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2941  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: 0.3.22 testnet solo mining broken from 0.3.21 on: June 13, 2011, 11:21:39 PM
This is a known issue for 0.3.22 on Windows. Use either 0.3.21 or the 0.3.23 release candidate.
2942  Other / Meta / Re: This board is not for Meta (Forum Policy) discussion. on: June 13, 2011, 10:21:26 PM
Now... wanna fix this up to be a policy request and move it to Meta? I'm sure it's fun to watch two mods fight, but this really doesn't belong here.
2943  Other / Meta / Re: This board is not for Meta (Forum Policy) discussion. on: June 13, 2011, 10:10:24 PM
Uhh... Yeah it is. In fact, it's for discussing anything. Remember that the newbies can't post in Meta...
That needs to be changed. Give the newbies Meta access. We cannot allow the complainers to interfere with newbies who just want to discuss Bitcoin. Those individuals should be our number one priority.
Then move this over to Meta so we can give them Meta access before you make a sticky about it.
No, it is in the best interest of the discussion to maintain a pure environment on this board. I will continue to lock and move meta threads regardless.

Besides, we have the meta discussion (Newbie Restrictions) thread to faciliate such discussions at the moment. Complaints should not be a high priority. This is a private forum on a private server. The owner's interests should be served first and I believe their interest entails a relevant discussion. Not worthless mining about the existence of the forum itself.
Merge threads about the newbie restrictions there, but any other forum threads should be left alone unless they qualify to be moved or we give the newbies Meta access.
I don't think you see the big picture here. This forum is supposed to be a warm welcome for people interested in Bitcoin. Those threads -- they completely work against the objective. To serve them, to cater to such threads is utterly inane.

Anyways, yes, we WILL give the newbies access. It's not optional.
Not catering to those threads goes against the whole project.
No, the project is about Bitcoin software and the currency. Not about the board it is discussed on.
And the discussion of those things need to be open, as well as the discussion about how the discussion ISN'T open.
There's a difference between open and a conversation that's absolutely hindered to the point to where Bitcoin isn't even discussed. The forum is merely a tool for the collaboration that is required to build Bitcoin.

We are open. There's nothing not open about having a facilitated conversation. This tool needs to be used appropriately. Not as a bullhorn for those who want to scream into it. We aren't capitol hill or a protest convention. Again, we are a tool that is used to build Bitcoin. Meta discussion in this board doesn't build Bitcoin or its forum.
And I agree with you. However, it's premature to implement this policy until the newbies have access to the Meta board. To block newbies from discussing the forum altogether is a disservice to everything we are trying to accomplish.
2944  Other / Meta / Re: This board is not for Meta (Forum Policy) discussion. on: June 13, 2011, 09:59:13 PM
Uhh... Yeah it is. In fact, it's for discussing anything. Remember that the newbies can't post in Meta...
That needs to be changed. Give the newbies Meta access. We cannot allow the complainers to interfere with newbies who just want to discuss Bitcoin. Those individuals should be our number one priority.
Then move this over to Meta so we can give them Meta access before you make a sticky about it.
No, it is in the best interest of the discussion to maintain a pure environment on this board. I will continue to lock and move meta threads regardless.

Besides, we have the meta discussion (Newbie Restrictions) thread to faciliate such discussions at the moment. Complaints should not be a high priority. This is a private forum on a private server. The owner's interests should be served first and I believe their interest entails a relevant discussion. Not worthless mining about the existence of the forum itself.
Merge threads about the newbie restrictions there, but any other forum threads should be left alone unless they qualify to be moved or we give the newbies Meta access.
I don't think you see the big picture here. This forum is supposed to be a warm welcome for people interested in Bitcoin. Those threads -- they completely work against the objective. To serve them, to cater to such threads is utterly inane.

Anyways, yes, we WILL give the newbies access. It's not optional.
Not catering to those threads goes against the whole project.
No, the project is about Bitcoin software and the currency. Not about the board it is discussed on.
And the discussion of those things need to be open, as well as the discussion about how the discussion ISN'T open.
2945  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Whitelist Requests (Want out of here?) on: June 13, 2011, 09:55:48 PM
Add me in the whitelist, please. I'm not a spammer.

P.S. Such a registration system is ridiculous. Why not complicate the captcha, or not to use pre-moderation of messages from new users? %)
For the thousandth time, this has nothing to do with spam. It's because the regular members were tired of seeing the same threads every single day. For their sake and yours, we made this forum.
2946  Other / Meta / Re: This board is not for Meta (Forum Policy) discussion. on: June 13, 2011, 09:53:03 PM
Uhh... Yeah it is. In fact, it's for discussing anything. Remember that the newbies can't post in Meta...
That needs to be changed. Give the newbies Meta access. We cannot allow the complainers to interfere with newbies who just want to discuss Bitcoin. Those individuals should be our number one priority.
Then move this over to Meta so we can give them Meta access before you make a sticky about it.
No, it is in the best interest of the discussion to maintain a pure environment on this board. I will continue to lock and move meta threads regardless.

Besides, we have the meta discussion (Newbie Restrictions) thread to faciliate such discussions at the moment. Complaints should not be a high priority. This is a private forum on a private server. The owner's interests should be served first and I believe their interest entails a relevant discussion. Not worthless mining about the existence of the forum itself.
Merge threads about the newbie restrictions there, but any other forum threads should be left alone unless they qualify to be moved or we give the newbies Meta access.
I don't think you see the big picture here. This forum is supposed to be a warm welcome for people interested in Bitcoin. Those threads -- they completely work against the objective. To serve them, to cater to such threads is utterly inane.

Anyways, yes, we WILL give the newbies access. It's not optional.
Not catering to those threads goes against the whole project.
2947  Other / Meta / Re: This board is not for Meta (Forum Policy) discussion. on: June 13, 2011, 09:44:56 PM
Uhh... Yeah it is. In fact, it's for discussing anything. Remember that the newbies can't post in Meta...
That needs to be changed. Give the newbies Meta access. We cannot allow the complainers to interfere with newbies who just want to discuss Bitcoin. Those individuals should be our number one priority.
Then move this over to Meta so we can give them Meta access before you make a sticky about it.
No, it is in the best interest of the discussion to maintain a pure environment on this board. I will continue to lock and move meta threads regardless.

Besides, we have the meta discussion (Newbie Restrictions) thread to faciliate such discussions at the moment. Complaints should not be a high priority. This is a private forum on a private server. The owner's interests should be served first and I believe their interest entails a relevant discussion. Not worthless mining about the existence of the forum itself.
Merge threads about the newbie restrictions there, but any other forum threads should be left alone unless they qualify to be moved or we give the newbies Meta access.
2948  Other / Meta / Re: This board is not for Meta (Forum Policy) discussion. on: June 13, 2011, 09:38:02 PM
Uhh... Yeah it is. In fact, it's for discussing anything. Remember that the newbies can't post in Meta...
That needs to be changed. Give the newbies Meta access. We cannot allow the complainers to interfere with newbies who just want to discuss Bitcoin. Those individuals should be our number one priority.
Then move this over to Meta so we can give them Meta access before you make a sticky about it.
2949  Other / Meta / Re: This board is not for Meta (Forum Policy) discussion. on: June 13, 2011, 09:31:45 PM
Uhh... Yeah it is. In fact, it's for discussing anything. Remember that the newbies can't post in Meta...
2950  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Can't connect to bitcoin.cz pool on: June 13, 2011, 08:48:56 PM
I can't connect any longer and I can't send Slush a PM as I'm a NooB and can only post here.

Is there any other way to contact Slush?
You can PM him now that you have at least one post.
2951  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: deepbit payment/transaction is not "known" on: June 13, 2011, 08:31:22 PM
It's a known issue. Keep discussion of this issue to this thread:
http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=16402.0
2952  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: We need a better exchange experience for people new to bitcoins on: June 13, 2011, 08:14:03 PM
The reversible charge may well be a problem. But is this much different from paying for 'real' goods with a credit card? Surely the same thing applies there doesn't it?
There's a reason most real goods have at least a 100% markup.
2953  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Do I need to leave my Bitcoin wallet client running? on: June 13, 2011, 08:03:54 PM
If I request a payout from my pool and my wallet is not running, will I be able to receive the transaction when I do start Bitcoin?
Yes, once you catch up to the blockchain after you start the client, the transactions will appear.

BTW, what is it doing while it's running? I notice the blocks keep increasing.
It's receiving and relaying the blocks that have been received.
2954  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Newbie restrictions on: June 13, 2011, 08:00:31 PM
This is my 5th posts. My four other posts were done earlier when there was no restriction yet.

What do I do once I have 5 posts and 4 hours? I'm a promoted automagically or do I need to PM an mod?
Yes, it's automatic. It may take up to an hour, though.
2955  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Received some coins from deepbit however still 0/unconfirmed after 100 blocks! on: June 13, 2011, 07:50:38 PM
It looks like other people have reported this issue, so [Tycho] will likely look into it soon.
2956  Other / Meta / Re: Moderation Team on: June 13, 2011, 06:09:20 AM
Was it wrong? Absolutely. But, come on... It was his first day as a mod.

It is an issue of judgement- not skill. One is likely to improve, the other is not. He undermines the credibility of the moderation team. Is it really in your best interest, or the interest of the forum to defend him and allow him to remain in a position he has already grossly- and repeatedly abused?
I don't really understand... You've already won this battle. Removing Atlas from being a mod would mean that we'd just have to go though this again with someone else. There's a reason why when someone does something bad at a company, they send them to be retrained instead of firing them. Please, just give Atlas another chance.

Just so you know, I'm only replying to you for your sake. I will not continue justifying Atlas' actions to you. If you decide to continue arguing about this, you'll just be ignored.
2957  Other / Meta / Re: Staff: I would like to make a suggestion. on: June 13, 2011, 05:31:51 AM
Although I like the idea of seamless moderation but I believe allowing threads to be left locked in the open will give users a sense of what is acceptable and what is not. It's what I've been doing in the newbie forum thus far and I think it can produce better long-term results.

You have no evidence for this theory,  your results have been demonstrably damaging to the dialog and even the other moderators are frustrated with your actions. The less you do prior to your departure at this point the better.
You're just saying that out of anger for Atlas. If you really mean what you're saying, that means that you would have approved of him deleting your thread instead of what happened. It was a mistake, that's all. Give him a break.
2958  Other / Meta / Re: Moderation Team on: June 13, 2011, 05:28:50 AM
I'm sure Atlas is sorry, since he seems like a nice guy.

Locking a highly relevant thread, then burying it to the point it is now unrecoverable, then demanding a reason over PM why he should fix it (even though he could not) is all inconsistent with the role of moderator.
Was it wrong? Absolutely. But, come on... It was his first day as a mod.

I'm sure he also assumed that the merge was reversible, which is why he thought he could fix it.
2959  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Do you think this will be healthy for your community? on: June 13, 2011, 05:05:49 AM
The sticky should ease your mind:
http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=15958.0
2960  Other / Meta / Re: Moderation Team on: June 13, 2011, 04:58:46 AM
In our defense, we weren't really given any direction other than the post asking for mods. I'm sure Atlas is sorry, since he seems like a nice guy.
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