lol is this insurance thread still trrying to promote its money making scheme with promises to protect you but having so many clauses to protect itself that it never has to pay out.

everyone with half a brain knows that the cost of 'contents' insurance for homes is not worth the paper it is printed on. most smart people know that a $20 lock on the door is better insurance to protect their $500 TV then an insurance premium of $10 a month would ever be.. and here is why

chances of your house being broken into is less 1 chance in 5 years. so the $10 premium is not a cost saving compared to just buying a new TV.

if you did infact get a theif in your home, the insurance company will do 3 things.
1. charge you an excess fee which reduces the potential payout of $500 for a TV to be maybe $450.
2. use smart sells pitch words such as "valuation figures" "wear and tear value" "age of equipment" to imply that the Tv is worth alot less now due to age and they will maybe take another $100 off of the bill.
3. they will ask questions such as what security your house has, if none they will not pay because you have not done any preventative tasks to avoid the theft. and if you do have their recommended security to meet all the clauses the cost of the security would outweigh the $350 they would have finally offered.

its the same with banks. the whole financial compensation schemes if banks go bankrupt, which is an insurance policy. but tell me honestly, with all the legality that these financial insurance companies have. how many individual hard workers have actually had a proper reimbursment for losses, which did NOT involve getting the the money back from the theif (chargeback)

securing your home/bitcoin is cheaper and more of a guarantee of loss prevention compared to having an insurance policy.

i was having this very discussion myself with my bank manager this week. Banks love their fiat, and its not a impossibility that they wont take on bitcoin in the future, much like they offer services for foreign exchange. but right now their business is sticking to the legal tenders of their own country and of partnering countries.

everyone says the bank notes are just as tainted with drug residue as the bitcoin is. but right now legal tender is a product owned by government and licensed to be used by its citizens, with a 99.9% usage from retail and employment legally and a small percentage actually used in crimes.

bitcoin has not reached an acceptable mainstreaming level to counter out the silk road taint.

i know some one will reply with their youtube researched *cough* facts *cough* that bank notes have a much higher drug residue taint then 0.1%. but those facts have to be put into perspective.

EG a university full of students experimenting with drugs will always be shaking hands, sharing meals etc making the pool of cash flow in a university campus have alot higher residue count compared to bank notes found in the purses of soccer moms that have husbands that work on wall street that get money straight from an ATM and spend it at high end retailers.

so take the university residue results into perspective.

banks see bitcoin as a higher legal risk still. my bank manager loves bitcoin and loves the fact that i offer it to customers because i have been honest about taking customer details and knowing roughly the intended destination of the bitcoin, based on the business model and advertising i do, which grabs customers from more of the tourist/mining/retail community instead of strangers on the darkweb. but until bitcoin becomes proper mainstream, used more publicly for every day items. banks wont see much benefit in offering it as a service, due to the risks

right now with 25bitcoin reward equalling $3000 (£2000) for 10 minutes work makes the transaction fee's not yet an essential thing, especially when the workers hardly ever see the fee as extra income. it is usually the pool owners that keep this as their incentive to continue managing the pools. (whilst the pool owners also take a cut of the workers income out of the reward aswell.)

i think that the fee's are too high right nowand not esential. too many people think the only way to make money in bitcoin is by mining it. yet in reality of the fiat world more profit is made by retailers selling products instead of mining gold for investments.

0.0005 fee is 4p(UK) 6c(US) which is kind of ridiculous when you go back and watch the original bitcoin videos on weusebitcoins stating virtually free money transfer.

in the UK banks have a service called "faster payment" which all UK banks customers can send money to each other for FREE near on instantly, so trying to convince anyone in the UK that bitcoin is better is a tough thing to sell.

i know shops like poundland (UK equivalent to the dollar store) would never take on bitcoin with a 6% network fee for a £$1 dollar item and then a 1% bitpay fee just to convert the bitcoin into fiat.

bitcoin is becoming too greedy to be used for every day items. buying a simple coffee at starbucks or a loaf of bread has now been priced out of bitcoin due to a atleast 6% mark-up.

transaction fee's should be added in i would say a decade, once the 10 minute income per block reward equals less then $3000 or a set amount.

using some maths of for example BTCGuild
20000 workers right now have 35% of the network. meaning they roughly get 2out of 6 block rewards an hour. this equates each worker getting over $0.3 an hour.
and going by the averages of a few blocks. the transaction fee's add up to roughly $25 per block so that makes btcguild owner keeps $50 per hour for its pplns workers pool.

alot of people will argue that miners are getting ripped off for doing all this hard work and blah blah blah. but $3 an hour is alot more then the electrical costs for just having a pc turned on. which as i say above is taking away all of the possibilities of retailer adoption of bitcoin.

at the expense of the greed of mining pools and miners. mainstreaming is not happening. all because of the transaction fee's.

a better business model is for instance.. just taking the worker numbers of btcGuild as an example of a third of the mining population.
instead of having 20,000 workers shooting themselves in the foot mining for profit causing the difficulty to rise. have just 5,000 miners and then 15,000 workers be entrepreneurs opening retail businesses to make profit per hour instead of mining. that is where bitcoin would survive. then you wil see mining be more profitable for the 5,000 miners due to less competition. and then transaction fee's can be removed to allow higher profit and mainstreaming abilities for entrepreneurs

rant over

yea that is amir taaki, the guy behind intersango before it went all wrong. and another guy that just writes a few editorials now and again for the bitcoin magazine.
amir seems to be more of the "occupy wallstreet/anonymous" clan of bitcoin users, as oppose to the mainstream regular folk

they try to act like they are to the same standard as gavin andressen. which i just facepalm at every quote of their expertise.

i think they are trying to live their whole life on bitcoin.. to me i just think they dont know how to budget and plan things to cover all the costs to live and function in a normal life. which explains why his exchange failed, due to lack of understanding of basic requirements to function in the world lol

atleast i personally can function in a fully rented and council taxed home, paying all the bills and what not via bitcoin. hopefully one day we all will be able to do this without resorting to squatting in vacant office buildings.

so the learning experience of this is. don't do a "amir" or ull end up not only having ur bank account closed for simply not having FSA licences. but also squatting.. learn the law, follow it. and realise bitcoin is only freedom when not used in combination with the pound coin.
if you handle the pound coin then expect the laws of the pound coin to handle you

search bitcoin100

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=52543.0

do not click the link. it is a hijacker.. instead check the posts of the person instead . he wrote a reply in the noob section that browser mining is useless.. but the post above it in the noob section has the link and the sentance "Let me know what you think!"

so it looks like the OP clicked the clink in noob section yesterday, fell for the trap and now its posting on his behalf..

i recommend getting all posts with that link deleted before we have 5 noobs clicking on it, causing 5 random posts which will multiply.

gotta admit cpu mining, browser mining and those mini miners the size of usb pen drives are out of date techniques..

it has to be high end GPU, FPGA, ASIC if you want to stand a chance of "making an income"

3 hours work for a penny, even the sweat shops in asia would refuse to work for that low price. so the only reason i would see anyone even bother advertising something like this is normally a dodgy trojan...

don't worry its just yet another guy proposing that you give him your coins and if you die he promises to give them to your next of kin.

where the reality is a standard Will and testiment and self-storing the coins in a location your next of kin can find would be the best solution.

after all once your dead you cant really track the guy down and slap him with a wet fish if he breaks the promise.

exactly.. kind of a paradox question.

what if true crypto currency wasn't invented until 2020.. but then research historians of the year 2020 revealed that a guy named satoshi invented it in 2009...

theres no reason to ask why, who. or when.... just be happy its here

no one realy cares that they cannot talk to alexander hamilton about why or how he came up with the idea of paper money. we just know he did. there is no reason to talk about what if alex hamilton didnt invent it but it was around before that.

just be happy about the reality we live in and don't exert your energy thinking about the what if's that cannot be changed after the fact.

the main point of that talk which is what we all should really take on board. is to stop comparing bitcoin to FIAt price. but a direct Bitcoin to product price.

maybe setting up a bread, milk and veg valuation/commodity pricing index would help

EG work out the amount of miners online and divide that by 3600 to get a daily income value per person (much like minimum wage). then use that number to know that is the equivalent of 50 loaves of bread or milk.

much like how governments use the "cost of living" value to work out a minimum wage.. but in reverse

the story is about banks restricting movement of FIAT. has nothing to do with restricting movement of bitcoin.

yet again bitcoin remains unaffected while governments try tightening the reigns on peoples abilities and choices involving how to spend fiat.

the OP seems to want a decentralised exchange, yet wants it to be a decentralised platform like mtgox....

seriously. if there is 1 single website used as the order book.. its then centralised.

how about set up regular meetups and have people do local face to face cash in hand exchanging. that way its not centralised for the masses, not reliant on bank transfers (causing banking regulation issues) the prices can vary dependant on local value as oppose to mass agreement on a single website (again centralised pricing).

i just think the OP is missing the point of what he/she really wants. the closest thing to a decentralised place where there is no central pot(account) of FIAT and there is still a order list of buys and sells. would be localbitcoins.com.

anything else would be cash in hand meet ups as a full decentralised peer-to-peer exchange or mtgox as a fully centralised exchange.

so where abouts in the spectrum between face-to face 1-on-1 exchange or mtgox fully centralised exchange does the OP envision his ideal plan bet put.

best decentralised exchange= ................... dramatic drum roll........... localbitcoins.com

you don't seem to know much about running a business..

you don't seem to know much about programming...

you don't seem to know much about regulations...

you don't seem to know much about costs..

do you really think that you are the right guy to be running a exchange? honestly??

the real house wives of Bitcoin miners..

a bunch of women complaining about electricity bills, heat production coming from their basement, and lack of seeing their husbands all day and night while they are playing the MTGox markets with their produced coins.

but if it is printed on one note.. then someone can just make 100,000 notes with that same code. disperse them out knowing only 1 out person will be lucky enough to redeem it and the other 99,999 would lose out..

even having the secret code under a hologram doesn't help much for circulation. because i can print 100,000 with holograms.. and underneath them all instead of a redeem code it simply says "ha ha suckers"

rebuttle:
1.paying $30 for 1000 game gold is not a better deal then paying $120 for 1 Bitcoin. atleast in a few months time your going to get more for your money. game gold is bought but cant really be transferred back into fiat. plus you cant use game gold to buy t-shirts, fast food, a LCD TV, etc etc etc. just because you are use to receiving many 'coins' ingame for less fiat doesn't make bitcoin expensive because your only getting 1. but then again $120 gets you 100,000,000 satoshi's.
2a. read a dictionary for the words ponzi, scam. read the bitcoin white paper and read the 4 years of bitcoin history then come back to me. dont make lazy assumptions.
2b. bitcoinstore.com, foodler.com.. enough said
3. localbitcoins, bitinstant, mining, plus much more that can be listed.. there are more access points per town/county/state for bitcoins then there are places to get foreign currency. Also to add i have bitcoins so if you ever want some, come to me. (meaning you the person having the conversation with the un-initiated)
4.the HIGH price keeps changing as that is what is known as the speculative price but the LOW, which is wholesale true value (minimum price people would sell at, is on a smooth rise.

5. no one is forcing you. enjoy your game, spending fiat instead of earning.
6. google bank ponzi, bank robberies, bank scams,... now compare result numbers to bitcoin.
7. you cant tell your credit card company if your cash transaction went worng either
8. so is offering someone a couple beers for helping fix your car or paint a housewall. but beer is not only used for tax evasion either.

with avalon taking 3 months from taking orders to final delivery, and bfl.. well you know.. i dont see a legit distributor that has to abide by legal sales laws and terms and conditions being able to offer anything like that any time soon.

not until manufacturers can build products and have them shipped within a 2 week time scale without excuses, will any legit distributor take on a bitcoin project.

and if they did i know for sure that they would have each machine running for a week for *cough* quality assurance *cough* purposes, to maximise revenue

most pools love fee's, not because it helps the miners but because the pool owners 'cut' is the fee and he then gives near on all of the 25btc to the workers.

i personally think mining pool owners should have their own miners working along side other miners for their 'cut' and then not be so greedy.

Fee's should not be something that is essential for transactions just yet. especially when they end up being more then a few penny's worth, instead people should be accepting the reward alone as their reward and only require fee's in a few years, when the rewards are super small.

and this is where its always best to talk to the regulators EG UK FSA and your bank manager, instead of avoiding them and waiting for the $h!t to hit the fan.

my bank manager has no problems with bitcoin at all, and they like seeing the money rolling through their accounts. as long as you stick to the rules and know the limits.

atleast half of these exchanges have the teenage mentality of "its my life i can do what i like" which leave their parents worrying what they are upto and ending up snooping on them just to figure out and ensure their kids dont get into trouble which would lead to problems for them also, leading to needless arguments and problems.

.. much the same as the bank manager/customer relationship.

so have a conversation, be polite, be open and honest and mature about things and you will realise the headaches and arguments need not happen... as much

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