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241  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Apakah Tokenisasi pada Bitcoin dapat mempresentatifkan Bitcoin asli ? on: September 30, 2020, 09:23:56 AM
Nah, dengan adanya teknologi Cross-Chain pengguna dapat berinteraksi dengan blockchain lainya yang berbeda teknologi dengan platform blockchain tungal contohnya pada blockchain ethereum.

5 Tahun dulu pernah ada coding cross-chain dimana memungkinkan kontrak Ethereum untuk memverifikasi transaksi Bitcoin dengan aman tanpa perantara: singkatnya pengguna dapat membayar dengan Bitcoin untuk menggunakan DAPP Ethereum. Namanya BTC Relay.

https://github.com/ethereum/btcrelay
http://btcrelay.org/

Pertanyaan disini adalah?
1. Apakah Token Bitcoin itu  mempresentatifkan Bitcoin asli ? jika iya, bagaimana itu menjadikan nilai atas suppli bitcoin ?
2. Bagaimana jika Kontrak pintar tersebut kerkena serangan hacker ?
3. Apa peran penting Tokenisasi Bitcoin terhadapa harga bitcoin?
1. Ya kira-kira sama seperti kalian menganggap USDT, dkk.
2. yo wes biarkan aja tuh kontrak kena hack.
3. tidak ada.
Bukankah DOT polkadot . . platform nya mereka itu memungkinkan transaksi cross-chain? saya kira memang sudah ada sejak lama namun baru solid dan launching akhir2 ini , founder nya pun mantan stakeholder ethereum kan ya? memang masalah tokenisasi ini agak kompliketid yaa , tapi secara ideologis nya sih hal tersebut diatas yg dipertanyakan mengenai keaslian bitcoin yaa sbnrnya tentu tidak , semuanya sudah berubah. bitcoin asli ya bitcoin yg skrg harganya 160jt dan supply nya 21jt dan tinggal terdisa sedikit utk di tambang, no debat titik.
242  Economy / Speculation / Re: $1 Billion in Bitcoin Options Expire Friday. on: September 30, 2020, 09:10:35 AM
it is always feels so hillarious everytime we take a look to an article or headline like this , sounds like something big may occured in front of our face because of certain event but it is all actually a bullshit , someone badly expecting market to move . remember when there is a lot CME future contracts expired few weeks ago ? or months i dont remember exactly , but nothing is happened. this could be the same situation.
243  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Perkembangan Perdagangan Bitcoin/Cryptocurrency sebagai aset komoditas on: June 28, 2020, 11:05:02 PM
Jadi saya kira Bappebti juga tidak sembarangan memberikan izin begitu saja pada exchange jika tidak memenuhi syarat-syarat.
...

Dan sejauh yang saya tahu untuk saat ini belum ada satupun perusahaan yang telah terdaftar sebagai pihak "Bursa Berjangka" dan "Lembaga Kliring Berjangka", mungkin bisa jadi karena persyaratannya yang agak susah dipenuhi atau memang konteks perdagangan crypto sebagai aset komoditas ini kurang menarik minat. (cmiiw)
Saya rasa kalo kurang peminat sih itu tidak mungkin karena dilihat dari perkembangan pengguna bitcoin di Indonesia juga sudah banyak sekali. Mungkin yang menjadi kesusahan crypto untuk masuk ke dalam bursa adalah keamanan yang masih belum terjamin bahkan pemerintah pun masih ragu-ragu dan belum 100% mendukung perkembangan dari crypto di Indonesia.
244  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Trading - pemula harus hati hati on: May 09, 2020, 03:26:01 PM
Pengalaman memang guru terbaik gan, ane waktu pertama kali trading di indodax, modal jutaan sisah setengah ane cut lose gk kuat hodl apalagi kebawa kompor, sekarang ane coba2 trading di binance dengan sinyal premium lumayan profit dikit2

Agan bilang pengalaman adalah guru terbaik, tetapi anehnya pada akhirnya agan malah berpatokan pada sinyal premium yang notabene adalah hasil analisa milik orang lain.  Roll Eyes

Apabila pada pengalaman sebelumnya agan mengalami loss dikarenakan faktor kebawa omongan orang lain, maka sinyal premium yang agan gunakan juga bisa memberikan efek tersebut. Trading berpatokan pada sinyal premium atau sinyal-sinyal trading lainnya memang bukan sesuatu yang salah, tetapi dalam penerapannya jangan dieksekusi mentah-mentah. Terlebih jika agan ingin mendapatkan ilmu trading yang lebih handal, maka ada baiknya agan terlebih dahulu melakukan analisa (mempelajari) terhadap apa yang ada di sinyal trading tersebut.
Saya juga rasanya ingin tertawa ketika mendengar bahwa pengalaman menjadi guru tetapi hasil akhirnya memakai sinyal premium. mungkin agan SanZoldyck mengambil pelajaran dari pengalaman dengan kesimpulan bahwa sinyal premium atau sering kita sebut prediksi dari orang lain lebih baik dari pengalaman kita belajar dari kehilangan selama trading alias tidak ada pelajaran dari pengalaman yang diambil dari cut lose yang dilakukan.
ngakak bos hahaha  Grin Grin Grin
245  Economy / Services / Re: [OPEN] WOLF.BET Signature Campaign - Hero/Legendary - Up to 0.008 BTC/week! on: May 02, 2020, 11:38:21 AM
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246  Economy / Services / Re: BestChange Bounty and Signature Campaign on: March 12, 2020, 05:14:54 AM
Thank you everyone who has been on board for already 2 months!

Currently, we have 70 participants among forum users. They include:
- 24 Legendary/Hero
- 24 Sr. Member
- 19 Full Member
- 3 Member

...

Observed that your campaign was initially bombarded with bad reviews, but it was great to see you guys not simply quit and instead focused on turning things around which is why it is in a much better state now though it could still use some improvements.

Suggestions:
- I advise announcing that there are open slots and then selecting the participants after that announcement instead of focus on past applications like other managers.
- Use CFNP, FULL etc in your title to indicate the status of your campaign.
- Mention whether there are any open slots(Example: Posters have been applying right after you posted this message, but you never mentioned any open slots).
The lack of status in the title of this campaign indeed requires that hunters find more information by reading, but it is good for users to read it becomes a habit for everyone so that the information obtained is not wrong.
247  Economy / Speculation / Re: Start buying on: January 28, 2020, 01:55:08 PM
I'm buying the dip since a long time ago and I will keep buying Bitcoin as long as I have money to spare. This dip under 10k$ is pure awesomeness for investors and those who are looking to hold Bitcoin for long term or just until the next bull run.

Also don't buy if you can't afford to hold Bitcoin for a while instead of looking for a quick opportunity to get rich quick ...this is not the way so stop searching for it here.
my money are all on ethereum , but once it is hits the all time high and bitcoin undervalued i usually switch them all at once to bitcoin so i have much more bitcoin collected than ever before , why? i play with ethereum undervalued first and move on bitcoin later hehe.

anybody have done this before?

i do loving to see this big opportunity indeed to load up my bags.
this is a very rare chance that you will never see it twice.

No, I have not. And I'm glad I made that choice.

I know some people have made lots of money with ethereum, but the problem I see is that ethereum is to weird for the normal investor. Just think about BTC, it's been really complicated to explain it to normal people. Now imagine explaining ethereum. People like to invest in things they understand. BTC is in the eyes of some big investors. Ethereum is not, unless that investor is geek, which is a very low percentage. Another problem I see with ethereum is that it doesn't have a max supply. The amount of coins that can be created every year is 18 million vs less than 1 million in BTC.

Now is time for BTC. Not for ethereum.

I don't want to depres you with your investment, Im just saying to be careful. Maybe im wrong.



for now you can look at ethereum price , where are they now? they are still in the bottom where any other altcoins such as bitcoin cash , bitcoin sv, ethereum classic, dash and many more has made their moves to double up from the bottom.

now it is a time for ethereum to make a move , $400 is my price target next.

i won't bother if anybody says it is a trap to have your money in ethereum instead in bitcoin , no i will stick to my ethereum for now.
until further movement , ethereum could skyrocketing into something that nobody can ever imagined.
this is my word and i will back here later quoting this once the ethereum price went crazy more than what bitcoin did so far.
248  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: January 28, 2020, 12:37:08 PM
See as told you that was a hard game for Juventus.
It is never easy to play there with them. As told that is the only game that matters on the season, they play like is the final of world cup.

Lost a good opportunity to escape from the mass on the leaderboard.   Embarrassed
we are still up for 3 points , let's hope for inter and lazio to losing points in the next week.

both teams suffering bad result the last time and it must be continue  Cheesy.
so far there only two threats come from two clubs , as roma doesn't count as they are struggle in the mid table.

napoli surprises everyone who betting for juventus to not lost.
as you have said before , a game at san paolo naples never be easy for juventus and nobody proved it wrong.
that is the fact and juventus gets the first lost in 2020 despite ronaldo continue scoring goal.
249  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2019/20 on: January 28, 2020, 11:55:53 AM
But first, we should focus on the Copa del Rey game this week against Zaragoza. I bet Zizou's gonna rest a lot of players.

If I were Real Madrid coach, I won't take that risk. We have already seen lots of upsets in Copa Del Rey and Real Madrid won't risk another. But the problem is they have to play against Atletico Madrid just 3 days later. Now this is real test for Real Madrid players, they have to advance to quarter finals of Copa and also try to retain first spot in league against tough opponent.

I think both matches will have same Real Madrid squad except 2-3 changes max.
there is no easy fixtures for a team such as real madrid.
they get used to have 3 to even 4 match within 8 days , they knew how to handle it as real madrid are a team with good squad depth every year except this year where there is a lot of players flop such as jovic and eden hazard have not show his bet form due the injury.

they can handle it i have no doubt about all of these issues.

atletico madrid will be a big challenge to maintain their pposition at the top.
the score line will not far from 0-0 or 1-0 i guess. it always been a close match.
250  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: January 26, 2020, 12:35:11 AM
The match ended with a surreal 7 - 0 scoreline, A real embarrassing night for Torino in front of their home fans, such humiliation will definitely have its effect on the players over the next few weeks.

Josep illicic at the heart of almost every beautiful play for the visitor, he scored a hattrick which includes a potential goal of the season.

This is Atalanta, usually when they win they destroy the opponent dominating the game but sometimes they will lose with a medium level opponent.
They can do great on Champion, they can pass the turn and access to 1/4.

They have great players but usually when they leave Atalanta they will fail in another teams I don't know why but there they have their own chemestry where everything works.
they are the most aggressive team in serie A , look at this :

goal  for : 57
goal against : 28
goal difference : 29

they have won 5-0 twice this season and 7-1 once against udinese all of them played at home.
but now look at that 0-7 play away against torino.
insane , if only they play consistently , they can have a better battle at the top.
251  Economy / Speculation / Re: Start buying on: January 26, 2020, 12:00:47 AM
I'm buying the dip since a long time ago and I will keep buying Bitcoin as long as I have money to spare. This dip under 10k$ is pure awesomeness for investors and those who are looking to hold Bitcoin for long term or just until the next bull run.

Also don't buy if you can't afford to hold Bitcoin for a while instead of looking for a quick opportunity to get rich quick ...this is not the way so stop searching for it here.
my money are all on ethereum , but once it is hits the all time high and bitcoin undervalued i usually switch them all at once to bitcoin so i have much more bitcoin collected than ever before , why? i play with ethereum undervalued first and move on bitcoin later hehe.

anybody have done this before?

i do loving to see this big opportunity indeed to load up my bags.
this is a very rare chance that you will never see it twice.
252  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2019/20 on: January 25, 2020, 11:39:22 PM
I didn't watch the game but Valencia won Shocked

Did they got luck or they deserve the win?


According to https://understat.com/match/12231

Well, from stats it seems a even match. Who deserved?

Stats may say otherwise but Barcelona played awful today. Under Quique Setien, Barcelona find the way to pass quickly between players but where is the final product? Just for an example, out of 14 shots Barcelona registered 11 came from Messi. He was only active player for Barcelona today apart from Ter Stegen. But his performance was also below par. He missed all his 11 shots. He failed to convert any of the 4 free kicks (one was only 21m away). When you are Lionel Messi, fans expect better from you.

So in the nutshell, coach changed but situation isn't.
Messi's Good Day = Barca's Good Day
Messi's Bad Day = Barca's Awful Day
that is correct , the tiki-taka maybe comeback in quique setien hands.
but the fans always want more , they wanted a working tiki-taka along with good result.

bad result so far , if the fans did not patient enough then i guess setien won't last longer at barcelona as other permanent coach candidate are in the queue like pochettino. xavi and a comeback of pep guardiola in the summer could likely happened.

just a bad luck, 2-0 for valencia is a well deserved one for the home team.
253  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: January 20, 2020, 12:04:04 PM
@Slow death shit happens sometimes , move on, don't ever try to recover what you have lost, you know what is the turnout  Cheesy , can not imagine those people who picking all those 3 draw on the parlay , assumed it has 3 or 4 in price , around 30 in multiplier .

with the draw result, inter milan seems getting far away from juventus at the first place.

will juventus continue to dominate the serie a again?
i hope so hehe
254  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Satoshi mines Gambling on: January 20, 2020, 11:22:15 AM
Hello, I wanna asking... Anyone play a satoshi mines? I cant access my account through unique link.

It's might my account ban or my IP is blocked? Anyone could share to me, do  you have access your account?

I can't test that, due since satoshimines don't open registration again anyone. I trying to look some an announcement about satoshimines and they look like didn't have offcial thread or sosial media.

If the site is https://satoshimines.com/ that I found from Google, then you need to use VPN to visit on that site because that is what I did now. It seems the website is not available to register, so I cannot test. Maybe you need to contact the admin in the Help section link (https://satoshimines.com/help), so you can know what your problem is. But if I were you, I would search for the other gambling games which are more attractive.
yes i guess that is the site that op refering to,

i have been playing at that site sine two or three years ago i think , i have some good moments where my lucky times found only there, until i get some trouble reporting some issues occured during i play and trying to reach the support which i never get any response.

since then i could make a conclusion that the site considered as a scam to me.
a service without good communication with its users mean zero value.
avoid the site at any  cost!
No one would able to play because registrations were off and also there were some few options for us to take if we do really like to play minesweeper game like in Stake and Cryptogames.
oh i just noticed it ,
 
the site stated
-Satoshi Mines is not accepting new players at this time-

wtf is happening lol
i have unique link too , guess i am considered as an old players? but it seems did not work out neither.
255  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2019/20 on: January 20, 2020, 10:29:18 AM
The surprise of this week in La Liga was the defeat Atletico Madrid.They lost 2-0 to Eibar a team in the last places of the standings.This reinforces my belief that La Liga is only divided through Real Madrid and Barcelona.This year is the same also,it only is more beautiful as they are both with equal points.Other teams in La Liga are just to fulfill the number of teams to 20.
i thought they will only lost by 1-0 only as per defensive record they used to lost by 1 goal difference. that 90 minutes goal of course broke it and make the match ended with 2-0 for eibar, what a shock. they are fading away from the title race now by collected 35 points only from the total of 20 matches they have played so far , 8 points different from the top and second place real madrid & barcelona, now they even have to be in the battle of champions league zone with sevilla, getafe, real sociedad and valencia .

and of course an interesting match on barcelona.

despite they only win for 1-0 , but everybody agree that the old barcelona philosophy of tiki-taka it seems back to camp nou with setien as a manager, look at that messi goal they are went full tiki-taja, we love to see that coming in the next barcelona matches.
256  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Satoshi mines Gambling on: January 20, 2020, 10:00:34 AM
Hello, I wanna asking... Anyone play a satoshi mines? I cant access my account through unique link.

It's might my account ban or my IP is blocked? Anyone could share to me, do  you have access your account?

I can't test that, due since satoshimines don't open registration again anyone. I trying to look some an announcement about satoshimines and they look like didn't have offcial thread or sosial media.

If the site is https://satoshimines.com/ that I found from Google, then you need to use VPN to visit on that site because that is what I did now. It seems the website is not available to register, so I cannot test. Maybe you need to contact the admin in the Help section link (https://satoshimines.com/help), so you can know what your problem is. But if I were you, I would search for the other gambling games which are more attractive.
yes i guess that is the site that op refering to,

i have been playing at that site sine two or three years ago i think , i have some good moments where my lucky times found only there, until i get some trouble reporting some issues occured during i play and trying to reach the support which i never get any response.

since then i could make a conclusion that the site considered as a scam to me.
a service without good communication with its users mean zero value.
avoid the site at any  cost!
257  Economy / Speculation / Re: Dont let them fool you. We will see a NEW BOTTOM. Maybe BTC at 3400$ again? on: January 15, 2020, 04:45:44 PM
you still there pal?
waiting for your $3400 dip?

while we are heading to the next all time high  Cheesy


it seems that the manipulation happening is for the price to go uptrend.

Personally, I have accumulated a lot already last year and I never sold any of my btc for long term hold as I am expecting to see a new ATH as the halving is approaching, well, hopefully there's a pump but what's wrong with holding more if there's no pump that is happening.

one clear example of manipulation is what is happening with the BSV, it created a new ATH as price goes like crazy, but I say, people who bought at its peak should prepare for a bloody correction.

well people thought that the $200 bsv is the peak price , but then it continue goes up $300, who's to blame? always the manipulators while actually there is no manipulation at all with solid evidence, no?
258  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread (EPL) on: January 15, 2020, 04:09:00 PM
Mourinho might not be the best manager in the world any more but Spurs are having a tough season. They peaked with Poch & need to start a new cycle.

Mourinho needs 18 months before you can judge him but he will make them better.
pretty sure with his world class coaching but also full of controversy, tottenham could get the champions league position every year especially if levy gives him a lot of space to go shopping bi in the summer as he has lost christian eriksen who moved to inter.

not bad win 2-1 over the championship team.
he just need to notice about the inconsistency, ups and down since mou come to tottenham.

next season will be more interesting to watch.
259  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2019/20 on: January 14, 2020, 09:04:24 AM
Quique Setien appointed as a temporary manager as it seems xavi will be ready to accept the job in the summer.
fun fact that Quique Setien's real betis is the only team that can beat barcelona at the camp nou since 2018 , the score was 3-4.

i bet everybody have no idea who the f is he lol
his coaching history does not really impressive unless for that beating barcelona t the camp nou.
in data and facts Quique Setien has faced 7 times with Barcelona, 6 defeats with 1 victory, even though during Quiati Setien's trainer he has never won any titles.
there is a possibility he became a coach of Barcelona just because of 1 win at Camp Nou? I like seeing the same case in Takumi Minamino when he scored a goal against Liverpool, and finally, he became a Liverpool player.
that is why i say it is as a fun fact, not a serious appointment consideration.

he also former player of atletico madrid and racing santander played as a central midfielder , pretty productive with 95 goals out of 518 appearences.
i am sure he is not more than just a caretaker while waiting better option to come.

3 lost 4 draw 12 win this season with valverde as a coach.
what could setien gives in the rest of 19 league la liga matches?
he should not have worse stats or the coach switch seems useless.
260  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: January 14, 2020, 08:28:12 AM
The draw was a robbery from Inter.

Inter deserved to play the game in 10 for the Lautaro's fault, missing 1 penalty for Atalanta and 1 red card for Inter.
Also sadly Atalanta missed a penalty on the lasts minutes too.
Agreed that Atalanta would have been awarded more in that match. Inter Milan got supports for that match and fortunately kept 1 point.

VAR or not, it does not make sense, because in Italy, Juventus is the King (unofficial). Then, they often get supports from referees as well as VARs for important moment in matches and decisive period in seasons. At the end, if their competitors are not extremely strong, Juventus will win the title.
inter milan have the best defensive record so far this season with only 16 goals conceded out of 19 matches.
that is something. atlanta deserve more but the once again inter milan defend it well especially that handanovic save in the last minutes .
nothing to complain anymore here , inter milan simply still in the beast mode.

that is too early to say something like that, juventus can get slip sooner or later.
as the antonio conte squad seems so ambitious to chase for the title .

especially when eriksen did landed in milan very soon. extra power added.
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