Why do Atheists Hate Religion?

[BADecker]

Quantum mechanics is terrific when you are on the right track, because it can show you aspects of the right track you would have never thought of. But when you are on the wrong track, QM will lead you as far astray as you will let it.

Yes: that is why Albert Einstein died with the doubt.

If the universe had existed forever, it would have coalesced entirely long ago. The fact that there is the great complexity that exists, shows that there is something that is of even greater complexity that set this whole thing going. The kind of complexity that exists shows that the Maker fits our definition of God.

No: that fits the definition of a black hole.

If black holes connect universes, as a lot of scientists think, you can find another universe near here not a God (If we agreed that God actually exists).

"God is only a Faith problem, there is no other way of proving his existence".

To prove what I just said think how you will approach the definition of the word God: what's your definition of God?


Thank You.

No. A black hole (if they exist) is a concentration. Entropy provides the exact opposite of concentrated material/energy.



EDIT: No Black Holes Exist, Says Stephen Hawking—At Least Not Like We Think

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[1aguar]

"God is only a Faith problem, there is no other way of proving his existence".

I disagree; you have not responded to my proof; see below.

To prove what I just said think how you will approach the definition of the word God: what's your definition of God?

My definition: A supreme being who is the founder and guarantor of knowledge.
My proof: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.5300

[BitNow]

No. A black hole (if they exist) is a concentration. Entropy provides the exact opposite of concentrated material/energy.



EDIT: No Black Holes Exist, Says Stephen Hawking—At Least Not Like We Think

I know: reading.

I took a Master of Science in Engineering, I've read before trust me.

Try find your own answer.

"God is only a Faith problem, there is no other way of proving his existence".

I disagree; you have not responded to my proof; see below.

To prove what I just said think how you will approach the definition of the word God: what's your definition of God?

My definition: A supreme being who is the founder and guarantor of knowledge.
My proof: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.5300

So: you think you have solved a problem people is trying to solve since 5700 years ago?

[BADecker]

"God is only a Faith problem, there is no other way of proving his existence".

I disagree; you have not responded to my proof; see below.

To prove what I just said think how you will approach the definition of the word God: what's your definition of God?

My definition: A supreme being who is the founder and guarantor of knowledge.
My proof: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.5300

Faith without an object of faith is nothing. But it might be everything without any differentiation between its parts.

Definition of God here - http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/god?s=t.

[BADecker]

No. A black hole (if they exist) is a concentration. Entropy provides the exact opposite of concentrated material/energy.



EDIT: No Black Holes Exist, Says Stephen Hawking—At Least Not Like We Think

I know: reading.

I took a Master of Science in Engineering, I've read before trust me.

Try find your own answer.

Find my own answer? Been there. Done that.   

[BitNow]

Faith without an object of faith is nothing. But it might be everything without any differentiation between its parts.

Definition of God here - http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/god?s=t.

In italian the word God is Dio which is formed like that: D-IO (D+IO).
D: letter D
Io: personal pronoun meaning me, myself and I ("I" in English)

That's why I asked you that: when I say DIO in italian I think about myself on steroids (D + I), when I say GOD in English I don't know what people thinks.

Find my own answer? Been there. Done that.  

And your answer is God is a Supreme Being and you believe it?


Thank You.

[BADecker]

Faith without an object of faith is nothing. But it might be everything without any differentiation between its parts.

Definition of God here - http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/god?s=t.

In italian the word God is Dio which is formed like that: D-IO.
D: letter D
Io: first person singular personal pronoun ("I" in English)

That's why I asked you that: when I say DIO in italian I think about myself on steroids (D + I), when I say GOD in English I don't know what people thinks.

Find my own answer? Been there. Done that.   

And your answer is God is a Supreme Being and you believe it?


Thank You.

An Italian gal! Imagine that.   

[BitNow]

An Italian gal! Imagine that.  

Exactly: this thread is not about me, is about atheism.

I think you are OT (Off Topic) BADecher.

No. A black hole (if they exist) is a concentration. Entropy provides the exact opposite of concentrated material/energy.



EDIT: No Black Holes Exist, Says Stephen Hawking—At Least Not Like We Think

You posted an article of Stephen Hawking which is atheist.

How could you believe what he says?

"I'm obliged to believe in myself but I will find other ways as soon as I'll have a choice".


Thank You.

[BADecker]

An Italian gal! Imagine that.   

Exactly: this thread is not about me, is about atheism.

I think you are OT (Off Topic) BADecher.


Thank You.

Would I be off topic if I said, Thank you for reminding me?   

[1aguar]

So: you think you have solved a problem people is trying to solve since 5700 years ago?

Yes; and so what?? Science is powerful, and so is logic. My proof is just an updated rendering of Plato's Allegory of the Cave (Plato was aware about life-after-death).

"What are the Laws of God and Creation?" is another ancient question, and it is sufficiently addressed in Phoenix Journal #27, which was only published near the end of the previous century. "Keep asking, and it will be given to you. Keep searching, and you will find."

A reminder: To be rational means that you can intelligently evaluate new ideas when presented.

Faith without an object of faith is nothing. But it might be everything without any differentiation between its parts.

Definition of God here - http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/god?s=t.

My proof defines God sufficiently, and yes it is based on external (observable, scientific) evidence; if my definition is missing something, you can point it out explicitly, hopefully after reading the proof carefully to understand the logic.

By the way, You have not answered any of the questions about how I could possibly have a savior:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg12423520#msg12423520

[BADecker]

My proof defines God sufficiently, and yes it is based on external (observable, scientific) evidence; if my definition is missing something, you can point it out explicitly, hopefully after reading the proof carefully to understand the logic.

By the way, You have not answered any of the questions about how I could possibly have a savior:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg12423520#msg12423520

Medical research is proving that some of the most difficult things to do are manipulations of the human body and mind. Sure, we can make adjustments that the body and mind manipulate following the adjustments. But we even have difficulty when trying to grow back lost limbs, or live to 200 years.

Some of the fantastic things we have done are, we have made computers, airplanes, cars and lots of other things.

You don't need a savior if you aren't interested in being saved. But if you want to be saved, you need a savior. Why? Because you can't do it yourself. You will die. And there is nothing you can do about it. If there was, you would be a nice guy and show it to modern medicine so that they could help other people stay alive, wouldn't you?

Personally, I don't believe you can do it. If you want to be saved, you need a savior.

[1aguar]

Hi BADecker,
We have already been over this. I care not a whit for your physical concerns because there is no death, it is shown by observing nature, by science (52 points not refuted by you nor by any atheist), and even in the Bible (both OT and NT).

This speaker [BADecker] refers to eternal life and then pronounces that Man still experiences death so somehow he is still cursed. Man does not experience “death”--a physical housing experiences changes which you call death in your lack of knowledge--for it, too, is only changed into energy form of one sort or another--back into its original forming elements of matter and energy. The MAN WITHIN WHICH IS THE REFLECTION OF GOD IS THAT WHICH IS IMMORTAL--IN EITHER EVENT THERE IS ONLY CHANGE--NOT DEATH! PONDER IT!

See also:

Right. There are plenty of examples of reincarnation in the Bible, both OT and NT.
http://www.near-death.com/reincarnation/history/bible.html

More and more, this ancient knowledge is being affirmed by scientific investigation.

Only knowledge will help you to save your immortal soul, and only YOU can do it.

GOD CREATES FROM MATTER ATOMS AND MOLECULES--HE DOES NOT NEED CLAY OR MUD--FOR GOD IS AND GOD IS INFINITE AND HE CERTAINLY NEEDS NO WAD OF DIRT FROM WHICH TO CREATE HIS MOST WONDROUS CREATIONS. HE CREATED MAN FROM THE ESSENCE OF LIGHT AND GAVE UNTO MAN SPIRIT WHICH IS A PURE REFLECTION OF HIMSELF--THE BODY OF MAN IS ONLY A HANDY PIECE OF MACHINERY TO ENABLE HIM TO BETTER EXPERIENCE THROUGH THE DIMENSION OF PHYSICAL PLANE.

[BitNow]

Would I be off topic if I said, Thank you for reminding me?    

Using magic is a sin.

Hold your position.

Medical research is proving that some of the most difficult things to do are manipulations of the human body and mind. Sure, we can make adjustments that the body and mind manipulate following the adjustments. But we even have difficulty when trying to grow back lost limbs, or live to 200 years.

Some of the fantastic things we have done are, we have made computers, airplanes, cars and lots of other things.

You don't need a savior if you aren't interested in being saved. But if you want to be saved, you need a savior. Why? Because you can't do it yourself. You will die. And there is nothing you can do about it. If there was, you would be a nice guy and show it to modern medicine so that they could help other people stay alive, wouldn't you?

Personally, I don't believe you can do it. If you want to be saved, you need a savior.

I quote.

Only knowledge will help you to save your immortal soul, and only YOU can do it.

You cannot save yourself.

"Knowledge leads to death".


Thank You.

[BADecker]

Hi BADecker,
We have already been over this. I care not a whit for your physical concerns because there is no death, it is shown by observing nature, by science (52 points not refuted by you nor by any atheist), and even in the Bible (both OT and NT).

This speaker [BADecker] refers to eternal life and then pronounces that Man still experiences death so somehow he is still cursed. Man does not experience “death”--a physical housing experiences changes which you call death in your lack of knowledge--for it, too, is only changed into energy form of one sort or another--back into its original forming elements of matter and energy. The MAN WITHIN WHICH IS THE REFLECTION OF GOD IS THAT WHICH IS IMMORTAL--IN EITHER EVENT THERE IS ONLY CHANGE--NOT DEATH! PONDER IT!

See also:

Right. There are plenty of examples of reincarnation in the Bible, both OT and NT.
http://www.near-death.com/reincarnation/history/bible.html

More and more, this ancient knowledge is being affirmed by scientific investigation.

Only knowledge will help you to save your immortal soul, and only YOU can do it.

GOD CREATES FROM MATTER ATOMS AND MOLECULES--HE DOES NOT NEED CLAY OR MUD--FOR GOD IS AND GOD IS INFINITE AND HE CERTAINLY NEEDS NO WAD OF DIRT FROM WHICH TO CREATE HIS MOST WONDROUS CREATIONS. HE CREATED MAN FROM THE ESSENCE OF LIGHT AND GAVE UNTO MAN SPIRIT WHICH IS A PURE REFLECTION OF HIMSELF--THE BODY OF MAN IS ONLY A HANDY PIECE OF MACHINERY TO ENABLE HIM TO BETTER EXPERIENCE THROUGH THE DIMENSION OF PHYSICAL PLANE.

Wrong. It will take way more knowledge than you will ever have time to accumulate in this life to keep you from death. Why? Because there are two kinds of death. There is bodily death, and there is eternal death. If there wasn't eternal death, there would be no bodily death. You are badly mistaken.

One thing that you are close to being right about is that the spirit remains alive after the death of the body. Spiritual life for those who are saved by the Savior will remain alive forever. It will eventually be granted a new body.

Spiritual death for those who die eternally, will begin at the judgment day when God judges all people. The death of those who die starting then, will be a continual death, forever, because the soul is something that lives forever. So, it will take it forever to die, dying on and on, ever decreasing towards nothingness, but not quite getting there, forever.

You won't ever get enough smarts to be able to keep yourself alive even in spirit. If you could do this, you could keep your body alive as well.

[BitNow]

You won't ever get enough smarts to be able to keep yourself alive even in spirit. If you could do this, you could keep your body alive as well.

We are getting there.

Technology is progressing.

:-|


Thank You.

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GOD CREATES FROM MATTER ATOMS AND MOLECULES--HE DOES NOT NEED CLAY OR MUD--FOR GOD IS AND GOD IS INFINITE AND HE CERTAINLY NEEDS NO WAD OF DIRT FROM WHICH TO CREATE HIS MOST WONDROUS CREATIONS. HE CREATED MAN FROM THE ESSENCE OF LIGHT AND GAVE UNTO MAN SPIRIT WHICH IS A PURE REFLECTION OF HIMSELF--THE BODY OF MAN IS ONLY A HANDY PIECE OF MACHINERY TO ENABLE HIM TO BETTER EXPERIENCE THROUGH THE DIMENSION OF PHYSICAL PLANE.

Have you ever heard of the Sumerian myth on creation?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumerian_creation_myth

[BADecker]

You won't ever get enough smarts to be able to keep yourself alive even in spirit. If you could do this, you could keep your body alive as well.

We are getting there.

Technology is progressing.

:-|


Thank You.

Perhaps we will get there... perhaps.

Consider. There was a Tree of Life in the Garden, as well. God kicked mankind out of the Garden so that people would NOT eat of the tree of life and live forever. A long time later God sent His Son, Jesus, to die on the cross, and rise again, so that people who believe in Jesus can have eternal life. If God wanted people to have eternal life, why didn't He simply let them eat of the Tree of Life in the Garden? Why did He put His Blessed Son through all that trouble of dying on the cross to save mankind?

There is more to life and eternal life than the researchers will find out, even if they make people to live for a thousand years twice over.

[BitNow]

Perhaps we will get there... perhaps.

Consider. There was a Tree of Life in the Garden, as well. God kicked mankind out of the Garden so that people would NOT eat of the tree of life and live forever. A long time later God sent His Son, Jesus, to die on the cross, and rise again, so that people who believe in Jesus can have eternal life. If God wanted people to have eternal life, why didn't He simply let them eat of the Tree of Life in the Garden? Why did He put His Blessed Son through all that trouble of dying on the cross to save mankind?

There is more to life and eternal life than the researchers will find out, even if they make people to live for a thousand years twice over.

I was not discussing the Ethical side of the technological advancement.

Don't worry: I fully understand that.


Thank You.

[BADecker]

Perhaps we will get there... perhaps.

Consider. There was a Tree of Life in the Garden, as well. God kicked mankind out of the Garden so that people would NOT eat of the tree of life and live forever. A long time later God sent His Son, Jesus, to die on the cross, and rise again, so that people who believe in Jesus can have eternal life. If God wanted people to have eternal life, why didn't He simply let them eat of the Tree of Life in the Garden? Why did He put His Blessed Son through all that trouble of dying on the cross to save mankind?

There is more to life and eternal life than the researchers will find out, even if they make people to live for a thousand years twice over.

I was not discussing the Ethical side of the technological advancement.

Don't worry: I fully understand that.


Thank You.

I'm not talking about the ethical side either. God made everything. He made all the things that science is calling science. God is full of fantastically great science. Even life science has more to it than simply being alive... even forever.

[MakingMoneyHoney]

I think those in power have proof that the aliens exist, they're just not telling people, because people are easier to control this way.

Corrected

So: that is what this is about MakingMoneyHoney and maybe all the atheists in the world... they think G-d is an alien?


Thank You.

No, I don't believe in aliens. "Aliens" would just be Nephilim (half angel/half human) as discussed in the bible. Nephilim have a preoccupation with cross-breeding, not just humans but animals too.

[1aguar]

Have you ever heard of the Sumerian myth on creation?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumerian_creation_myth

Sure; you can find many details about the Sumerian myths in the Phoenix Journals; use the search tool:
http://www.phoenixsourcedistributors.com/html/site_search.html