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641  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: (Diskusi) Bitcoin / mata uang virtual erat kemungkinan dengan tindakan illegal on: May 03, 2019, 11:06:43 PM
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Mungkin agak sedikit kasar, karena saya baru mengenal bitcoin dan mata uang virtual, saya baca di banyak berita atau artikel, banyak yang mengatakan banyak hal hal negatif yang timbul dr bitcoin atau mata uang virtual itu sendiri yang merugikan masyarakat.
Kerugian apa yang didapatkan masyarakat?
pastinya terkait finansial
1. Jika dalam bentuk investasi, maka mereka terkena penipuan (scam),
2. Jika dalam bentuk trading, mungkin mereka tidak memiliki wawasan yang luas terkait dunia trading ataupun mereka tidak mempertimbangkan resiko dari trading yang mereka lakukan.

So, siapa yang salah? crypto atau orangnya?
Orang yang mendapatkan kerugian tersebut mereka hanya melihat dari segi opit yang bisa didapatkan melalui bitcoin saja tanpa melihat sisi lain dari bitcoin dan teknologinya.

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kenapa masih banyak masyarakat yang berkecimpung didalamnya apalagi dengan jumlah yang besar, padahal sudah tau resiko yang ada
simpel saja sih, karena orang-orang tersebut sudah tahu resikonya.
642  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [DISKUSI] Pandangan negatif terhadap para pengguna crypto on: May 03, 2019, 10:52:43 PM
tapi kalau ane sih di nyiyirin aja ane prove apa yang bisa saya kontribusikan kepada diri saya serta masyarakat sih
kayak "buat apa sih maen gtuan ngabisin waktu" then saya buktiin saya bisa beli ini itu dengan uang bermain d kripto sih
terus yang kedua iklas aja klo di nyiyirin ngga bisa d bendung soale pendapat orang
Setiap orang mempunyai kepribadian yang berbeda. sikap cuek bebek seperti agan banyak orang yang ingin seperti itu tetapi tidak semua orang kuat seperti agan mendengar nyinyiran orang-orang sehingga mereka merasa risih dan harus berbuat sesuatu untuk menghilangkan pandangan orang-orang terhadapnya.
643  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread (EPL) on: May 03, 2019, 10:38:16 PM
Liverpool started to get depressed when they suffered a pretty heavy defeat at the UCL match last night. With this defeat, they must think hard to be able to win one of the trophies this season, both UCL and EPL. But, it was not easy for them because even in EPL they still had to compete with Man City, which was more favored because the competitors still left one match postponed. even with UCL, they have to chase 3 goals without reply in the second leg later if they want to continue their struggle to qualify for the UCL final.
644  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2016/17 on: May 03, 2019, 10:33:16 PM
Yes, Real Madrid lost a lot of games against teams which they'd have usually won with their second best teams, their struggle has been evident across all competitions.

Barcelona too has their own down moments, but to be honest they have been superb all season and they didn't any to their potential title rivals or any team within the top 10 position, are yet to record a defeat in the league this year.
With the decline in game performance from Real Madrid it became easy for Barcelona to be top of the table until the end of the season because in La Liga they had no competition except Real Madrid, even Atl Madrid could not be Barcelona's main competitor to continue to get the title champion every season.

Maybe we can't defeat Real Madrid in a few matches because they should be able to win matches against teams that have far more players than they do. But, that is football, a team that is strengthened by star players can experience defeat.
645  Economy / Gambling / Re: BLOCKCHAIN. The Future of Online Casinos? ✅ on: May 03, 2019, 10:19:38 PM
The ease of building crypto casinos do help with the future of all online games as well. People are having trouble depositing and withdrawing from gambling places all the time in fiat world and because of the laws and banks and all other problems they have to really work hard to put their money in games and take the money out since it would create insane amount of legal problems, whereas you can start a crypto casino today, I am not kidding there are scripts everywhere and that place would allow you to play any game you wish and all gamblers would have to do is send their money to a bitcoin exchange and than if they win more withdraw their bitcoin in fiat form from that exchange.

It is just simply impossible for bitcoin gambling not take over all of online gambling one day.
This convenience is felt to me who lives in a country that prohibits all forms of gambling. Before the blockchain in gambling, I had difficulty to withdraw or deposit into gambling sites but with bitcoin, these two things could be done easily without having to clash with the laws in force in my country regarding gambling.
646  Economy / Gambling / Re: Win a Lamborghini for 0.00056 BTC on: May 03, 2019, 10:11:27 PM
~snip~
I would rather trust up Freebit.co than on this one yet they are more established than any new sites as of this moment. Freebit.co can possibly hit it up and about credibility then they are entirely different.
Dont be afraid because no fool would throw their money even if the ticket is just cheap.
Same as me. Freebitco is always the first choice for me to take part in the lottery. the credibility of this site is far more credible than new sites like Lambo. Maybe because personal ones also don't want to try new sites that don't have credibility so I prefer a lottery site that has been running for a long time. Luck could have been on a new site like Lambo but I was too worried to follow it.
647  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Facebook Bisa Untung dari Proyek 'Bitcoin" on: May 02, 2019, 11:45:22 PM
Sepertinya facebook tidak lama lagi akan mengadopsi sistem blockchain dalam sistem mereka
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Informasi pada link tersebut termasuk informasi resmi kah?
Selama tidak ada pencantuman kepastian hari H nya, mungkin bisa dikatakan proyek tersebut masih dalam tahap uji coba.
Kali ini saya sepemikiran dengan agan Husna bahwa proyek bisa masih dalam tahap uji coba dan kemungkinan peluncuran dari proyek tersebut juga masih akan lama karena dev pun perlu menganalisa resiko dari penerapan teknologi blockchain untuk platform facebook sendiri. Banyak yang mengatakan bahwa mereka akan mendapatkan keuntungan dari peluncuran proyek tersebut tetapi saya kira itu tidak akan terlalu masif dimana facebook sendiri pernah melakukan banned terhadap crypto sehingga mungkin akan sulit bagi mereka untuk membangun kepercayaan para influencer crypto yang sudah tersakiti dengan banned yang mereka lakukan.
648  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: (Diskusi) bursa kripto baru di indonesia on: May 02, 2019, 11:05:33 PM
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saya rasa beberapa exchanger tersebut tidak akan bisa bersaing dengan exchanger yang sudah populer karena orang-orang saat ini secara tidak sadar mereka sudah diarahkan untuk bergabung menggunakan exchanger yang sudah ada karena volume dan aktivitasnya pun sudah sangat tinggi
Menurut saya pernyataan tersebut terlalu meng-generalisir.
Karena belum tentu juga exchanger baru tidak bisa bertahan/bersaing karena kalah pamor dengan exchanger yang sudah lebih dulu ada.
Contoh beberapa exchanger lama/baru yang hingga kini masih eksis:

Indodax (sebelumnya bernama VIP Bitcoin):  Mei 2013
LUNO (sebelumnya bernama BitX) : di Indonesia berdiri pada awal 2016
TokoCrypto : 1 Juni 2017

dan masih ada lagi exchanger lainnya yang juga tergolong baru, yang masih bersaing/bertahan hingga saat ini.
Saya pun sudah tahu exchanger tersebut selain indodax. Memang mereka masih bertahan tetapi aktivitas marketnya kalah jauh dari indodax sehingga saya mengatakan sulit untuk bersaing. Tetapi, dengan adanya beberapa exchanger baru tersebut terkadang saya juga memanfaatkan keberadaannya dengan melakukan trading arbitrasi yang memanfaatkan perbedaan harga dari beberapa exchange untuk mendapatkan keuntungan dalam trading.
649  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [DISKUSI] Pandangan negatif terhadap para pengguna crypto on: May 02, 2019, 11:00:19 PM
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Ah.. Maaf, bila saya menangkap konotasi dari 'pamer' tersebut adalah negatif dan bertujuan untuk pembuktian dan mungkin untuk 'membalas' cemoohan atau prasangka buruk orang terhadapnya.

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OMG, ini orang mulutnya gak pernah sekolah asal ceplas ceplos. saya dengan emosi kasih liat aja ke dia balance di wallet hp saya 1.5 BTC, -snip-
Akhirnya beliau terpancing emosinya..

Terkadang pamer memang diperlukan untuk menanggapi tanggapan2 negatif tersebut tetapi yang tidak diperbolehkan adalah pamer yang berlebihan. Saya juga terkadang menjadikan pamer sebagai untuk membuktukan kepada orang-orang atas apa yang saya hasilkam dari apa yang saya kerjakan dan tentu upaya tersebut semata-mata untuk memotivasi mereka supaya bisa lebih giat lagi untuk bekerja apapun itu pekerjaannya.
650  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2018-2019 on: May 02, 2019, 10:55:19 PM
Liverpool is not only looking forward to the win but also to qualify for the final. We need a win with at-least 3 goals difference. The match will be an entertaining one for sure.
I'm a little doubt Liverpool can get up to turn things around in the second leg later. The big goal difference makes them have to fight harder to qualify for the UCL final this season.
651  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Does convince people to enjoy gambling is a wrong idea? on: May 02, 2019, 10:51:43 PM

To be honest, you can't really have fun in gambling because that is not reslly what you wanted, you just do it because someone is winning, your envy and greed in money takes you to something you never wanted to go, gamblig world is no joke once you get addicted to it. Money is so hard to earn yet it could easily be lost in gambling in just a click.

If you are winning in gambling, then don't convince someone to take the same path you took, everyone is different, everyone has their own talent.
Talent is a number of things a gambler must have, they can have that talent if they continue to practice by participating in various games. The idea of ​​teaching people to play gambling is not wrong but do the teaching without betting first so that the idea that the OP has will not be risky to people who want to learn to gamble so that no one will lose because this is just a gambling game.
652  Economy / Gambling / Re: BEtking.io on: May 02, 2019, 10:39:22 PM
Previously there was news that this site launched a private token, and the project from the token turned out to be one of the scams they did. Maybe that's the main reason this site is temporarily closed.
653  Economy / Gambling / Re: LuxBets.io 💎💎💎 The New Bitcoin Hype 💎💎💎 Winners Every 15 Minutes! on: May 02, 2019, 10:34:41 PM
As a new gambling site, I think the ticket to the lottery is too expensive compared to other sites. If you do not provide a promo for the price of a ticket, this site might find it difficult to attract the attention of gambling players.
654  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin is recovering on: May 01, 2019, 10:25:05 PM
Bitcoin is recovering and I think it is aiming to get back and hit it's ATH.
I think it would take much time so let's just wait till it happens .
Seem's like the bull is making it's way to get the crypto to the moon again.
Judging from the graph, the market is indeed undergoing recovery but it is not necessarily recovering to its ATH peak.  Too far to chase ATH that happened before.  At present, we can only listen and help the current movement in order to increase market capitalization and volume of market activity because the movement of these two things is a major influence in being able to restore long bearish market conditions.
655  Economy / Economics / Re: Transferring of wealth from the impatient to the patient! on: May 01, 2019, 10:17:32 PM
Our concern for what will happen in the future makes us decide that cryptocurrency is another option to secure some wealth. Many people think that the decision is a mistake but we have seen the miracle of patience, which is the peak in 2017, where people who think healthy invest their wealth in crypto that at that time nobody expected or hoped the price was as high as when  this. An investment will not fail unless you are exposed to fraud because any item in the form of investment even though it is not worth it at the moment but in the future the item will be far more valuable, as is the investment in cryptocurrency.
656  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Pengiriman uang dengan bitcoin. Lebih murah ataukah lebih mahal?[Update Q1-2019] on: May 01, 2019, 09:31:21 PM
secara data yang sudah agan kemukakan maka bitcoin lebih unggul apabila dibedakan dengan yang lain ,setahu saya jika ingin biaya fee lebih murah lagi withdrawnya dari pasar atau convert dahulu ke altcoin lain yang notabennya biaya bisa lebih murah sampai murah sekali ,pilihan saya tetap bitcoin dan crypto lainnya
Pasar mana yang menyediakan fee wd rupiah lebih murah selain dari pasar crypto yang sudah populer di Indonesia yaitu indodax, jika ada tolong rekomendasinya gan saya tertarik untuk mencobanya karena paling wd rupiah paling murah setau saya dikenakan biaya 3-4% dari total wd yang dilakukan. Mahalnya biaya tersebut sampai sekarang saya masih menggunakan mata uang dollar di pasar exchange luar untuk melakukan wd dan kebetulan saya punya rekening bank yang menyimpan uang dollar.
657  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [DISKUSI] Pandangan negatif terhadap para pengguna crypto on: May 01, 2019, 08:40:25 PM
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dan saya kasih pamer di depan teman saya tersebut. apa kata dia?, wow hasil maen judi yak??,
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Saran:
Tetap rendah hati, hal negatif yang datang dari orang lain, tidak mesti juga dibalas dengan hal negatif lagi.

PS: Jangan lupa, dapatkan dengan cara yang baik, sisihkan sebagian juga ke jalan yang baik.
Mungkin saat ini kita bisa pamer, tapi semua itu bisa saja berbalik 1800 dikemudian hari.
Saya pribadi tidak berpikir bahwa apa yang bang DroomieChikito lakukan adalah balasan yang negatif. Justru, terkadang hal seperti itu memang perlu dilakukan terhadap orang-orang yang rese dengan tujuan bila kita kasih bukti yang nyata mereka bisa lebih mengerti apa yang kita kerjakan dan mudah2an dengan cara tersebut orang tersebut juga menjadi penasaran dan termotivasi untuk bergabung menggunakan bitcoin baik sebagai aset perdagangan atau investasi atau bisa juga hanya sebagai opsi lain alat pembayaran.

Jika cara yang lembut masih tidak mempan juga, cara seperti ini bisa kita lakukan asalkan kita tidak menyakiti dengan kekerasan dan seolah-olah memaksa.
658  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling is an entertainment? on: May 01, 2019, 08:32:37 PM
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Taking it as a profession is really a bad option. Giving importance to gambling as an entertainment is the perfect way to earn as well enjoy the good with gambling. When it is preferred for earning it'll keep the user under compulsion to win. There are people who spend the fund allocated for entertainment into gambling. This is completely good than spending from the daily life needs.
Too dangerous if we prioritize gambling as a job because the results may not be what we expect, even though many people don't want to go back to gamble because they have lost all of their assets. Entertainment is the right way when playing gambling and it also won't make us spend too much time on the table to play various gambling games.
659  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling with your Parents on: May 01, 2019, 08:26:02 PM
I like gambling but I can be called a person who rarely gambles.  The time is precious for me to make money but gambling is not the right place to make money, just position gambling as entertainment because it is more fun than being used as the main income especially for family finances.

For those of us who already understand that gambling is not good, as much as possible we don't introduce children to gambling, let them know for themselves when they are growing up.
660  Economy / Gambling / Re: Multiple clubs to choose from 24/7 action! on: May 01, 2019, 07:55:17 PM
The minimum deposit that you offer can tempt many people to come into play on your site, the site's appearance is very interesting and I also find out information about the site that you recommend and it turns out that the site is very well known in the USA.
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