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4941  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Klondike Indonesia (Canadian Montessori Schools / Big Picture Montessori) on: May 20, 2013, 07:01:40 AM
No.

Sorry not to be rude but please let me decide what I want to do with my post on this. There are plenty of people who speak English in Indonesia and I will keep this bilingual so that I can link my posts in the Bahasa Indonesia section to have them follow here. It is also posted for others to get a look at what we are doing here in Indonesia so that they can compare.

4942  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Klondike Indonesia (Canadian Montessori Schools / Big Picture Montessori) on: May 20, 2013, 04:25:55 AM
xe.com/ucc/ <--- We are not selling outside Indonesia. If you feel the need to do quotations in USD for yourself feel free to use XE.

1,548,000.00 IDR   = 158.778 USD

XE Exchange Rate 1 IDR = 0.000102570 USD   1 USD = 9,749.45 IDR Mid-market rates: 2013-05-20 04:57 UTC


Note that in Indonesian notation of Rupiah (IDR) they use commas to separate the hierarchy of numbers into hundreds, thousands and millions and so on. Also note that they use the decimal to denote decimals rounded to tenths typically. So be careful posting your numbers above are inaccurate conversions please revise your post so there is no confusion. If you see anything I have missed out please let me know in terms of the board production costs.

------------------- Bahasa Indonesia -----------------

xe.com /ucc/ <--- Kami tidak menjual di luar Indonesia. Jika Anda merasa perlu untuk melakukan kutipan dalam USD untuk diri Anda merasa bebas untuk menggunakan XE.

1,548,000.00 IDR   = 158.778 USD

XE Exchange Rate 1 IDR = 0.000102570 USD   1 USD = 9,749.45 IDR Mid-market rates: 2013-05-20 04:57 UTC


Perhatikan bahwa dalam notasi Indonesia Rupiah (IDR) mereka menggunakan koma untuk memisahkan hirarki angka menjadi ratusan, ribuan dan jutaan dan seterusnya. Juga mencatat bahwa mereka menggunakan desimal untuk menunjukkan desimal dibulatkan ke persepuluh biasanya. Jadi berhati-hatilah Anda posting nomor di atas adalah konversi akurat silahkan merevisi posting Anda sehingga tidak ada kebingungan. Jika Anda melihat apa yang saya telah melewatkan tolong beritahu saya dalam hal biaya produksi papan.
4943  Bitcoin / Hardware / UPDATES on: May 20, 2013, 03:39:30 AM
[Reserved for Updates]

Update  7/07/2013

We are working with Big Picture Mining Cooperative in a large production run possibly starting in July/August. Sales will be local and world wide. As a result this thread and the site will be closed and new thread for the Big Picture Mining Cooperative will be started.

Update  23/06/2013

We have found a fabricator in Batam as well. We will be posting more information about their prices soon.

Update  09/06/2013

Updated prices on the website. Developer chips are shipping.

Update  06/06/2013

Avalon Chip Group buy 500 FRC/chip! 8,985 left

http://www.freicoin.org/post4668.html#p4668

Also in talks with Indonesian based groups to do a group buy 10,000 chips for production of full miners. 780 BTC required.

Update  05/06/2013

BKKCoins Update on K1

Latest status - waiting for K1 test boards to arrive. They were shipped on May 30th. so should be here in a few days. I'm setting up a prototype board to test firmware while waiting for the K1s. Until today I was waiting on PIC chips to come in. Some of the firmware code has been tested and scoped by choaztc and is working but even if I get fully functional firmware I'm still going to be waiting on Avalon samples to test/verify against, and those appear to be a couple-few weeks out.

I don't have spare Avalon chips ordered to make K1 sales with. I know of a few forum members who have chips and are waiting on final boards to produce a ready-to-use product, either on their own or with me providing boards or assembly (K1 only). So I think by the time chips begin arriving there will be options for those who want a plug n play K1 experience. At some point, when more certainty is available, pre-orders will be opened and jumping on that will be best bet for early on product.

Update  30/05/2013

So we can come up with a tentative timeline for Indonesian Klondike production:

BKKCoins receives his samples in late June or early July.
Prototype boards are tested and passed hopefully in July / August.
Orders for more chips made in July.
Gerbers are released and production starts in Indonesia for test boards in August.
25 -100 Board run for Indonesian Market September / October ready.

I may be interested in working in between 15 to 65 more boards in the AUGUST run but only if others ship me the chips and come to Jakarta and pick up the finished boards. Please PM or email me if you are interested in that arrangement but you would need a minimum of 5 boards or 80 Avalon chips.

Update  25/05/2013

We have made some inquiries into the Modular Python Bitcoin Miner and how it can be made ready for the Klondike boards that will be made here in Indonesia. When we are closer to testing a prototype we will get more information but we are very keen on using MPBM for the Klondike as it is a wonderful interface and as I own 3 X6500 fgpa miners that run it, I have found it very stable and easier for novice users which could be the case for Indonesian buyers. There are also plans by BKKCoins to adapt CGminer. We are also willing to support efforts by any other miner software developers.

Update  23/05/2013

The boards will have a 20,000.00 IDR developer royalty added that goes directly to the BKKCoins.

Update  22/05/2013

Website will be ready in:

http://www.bigpicturemining.asia/products.html

Update  21/05/2013

PCB fab house will ship BOM items from Singapore at a 15% Premium directly from Mouser etc.

Cost per assembled Klondike board: 135,700.00 Rp.

Additional PCB board material cost:  Yet to be determined.

Updated pricing per K16 is: 1,565,700.00 IDR


Update  20/05/2013

Only a extremely rough preliminary production estimate for 1 x Klondike 16 with chips with heat sink: 1,548,000.00 IDR

-------------------------------------------------
Pembaruan 2013/07/07

Kami bekerja sama dengan Koperasi Pertambangan Big Picture dalam produksi besar menjalankan kemungkinan mulai bulan Juli / Agustus. Penjualan akan lokal dan di seluruh dunia. Akibatnya thread ini dan situs akan ditutup dan benang baru untuk Koperasi Pertambangan Gambaran Besar akan dimulai.

Pembaruan 2013/23/09

Kami telah menemukan fabricator di Batam juga. Kami akan posting informasi lebih lanjut tentang harga mereka segera.

Pembaruan 2013/06/09

Diperbarui harga website. Chip pengembang adalah pengiriman.

Pembaruan  06/06/2013

Avalon Chip Grup membeli 500 FRC / keping! 8985 kiri

Juga dalam pembicaraan dengan kelompok-kelompok berbasis di Indonesia untuk melakukan kelompok membeli 10.000 chip untuk produksi penambang penuh. 780 BTC diperlukan.

Pembaruan  05/06/2013

BKKCoins memperbarui K1

Status Terbaru - menunggu K1 papan tes tiba. Mereka dikirim pada 30 Mei. jadi seharusnya berada di sini dalam beberapa hari. Aku menyiapkan papan prototipe untuk menguji firmware sambil menunggu K1S. Sampai hari ini saya sedang menunggu pada chip PIC untuk masuk Beberapa kode firmware telah diuji dan scoped oleh choaztc dan bekerja tapi bahkan jika saya mendapatkan firmware berfungsi penuh saya masih akan menunggu sampel Avalon untuk menguji / memverifikasi melawan, dan mereka muncul untuk menjadi pasangan-minggu beberapa keluar.

Saya tidak memiliki chip cadang Avalon diperintahkan untuk membuat K1 penjualan dengan. Saya tahu dari beberapa anggota forum yang memiliki chip dan sedang menunggu di papan akhir untuk menghasilkan siap menggunakan produk, baik sendiri atau dengan saya menyediakan papan atau perakitan (K1 saja). Jadi saya pikir pada saat chip mulai tiba akan ada pilihan bagi mereka yang ingin plug n play K1 pengalaman. Pada titik tertentu, ketika lebih kepastian tersedia, pre-order akan dibuka dan melompat yang akan terbaik bagi awal produk.

Pembaruan 30/05/2013

Jadi kita bisa datang dengan waktu tentatif untuk produksi Klondike Indonesia:

BKKCoins menerima sampel nya pada akhir Juni atau awal Juli.
Papan prototipe diuji dan lulus mudah-mudahan pada bulan Juli / Agustus.
Pesanan untuk lebih banyak chip yang dibuat pada bulan Juli.
Gerbers dilepaskan dan produksi dimulai di Indonesia untuk papan tes pada bulan Agustus.
25 -100 Dewan dijalankan untuk Pasar Indonesia September / Oktober siap.

Saya mungkin tertarik bekerja di antara 15-65 papan lebih dalam jangka AGUSTUS tetapi hanya jika orang lain kapal saya keripik dan datang ke Jakarta dan mengambil papan selesai. Silahkan PM atau email saya jika Anda tertarik dalam pengaturan yang tetapi Anda akan membutuhkan minimal 5 papan atau 80 Avalon chip.

Pembaruan 25/05/2013

Kami telah membuat beberapa pertanyaan ke Modular Python Bitcoin Miner dan bagaimana hal itu dapat dibuat siap untuk papan Klondike yang akan dibuat di Indonesia. Ketika kita lebih dekat untuk menguji prototipe kita akan mendapatkan informasi lebih tapi kami sangat tertarik untuk menggunakan MPBM untuk Klondike karena merupakan antarmuka yang indah dan seperti yang saya sudah memiliki 3 X6500 fgpa penambang yang menjalankannya, saya telah menemukan itu sangat stabil dan mudah bagi pengguna pemula yang bisa menjadi kasus untuk pembeli Indonesia. Ada juga rencana untuk beradaptasi dengan BKKCoins CGminer. Kami juga bersedia untuk mendukung upaya oleh pengembang perangkat lunak penambang lainnya.

Pembaruan 23/05/2013

Dewan akan memiliki 20,000.00 IDR royalti pengembang menambahkan bahwa pergi ke BKKCoins.

Pembaruan 22/05/2013

Situs web akan siap dalam:

http://www.bigpicturemining.asia/products.html

Pembaruan 21/05/2013

PCB fab rumah akan kapal bahan BOM dari Singapura pada 15% Premium langsung dari Mouser dll

Biaya per dirakit Klondike papan: 135,700.00 Rp.

Tambahan papan PCB biaya bahan: Namun harus ditentukan.

Updated harga per K16 adalah: 1,565,700.00 IDR

Pembaruan 20/05/2013

Hanya awal perkiraan produksi yang sangat kasar selama 1 x 16 Klondike dengan chip dengan heat sink: 1,548,000.00 IDR
4944  Bitcoin / Hardware / [ANN] Klondike Indonesia (Big Picture Mining Indonesia) on: May 20, 2013, 03:39:03 AM
Situation:

Bitcoin is relatively underdeveloped in Indonesia. There are no large mining farm operations and the market in Bitcoin is quite small. There is certainly a void currently in the market for miners that are produced locally. There are several PCB manufacturing operations that are subsidiaries of Japanese, Korean and Chinese PCB companies here in Indonesia. There are also large numbers of PCB designers coming out of the Universities in Indonesia so there are plenty of people to carry out the oversight and future development of Klondike Indonesia boards here. We are also keen on working and developing a strong and lasting relationship with BKKCoins in terms of licensing his design for production here in Indonesia and providing him royalties for each board that is sold.

Focus:

Currently there are no ASIC, FPGA mining rigs available in Indonesia other than DIY GPU's and a handful of purchased FPGAs. The Indonesian market for Bitcoin miners is limited although there are 1000's of people interested in Bitcoin and active in the community at various levels and this is growing every month. Import tariffs and delays for electronics is a prohibitive barrier for mining Bitcoin in Indonesia.

Response

Klondike Indonesia will fill the void by providing Indonesians with completed Klondike 1, 16, 64 and eventually K256 4U units with hot swap capable K16 / K64 boards. We have assessed the market and understand that there will at first be a limited market for miners. We will  provide locally made working miners so as to avoid importation tariffs and time delays that is the norm with Indonesian customs. Avalon chips will be ordered and delivered directly to our contracted PCB fabrication house. We will also be working with students at the Canadian Montessori School so they can learn about Cryptocurrencies and the students will be working on building a K16 that will be maintained as a student project at the school in the 2013/14 school year and beyond. Students will also learn about the production of Klondike boards and their ultimate sale here in Indonesia.

Evaluation

We will help create a new community of miners in Indonesia and we hope that will also help to diversify and secure the Bitcoin / Altcoin networks. We also see this as an excellent opportunity to support the local economy in Indonesia as well as providing educational opportunities for the students at Canadian Montessori Schools. To support the Bitcoin community we will not accept pre-orders and will produce units first, test that they function mining for 24 hours on the network and then box them up for sale so that customers can pay and take a unit. We do not offer shipping and customers can pay in Rupiah, Bitcoin or Freicoin.

Tentative Pricing

We have found one PCB factory in Indonesia that can build our Klondike boards. The price for the board productions is only a first price. We are still looking for better pricing in Indonesia for making Klondikes.

Cost for a 100 Klondike Board Run

First time set up costs: 900,000.00 IDR
Testing costs: 110,000.00 IDR
Total costs for production: 11,800,000.00 IDR 13,570,000.00 Rp.
Cost per assembled Klondike board: 118,000.00 IDR 135,700.00 Rp.
Cost per SMT part: 400.00 IDR  500.00 IDR
16 x Avalon QFN48 chips: 1,300,000.00 IDR
1 x 120 mm Fan: 50,000.00 IDR
1 x 90*90*18 mm Aluminum heat sink: 80,000.00 IDR
Board materials costs: Unknown
Developer Royalty: 20,000.00 IDR per board
Modular Python Bitcoin Miner Royalty: Burn in will be done via MPBM and pay the royalty fee.

This is only a guess but the cost of production could be:

Production Costs 1 x K16 with chips: 1,548,000.00 IDR 1,565,700.00 IDR  1,585,700.00 IDR

We are still not sure on shipping costs and other costs that might happen as we produce this product as well as our own additional costs to make a reasonable profit for developing the Klondike board here in Indonesia. We hope to price the product lower that what it would cost for importing similar boards and having something in stock as soon as we can that will be get these miners in Indonesian hands. We are still looking at September for these units to be available.

Retail Cost:

Klondike 1   -  "K1 Nano"

282 MH/s @ 2W
1 Avalon ASIC chip
BTC 0.50
FRC 3000
IDR 500,000
Available October 2013 only for in store purchases while in stock.
24 hour burn in testing

Klondike 16 - "K16"

4.512 GH/s  @ 32W
16 Avalon ASIC chips
BTC 5
FRC 40,000
IDR 4,000,000
Available October 2013 only for in store purchases while in stock.
24 hour burn in testing

* Doesn't include heat sink, power supply, stanchions or casing.

Klondike 64 - "K64"

18.048 GH/s @ 128W
64 Avalon ASIC chips
BTC 20
FRC 160,000
IDR 16,000,000
Built to order available in October / November 2013
24 hour burn in testing

* Customers need to buy and provide the Avalon chips for these units. These units do not come with heat sinks attached, power supply and stanchions. 50% up front 50% on delivery via escrow. Delivery, tariffs and insurance fees are not included. We also offer boards sans chips. Email for more details.

Klondike 256 - "K256 Gold Pan"

72.096 GH/s  @ 512W
256 Avalon ASIC chips
Rack Mounted 1U Server Chassis with 700 W PSU
BTC 99
FRC 700,000
IDR 70,000,000
Built to order available in October / November 2013
24 hour burn in testing


* Customers need to buy and provide the Avalon chips for these units. These units come with heat sinks attached, power supply and 1U rack mount casing. 50% up front 50% on delivery via escrow. There will be hosting of miners in local Tier 2 or Tier 3 data center. We also offer boards sans chips. Email for more details.

---------------------------- INDONESIAN --------------------------------

Situasi:

Bitcoin relatif terbelakang di Indonesia. Tidak ada operasi pertanian pertambangan besar dan pasar di Bitcoin cukup kecil. Tentu saja ada kekosongan saat ini di pasar untuk penambang yang diproduksi secara lokal. Ada beberapa operasi manufaktur PCB yang merupakan anak Jepang, Korea dan Cina PCB perusahaan di Indonesia. Ada juga sejumlah besar desainer PCB keluar dari Perguruan Tinggi di Indonesia sehingga ada banyak orang untuk melaksanakan pengawasan dan masa depan pengembangan Klondike papan sini. Kami juga tertarik pada bekerja dan mengembangkan hubungan yang kuat dan langgeng dengan BKKCoins dalam hal lisensi desain untuk produksi di Indonesia dan memberinya royalti untuk setiap papan yang dijual.

Fokus:

Saat ini tidak ada ASIC, FPGA rig pertambangan yang tersedia di Indonesia selain DIY GPU dan beberapa FPGA dibeli. Pasar Indonesia untuk Bitcoin penambang terbatas meskipun ada 1000 orang yang tertarik dalam Bitcoin dan aktif dalam masyarakat di berbagai tingkatan dan ini terus bertambah setiap bulan. Tarif impor dan penundaan untuk elektronik adalah penghalang penghalang untuk pertambangan Bitcoin di Indonesia.

Response

Klondike Indonesia akan mengisi kekosongan dengan menyediakan Indonesia dengan selesai Klondike 1, 16, 64 dan akhirnya K256 4U unit dengan hot swap mampu K16 / K64 papan. Kami telah melakukan penilaian pasar dan memahami bahwa akan ada pada awalnya menjadi pasar terbatas bagi penambang. Kami akan menyediakan buatan lokal penambang bekerja sehingga untuk menghindari impor tarif dan penundaan waktu itu adalah norma di pabean Indonesia. Chip Avalon akan dipesan dan dikirimkan langsung ke kami dikontrak PCB fabrikasi rumah. Kami juga akan bekerja sama dengan mahasiswa di Kanada Montessori School untuk belajar tentang Cryptocurrencies dan siswa akan bekerja pada membangun K16 yang akan dipertahankan sebagai proyek mahasiswa di sekolah. Siswa juga akan belajar tentang produksi Klondike papan dan penjualan akhir mereka di Indonesia.

Evaluasi

Kami akan membantu menciptakan komunitas baru para penambang di Indonesia dan kami berharap bahwa juga akan membantu untuk diversifikasi yang aman jaringan Bitcoin / Altcoin. Kami juga melihat ini kesempatan yang baik untuk mendukung ekonomi lokal di Indonesia serta memberikan kesempatan pendidikan bagi para siswa di Kanada Sekolah Montessori. Untuk mendukung komunitas Bitcoin kami tidak akan menerima pre-order dan akan menghasilkan unit pertama, uji bahwa mereka berfungsi pertambangan selama 24 jam pada jaringan dan kemudian kotak mereka untuk dijual sehingga pelanggan dapat membayar dan mengambil unit. Kami tidak menawarkan pengiriman dan pelanggan dapat membayar dalam Rupiah, Bitcoin atau Freicoin.

Tentatif Harga

Kami telah menemukan satu pabrik PCB di Indonesia yang dapat membangun papan Klondike kami. Harga untuk produksi papan hanya harga pertama. Kami masih mencari harga yang lebih baik di Indonesia untuk membuat Klondikes.

Biaya untuk 100 Klondike Dewan 'Run'

Pertama kali mengatur biaya: 900,000.00 IDR
Biaya pengujian: 110,000.00 IDR
Jumlah biaya untuk produksi: 11,800,000.00 IDR 13,570,000.00 Rp.
Biaya per dirakit Klondike papan: 118,000.00 IDR 135,700.00 Rp.
Biaya per TPS bagian: 400.00 IDR  500.00 IDR
16 x Avalon QFN48 chip: 1,300,000.00 IDR
1 x 120 mm Fan: 50,000.00 IDR
1 x 90*90*18 mm Aluminium heat sink 80,000.00 IDR
Dewan bahan biaya: Tidak diketahui
Royalti Pengembang: 20,000.00 IDR per papan
Modular Python Bitcoin Miner Royalti: Membakar in akan dilakukan melalui MPBM dan membayar biaya royalti.

Ini hanya menebak tetapi biaya produksi bisa:

Biaya Produksi 1 x K16 dengan chip: 1,548,000.00 IDR 1,565,700.00 IDR  1,585,700.00 IDR

Kami masih tidak yakin pada biaya pengiriman dan biaya lain yang mungkin terjadi seperti kami memproduksi produk ini serta tambahan biaya kita sendiri untuk membuat keuntungan yang wajar untuk mengembangkan papan Klondike di Indonesia. Kami berharap untuk harga produk yang lebih rendah bahwa apa yang akan biaya untuk mengimpor papan yang sama dan memiliki sesuatu dalam stok secepat kami bisa yang akan mendapatkan penambang ini di tangan Indonesia. Kami masih mencari di September untuk unit-unit ini akan tersedia.

Biaya Retail:

Klondike 1 - "K1 Nano"

282 MH / s @ 2W
1 Avalon ASIC chip
BTC 0.50
FRC 3000
Rp 500.000
Tersedia Oktober 2013 hanya dalam pembelian toko sementara di saham.
24 jam burn dalam pengujian

Klondike 16 - "K16"

4,512 GH / s @ 32W
16 Avalon chip ASIC
BTC 5
FRC 40.000
Rp 4.000.000
Tersedia Oktober 2013 hanya dalam pembelian toko sementara di saham.
24 jam burn dalam pengujian

* Tidak termasuk heat sink, power supply, kandang atau casing.

Klondike 64 - "K64"

18,048 GH / s @ 128W
64 Avalon chip ASIC
BTC 20
FRC 160.000
Rp 16.000.000
Dibangun untuk memesan tersedia pada bulan Oktober / November 2013
24 jam burn dalam pengujian

* Pelanggan harus membeli dan menyediakan chip Avalon untuk unit ini. Unit-unit ini tidak datang dengan heat sink terpasang, power supply dan kandang. 50% di depan 50% pada pengiriman melalui escrow. Pengiriman, tarif dan biaya asuransi yang tidak termasuk. Kami juga menawarkan papan sans chip. Email untuk lebih jelasnya.

Klondike 256 - "K256 Gold Pan"

72,096 GH / s @ 512W
256 Avalon chip ASIC
Rack Mounted 1U Server Chassis dengan 700 W PSU
BTC 99
FRC 700.000
Rp 70.000.000
Dibangun untuk memesan tersedia pada bulan Oktober / November 2013
24 jam burn dalam pengujian


* Pelanggan harus membeli dan menyediakan chip Avalon untuk unit ini. Unit ini datang dengan heat sink terpasang, power supply dan casing 1U rack mount. 50% di depan 50% pada pengiriman melalui escrow. Ada akan menjadi tuan penambang di 2 Tier lokal atau data center Tier 3. Kami juga menawarkan papan sans chip. Email untuk lebih jelasnya.
4945  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Bahasa Indonesia on: May 20, 2013, 03:03:01 AM
Kami telah menemukan satu pabrik PCB di Indonesia yang dapat membangun papan Klondike kami. Harga untuk produksi papan hanya harga pertama. Kami masih mencari harga yang lebih baik di Indonesia untuk membuat Klondikes.

100 Klondike Board

Pertama kali mengatur biaya: Rp. 900.000
Biaya pengujian: Rp. 110.000  
Jumlah biaya untuk produksi: Rp 11.800.000.
Biaya per Klondike papan: Rp. 118.000
Biaya per TPS bagian Rp. 400  
16 x Avalon QFN48 chip: Rp 1.300.000
1 x 120mm Fan: 50.000 Rp.
1 x 90x90x18mm Aluminium heat sink Rp. 80.000

Ini hanya menebak tetapi biaya produksi bisa:

Biaya Produksi 1 x Klondike dengan chip: Rp. 1.548.000

Kami masih tidak yakin pada biaya pengiriman dan biaya lain yang mungkin terjadi seperti kami memproduksi produk ini serta tambahan biaya kita sendiri untuk membuat keuntungan yang wajar untuk mengembangkan papan Klondike di Indonesia. Kami berharap untuk harga produk yang lebih rendah bahwa apa yang akan biaya untuk mengimpor papan yang sama dan memiliki sesuatu dalam stok secepat kami bisa yang akan mendapatkan penambang ini di tangan Indonesia. Kami masih mencari di September untuk unit-unit ini akan tersedia.

Biaya Retail: Rp. Huh?

We have found one PCB factory in Indonesia that can build our Klondike boards. The price for the board productions is only a first price. We are still looking for better pricing in Indonesia for making Klondikes.


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100 Klondike Boards

First time set up costs: 900,000 Rp.
Testing costs: 110,000 Rp.
Total costs for production: 11,800,000 Rp.
Cost per Klondike board: 118,000 Rp.
Cost per SMT part 400 Rp.
16 x Avalon QFN48 chips: Rp. 1.300.000
1 x 120mm Fan: Rp. 50,000
1 x 90x90x18mm Aluminum heat sink Rp. 80.000

This is only a guess but the cost of production could be:

Production Costs 1 x Klondike: Rp.

We are still not sure on shipping costs and other costs that might happen as we produce this product as well as our own additional costs to make a reasonable profit for developing the Klondike board here in Indonesia. We hope to price the product lower that what it would cost for importing similar boards and having something in stock as soon as we can that will be get these miners in Indonesian hands. We are still looking at September for these units to be available.

Retail Cost: Rp. Huh?
4946  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Freicoin - Difficulty Adjustment Algorithm updated [HARD-FORK @ block #28476] on: May 19, 2013, 07:31:20 AM
how is this stickied?

I tend to sticky threads such as these when people need to know about a mandatory update by a certain time. It will be unstickied after block 28476. By the way, what block is FRC on now?

We still need a STICKY here... 20 BLOCKS yet to go... more people need to see this before the deadline... please RESTICKY!
4947  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [FRC] - Difficulty Adjustment fork moved closer! [HARD-FORK @ block #28336!] on: May 19, 2013, 07:26:55 AM
Start hashin'

Seriously, blocks are coming in that far apart. That's why we're changing the difficulty adjustment algorithm. Current block is #28316.

STALLED....

Urgg wish I had more hash to throw at this beatch!
4948  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL Forced "On Hold For Refund" for all my Single SC orders on: May 19, 2013, 06:21:08 AM
Number of BFL units delivered?

Number of changes to the delivery plans?

Number of changes to the design of the units?

If that is scare mongering then why bother asking any questions at all?

If you are not questioning or seeking answers to the questions above then I suspect you are simply willing to donate your money to BFL for units with no defined specifications or delivery dates. That is ok for those who are already "bought" into this system but that doesn't mean others should simply ignore the facts as BFL presented them and ignore it. There is certainly nothing wrong with being part of this community and giving a FAIR WARNING to others out there. What I do not understand is why anyone already in the system would care if others are warned off BFL products? Considering the current backlog of orders creating more of a backlog could bring the threat of legal action. investigation into the mix and it might work to collapse BFL. The only reason why a "customer" of BFL would be defending an increase in sales is ensure that there is enough of a cash flow so they will get their units and screw those who are being fooled into believing they are going to get units in July or August. That is disingenuous at best or fraud and those who advocate shutting up those who are voicing concern about BFL's lack of delivery, changing specification and redesigns as well as the shipping changes etc etc etc are to me complicit in this fraud.

You should be scared to order from BFL they have not delivered anything yet.
4949  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: BFL is shipping on: May 18, 2013, 02:25:26 PM
We are doing this to be sure everyone is aware of the power issue (and to a lesser extent the size issue re Jalapeno/Single) with the product and accepts the changed specs.  If not, we will happily refund your money, since you may have ordered a product with different specs than what we are forced to send. 

Fail.
4950  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Klondike - 16 chip ASIC Open Source Board - Preliminary on: May 18, 2013, 02:20:30 PM
Dear BkkCoins,

I am watching this thread and your project closely and I stopped by to demonstrate my respect for your work.

When I agreed to fund chips for distribution to DIY folks and supporting Open Source projects, this was exactly what I hoped to enable. Working Open Source does not only mean throwing some documents to GitHub - it also implies you personal openness to listen to your supporters and consider resulting ideas. Having so many contributors actively following you is your ultimate proof that you did everything right.


I would be glad if the 10 BTC I just sent to your address (1BvpJvejSmtWjuDfytZL5HTBUjoXokazp9) could help you to at least cover some expenses on your way to a working prototype. Let me know when you need more. Additionally, I have you on my list for projects to receive a portion of the chip samples (so no need to destroy working Avalons for that, folks).

As my potential contribution to this project, I might be able to win a very experienced and skilled developer to design a custom water-cooling block for Klondike that will also be released as open source. Please PM me as soon as your time allows to provide the relevant technical specs.


Best of Luck,
zefir

Tip o' hat to Zefir

+1

Agreed
4951  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Freicoin: demurrage crypto-currency from the Occupy movement (crowdfund) on: May 18, 2013, 01:57:57 PM
Yea, I really dislike the idea of a "foundation" in both this currency and devcoin (I think? If I'm understanding it right that is...)

Who's to say the foundation doesn't just cashout all of their freicoins into another currency?
You are. Foundation coins will only be spent as part of a community vetted process.  You can join the conversation at freicoin.org.
I spoke out against centralization earlier in the project and my voice was drowned out by louder voices in favor. It's like arguing about a Wikipedia article.

If you really like Freicoin EXCEPT for the foundation, you'll have an easier time just forking it. If I wanted to argue about how my own money was spent on my behalf, I'd go to city hall.

Or you can just simply refuse to mine it and avoid city hall, the whole debate and leave others to do the heavy lifting right?
4952  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Freicoin: demurrage crypto-currency from the Occupy movement (crowdfund) on: May 18, 2013, 01:43:44 PM
Is there any reason to believe that the ROI, when measured in BTC, won't be negative?

No, not at all. Here's how it will work:
  • collect lots of $$$$$ from donations
  • release the shitcoin and mine it for some time to collect lots of freicoins
  • release promotional materials to create demand for freicoins
  • dump freicoins and disappear


Ummm still not seeing this happen... were you wrong?
4953  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Freicoin: demurrage crypto-currency from the Occupy movement (crowdfund) on: May 18, 2013, 01:13:09 PM
Please close this thread it's retarded.


Really? What a Moron.
4954  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: I have 5 posts now and 16hrs login time, why I am still a newbie on: May 18, 2013, 12:56:23 PM
I think this newbie regulation is a crock. 

Agreed.
4955  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Klondike - 16 chip ASIC Open Source Board - Preliminary on: May 18, 2013, 12:21:21 PM
computer aided design...

I am neither savvy nor skilled in CAD. Hope someone out there will with the spare time can do this. A stencil design for soldering be nice as well for the land area and the chip itself. That way we can try different companies all over the world possibly find a cheaper metal stencil that we can all order directly. The chip stencil could be bulk ordered now as it won't change at all.
4956  Bitcoin / Hardware / That's enough. I'm done with BFL on: May 18, 2013, 12:01:58 PM
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/2697-thats-enough-im-done-bfl.html <--- Have the flood gates for refunds started?
4957  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Butterflylabs Huge SCAM on: May 18, 2013, 11:54:56 AM
The problem I have with BFL is that even though they couldn't be more behind, they're still actively advertising. Give me a break.

Why would they do that one must ponder?
4958  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL Forced "On Hold For Refund" for all my Single SC orders on: May 18, 2013, 11:28:54 AM
Tell me, what does it feel like to be "stupid"? Is it painless? Does it hurt at all (especially around the head area)?

2 nil - you are cooking man - warning - others will have an asic soon

Hey did you hear Puetro has 60 GH/s happily mining away but actually it is more like what 68? Right ?... wonder where he got that? Right AVALON... the only company to deliver.

If you want I can keep bragging for him if you want?

4959  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Klondike - 16 chip ASIC Open Source Board - Preliminary on: May 18, 2013, 11:15:32 AM
People following this thread with C.A.D. skills can do several heat sink designs and do the heat dissipation calculations for them?
Whether they are passive and with fans as well could be helpful right?

That way we could come up with the ideal profiles for the K16 / K64's and solutions for stacking.

I have been scouring AliExpress for VGA/GPU heat sinks with fans, older CPU heat sinks with fans and water blocks for CPU's and GPU's that might work with the 100*100mm profile available. There are definitely a lot of after market or in stock items that could be sitting on shelves right now that could be bought and fit this design or retrofitted given some good ideas.

4960  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Klondike - 16 chip ASIC Open Source Board - Preliminary on: May 18, 2013, 10:47:36 AM
I am speaking with manufacturers to have heatsinks made for the Klondike board. Having heatsinks made is going to be less expensive than purchasing and modifying any current solution. I need to know who is planning on purchasing boards, what quantity, and whether or not they would want a heatsink.

Specs are:
100x100x25mm
3mm base
1mm fins
2mm spacing
6000 series aluminum
4 mounting holes drilled, located in center of each 4 chip group.
Flat base/underside

This is a one time deal. Enough heatsinks need to be purchased to cover all the boards, with a few extra. Purchasing additional heatsinks in low quantity will be prohibitively expensive. These heatsinks will not be made available to the general public. They will only be made available to those offering bulk purchasing as I cannot sell these piecemeal. I will be offering as part of a package to those who purchase chips through me.

Group buy coordinators, Large private buyers, and Klondike resellers need to contact me ASAP.

Think people need to do heat sinks in local context. Larger orders shipped world wide going to get expensive for weight right? I am looking in Indonesia for a supplier for my boards. Might be smart for those with larger orders of boards to simply put heat sinks on after getting them.

Also there will be a variety of possible heat sink even water block options you may even try as a DIY or retro fit solution. What I am doing myself is to track down the following:

1. Heat Sink suppliers in my region.
2. PCB fabricators / assembly in my area.
3. PSU suppliers in my city.
4. Rack mount server case suppliers in my city.

If you are just making a few boards then you can also look at options for re-flowing the chips yourself in terms of finding the following:

5. Soldering / Reflow stations (Heat Gun / Solder Iron Combo).
6. Re-flow oven.
7. Stencils for the QFN 48 that would match the specification for the chip.

If you are not the DIY type then I suspect you need to check with those of us who are going to assemble full working boards and get in line or wait for us to complete our work.

Personally I am simply going to park and watch BKKcoins do his stuff. He will go through all of this carefully and when he is ready he will release this project to the wind and we will all be ready and I suspect just waiting for chips to REFLOW to Klondike boards from K1 to K64. What we all can be doing right now is our research and lining up our suppliers / fabrication etc or DIY getting all the required equipment you may need to do this.

Nothing wrong with getting your ducks in a row right now but really we have to sit back and wait patiently for the next 2 weeks as BKKCoins has some fun solving this puzzle he has created. I wish him the best of luck... no pressure right?  Grin

Might be good if those who are starting up assembly have their threads and speculate there on heat sinks, psu's etc that way you can localize your builds and get suppliers that are well known and respected. I am really doing a lot of that right now and it isn't easy to find the right people and I am hopeful I can find the right people and companies well before BKKCoins has finished testing a prototype and shown us some hash rates. We are a long long way off really but that is great because everyone here especially those who will want to build Klondikes can get everything in place ready for us to kick start this bitch into action as soon as BKKcoins gives us the ok.
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