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do we pay for shipping once devices are ready to ship out?
Dunno, people keep talking about shipping but I can't find anything about it in the OP. This is mighty confusing. |
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They will need to have atleast few chips to test the chip itself. They must get a lot data from the actual chip - how can they ship a product to end-user that includes a chip that has only been simulated?
If they don't have chips to test yet, they will be late. Just like Bitfurys chip differed from the simulations kinda lot. Same with BFL. How would it be different with KNC? Really?
Valid point, bad comparison. Bitfury is playing in it's own league, being full custom ASIC. And we all know BFL didn't have realisting expectations for their chips. Existing standard cell designs: 110nm = 8Gh/W (AM) 65nm = 4Gh/W (BFL) 28nm = ?? KnC sits on the right spot with their estimate of 1.8Gh/W so if only their chips work they should be good  Calling Bitfury an amateur is pretty rude IMO. BFL was a custom ASIC, and all your figures are wrong. Avalon/AM 0.133GHs/W BFL 0.157 GHs/Watt KNC 0.8GHs/Watt Bitfury 1GHs/Watt Obviously if you overclock the figures will drop, and KNC say they have understated their performance, so it should be closer to Bitfury performance. |
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I've got to say, maybe cutting some of the crap coins will help with the constant lag on the site. Time for that upgrade already! Not being able to sell at the moment you need to kind of defeats the purpose of a trading site.
How do you define a crap coin? My suggestion would be to determine what should be removed by average daily volume. What that threshold is, I don't know. In which case we should lobby Cryptsy to include the volumes of both coins that comprise the trade pair in the Market List, ATM the table only shows the volumes of the alt and price over various time periods, not the volume of BTC or LTC it has been traded for, so we can't judge relative coin performance easily. |
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I've got to say, maybe cutting some of the crap coins will help with the constant lag on the site. Time for that upgrade already! Not being able to sell at the moment you need to kind of defeats the purpose of a trading site.
How do you define a crap coin? |
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There are +20coins on cryptsy that are scams,crap. So whats your point again?  I believe his point was that those 20+ crap coins need to be removed from the market place to make room in the market for both adding new coins that have a chance to succeed, and giving already good coins the chance to reclaim the market value they have lost since all these crapcoins were added and then diluted the market values of all coins on the exchange. How do you define a crap coin? |
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I have been watching the new diff corrections on the block explorer for the last half an hour, it's looking good, Coinchoose had GME as #1 profitability against LTC a little while ago and it didn't get smashed into high diff lock like before, it did a small adjustment and fell back to #2 which took the heat off. Then it hit #1 again and went to about 50GH/s this time, so it will still overshoot a bit, I expect up to about 1.5 and then down to just below 1.0. Should be not too painful, of course with a higher base of miners that would improve things too. Hopefully they will come when they see that the coin doesn't high diff lock as much anymore.
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add LK7 +1, and ASC, SAV, TEK, TGC +1, and ASC, SAV, TGC Yeah this isn't suspicious. "+1, and ASC, SAV, TEK, TGC" followed by a "+1, and ASC, SAV, TGC" -- notice the "+1, and" portion -- this doesn't even make sense. These are all the same people. Go back and look -- ssshhh123 registered July 30th and all posts are regarding giveaways or getting these scam coins added to an exchange. You may notice ssshhh123 was also pushing for ELP and VLC to be added. These people are all in the scam (it's possible that they're all the same person, actually) -- same dev is throwing all of this crap together. ASC, SAV, TEK, TGC, and VLC should not be traded on any exchanges. It's obviously too late for ELP since Cryptsy already listed it...so whatever. It doesn't take a master detective to figure this out. Do not list these coins -- the future stability of the altcoin market depends on improving your judgment. The same dev can make a dozen coins if he wants to, I fail to see your point. Each coin has it's own followers and may be popular or not. Your conspiracy theories are irrelevant. Suggesting a dev should only make one coin and the rest are a scam is just FUD. Your argument would be valid if the dev came out and clearly identified himself before making each coin. Don't post nonsense and add to the nonsense in much of this forum. There's a difference when Sunny King starts both PPC and XPM or when Baritus starts DGC and SRC versus username Growthcoin, Valuecoin, CryptoBuck, PeopleCoin or whatever coin name forum user, comes out and starts a coin and tries to be a different person with a different dev 'team' each time. That's called deceit. And hence, a scammer. My argument is perfectly valid. You just want devs to behave YOUR way that's all, or you try and discredit the coin as a scam. So pathetic. Like I said the coins will have their own following, some will succeed others will not, what is low volume will eventually get ditched from Cryptsy to conserve resources. Survival of the fittest. You are officially part of the problem, man. You are officially part of my ignore list. Please stop polluting this Cryptsy thread with your value judgements and rants on coin devs, go start your own thread. |
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add LK7 +1, and ASC, SAV, TEK, TGC +1, and ASC, SAV, TGC Yeah this isn't suspicious. "+1, and ASC, SAV, TEK, TGC" followed by a "+1, and ASC, SAV, TGC" -- notice the "+1, and" portion -- this doesn't even make sense. These are all the same people. Go back and look -- ssshhh123 registered July 30th and all posts are regarding giveaways or getting these scam coins added to an exchange. You may notice ssshhh123 was also pushing for ELP and VLC to be added. These people are all in the scam (it's possible that they're all the same person, actually) -- same dev is throwing all of this crap together. ASC, SAV, TEK, TGC, and VLC should not be traded on any exchanges. It's obviously too late for ELP since Cryptsy already listed it...so whatever. It doesn't take a master detective to figure this out. Do not list these coins -- the future stability of the altcoin market depends on improving your judgment. The same dev can make a dozen coins if he wants to, I fail to see your point. Each coin has it's own followers and may be popular or not. Your conspiracy theories are irrelevant. Suggesting a dev should only make one coin and the rest are a scam is just FUD. Your argument would be valid if the dev came out and clearly identified himself before making each coin. Don't post nonsense and add to the nonsense in much of this forum. There's a difference when Sunny King starts both PPC and XPM or when Baritus starts DGC and SRC versus username Growthcoin, Valuecoin, CryptoBuck, PeopleCoin or whatever coin name forum user, comes out and starts a coin and tries to be a different person with a different dev 'team' each time. That's called deceit. And hence, a scammer. My argument is perfectly valid. You just want devs to behave YOUR way that's all, or you try and discredit the coin as a scam. So pathetic. Like I said the coins will have their own following, some will succeed others will not, what is low volume will eventually get ditched from Cryptsy to conserve resources. Survival of the fittest. |
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add LK7 +1, and ASC, SAV, TEK, TGC +1, and ASC, SAV, TGC Yeah this isn't suspicious. "+1, and ASC, SAV, TEK, TGC" followed by a "+1, and ASC, SAV, TGC" -- notice the "+1, and" portion -- this doesn't even make sense. These are all the same people. Go back and look -- ssshhh123 registered July 30th and all posts are regarding giveaways or getting these scam coins added to an exchange. You may notice ssshhh123 was also pushing for ELP and VLC to be added. These people are all in the scam (it's possible that they're all the same person, actually) -- same dev is throwing all of this crap together. ASC, SAV, TEK, TGC, and VLC should not be traded on any exchanges. It's obviously too late for ELP since Cryptsy already listed it...so whatever. It doesn't take a master detective to figure this out. Do not list these coins -- the future stability of the altcoin market depends on improving your judgment. The same dev can make a dozen coins if he wants to, I fail to see your point. Each coin has it's own followers and may be popular or not. Your conspiracy theories are irrelevant. Suggesting a dev should only make one coin and the rest are a scam is just FUD. |
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I can't get logged on. 2auth is sending emails so slow, that by the time I get it, the login won't work anymore  The Cryptsy outgoing mail provider mailgun sux, after having successfully received countless withdrawal confirmation emails for several months, last week is suddenly stops working. Many support tickets later some vague explanation of a DNS issue with no specific details, so I can't attend to the problem. The work around was to set up an address @hushmail.com to receive confirmations. In my books that's not a satisfactory resolution to the problem, and I am not surprised that other are experiencing quirks with the mailgun service. Mind you, had absolutely no problem receiving the support emails as they don't go via mailgun! |
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It's not very hard to tell, just go to BTC-e and click on each coin pair to see which has the best daily trade volume, do that for a week or two and you have your answer.
If you want to pick the winner in the next tier, then do the same procedure on Cryptsy.
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+SAV
SavingCoin please
I'm urging you not to add SavingCoin -- at this point, these junk coins are devaluing this entire market. Each time one of these things is added, the same dev and his buddies are dumping their holdings and moving on to the next scam. By listing these coins, investors are losing trust in the entire market. Notice how the ELP thread completely died the second ELP was listed on Cryptsy? No more daily bumps/etc -- all of those goons dumped their ELP into the laps of unsuspecting investors and moved on. This same scam is happening over and over again...and the SAV people are the exact same ELP people. Elephantcoin is now in the bottom 5 for mining profitability (just as I predicted.) There's no way you made enough money listing ELP to make it worth discouraging anyone that bought ELP from trading/investing in altcoins. You're shooting yourself in the foot! I know you're in this for profit...but your profits will start to suffer if people (completely) stop taking altcoins seriously. At this rate, we're merely a few months away from the bottom potentially falling out here. It's already growing difficult to mine for a profit after power costs...and part of the reason is that these garbage coins keep getting listed on Cryptsy. As soon as I'm losing money, I'm going to stop mining...and most big miners will follow. You have to draw a line now -- we need to see some innovation in order to list a currency on Cryptsy and not just the same crap over and over again. You can't let these idiots continue to get away with ripping everyone else off. I'm telling you...if you think you have a good thing going here and want the success to continue...either take my advice or brace for impact. PM me if you need more details. For every seller there is a buyer, the coins just dont go out of circulation because miners get rid of them. When a coin becomes unprofitable to mine, the difficulty drops to I prove it's profitability again, with the exception of coins like CHNcoin that get stuck at high diff for months (there is a fork coming to fix that) most of the coins are roughly similar, they have their groups of fans that keep trading. If trade dies, then eventually Cryptsy will drop the coin to remove clutter, so I wouldn't worry right now. |
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you seem to be completely dicounting power usage and price. A 'home rig' may cost $0.09-0.19/kWh while a hosted rig at a data center will cost $0.03-0.09/kWh. a few dollars a day per rig, plus shared AC costs, means that hosting a 100 units on cheap power provides enough savings for all your above gripes (rental, techguy, etc)
I know that by paying less than 10c/kWh where I am, that it gives me a decent leg up over much of the USA's home miners, because the power usage will become more important than the hashrate very soon
Have you ever operated a commercial data center? I have, they cost a lot to run, and it varies from location to location, you can't generalize and say data center electricity is $0.03-0.09/kWh. for every watt of mining power, you use a watt of aircon/lights etc. Data center racks are some of the most expensive real estate on the planet per sq. ft. http://www.electronics-cooling.com/2007/02/in-the-data-center-power-and-cooling-costs-more-than-the-it-equipment-it-supports/ |
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Hello people.
I made a patch to CNC difficulty adjustment algorithm.
It'll be retargeting every block by a small percentage, just like in PPCoin and Novacoin.
If it's ok, the hard fork is planned for Oct 1. The previous update made 2 months ago planned a fork for block 60500, with current hasrate it would take years to reach.
I'll publish my repo later.
Yes, block 60,500 is a crazy target, way too far off to be practical. You will have to get places like Cryptsy, Bter, BigVern's pool, to run with it. All references to the source on the net point to the Chinese code and not your fork. Ideally you should try an PM the devs or at least the use CHNcoin on this forum let them know what you are doing. Not sure if Oct 1st. is enough time for all that. |
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I would actually like to see the SHA256 coin ASC on Cryptsy. It's currently on coinex.pw and trading better than ZET.
With the huge diff increases on BTC, people with small ASICs like Block Erupter sticks and Jalapenos are looking for alternatives to mine, so there is some action starting on SHA256 alts.
OSC would trade better than both of them combine. hell nanotokens even traded better than both of them combined so the bar isn' t that high. i believe OSC to be superior to both in everyway. I do support Zet though and mine it on occasion. not ASC though. harldy any though put into it at all. Bragging is the cheapest thing to do, NAN is dead in a miserable way, and put cryptsy in a very bad situation because it traded NAN. You now invented another NAN with a better name. Does OSC worth anything, does it worth any more than ASC? We can see once they hit exchange. Bragging and bashing here will only give you opposite effect. I have a couple of obvious issues with OSC, firstly it had a large pre-mine, secondly "Coins must remain in your wallet for 1 year to generate stake" means a reduction in trade not an increase for someone like Cryptsy if people are encouraged to hold onto coins. But time will tell, the more SHA256 options the merrier. |
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Of course, you're not just paying for a piece of silicon wafer, but also for the months of design work, the cost of the mask set, as well as a risk premium.
Trust me, most of us are comfortable with that. I'm more uncomfortable with the fact that the prices are staying set right at the ragged edge of profitability, and they're higher than they were originally announced to be. There is no headroom in the chip pricing, all sorts of unknowns creep in when you are trying to make boards, then you add the fact that the ROI mostly governed by the price of one component, and you enter a high risk scenario. I think the future of ASIC is small home rigs with no aircon and other overheads, exactly where many of the independent board designs are focused. I may be wrong, but it looks like how BTC difficulty works, it leaves no room for the cost of aircon, data center rental, and staff all of which the small home rig avoids by subsidy of normal living. I don't see the big farms at Bitfury's future clients unless they intend to wind up chip production and retire when the farms eventually become unprofitable. |
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I would actually like to see the SHA256 coin ASC on Cryptsy. It's currently on coinex.pw and trading better than ZET.
With the huge diff increases on BTC, people with small ASICs like Block Erupter sticks and Jalapenos are looking for alternatives to mine, so there is some action starting on SHA256 alts.
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Just tried them on a Mac Mini with Snow Leopard and a single Block Erupter USB, give the USB timeout errors: [2013-09-17 14:00:28] AMU0: TIMEOUT GetResults took 1999ms but was 100ms
[2013-09-17 14:00:30] AMU0: TIMEOUT GetResults took 1999ms but was 100ms
[2013-09-17 14:00:32] AMU0: TIMEOUT GetResults took 1999ms but was 100ms
[2013-09-17 14:00:34] AMU0: TIMEOUT GetResults took 1999ms but was 100ms
[2013-09-17 14:00:36] AMU0: TIMEOUT GetResults took 1999ms but was 100ms
[2013-09-17 14:00:37] Stratum from pool 0 detected new block
[2013-09-17 14:00:38] AMU0: TIMEOUT GetResults took 1998ms but was 100ms Was there ever a version this didn't happen on? If not, we're kinda screwed until a better libusb for osx comes out since this is a libusb bug which is mostly addressed in the linux and windows versions, yet you're compiling against the same libusb version now (which is included statically in the cgminer source tree now). I have a stack of libusb libraries, no idea where they come from. There are even ones with the binary cgminer from http://spaceman.ca/cgminer though I can't see them linked with otool -L root % otool -L cgminer cgminer: /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreFoundation.framework/Versions/A/CoreFoundation (compatibility version 150.0.0, current version 550.44.0) /System/Library/Frameworks/IOKit.framework/Versions/A/IOKit (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 275.0.0) @executable_path/dependencies/lib/libcurl.4.dylib (compatibility version 8.0.0, current version 8.0.0) /usr/lib/libssl.0.9.8.dylib (compatibility version 0.9.8, current version 0.9.  /usr/lib/libcrypto.0.9.8.dylib (compatibility version 0.9.8, current version 0.9. /System/Library/Frameworks/LDAP.framework/Versions/A/LDAP (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 2.2.0) /usr/lib/libz.1.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 1.2.3) /System/Library/Frameworks/OpenCL.framework/Versions/A/OpenCL (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 1.0.0) /usr/lib/libobjc.A.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 227.0.0) /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 125.2.11) /usr/lib/libncurses.5.4.dylib (compatibility version 5.4.0, current version 5.4.0) Perhaps I need some other command to see which USB library is being used. Here is a list of the libusb stuff on my Mac /usr/lib/libusb-1.0.0.dylib
/usr/lib/libusb-1.0.a
/usr/lib/libusb-1.0.la
/opt/local/bin/libusb-config
/opt/local/i386-mingw32/lib/libusbcamd.a
/opt/local/i386-mingw32/lib/libusbcamd2.a
/opt/local/include/libusb-1.0
/opt/local/include/libusb-1.0/libusb.h
/opt/local/lib/libusb-0.1.4.dylib
/opt/local/lib/libusb-1.0.0.dylib
/opt/local/lib/libusb-1.0.a
/opt/local/lib/libusb-1.0.dylib
/opt/local/lib/libusb-1.0.la
/opt/local/lib/libusb.a
/opt/local/lib/libusb.dylib
/opt/local/lib/libusb.la
/opt/local/lib/pkgconfig/libusb-1.0.pc
/opt/local/lib/pkgconfig/libusb.pc
/opt/local/var/macports/software/libusb
/opt/local/var/macports/software/libusb/libusb-1.0.8_0.darwin_10.x86_64.tbz2
I haven't been able to get the cgminer github source to compile myself, not from lack of trying! So I am dependent on the pre-compiled binaries I can find. A fresh attempt yeilds: root % ./autogen.sh
readlink: illegal option -- f
usage: readlink [-n] [file ...]
usage: dirname path
Running autoreconf -if...
./autogen.sh: line 12: libtoolize: command not found
configure.ac:24: installing './compile'
configure.ac:17: installing './config.guess'
configure.ac:17: installing './config.sub'
configure.ac:22: installing './install-sh'
configure.ac:53: error: required file './ltmain.sh' not found
configure.ac:22: installing './missing'
Makefile.am:21: warning: 'INCLUDES' is the old name for 'AM_CPPFLAGS' (or '*_CPPFLAGS')
Makefile.am: installing './depcomp'
autoreconf: 'configure.ac' or 'configure.in' is required
Configuring...
./autogen.sh: line 21: /configure: No such file or directory
I know the Mac uses glibtoolize not libtoolize so if I patch autogen.sh to use glibtoolize it then gives: root % ./autogen.sh
readlink: illegal option -- f
usage: readlink [-n] [file ...]
usage: dirname path
Running autoreconf -if...
glibtoolize: putting auxiliary files in `.'.
glibtoolize: copying file `./config.guess'
glibtoolize: copying file `./config.sub'
glibtoolize: copying file `./install-sh'
glibtoolize: copying file `./ltmain.sh'
glibtoolize: putting macros in AC_CONFIG_MACRO_DIR, `m4'.
glibtoolize: copying file `m4/libtool.m4'
glibtoolize: copying file `m4/ltoptions.m4'
glibtoolize: copying file `m4/ltsugar.m4'
glibtoolize: copying file `m4/ltversion.m4'
glibtoolize: copying file `m4/lt~obsolete.m4'
Makefile.am:21: warning: 'INCLUDES' is the old name for 'AM_CPPFLAGS' (or '*_CPPFLAGS')
autoreconf: 'configure.ac' or 'configure.in' is required
Configuring...
./autogen.sh: line 21: /configure: No such file or directory
root %
A configure file is actually created and runs to completion with CFLAGS="-O2" ./configure --enable-icarus However when I try to make I get: root % make
make all-recursive
Making all in lib
GEN arg-nonnull.h
GEN c++defs.h
GEN warn-on-use.h
GEN signal.h
GEN stdint.h
GEN string.h
make all-recursive
CC dummy.o
CC memmem.o
AR libgnu.a
/opt/local/bin/ranlib: file: libgnu.a(dummy.o) has no symbols
ranlib: file: libgnu.a(dummy.o) has no symbols
Making all in compat
Making all in jansson
CC dump.o
CC error.o
CC hashtable.o
CC load.o
CC memory.o
CC pack_unpack.o
CC strbuffer.o
CC strconv.o
CC utf.o
CC value.o
AR libjansson.a
Making all in libusb-1.0
make[3]: *** No rule to make target `all'. Stop.
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make: *** [all] Error 2
root %
And that's where I get stuck. Any suggestions on how to proceed? I am on MacOSX 10.6.8 (Snow Leopard) with the Mac Ports collection installed. |
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I mean, The Genesis Block is infallible, is it not?
Don't you see that the network is hashing at 900THs?? Even if KNC falls on it's face, another 700THs is destined to fall from the sky this month and crush us, and 1.1 PHs the following month, and 1.8 magic-fucking PHs the next! Who knows where it's coming from, maybe it'll be like that comet in that movie, but it's coming!
PS - 77% Aiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!! Yell it like a war cry!!
KNC will probably ship 1PH/s over Oct/Nov, BFL have around 300TH/s of 65nm to ship, plus whatever bulk chips they sold, Bitfury have at least two wafer runs worth of chips to ship. Who knows what else. The Genesis Block will probably be not far off the growth until Xmas. |
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