot of rich nations within it and that means they are going to end up keep using it for sure. That's why I feel like it is not going to be that much of a big deal, it is going to end up being a bit difficult but will be better in the end. They are also used in some other nations as well, maybe not as much as dollar, but they are still used and that means they are going to get a good return.

The only funny thing I find about euro is that they have 500 euro bill, the average wages around Europe is about 3 thousand euro in good nations, and much less in other nations, so they have a system where even in the richest nations it is just 6 bills for your entire salary Cheesy.
1162  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: P2P trading on binance/wm.exchanger payeer, advcash, perfect money on: July 29, 2023, 01:19:14 PM
If you are also asking for the limits in binance p2p, $1k won't give you any trouble as others have said earlier, it is not much of a big money.
And found out that UAH is in binance p2p  - https://p2p.binance.com/en/trade/all-payments/USDT?fiat=UAH.
One way to do it is deposit money to binance and trade it with USDT or whatever trading pair is available to what you deposited.
You may need to do a 2-stage conversion of your money before you can avail the p2p services.
And so far, I haven't encountered any problem as I regularly use the p2p services of binance. They won't freeze your funds if you are not violating any of their AML/KYC protocols even if you reach $1k, which again, is not so big.
As long as you are giving them your credentials honestly, it won't give a red flag in your account.
I still rather avoid p2p trading though, there is no reason to do that. I am fine using binance to enter the market, there are other third party places that helps it as well. So, it is from my fiat in bank to crypto in binance and then crypto in finance into fiat in my bank. That's how I do it and I believe that it could be the perfect system, shouldn't really be anything different.

I believe that we can't really make more or change anything, that is why I believe that we can make it work. I know that it is going to matter a lot if we care or not, because if we care then we are going to trade very well on anywhere and we would be making a profit and it could be great. I know that it is not going to be simple though, hence we need patience and hard work.
1163  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: For newbies and plebs who want to self-study to become "traders" on: July 28, 2023, 06:31:45 PM
There is nothing I hate seeing like those thumbnails on Youtube videos, sometimes I think those guys that give predictions and guides about trading contribute to why newbies lost money into crypto because instead of them to be teaching the important aspect of trading, they will be busy saying things that will give them goosebumps and make their adrenaline grow over their head and when they rush and start trading without any basic knowledge and get burn, they start crying like babies.

There is another funny thing these trading guides traders do, they don't in reality trade any shit, they only hold coins and freak out the public with trade settings and hype; the Halving is on the way, just watch how they come back to hype people once again about trading guide and when they make their gain, they vamous and come back the next time there is another hype in the market.
I sort of understand it. Not the part where they do not teach the real things, but understand the part where they make it grand and make it sound like something major at the same time. Why do I understand it? Because, it is a medium, and you need to get attention and in order to get attention you need to make sure that you are doing fine.

If you are doing fine then you are going to be making some serious profit from it as well. I understand that it is not going to be easy, and I can see why it is getting to be something a bit more troublesome over course of time, because in the end they are not helpful. But if they keep what they have, and add in some stuff about how they come up with those things, it could be something good.
1164  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Trading as a newbie - advice? on: July 28, 2023, 04:49:40 PM
Reading books and watching online tutorials, well, they are enough already to learn but it was much better to have a mentor that guides you for a few days in trading. If we have a friend who already has an experience in trading, we approach them and gain ideas. Because we can't be good enough in trading just having all of those stuff but having an experience would give us more learning and ideas. Generally, we usually got caught up in applying it in live trading, we usually fail because of our emotions.
Those three combined would be enough for anyone to be a great trader. Obviously there will always be a lot of people who are not going to do them properly. There will be people who either do not read about it, or watch about it, or not go into it with a mentor but instead read what an influencer wrote and just buy that and think that that's mentorship, it's not.

Those influencers get paid to share stuff, which means that they do not care if that token goes up or not, they take their money mostly in BNB, so they do not even accept the token they are suggesting you to buy. Hence, in the end we are talking about a situation where you are not going to end up profiting if you do not study. Or we also have type of people who study, but very short, like just a week or so, and think they are ready.
1165  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Newbies can't profit from crypto without knowing how to trade. Truth or Myth? on: July 28, 2023, 01:19:09 PM
I disagree.

You need knowledge on what you're going to do before you actually to do it, to have a better result, just imagine investing in Bitcoin but you didn't know what is a Bitcoin address and where to buy it, or what wallet you should use, when is the right time to buy and sell, etc.

Without those knowledge, you'll end up losing your funds because of commiting mistakes, and you don't want that. Even if it is trading or holding, you need some knowledge for you to maximize the profits you can make in the long run.
I agree with you. I think you should be capable of learning somethings and if you learn it well then you should also gain experience after that as well. I know that not many people see it that way and because there were few newbies who got rich, maybe richer than some veterans, during the bull run because they hit the jackpot and got the right token and made some money.

But they wouldn't be able to do it again, it was pure luck and sometimes that happens and that's understandable. In general though, we are not going to see those people making those type of changes, they are not going to end up with a lot of profit and we should probably see them have different approach for sure. That's why they should learn more about it.
1166  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto EGG Meme Run to $1 on: July 28, 2023, 11:08:41 AM
Bad promotion, you won't get buyers if you do it here and only post it with unclear capital. Moreover, you don't do any analysis about the memecoin. and you say no promotion and just look. post anywhere about the coin including promotions. Expect it to be $1. See how $DOGE is struggling to get to $1.
He has indeed been promoting obscure meme coins, even though he said see what happens I'm not so sure from his words, especially with $1 the price will go up? It's a joke.

He is also comparing too much between PEPE and EGG profits, it will not be the same.
Well, we at least see how much of a failure this project will be based on their shitty promotion. That should be a good reason to avoid it, and the sad thing is that they did something without knowing what they did, to promote it and instead of promote it, they made some people never consider buying it.

I would not even remotely consider if I would invest into this or not. I would stay away from it as much as I possibly could. That is why I would highly suggest others to not be any different, just avoid it at all costs. There is really no need for anything more than the fact that their promotion was this topic, that's it, that's only thing you need and you should not be worried about missing anything, it just sucks.
1167  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How to deal with shitcoiners without being harsh about reality. on: July 28, 2023, 09:53:29 AM
Can we have more confidence though? lets be constructive about this dillema. Shitcoiners succeed in pushing people to buy their shit, there is no reason we cannot do a better job with a legitimate currency.
I understand your dilemma here. You are a good guy and want to lead your friends in the best investment possible.

In my case, my friends do listen when I tell them it's not a good investment. Simple, because they know that I know better than them being in the cryptocurrency industry for a long time.
Maybe, the best you could do is set yourself up to have a hierarchy of knowledge in cryptocurrencies. Once they see that then they will doubt buying just anything in the market. Better, they might seek you out for advice.

I don't like having arguments with people who already closed their minds in listening to others especially those who are buying meme coins and supporting them with all of their life. Most of the time, I just ignore them and let them get rekt and that's when I wait for them to come back.
I feel like that's not the point though. I mean shitcoiners promote their shit and get mocked for it and they end up with a shame when it crashes or rug pulls. Sure they do bring in more money that way, and they make profit that way if they get out at the right time, but that doesn't mean that we are going to see it succeed anytime soon.

This is why it's a lot smarter if you could end up with a better result. It would be smart if people realized that it's going to make a big difference and should consider maybe we are doing the right thing already. Do not force people to get any decent coin, they should be able to do it themselves, and if they end up investing into a shitcoin that's their own issue and not ours, they will find the right path eventually.
1168  Economy / Economics / Re: Pool strategy of investment for wealth multiplication. on: July 28, 2023, 09:28:20 AM
Just throwing this out there:  business and family/friends generally don't mix.  And OP, what you've described is not exactly a revolutionary new idea.  There are many examples of family members pooling their wealth to invest in whatever ventures they're into.  The Winklevoss twins come to mind immediately in the context of crypto.
The fact for me is that 98% of people shouldn't start any business with either their family or friends. We know how emotional and illogical humans can be and also because they could find it very hard to separate personal relationships from business decisions leading to  problems, conflicts and complications.

This is  not always the issue though as you have mentioned the Winklevoss twins which in my estimation falls in the 2% sector of people shows that it can work if handled properly.

Before a person fathoms starting a business with family or friends, they must sit down  and clearly define the roles, the  compensation, equity, and boundaries in a contractual manner. Once this can be achieve we are certain any conflicts that may arise in the future would have been nipped in the bud. I would also add that they should be able consider the unbiased advice and of seasoned professionals in the industry when it comes to making critical decisions about the business.
Yeah, true. I would never go into business withy any money that my family members have, it just doesn't make sense. Even strangers are better because I can talk reason with them, but when you are dealing with family members it becomes an issue.

My spouse has some family money stored away, we have never touched it even on our worst day, literally when it was health reasons and we needed to pay medical bills we never touched it, because we knew that if we did, then our parents would have kept reminding that and would cause a lot of drama in the house,  so we took debt and got loans and maxed our credit card and did alright, instead of doing anything that would hurt us in the end, this was much better choice.
1169  Economy / Economics / Re: Agriculture can save your country from recession on: July 28, 2023, 05:58:31 AM
You are now talking not about support from the state, but about full-fledged influence on agribusiness.
On the one hand, I agree with you - in countries where there is a real problem of growing and providing the local population with food, state regulation and partial management, this is a necessary measure.
I also consider as an acceptable option - closer interaction with private agricultural companies, in crisis situations, when a private business has force majeure circumstances caused by external factors (war, natural disasters, terrorist attacks, ...), and these agricultural companies cannot "survive" on their own ".
In all other cases, the influence of the state, as a rule, negatively affects business (and we are talking about private agribusiness).
I always keep saying that government should be the buyer for a good amount of money, then government can sell it for either lower or higher depending on the season, but they should always be the buyer. Wouldn't that work? No need to regulate or partially manage, no need to keep interrupting.

Just let them do whatever they want with a set price government would get, if they can find a buyer for higher then they can sell it for that person, but at least farmers would know what the worst case situation and they can work according to that. If they fail, then they fail and that means something, but that doesn't mean that we are not going to end up with anything different, it is going to be pretty much basically the same situation.
1170  Economy / Economics / Re: The whales stirred. What should we expect? on: July 27, 2023, 09:46:41 AM
If we carefully read the information about the movement of assets on the whales' wallets, we will realize that these are not just moves, but moves specifically on the MARKETS. People transfer assets to exchanges for what? Right - to sell or buy for one asset, another asset. Therefore, I, with high probability and assume 2 options - sale and exit to fiat (perhaps something know) or a global change of the "leader of the crypto world", other options explaining the transfer of huge amounts of bitcoins and assume I can not assume. In this case, the option "they just transferred" - I do not consider, because it is absolutely allogical.
I agree that most of the time that could be the reason, there are few niche reasons like people just changing wallets, which they may do via an exchange because they do not want to be followed, and that makes sense fully, but I understand why people would think that it would be to do a move on the market.

However, nowadays there aren't really that much wild volatility that is going around enough to make selling or even buying make sense just yet. I understand when the market is moving hectically it could lead whales make moves, but when its this silent and just stagnating at one price, I do not think that whales have any reason to make big moves. They might, but it is not changing anything right now as we can see.
1171  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A neighbor next door on: July 27, 2023, 07:19:31 AM
I think the answer to op's question depends a lot on the circumstances and personal beliefs.
Do you think that dealing drugs is a crime (not from a legal standpoint, but from a moral standpoint)? What kind of drugs or does it not matter to you? Another question is whether this person wants to abandon the current activity for something Bitcoin-related or not.
To me, it matters what kind of drugs the person's dealing, whether this person is engaged in other, more violent forms of crime, and it's a big plus if this person is seeking to escape the drug-dealing industry.
I wouldn't help a violent person, or someone who deals heroin and something of similar very strong and very negative impact. I also wouldn't help a person who deals drugs to minors. But if it's something lighter that adults get for themselves, and the person is alright (not aggressive), I wouldn't hold it against him.
All that aside, I wouldn't give anyone financial advice, I can merely help to learn more about the currency, wallets, basic security, and stress the risk of investing. Also, I wouldn't normally dedicate my time to someone I'm not friends with, unless it's something like paid private lessons.
I do not teach people how to handle bitcoin even if they are not drug dealers so it is not anymore of a moral question but about more like saving myself from headache. That solves the issue pretty quickly, he could have been a doctor saving lives and I would still not teach them how to get bitcoin, that's not my job nor my place.

We live in an online world now, go to google and type in "how can I buy bitcoin in X nation" wherever they are, if that doesn't solve your question neither can I. Why would I have to deal with other people, why do I have to teach them, what's in it for me? I rather not do that at all and let them be. This way you do not have to ask yourself if he is doing a good thing or a bad thing, because it becomes irrelevant.
1172  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Lost bitcoins on: July 27, 2023, 06:22:23 AM
We can always remind ourselves and others about the precautions and steps to make sure that holdings are secure to prevent loss, though I'm sure that there will always be mistakes and irresponsibility (both are human nature after all) and therefore Bitcoin will always receive involuntary donations.
I agree with that, I do not think that they donated to make sure that the supply drops and the value would go up. I think they just involuntarily did that by making a mistake. I have done that before, there is some money out there somewhere in the world that I used to own. I am fine with it and at peace because it was about 10 dollars back then, and probably somewhere close to 3k today, and will probably be more later on.

However, I had the chance to get more of it when I can and decided not to, so it is going to be a different situation. In the end we are talking about a situation where it is going to be difficult and we need to learn to live with it and can't really make a big difference in the end when the time comes.
1173  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin whale 'awakens' after 10 years. on: July 26, 2023, 06:11:01 PM
We will never know the intention of a whale that comes back alive after a decade or even two. And this is becoming a typical thing when a whale comes back alive with tons of Bitcoins that have been sleeping for so many years. It just so happens that there are these monitoring bots and software that do track these old Bitcoin addresses that contain a lot of Bitcoins and anything that make them move, it's out of our business but it becomes news after all for many of these media and people that do track them. But if you're going to think of it, this isn't a real matter to think about whenever people are normally moving the Bitcoins that they've held for a long time. They're just like us despite we're not a whale.
The intention is that most of them have plenty of wallets and not just one, and they use the other ones and keep a few just for saving as well, and that means they are going to end up making that active when they move it around.

Plus, even though the security of bitcoin is great, it is smarter to end up changing the wallet here and there time to time because that way nobody could hack into your system, otherwise your wallet could be hacked into one way or another, specially ones that move away from legacy address to segwit address makes even more sense to me. This is why I believe that it is not always to sell, sure sometimes it could be for selling but there are many other reasons then selling and that could be the reason.
1174  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How can a person buy a hardware wallet where crypto is ban? on: July 26, 2023, 05:20:53 PM
Why would they penalise you if it’s strictly legalised? Is it legalise or is it banned? They both are way way different mate. Anyhow you should check up with your customs whether hardware like this can be imported or not? It’s just that it falls under electronics category and not a crypto itself. If not then just generate a paper wallet from the VPN and get yourself a safe cold storage for very long period of time or until the time they open crypto channels for you guys. It happens to seem no problem at all. If you get Bitcoin address then you are good to go for receiving the funds. You may not be able to send them since for that you will need to install software wallet or access some exchangers that are banned. But consider this as your cold storage may be.
I am guessing that he meant that it is not legalized at all, he may not speak fluent English, one sentence after that he asks how he could get hardware wallet into a nation that made bitcoin illegal. If I read it right, its about living in a nation that made bitcoin illegal and he wants hardware wallet.

I would suggest not doing it, because it doesn't really mean that it is going to work in the end and if you really must, wait until you visit another nation one day and get one there and bring it back, it usually looks like just a usb stick anyway, so it won't get any alarms. I think you can still order it, and maybe there won't be any issues anyway, not like most people know what hardware wallet companies are out there anyway.
1175  Economy / Speculation / Re: Indonesia National Exchange Open in the end of July 2023, Is bullish Start? on: July 26, 2023, 01:06:45 PM
Maybe Indonesia will become a starter country that supports cryptocurrencies including bitcoin, so that other developing countries start to adopt bitcoin too. There will be many hurdles for sure, but the Indonesian government's decision to launch their own local exchange is a bold and willing one to accept crypto as a valuable digital asset. Even though it is centralized and requires KYC, it is everyone's choice. There are facilities provided by the government to trade legally so that it does not violate the rules that have been set.
I do agree with you maybe it can pave the way for other countries that crypto is not that bad and in the other hand you know that Government like Tax so much hehehhe if this exchange open there will be another income for government.

Im still likes gov like this rather than banning anything related to crypto.
I do agree that tax could be one of the biggest reasons for this. After all if you have a national exchange, you can literally cut the tax right out of the account in the exchange without needing any extra paperwork. That would mean that anyone who uses this, is forced to pay taxes by just simply using it. That's why it looks like it would make sense, for the government of course not for the traders.

In the end, I am guessing that it is going to be a bit of a different situation, like such as people trying to find other alternative ways to get bitcoin, because when government does stuff like this, there are majority who uses it, but there is a minority that wants to find another way without getting caught and pay that taxes and give information.
1176  Economy / Speculation / Re: Should I buy now or I should still wait for the dip? on: July 26, 2023, 09:50:30 AM
Good time to buy is when price hasn't crossed the old ATH, and that's when we have money, because even if the price falls further but if we don't have money, there is nothing we can do. One more thing, there is no guarantee that the halving is approaching that the market will rise without falling and conversely, bitcoin is always unpredictable. Therefore, before investing must always draw up a plan and follow the plan, we will not be confused and panic.
I agree to this. When you buy around these prices that means we are going to eventually be over the ATH price again and that means you are going to more than double your money as well, that's an important thing and everyone should consider it as an important part of your investment. I know that not a lot of people see it that way but that's how it should be done.

Unfortunately too many people see it at the low price and think that they should stay away from it but they are making a mistake. Seeing the price low doesn't mean that it should not be bought but more like it is going to end up with something that is going to change things. That way you could buy at the low dip price and you are going to end up profiting.
1177  Economy / Speculation / Re: The price of a Bitcoin could cost millions of dollars: Standard Chartered on: July 26, 2023, 08:08:46 AM
I'm quite doubtful that Bitcoin will reach its new highest price next year before going through the halving because if you look at the four-year cycle it takes some time after the halving then after that the Bitcoin price reach the newest ath, but if it can reach its highest price in 2024 then it is very likely that the price will be even higher in 2025, and the price of $ 120,000 is a prediction of the price that Bitcoin will reach in 2021 but it turns out that it only touches half of the predicted price, so predicting the price of bitcoin is easy but many things will affect whether it can be reached later or not, but Bitcoin lovers will always believe that the performance of this coin will always be impressive for the holders, and not so fixated with the predictions of the experts.
I agree that it will not reach the highest end before the halving, I believe that it is going to reach there after a while and that should not be that much shocking to most people neither. It is going to be something to care about and we are going to end up with a better return, we just need to make sure that it is not doing all that differently.

It is going to be something to worry about and change but that's just who we are at this point and halving is what we wait for. After halving, things are going to be a lot different and we are going to see it go higher and higher and higher. That's how it has always been like and people are making it happen the same way again because they are so used to buying after the halving.
1178  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Investors Confidence in Bitcoin💪 on: July 26, 2023, 06:04:01 AM
A true Bitcoin investor, does not give up Bitcoin just because of the words of others. Because they know about the success of Bitcoin. And they know that a long-term investment in Bitcoin will never disappoint them. Because long-term investment in Bitcoin guarantees extra profits. This greatly increases the confidence level of a Bitcoin investor. And they never want to give up Bitcoin.
Of course, and that's what we love about bitcoin, it might be very hard to see the price going down in a bear market, but once the bull run arrives, we are going to be happy as we can see our portfolio growing and maybe many of us here will become millionaires in 2024-2025.

But the hard part is that how we accumulate, it is during the bear market when the price goes on a spiral. And so we need to take advantage of that kind of down turn and don't be afraid of it. Instead we should take it as a opportunity to save and accumulate more bitcoin and then wait for the next bull run to occur.
That is the thing that makes this a lot better and entertaining as well. I think as long as we trust the bull run and what the price will be in the future, we shouldn't really be worried about the future at all. We can see it go up in the future and that's the only hope we have during bear market periods as well. I have held my coin all through the 2022 terrible period without selling any of it.

I believe that we are going to do fine and I think it is going to be very important for us all in the end as well. This is of course depending on the situation and I believe that if anything unexpected happens that require our attention and money, we may end up selling it, but that's understandable, that's why we invest anyway.
1179  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin - The road to a SIX DIGIT price valuation on: July 26, 2023, 04:44:40 AM
If more people see BlackRock the same way you do and have the same level of optimism, maybe it has some addon effects I can't yet foresee nor understand. For me, at the very least, they'd need to be buying actual coin a la MicroStrategy for it to make sense to me, but still -- I can concede that at worst, it can't be bad news.

Half a mill, still too rich for me, but happy to eat my hat if that happens. Might even eat two hats.
I feel like it's all about getting more attention, it could be via getting actual coins, it can be like this, it doesn't matter as long as bitcoin name is on the papers and in the news. If we can get more attention that means even the action itself may not increase the price, but the news of the action could end up causing others to join in and increase the price. That is the aim, and I believe that as long as billionaire people and companies enter the market that means that we are going to get richer.

Microstrategy is a great example, they did something and if they are example to any other company eventually that means it's a bigger impact than the money they got in with, their money caused other money to get in, and that's what matters.
1180  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How to deal with shitcoiners without being harsh about reality. on: July 25, 2023, 02:50:54 PM
I do not, let them learn the harsh reality themselves without us teaching them anything and if they are smart enough they will learn about it on the first try, if not then they are going to end up with a problem that will not be easy to solve and they will keep on losing until they learn. This isn't my job to teach them what to do, it is not going to end up with a good result for anyone and I think it is going to be very important to make a difference.

It is going to be something to care about, but what I do not fully understand is that if you are doing so many mistakes, then I need to get them and talk to them and make them understand the issue, I shouldn't be the one to care and I know people dislike that notion but it's the truth.
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