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4541  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Klondike - 16 chip ASIC Open Source Board - Preliminary on: June 20, 2013, 11:05:22 AM
Just take the PIC Chip, And Roll it on a hard surface (Desk works well) to bend all of the pins around and under the chip.  You'll convert it into a Gull-Wing style lead and then you should be able to solder it on to the K1.  I've done it many times when someone ordered a wide body SOIC instead of a narrow body SOIC for parts that come in both packages..

Enigma
That's a cool idea I'd have never thought of. I already removed all the parts and paste. But I may give it a try later. At the moment I'm checking the K16 board for unexpected continuities and I was going to cut a ASIC-less stencil for it next.

You did not get sample chips ?
No, I got samples but for the first board I'll place 1 manually after testing the power supply, and PIC first. I wish I was perfect but one wrong part placement in the power supply and you could end up with 12V going into the 1.2V line, or who knows what else could be wrong. I'd rather test it first, then test the PIC can communicate via USB (which it should be good for now), and then place an ASIC and test that communication. When there is too many unknowns it's best to go step by step.

(There are so many details. I didn't even realize until I wrote that above that the stencil I was using for the K1 was without NOR gate as well, from last week. So I need to cut a new one for the K1 too, with NOR gate.)

Burnin has his ASIC communication working now, though I don't know the details. I'm hopeful that mine won't take too much work either.


4542  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon Factory on: June 20, 2013, 10:51:59 AM
I love to see underpaid Chinese at work.
Just hope they ship fast.

As opposed to seeing ZERO jobs in the US because they were outsourced to China?
4543  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Is Avalon mining with customer hardware? Answer is here. on: June 20, 2013, 05:58:59 AM
Asked and Answered.

Seriously... what more is there to this?
4544  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Is Avalon mining with customer hardware? Answer is here. on: June 19, 2013, 11:25:21 AM
FUD everywhere by people who can't do math.

1. these are not batch #1,2 or 3 units.
2. all the openWRT firmware is burnt from a single image in batches,
3. the openWRT is used in more than just production units.
4. all burn-in is 24 or more hours, you all think we seriously only would have 700+ bitcoins if they were mining? LOL
        I can't believe I'm repeating myself by saying we are not mining with batch #2 or #3 units.
5. complains will just lead into refunds, since clearly people are not happy with Avalon ASIC.
        personally I'd love to issue these refunds so these people can go find the next thing to complain about and I can get some peace n quiet.
6. I'm going back to deal with trade-in and damaged orders.


Asked and answered... next problem please.
4545  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Klondike - 16 chip ASIC Open Source Board - Preliminary on: June 19, 2013, 06:06:18 AM

Just to update everyone in case it's not clear:

I've arrived back from Bkk and have sample chips from steamboat, final needed parts from Mouser, and K16 boards from China. I will be initially testing power supply on the boards and then PIC on the K1 and then mount an ASIC on a K1 for comm. tests. So barring unexpected set backs (like solder paste that turns out to be useless), I should be able to report something on ASIC communication within a day or two.


AWESOME NESS!
4546  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Klondike - 16 chip ASIC Open Source Board - Preliminary on: June 16, 2013, 08:25:51 AM
Yeah. Need room for cables as well.
You may want to look at FPC or ribbon cable w/headers to tie the klego connectors on each side to the next side. Usually side-side would use a 2x5 pin header wired correctly, but since you have a corner to wrap maybe a short 3 lead FPC type connector could be fitted. Or possibly if the spacing is right a right angle header on one side matched with a vertical on the next would line up.

Anyone find these ribbon connectors?
4547  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Group Buy#1] Avalon ASICs CHIPS! Using JohnK as escrow! FINISHED! on: June 16, 2013, 07:38:25 AM
That's great and all but I don't know that your group buy thread is the right place to advocate a new venture.


Pfft It is his thread... can do what he wants. Good to have more board makers out there to spread production. Thanks for posting the info Ragingazn I am sure many will be interested.
4548  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Klondike - 16 chip ASIC Open Source Board - Preliminary on: June 14, 2013, 04:30:25 PM
*********************
Initial Release 0.1.0  
*********************

Just pushed to GitHub.

Please read the RELEASE NOTES as it explains a bit about why the schematic is the way it is.

The README has been updated to try and keep up with the current TODO list and license files have been added, and updated in the source code. I cleaned up the firmware project files a bit so that not as much USB SDK sample junk is left behind. I'll probably be fixing a few things for a while yet.

I think I'm taking a bit of a plunge of faith here in the Bitcoin community. I know it's full of all types, from both ends of the spectrum here - those who will hack and steal everything and those who contribute and support the efforts that made Bitcoin even exist. Everyone in the Klondike thread has been very supportive and I choose to give back what I can - maybe everything will work out and having this out will give everyone the best chance to have working mining boards when ASICs arrive. I'll be continuing my efforts to make that happen.

As I started this project hoping to expand my own mining from GPUs and keep up with changes I couldn't afford to buy into, I'm trusting I wouldn't have been better off keeping it all secret.

NOTE - This is not final code or design at all. I will be writing and re-writing parts, and adapting.  If you're wondering how it's possible for something to work when you can't find it, then it's probably because it hasn't been written yet.


Frigging Canadians... too nice. Thanks. Grin
4549  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: asic hardware buyers association on: June 13, 2013, 02:19:17 PM
Form a Co-Op... link co-ops around the world. Build our own chips and share open source boards and chip designs. Win win for the consumers.
4550  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] Avalon Chip Group buy 500 FRC/chip! 8,985 & Build to Order Klondikes on: June 13, 2013, 01:56:25 PM
FRC for chips and K1s and K16.
4551  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Block Erupter USB Sales on: June 13, 2013, 01:51:36 PM
"2.5 Watts USB Miner Outperforming Your Graphics Card. No Pre-Order. Get Them Now!"

No it does not

Considering  resale/reuse value of a video card, and hash/$ ratio erupters suck at that price. Electricity cost gains do not cover that gap.

Resell to those mining Altcoins... no?

4552  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Klondike] Case design thread for K16 on: June 13, 2013, 01:27:06 PM
I can't remember how many W each K16 uses. How many K16s would 100W limit you to?

32W per K16 estimated

3x32W=96W
4x32W=128W

not too much eh..

https://www.stackpop.com/configure/colocation/singapore/singapore/singapore/19885
4 kva for 42U $2500 / month
125 x K16 = 4 kva
125 x K16 = ~3 K16 per 1U  (most likely there are some unusable slots, use for switches, spacing, etc)

https://www.stackpop.com/configure/colocation/united_states/virginia/ashburn/17237
24 kva 59U for $1000 per month (or $2000 unsure if power is included or extra)
750 x k16 = 24kva
750 x k16 = 12.7 k16 per 1U or ~51 per 4U  (most likely there are some unusable slots, use for switches, spacing, etc)

But these can only be used once stability of these devices is proven, to not need much babysitting by hand.

Cramming higher density into 1U is only viable if you are hosting the rack on your own premises and can arrange adequate cooling.. But then why would one use 1U and not bigger cases where u can have better airflow using more efficient bigger fans.

For something of the 1U I designed to go into a datacenter you will need 2nd Gen or 3rd Gen ASICs where power is a third it is now. Maybe the 55nm Avalons will work. Then it will be datacenter ready. That is why I will have to go cheaper route build my own data center? LOL... sounds funny to say but it will be.
4553  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Has the K32 / K64 actually been designed yet? on: June 13, 2013, 09:22:25 AM
K1, K16, and K64 all possible and "designed".

Yes they can be K16s and K64s can be chained together. Klondike Lego or Klego.

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The address is always 000 for the primary USB board, and >= 001 for subsequent chained boards. For chained boards it simply relays the cmd to the I2c bus.

The primary board auto-detects what chained boards are present using "serial# as address" arbitration and assigns a unique I2C 7 bit address. So the possible range for destinations the host can talk to is 000-112 (some I2C addresses are reserved). This would be the max boards per chain. I didn't go with 10 bit addressing as it would probably be beyond the limits of what even 400kbps could support on I2C, and at first I'll be working with 100kbps until there's time to test faster. And there's no real need either - at the USB level having 100+ boards on each port of a hub is economically cheap, and more flexible.

Each PIC also auto-detects how many chips are on board and adjusts it's work splitting to match. The number of chips is relayed as status info for the host but the host doesn't really need to know - more for user overview, monitoring problems. - BKKCoins



https://github.com/bkkcoins/klondike

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Bitcoin ASIC mining board project

WARNING:

This project is incomplete and in progress. There may be errors, mistakes, incomplete portions at this time. Do NOT use these project files to order circuit boards until they have been finished and confirmed to work.

SUMMARY:

This is an open source effort to design and build a Bitcoin mining board based on the Avalon ASIC. The final goal is to have a small 10cm x 10cm board that holds 16 ASIC chips. This board can be controlled via USB or I2C communication. An example host would be a PC, Raspberry Pi or TP-Link WR703N router. The host will run cgminer with a custom driver based on the Avalon one and control the board via USB. The I2C interface allows chaining together more than one board consolidating control by the host system using only one USB connection.

Each board has a 6 pin PCI Express power connector allowing efficient powering of many boards from an ATX PSU. A 16 chip board should be capable of 4512 MH/s and consume about 32W power. A low cost Corsair CX-600 PSU should easily power 16 boards using readily available power splitters. This provides for 72 GH/s off one low cost ATX PSU.

STATUS:

The PCB routing is currently done and I'm making small changes to tidy up, improve and double check the design while waiting on the Avalon communication protocol docs. After they come out I'll finalize any changes and order first prototype boards. During the waiting period for boards to arrive I'll be coding / debugging the firmware and hope to have something workable to program into a test board when it arrives.

COMING SOME DAY:

Kicad Schematic and Board files

MPLAB-X Project and source files
4554  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Klondike - 16 chip ASIC Open Source Board - Preliminary on: June 13, 2013, 08:40:13 AM
Do yourself a huge favor though - run some 1000 grit sandpaper over both sides to clean up the burrs.  They don't look like much, but they end up holding the stencil off the board just enough that the paste oozes under 'everything'.  Experience speaking here Smiley

Enigma
Great idea, will do that. Thanks.

Some good recent add on links for the reference thread.

Southerngentuk finds a perfect pick and place DIY for BKKcoins.
Southerngentuk finds video for recycled DIY home-made SMT metal stencil.
Southerngentuk wants you to read about the DIY home-made SMT metal stencil.
4555  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Klondike - 16 chip ASIC Open Source Board - Preliminary on: June 13, 2013, 06:00:23 AM
I need to place another mouser order for some parts I'm short. They'll arrive in time for K16 and sample testing and I have bitcoins but not enough USD available due to FC4B going down.

If someone can help with arranging a sale or buying some bitcoin for ACH or PP, please PM me. I need about $100 USD for btc, but it would need to be someone I've had some contact with here and trust not to reverse it on PP.

Thx.

BKK - add a donation address to your signature pls. I wouldn't mind contributing and I'm pretty sure there will be others.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=190731.msg2447235#msg2447235 <--- right there baby.
4556  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Klondike - 16 chip ASIC Open Source Board - Preliminary on: June 13, 2013, 05:58:54 AM
Updated Today:

Pledge your chips Group#1 RagingAzn (JohnK Escrow) to BKK!

Code:
Pledged Chips to BKK

Bicknellski (540)
ryepdx (480)
spinner (256.41)
Enigma (40.00)
Noitev (592)
bigbeninlondon (20)
Vycid (128.21)
bassclef (95)
erschiessen (51.28)
Kushedout (300)
pierrejo (69.72)
SteveB (40)
dan99 (68.36)

Total 2680.98

2680.98 / 10000 chips = 0.268098  

0.268098 x 30 =  8.04294 ( 8 ) sample chips
4557  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Group Buy#1] Avalon ASICs CHIPS! Using JohnK as escrow! FINISHED! on: June 13, 2013, 05:56:54 AM
Code:
Pledged Chips to BKK

Bicknellski (540)
ryepdx (480)
spinner (256.41)
Enigma (40.00)
Noitev (592)
bigbeninlondon (20)
Vycid (128.21)
bassclef (95)
erschiessen (51.28)
Kushedout (300)
pierrejo (69.72)
SteveB (40)
dan99 (68.36)

Total 2680.98

2680.98 / 10000 chips = 0.268098   

0.268098    x 30 =  8.04294 ( 8 ) sample chips
4558  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [REFERENCE] Klondike DIYers Thread on: June 12, 2013, 04:43:07 PM
Anyone interested in working on a cut paste diy manual that we can all edit?

What about a wiki?

Thanks a bunch for starting this thread, super helpful.

Even better... can use the specification from the github to start it?
4559  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Group Buy#1] Avalon ASICs CHIPS! Using JohnK as escrow! FINISHED! on: June 12, 2013, 03:05:59 PM
Check the spreadsheet... someone didn't think it through. Should have made it impossible to do that oh well. I have exact chip numbers so I don't need to worry.
4560  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Klondike - 16 chip ASIC Open Source Board - Preliminary on: June 12, 2013, 02:44:18 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=177994.msg2451266#msg2451266

[Group Buy#1] Avalon ASICs CHIPS! Using JohnK as escrow! FINISHED!

Brothers and Sisters of the Group Buy  please pledge more chips to BKKCoins asap.

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All those supporting BKK please let me know and we can all support the shipping cost equally. Please give us a wallet address for shipping costs for BKKCoins only Raging.... also  Noitev we can reimburse you later if you like as we all should really split that shipping cost fairly.

I pledge whatever amount of chips I am supposed to be allotted to BKKCoins and I will keep track in this post. Please tell us what the shipping costs to Thailand will be?


Pledged Chips to BKK

Bicknellski (540)
Noitev (592)
bigbeninlondon (20)
Vycid (128.21)
bassclef (95)
erschiessen (51.28)
Kushedout (300)
pierrejo (69.72)
SteveB (40)
dan99 (68.36)

Total 1904.57

1904.57 / 10000 chips = 0.190457

0.190457 x 30 =  5.71371 (6) sample chips

We need to PM BKKCoins and coordinate shipping ASAP he can actually use even 1 chip if possible right now. Anyone else pledging chips for BKKCoins do so soon and let others know about it so we can get him more.
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