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5101  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: More child boards... on: May 09, 2013, 03:43:24 AM
Either that or we all should get a new forum... Altcointalk as they seem less than responsive to this suggestion. It has been made many times. I think your market cap or total hash should be the metric. When you reach X hash/s then your coin gets a child board.
5102  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Klondike - 16 chip ASIC Open Source Board - Preliminary on: May 09, 2013, 03:31:02 AM
For those that have yet to buy their ASICs:

I had paid for 720, but that group buy closed because it couldn't be filled.  What group buy looks promising?

I just had to ask for a refund and need to place another order.

DABS? If you are in ASIA?

Or can you start your own group buy? I might be interested in helping you with that.
5103  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Klondike - 16 chip ASIC Open Source Board - Preliminary on: May 09, 2013, 03:28:21 AM
3) - purchase BUMMs (Bkk USB Mini Miners)
I'm calling them "Klondike 1" or "Klondike Nano" in my docs.


AKA BUMM's oh you know that is gonna stick.
5104  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Klondike - 16 chip ASIC Open Source Board - Preliminary on: May 09, 2013, 03:23:17 AM
Probably you are interested in view this page http://terrahash.com/ use this build.

Dont know who are..

Might also be worth a GROUP buy on boards with components if BKKcoins can get his prototypes to fly.  Bit early for all that I guess but really I am willing and able to work with a group so we can get the best price we all can.

Me too I'm trying to do Spanish group to get better price.

Regards Smiley

SCAM possibly.
5105  Other / Meta / Re: What to do with this? on: May 08, 2013, 03:07:50 PM
Wow, you really stooped low here. You are pathetic and a bully. I'm glad you have highlighted the sort of person you are, looking for all the 14 year old forum members to yell and scream 'HAHAHAHA'. To most people, you just look pathetic and I feel sorry for you.

Just look at all your tip jars covering your profile. I really love the beggar look, suits you.

I'm 53 and you're an asshole! If you desire, we can meetup and discuss the issue over a brewsky.

I am an asshole as well. If you buy the beer can we meet up?
5106  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Group Buy] Avalon ASIC chips, Philippines (Dabs) Asia on: May 08, 2013, 02:53:50 PM
From what I have seen and for the chip numbers I have ordered and the location BKKcoin is the one I'd go with Dabs for either of us. Has to be good people and fab houses in Manila for all this. Boards from BKKcoins... get your chips to the right people locally and you will be golden.

Yes there are. The electronic toy "grey" market here is very good at copying existing designs. Video games, mod chips, dvd players that play anything, android tablets and phones. If they just have one working model and the documentation for it, I'm sure one of these guys would be interested in fabricating a bunch. But they're not bitcoiners yet, so like everyone else, we're waiting for the specs to be published by Avalon.

Ya definitely. Patience. Seems like dealing with the ASIC builders leaves everyone in the same boat scratching their nuts while we wait for news. Any news.
5107  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: List of all cryptocoins on: May 08, 2013, 02:48:47 PM
I vote for ordering them all by market capitalisation. It's the only objective measurement. If it was sorted by popularity and topic discussion here namecoin wouldn't feature high. If it was by price novacoin would be second etc.

Correct. +1
5108  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Klondike - 16 chip ASIC Open Source Board - Preliminary on: May 08, 2013, 02:27:28 PM
Might also be worth a GROUP buy on boards with components if BKKcoins can get his prototypes to fly.  Bit early for all that I guess but really I am willing and able to work with a group so we can get the best price we all can.
5109  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Group Buy] Avalon ASIC chips, Philippines (Dabs) Asia on: May 08, 2013, 02:24:07 PM
PSST.... you need to marry chips to board. Power supply, fans and heatsinks... few more bucks and some skills. The more I look at the DIY idea the less comfortable I am unless you have the right EQUIPMENT. Start reading the how to do reflow etc... there is some excellent info on BKKcoins thread on this. Best bet especially if you are ordering in larger numbers find an SMT / PCB fab house near you.

Yes, I understand that. I'm still thinking what would be a good arrangement for other participants in this group buy. If someone local, or at least within this region can do the assembly, (you?) then all investors interested in BkkCoin's design can buy the boards from him, buy the chips here, and send them to you to marry them. Or something along those lines.

I think more people are interested in finished products than raw materials.

From what I have seen and for the chip numbers I have ordered and the location BKKcoin is the one I'd go with Dabs for either of us. Has to be good people and fab houses in Manila for all this. Boards from BKKcoins... get your chips to the right people locally and you will be golden.
5110  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Visit to BFL on: May 08, 2013, 02:18:19 PM
Pop Pop Pop....

So much for customer service. Pretty dangerous policy. Insane really.

Security is what they need. Never know who or what would walk through that door given all the heated exchanges that have been had here about BFL. Seriously don't they worry about their own safety... and the safety of the product?
5111  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL 6 May 2013 ASIC Update on: May 08, 2013, 05:40:33 AM


No more vapourware to those on the back end of the BFL order train right? Especially given what we are seeing from the open source designers. There is more than just an idea here it is moving forward and this will happen. And to be brutally honest who you would put more faith in at this point? Avalon releasing the specs and DIY'ers making these boards work or BFL?

You are trying to deflect what was a pretty straightforward question. As far as I am concerned the Avalon chip DIY based project are not  an option until the designs and chips are shipping from Avalon, and then starts the actual building of products like the Klondike and assessment of market penetration. At that point you can start making claims as to BFL's relative success in the marketplace, before that it's wild speculation.



Not trying to deflect.

I put it clearly IF IT WORKS... what part of that don't you get it is a risk right I get that... but at this point considering the BFL track record and those working on the DIY and Avalon providing specs what do you think is more likely to be succeed longer term? That is a valid question and not strictly "Vapourware" considering people have waited 10 months for BFL to deliver right? For me it is more about gauging who I think will actually deliver what they promise. If and it is a risk as I have said... if the DIY make it work BFL will be hard pressed to recoup any market share. I think many are ready for that to happen because of the ineptitude of BFL. That isn't wild speculation. It is based on the hash power projected, the price point and the lack of delivery by BFL. I suspect that BFL "investors" at the end of the line are going to be CLIPPED by these DIY projects given the effort being put in. What is wildly hard to predict is what BFL will actually be able to ship in the next few months considering the lies and delays that have already happened.

Put it this way... what has BFL actually shipped? In what quantity to what specifications? That is where the history of BFL hinges. Is there currently things that could topple them... yes. Is it likely they will get to market in time to really mess BFL up? Yes. It might be speculation but it is hardly WILD. It is measured.





5112  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL 6 May 2013 ASIC Update on: May 08, 2013, 05:00:36 AM
Nope. https://github.com/bkkcoins/klondike/tree/master/docs

Klondike 16 – ASIC Miner Board

TOTAL PER BOARD       1 board  $38.99
                              25 boards $26.48
                            100 boards $20.67

Or have I read it wrong?
5113  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL 6 May 2013 ASIC Update on: May 08, 2013, 04:54:55 AM
This will be mass produced (if it works) and replicated locally across the world... BFL will not get a second run at this. It could be game over for them and given their delivery delays I can't see anyone going with them ever again when these cheaper and better built alternatives come out in a few months.

I am waiting on my 540 chips... and my plan when they are up and mining is to reproduce the boards locally here in Indonesia for the Indonesian market only. I won't be the only person doing this trust me things have changed and BFL will have to either change or face the fact they will be pushed completely out of the market.

Understood, but the Avalon chips are vaporware atm, possibly months off. Have they published the schematic and open source board design yet? It was meant to be May



No more vapourware to those on the back end of the BFL order train right? Especially given what we are seeing from the open source designers. There is more than just an idea here it is moving forward and this will happen. And to be brutally honest who you would put more faith in at this point? Avalon releasing the specs and DIY'ers making these boards work or BFL?
5114  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL 6 May 2013 ASIC Update on: May 08, 2013, 04:54:16 AM
What is missing?
5115  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL 6 May 2013 ASIC Update on: May 08, 2013, 04:48:27 AM
This will be mass produced (if it works) and replicated locally across the world... BFL will not get a second run at this. It could be game over for them and given their delivery delays I can't see anyone going with them ever again when these cheaper and better built alternatives come out in a few months.

I am waiting on my 540 chips... and my plan when they are up and mining is to reproduce the boards locally here in Indonesia for the Indonesian market only. I won't be the only person doing this trust me things have changed and BFL will have to either change or face the fact they will be pushed completely out of the market and given the way they do business it might be the best thing for miners and the cryptocoin community generally.
5116  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL 6 May 2013 ASIC Update on: May 08, 2013, 04:34:20 AM
So instead of 8 chips, the single will use 16 chips, it is a nice move that leaves a lot of room for chips. I remember that they said the test for running at 500Mhz is problematic but chips can run stable at 300Mhz, e.g. 4.8GH per chip

So if BKKcoins actually builds a functional Klondike, a 16 chip board that could clock to 300 Mhz per chip on a 10 cm x10 cm square at 32W as a DIY project in a few months what the hell has BFL been doing these past 10 months?

Quote
Each Klondike board has a 6 pin PCI Express power connector allowing efficient powering of many boards from a decent ATX PSU. A 16 chip board should be capable of 4512 MH/s and consume about 32W power. A low cost Corsair CX-600 PSU should easily power 16 boards using readily available power splitters. This provides for 72 GH/s off one low cost ATX PSU.


And costing roughly https://github.com/bkkcoins/klondike/blob/master/docs/Parts%20List.pdf what only $26.48 per manufactured board with runs of 25+ board minimum and $8 for an Avalon chip and then and in heatsinks with fans, the psu and time and sweat you could put have the following.

16 Avalon Chips............................  $128.00
1 Board......................................... $ 23.68
Corsair CX-600 PSU.......................... $70.00
1 Extruded Al Heat sink and fan.........  $16.00
Blood Sweat Tears.........................  $100.00
USB cable........................................ $2.00
32+ Watts.
4.8 GH/s
No extra shipping charges
Easily scales to 72 GH/s

For 340 USD?

Hmmm.

I see a tough road ahead for any BFL products if the Avalons DIY'ers get this working. This might prove the end of BFL considering this will be open source.




5117  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Klondike - 16 chip ASIC Open Source Board - Preliminary on: May 07, 2013, 02:52:13 PM
That be sweet.  40 x 40 configuration in a rack mount. 512 chips 144+ GH/s. Using what? 2 x 1000 W PSU to be safe?

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Huntkey-baisheng-4u-industrial-computer-case-s400-4u-rack-server-computer-case/735776385.html

2 layers and I am good. Just need to find a good home for the remaining 28 chips.
5118  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Klondike - 16 chip ASIC Open Source Board - Preliminary on: May 07, 2013, 01:43:48 PM
do you think there was a specific reason the layout of the avalon boards is what it is? ie groups of 10 in larger modules.  I would have to wonder about why they didnt go for one big board instead of groups of small boards.   Not having the data sheet and limited information on how these chips work, I think it would be pretty perspicuous to think large chip boards are going to be designed and working before the smaller chip count boards.    

Im not trying to say one is better then the other, as I honestly have no clue what the "best" design may be.  I do hope that there are multiple board designs with different chip counts so a greater number of people can get involved.



Time constraints... pricing as well and that rush to market might be the reason as well as limited chip supply or even the idea how can we get 10 more GH/s out of a machine compared to the competition. Their design parameters were likely based on those sort of issues I think. Could be wrong obviously but given the price point and total hash power... they went that route.

I think BKKcoin has a different objective? Can you talk about your thinking about the Klondike so far BKKcoin? Your plan basically pack as many chips as you can into a small space and make them cheap as possible right? Max gh/s per square cm? If he guesses right and the chips do not have to be arranged as maximum of 10 per board then I think the design of the avalon had different goals than BKKcoins idea.
5119  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Klondike - 16 chip ASIC Open Source Board - Preliminary on: May 07, 2013, 01:38:09 PM
Great info guys... thanks for that... I am going to work on those ideas you posted and come up with some possible configs. Might just use my third floor at school and turn it into a server area with small AC unit and server rack and compare that to data center pricing. Might be able to get something customized here in Indonesia or used.
5120  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Klondike - 16 chip ASIC Open Source Board - Preliminary on: May 07, 2013, 08:21:03 AM




Looks more like Klondike Sudoku.

What about fitting them into a server rack? Thoughts?
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