well he does live in a commune and thinks that laws do't apply to him for him to do what he wants without knowing the implications.. his utopian town/island for instance. so although he isn't shouting "we are all in the matrix, nothing is real" he is close

im just waiting for the sudden request for donations.

so far this week finshaggy has asked for $10k per person to make a bitcoin town, which within 24 hours turns out he now wants a bitcoin island.

he also accepts money for a cancer charity. which in actual fact is a weed farm offering types of weed extract that can cure cancer

next is a world tour. followed by making asics..

wow
the even more funny part. just one month ago he didnt even know what mining was


with all of these projects trying to talk people into giving him money he has certainly managed to rake up 1800 posts in under a month..

oh i almost forgot.. he wanted to make a jersey shore type of TV show but based on people that know and use bitcoin..
i hope finshaggys project he proposes tomorrow is as a comedian.. because he has given many people many laughs. he might aswell get paid for one project he is atleast 10% good at.

if i couldnt buy bitcoin using fiat directly.

i would buy food or other daily essentials people need using my fiat and swap it for bitcoin localbitcoin style. maybe even set up a shop if i needed a regular supply of bitcoin

EG if i was to normally invest $£2000 a month into bitcoin. i would buy £$2000 worth of baked beans, meat, veg etc and sell them for bitcoin.

after all that is satoshi's initial dream.. it only came later that the fiat exchange centralisation of mtgox delayed the main purpose of bitcoin.

now people think of it as more of a gold stock instead of a tool for bartar.

maybe pressure needs to be put onto them.. after all

before now, bitcoin started up as zit faced inexperienced 'teentrepeuners' thinking the law didnt apply to them and they were kings of the world. atleast now we should start seeing experienced and well invested people doing a proper job, instead of trusting millions of dollars/coins in some 17yo kid that cries "i been hacked" purely to run off with the cash.

having people who invest their own money to get licences, are much more likely to stick with the project and secure it. and make sure it succeeds to get profit out of their investment.

we do NOT need any more teenagers buying a domain name for $10 and saying they can be trusted with millions of other peoples money.

you tell me honestly who would you trust more to look after your funds when you deposit in the morning and before you withdraw at night.... a well invested businessman with a team of employee's or some kid that just bought a domain name and done a bit of glossy looking coding

how much money am i talking about.. well obviously 2%of the cost of just 1 exchange trying to cover every state of USA.. im not american, but lets say it cost Xmiillion for all of the licences to cover USA then a 50th (2%) is the average franchise price to get the licence for your state and be part of the same fiat network, where by you can then legally set up for instance
Texas bitcoin exchange if you live in texas
or
new york bitcoin exchange if you live in new york.
and then anyone from any state can interchange their bitcoins or fiat from one exchange to the other depending on what is the best price.

its just something a company like bitstamp or coinlab should/could think about.. to spread out its costs and increase its number of customer service support team, advertising campaigns locally, setting up more local other services.

they can even use each of the state offices as depots. much like amazon have transport depots where people can instead of using US postal services for legitimate products (non-silk road produce preferably) it can be used as a parcel depot for bitcoin businesses.

thus reducing the requirements of merchants needing to convert bitcoin into dollars purely to pay for postage.

there are many opportunities attached to it.
employees in each state office get paid in bitcoins. truck drivers moving between offices as part of the bitcoin postal service are paid in btcoin.
then the local state offices can each concentrate on getting brick and mortar fiat suppliers, manufacturers and retailers to take on bitcoin..

EG finding a local grocery store to accept bitcoin. and bam!! instandly offer food delivery fr bitcoin of all your baked beans bed meat and veg you want.
or the bitcoinstore able to have its own distribution network (using the franchises depots) around the US and not have to rely on amazons delivery network

the idea may seem like a stretch of the imagination. but i was just showing you a few stepping stones how one small idea can move onto more idea's and truely and legally kickstart bitcoins main-steaming

why bad?

its the governments shutting down places that exchange FIAt without FIAT licences.

so now there are less online stores accepting dollar because
1. paypal is scam country
2. paypal has blocked 60 countries from doing online shopping
3. many other places people use to store their fiat to us on fiat accepting webshops, cant buy stuff.

so what needs to be done is go to all of these webstores that accepted liberty reserve and paypal before they got dropped. and tell them to accept bitcoin direct and they will never lose funds/ have funds frozen.

then we might someday have proper legit and regulated fiat/bitcoin exchanges to ensure these websites can cash out.

european's seem to be safer due to cheap licences. so how do americans get cheap licences.

create a main exchange and franchise out 50 parts of their business to each state, where each state has a customer service point and even a cash in the mail address/physical office in that state and each of those franchises get a cut of profits from the exchange.

that way its 50 investors as oppose to just 1 investor trying to get regulated. and it will work because as a franchise/subsidiary/agent of the main company. the main company is covered.

the worse part. is finding 50 people willing to put in enough for one licence.. but then again it shouldn't be hard with the amount of people on these forums saying they all want to set up a US exchange to replace the ones that have disappeared. imagine it instead of 50 people independently buying 50 licences just for them, they share the licence fee's between them and get to open state based exchanges

it will take 2 years of buying land, digging holes to connect sewerage, utilities, then building the houses before anyone can even move in...

so out of the 200 supposed residents that pay $2mill total upfront just for the land. how many are going to be the construction crew, architects that will get paid to build them.

i hope your starting to see the dream of possibilities needs stepping stones of reality to reach them.. so stop floating off into the clouds of dreams and start on the ground..

EDIt: now you have video 12... saying that menial jobs are not needed, or no one needs to do real jobs.. mechanics and repairmen will be the biggest jobs.. lol

200 residents.. and majority will be in the robotics industry.. seriously write down on a piece of paper how many judges you need in the town, police, firemen, nurses, doctors, teachers, gardeners, mechanics, shop owners, construction workers, architects, now tell me how many houses you have left in your town..........

your dream is no where close to reality..

i know it just gets you the land...

emphasis on UPFRONT meaning expect more money to be begged out of people later on

lol i know what you mean. finshaggy's posts in the other thread are hilarious.. one minute its a town, then a commune, then an island, then a seastead/boat. all for the utopian dream of $10,000 upfront lol lol

he no desires for a bitcoin only community, just like blueseed. they just want a drug allowed/ immigration free zone. but have no money themselves to fund it. so are leeching out their arms to every community they can, making promises that it will be a bitcoin project, as long as they get the cash.

i bet finshaggy is now on those penny per click advertising websites, trying to seek out wealthy advertisers to buy into his commune.. where eventually his library filled with books from a community full of story/novel writers, can then suddenly make brochures and banners/graphic design stuff..

oh wait.. he did actually say that.

a bitcoin commune/ a writers commune/an advertising publishers commune.. whats next.. oops i forgot .. back in video 1 a weed freezone.

with all these different industries, i have no clue where the doctors, nurses, teachers, laywers, architects, construction crew, farmers police, fire rescue, vets, will live, becasue a commune can only hold soo much....

i think its best to invest in the new hampshire state project.. atleast they are not asking for millions of dollars for just 200 beds,

ok heres the last 9 pages in short.

48 hours ago you bought yourself some weed on silk road, and wondering about growing your own batch to sell.. so you start searching the forum for seeds.

you came across blue seed which is nothing to do with the plant. but instead about some guys for the last few years asking for money to start a off shore office and lving facilities for people that cant afford mainland visa's, not realising that they too want a mainly FIAT project but are willing to support bitcoin if they get enough investment.. and now your brain starts to hallucinate some brainfarts of how you can make money.

you do a small bit of wikipedia searches to try and make your brain fart sound a bit more plausible and now these last 12 hours you have been on an endless campaign to try convincing people that they can live a utopian lifestyle for just $10k upfront..

now heres my story.
im rich, i got money, i like idea's that have merits. i like idea's that have plans. i invest in these idea's. i do not like brainfarts of guys that show no proof of production, no final plan, because their plan keeps changing, no grasp of laws, politics or infrastructure needed for its success.

and i really hate that they can even attempt to put a price tag on it mystically out of thin air.

so give up trying to convince yourself that your idea is a success. stand back from the computer. take a breath of fresh air and put pen to paper to develop it into a working plan..

please for the 3rd time research new hampshire project before you even attempt to think about starting a town, learn what is involved before designing libraries and schools, housing and courthouses.

new hampshire have all of the "building infrastructure" yet they are not a free state or even a free town, after X number of years.

so dont put pricetags and timescales on things you dont understand.

i am not saying to give up, im saying it you want it to work to DO THE DAMN RESEARCH

you are on a bitcon forum............................

your not on a weed forum............................

so i think your posting on the wrong site if your not concentrating on a town for bitcoiners... seems to me your utopian dream belongs on a stoners website..

which explains why you mention about stoners wont get arrested but people with financial crimes (no victims) will get arrested,

your utopian cream.. oops i meant dream... no actually lets stick with cream.. that white gooey stuff that you get excited over.

having an 11yo sister smoking weed is acceptable. but having $200 credit card bill is not acceptable, therefore arrestable. purely because the guy moved over to bitcoin and forgot to cancel his card so the credit company carried on charging him monthly fee's..

way to go cult leader.. ooops mayor.. your really winning votes

but for 2 years im a bitcoin only zone. people will still be building houses ad growing the food.. so there will be no used sunflower oil or alcohol produced. and by the third year to then buy a bus.. its time to move to the island...

i know you sound like you have passion for an idea. but dont even try quoting a price of investment of an idea out of a 24hour brainfart you have..

lol so now you want to say your townsfolk are writiers.. ok so lets say we have 50 aspiring writers .. 50 people that like farming/gardening. a few mechanics, a few lawyers, teachers, but wait.. wheres the builders and construction, architects going to live...

hang on 98% of bitcoin community are all programmers and entrepeuners. so where are all the office workers, shop owners and everyone else going to go.

take a break from the keyboard and webcam.. soer up.. and settle on an idea.. your brain is wondering in 5 different directions which is making your investment idea not even worth bookmarking for later reference

please ignore finshaggy. he has done less research on laws and stuff then blueseed.

if anything id invest more towards blueseed instead of finshaggy. but overall i will be investing in new hampshire as they are spot on with their developments.

dont hand over cash to these guys. if anything just make a pledge of future funding once they start breaking ground... but dont be funding an IDEA which has no reality..

but if u do like comedy and utopian idea's of a stoner who's mind wonders and plans change within the same 3 minute video. finshaggys videos are worth watch.. some funny facepalm moments to be seen and heard.

so when you were arrested at 14 two years prior makes you 12yo. and your sister was younger then you. makeing her 11 or younger when she got arrested...

wow im certainly going to elect you as mayor of the town..

unemployed, not having $2m to buy the land yourself, not having legal, political, building, economical expertise.. hmm wow yep more reason why you deserve to be mayor..

now lets add on the many more great reasons you deserve to head up this project. your utopian views

your video 6

about "your" cops not cutting down on weed use..
that is only your utopian view until someone starts dealing tainted drugs that kills people. then they will be forced to try getting these tainted batches off the streets.

your video 7
lol as stated before.. you have not researched everything but to hell with it you got the final product all imagined out with a jersey shore documentary happening 24/7

video 8
bio diesel see more examples of you utopian idea of the final design without knowing the infrustructure.. you never said where your going to get bio diesel from. oh wait..  it appears from magic dust..

video 9
preserve humanity and the world with a few carrot seeds woo hoo .. facepalm if al the plants in the world have gone then it means a catastrophy has caused things not to be able to grow.. so now you have a vault of seeds that cannot grow because the environment has changed. EG try growing carrots during a nuclear winter.. goodluck waiting 5 years+ without foodgrowth till its safe to start growing.

video 10
library.. 25c per page... oh so now your accepting fiat... dang if only you said 0.0002btc you would have had me sold purely on the ability to photocopy something at the library. .. but wait now its not a library becasue with a population of 200 you might have 2 'writers' so maybe 4 books a year.. so now its going to be a community center/school. wow in 5 minutes a library is now a community centre. how about skip the library idea and just go for the community centre that includes books....

video 11
so within 3 years of people handing over their 10k you suddenly want to move to an island.. how about research blueseed or sea steading and start looking at the legal stuff they need to know before even starting up.. skip wasting 3 years in new mexico..

it seems you want millions of dollars to half build a town, dump it then move to an island and start again... so why are you even bothering with new mexico ?? as it will take more then 3 years to get a town even up and running as a working community with sanitation, utilities and buildings and schools and shops.. let alone getting the legal stuff covered and lobbying for certain freedoms in the town..
EG year 1 break ground get sewerage, electrics, water, gas. and start making housing.
year 2 people move in and start their little farms on the land that is left.
year three ............................................

oh wait lets all move to an island
Edit: just looked at finshaggys video history, seems he just got into bitcoin in february, still doesnt realise the whole bitcoin economy even now. and is just looking for ways to grab bitcoin from naive people that get bought into his dream, because he cant afford to buy bitcoin on his favourite site silk road..

he only came up with the ideal of new mexico within the last couple days at most, done 12 hours of research to attempt to make himself sound credible and now today he is trying to sell the bitcoin island idea..

goodluck with your dreams.. one day you will wake up..

knowing enough law that a 14yo first time offender for having weed wont be in prisoned for a decade .. does not make you a law expert for building a town. EG knowing employment/tax/ laws. laws about extradition etc.

stick to your stoner law loopholes and think they will protect you.. ignore the rest of the law book, and live in your delusion you are in a sanctuary.

wel lets hope you dont need 6 months just for land.. as your 12 hours of legal research, town infrustructure, economical requirements has not paid off..

so if it does take 6 months just to find land.. ill come back in 20 years, and see how your legal, economical and infrastructure research is doing. meanwhile new hampshire is atleast more then just a poor mans beg for cash and actually has thousands of smart and well educated people in different expertise that actually have some kind of clue what needs to be done.

and lastly. i know you have not even picked the land yet but i know your warped dream has already invented a flag for the town to separate yourself from government rule.(you seem like that kind of person)

so Mr.Cult leader please describe to me the flag.

usually hairbrained idea's start at the end result what the town will be like with pretty tree's along the street and their own flags flying from the townhall, so i know you have already had an idea of a 'cult' flag design pass by your mind before even thinking about land/infrustructure costs.

admit it. your just after the cash, like many other cult/commune leaders are.

guys please realise finshaggy has no intention to start a town.. he has just spend like 12 hours reading a couple wiki articles to think up a way to convince people to hand over a total of $2mill.

he thinks it only takes $2mill ($10k from 200 people) to make it happen.

buying land costs many thousands, building 2 hundred homes costs more then $2million then the electric, water, gas, telephone/internet utilities cost many hundreds of thousands.
EG it will cost $2mill just to get a solar/windfarm to power the 200 population. let alone the land and build costs of housing

then theres the business premises such as local restaurants bars, and shops for the 200 people to work in to create a society costs more..

then the roads to link the houses to the shops. thats another few milion.

then when it comes to police force. training the guys etc etc.. it cannot be bought up for $2million.

the guy has not a single clue. he lives in a commune, i just learnt this fact even though just from his first post i knew he was not employed to actually know much about employment, laws, infrustructure, etc.

his idea is he grabs $2mill and then tells people to come on his land and build their own community, build their own houses as it it now their own land.. while he runs off to the Caribbean.

thats how cults and communes begin. hand over your worldly possessions to the leader and they will ask you to build your own house and grow your own food.

meanwhile the leader wears gold and drives lavish cars

i agree a idea of the new hampshire free state project with communities of workers in different disciplines is the way forward for bitcoin main-streaming.. bit finshaggys township idea.......... hell no

all of your promises for the price of $10,000 per person.. lol nice sales pitch, shame the research lacks.
i personally have funds that could have bought up the land you require all by myself. but your lack of knowledge proves to me you are not worthy of investment.

i can tell just by the words you use, you simply read 3 paragraphs from wikipedia and think you know everything needed to get the town financially, legally and socially settled.

you are missing out soooooooooooooooooooooo much..

check out the BETTER resource material that the new hampshire project is doing.

this is just a silly beg for $10,000 for x people for a silly idea that will not work. especially with this guy heading it up. by the way
so suddenly you now have lawyers, a courthouse, etc. dang..



so not filing social security documents is what you consider sanctuary.

atleast open a newspaper! i plead to you.
there are people that dont hand over social security numbers in every town and in every country. research illegal immigrants. yet they get caught all the time.
there are even times where someone is actually protected by non-extradition laws of different countries that still get extradited. *cough* wikileaks *cough*

.. now ill wait for the reply that suddenly an embassy, a courthouse, a state governor, are also covered by this $10,000 per person plan.... wait for it.. wait for it....... here comes more fud trying to convince people to hand over funds to him

so you wish to employe an ignorant town sheriff that will ignore certain laws and have magic powers to stop state police from entering the town...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZsLLFROucc 2 minutes 40 seconds

........"they wouldnt extradite you"......................... seriously dont research creating a town using wiki.. wiki has been wrote by individuals not experts.