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October 13, 2016, 07:17:26 PM
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The US and Nato seems to be the aggressor, how aggressive does an establishment completely rotten with corruption and scandals need to get to deflect the attention away from themselves?

I would say they will need to become much more aggressive than they are currently, if they wish to keep their populations under control.
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October 13, 2016, 08:53:35 PM
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Armstrong today discusses further the maniacal Hunt for Money that is disrupting global trade (disrupting trade is not good, but Aussies know that):

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/taxes/when-the-back-office-becomes-bigger-than-the-front-office-it-is-time-to-die/

He is looking at alternate ways to transmit money, but he did not mention Bitcoin.  Yet is fed-up w/ PayPal (?)

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If indeed The Saker has his facts right (perhaps so), that would give us some comfort that the Russians are not irrational.  Unfortunately, the curious policies of the Left now pushing harder for confrontation with Russia is of note: THEY were the ones unwilling to confront their fellow-traveler Communists of the Soviet Union.

I was an active participant in the Cold War (as a desk-bound analyst), I was there and I would know about those days.

Armstrong wrote some more ideas re Russia just today.  Including that Russian-held Crimea will be built-up as an impregnable fortress (fair enough, it's Russian territory).

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/russia-preparing-for-war/

EDIT: He did explain the below map of Russian capital flows (eg, Peru is red means Russian capital left Peru to return to Russia)

https://armstrongmedia.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Russia-Capital-Flows-10-13-2016.jpg

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October 13, 2016, 09:57:56 PM
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I also thought that too, why he didn;t mention the possibility of bitcoin instead of Paypal.

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I just read Armstrongs simultaneously fascinating and unsettling observations and models, including capital flows etc, re "Russia Preparing for War?" a couple of minutes before reading your above post. Not difficult to guess how the MSM will interpret the Russian Defense Ministry's intenton of turning the Crimean Peninsula into an "impregnable fortress". This is getting surreal!
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October 14, 2016, 06:57:24 AM
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Armstrong's computer will be correct once again and Trump will win the popular vote (I don't know about whether via fraud or other reason he won't make it to office):

People lacking research and study support Clinton:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-22/trump-victory-odds-soar-hillary-clinton-death-cross-strikes



It is a fact that the average IQ of blacks is lower. And that the analytical skills (interests actually) of females is on average lower than males. And of course young people are easily influenced and haven't yet learned to study, research, and be rational.

If you don't like these facts, then change the facts. Liberals are experts at doing just that.

Also whites, seniors, and independents vote. As well the females that support Trump are in stable family environments and will show up to vote enthusiastically.

Clinton's supporters will not be as sure to vote, because they also don't like Clinton. They are mostly pissed off that Bernie Sanders is not running.

1/10th of the females might not show up due to having their menstruation (menstruation bothersome for more than 1 day a month), also due to be too busy with the kids. Some percentage of blacks are lazy, not civic responsibility minded and thus many won't show up. The youth will be too busy doing other things, including being high on pot to show up at the polls.

Also Liberals basically vote for ideology or to get paid something by the government. So to get them very motivated to vote, requires a very intoxicating ideology coupled with a promise to steal money from the collective. They already have their Obama hangover.

The elite's control is diseased, rotting, and coming unraveled to some extent:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1082909.msg16557177#msg16557177

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/north_america/2016-u-s-presidential-election/hillarys-staff-called-catholics-severely-backwards-jews-bastards-and-its-just-total-chaos/

Remember in the Bible in Revelation, the Beast is wounded.
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October 14, 2016, 03:06:20 PM
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True Patriots win 🇺🇸🇺🇸
http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-press-buries-hillary-clintons-sins-1476401308?

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/57g5p5/wikileaks_the_podesta_files_part_vii_get_in_here/
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October 14, 2016, 09:39:49 PM
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But let's face the facts. The elite are not going to allow him to go too far. It is going to be very interesting to see which choice they use to terminate Trump.

These latest groping and genital thrusting fabrications are going to backfire on the elite. The desperation of the mass media is all too obvious for anyone with a brain stem, which surprisingly doesn't include Tom Hanks.

Wikileaks should release Clinton emails bi-daily, so that the media has to invent a new fabrication every 2 days. That would do more to expose how ridiculous the media is now. But the switch to weekly releases was very strategic by Wikileaks to force the media to weekly reveal what a farce they are.

Are you saying that Trump is on his other last leg?    Cool

The USA as a union of 50 States may be on its last leg:

https://www.google.com.ph/search?q=armstrongeconomics.com+coming+breakup+of+the+USA

The following was predicted by Armstrong's computer decades ago and published at least as early as 9/11/2014 (date of following blog):

As for the break-up of the USA, the computer has been warning for decades now that the 2016 election will see a sharp rise in third-party activity. The Republican Party may split again. We see the internal civil war with the Tea Party people. This is the core of the break-up for what lies behind that is culture and religion. Once the economy turns down, this will accelerate.

Armstrong's computer generated the following chart which seems to indicate the USA will rise after these elections until 2033:



The above chart is the optimistic one that is Protracted wave where the USA would not break apart.

The following chart published in 2013 is the pessimistic one for the Collapsing wave where the USA does break apart. Note that the peak came precisely to the day the Edward Snowden made his final move of "no turning back" in preparation to release the NSA expose.

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October 15, 2016, 02:47:03 AM
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War with Yemen and Russia
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---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: Re: you may not be factoring in Chaos Theory
From:    "Shelby Moore"
Date:    Sat, October 15, 2016 4:21 am
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My doubts about your methods are you attribute absolute
cooperation between factions of the elite.

There is no rational explanation within your assumption of why Wikileaks
is releasing dirt on Clinton weekly, so as to force the mass media to
reveal themselves as a fraud. See my next email.

Assange is cooperating with Rothschild because ever since long ago in the
Cyberpunks mailing lists, he was of a globalist mindset in terms of social
order.

The Rothschilds may be smart enough to know that the Bible says the Beast
will be wounded, so they may realize already that Trump is destined. And
so they encourage the result as a means of discrediting the concept of
nation-states and democracy. They use creative destruction against their
own. This will enable them to bring war with which they can profit and
further their one-world aims. You focus too much just on the destruction
of the grid angle.

You are very smart I agree. But sometimes you forget I am too.


> I factor in chaos theory, very much so.  It's the reason I continue to
> bother with information synthesis, as a long shot chance I can help tip
> the scales of psychological warfare.   Otherwise, if I felt my efforts
> were futile, I would spend all of my time doing things I enjoy rather than
> researching the info war.
>
>
> Sun Tzu:  Never underestimate you enemy.  The elites understand chaos
> theory quite well.  The reason they're using public anger over political
> corruption and globalism as a wedge.  Explains the nonstop "leaks" from
> CIA asset Assange and his Wikileaks psy op, the Russian leaks, 'anonymous'
> leaks, Panama papers.  None of it damages the core agenda.  Keeps tongues
> wagging, amygdalas firing at the expense of critical thinking.
>
>
> A concept in economics, temporal discounting, has been examined closely in
> neuroeconomics using brain scans (fMRI).  The more rudimentary brain
> development is (animals, dumbed down humanity) the more impulsive decision
> making becomes.  Simplistic example: save some seeds to plant next year
> and reap a large store of food or yield to hunger pangs and eat them.  Gay
> human male decides to have sex with an attractive man with a good chance
> of being HIV positive to satisfy an impulse regardless of the long term
> consequences.  It's the science of conscious, decisions made by
> evaluations of value vs. time - aka delayed gratification.  Parallel
> circuits at work in psychological warfare.  The effect of war hysteria and
> political tabloid intrigue is to override executive function blinding the
> awakening masses from the unfolding agenda to enslave them.  Men are
> especially susceptible given their testosterone driven penchant to be
> drawn into battle lore, esp. war and the alt media has been shameless
> flashing pictures of mushroom clouds, fighter jets, and warships.  It's
> perfect Tavistock level mind control using the emotive power of visual
> circuits. ....Coming full circle to probability and chaos theory is
> brilliant mathematician John Nash, subject of the movie A Beautiful Mind,
> whose work inspired economic game theory which is the foundation of
> neuroeconomics.
>
>
> IMO, what we are witnessing is a controlled demolition using engineered
> chaos.  Long term, yes, I too hope they overreach and their control grid
> disintegrates.
>
>
> Martin still doesn't admit to 9/11 and other proven modern day big
> conspiracies?
>
>
> We don't have to have a back and forth exchange on this, Shelby.   My aim
> isn't to "win" debates.  My preference is information sharing open source
> style, away from the echo chambers.  I respect your intellect and know we
> have the same views on individual sovereignty.
>
>
>
> P.S.  Hope you know Wikileaks is an intelligence op.  Assange was exposed
> early on for his pro-statist views, Rothschild lawyer!, publicly stated
> admiration for Ruppert Murdoch, in an interview to the Belfast Telegraph
> July 2010 he said he gets annoyed with "false conspiracies such as 9/11",
> association with powerful establishment figures, etc.    Wikileaks was
> used to trigger the Arab spring.  Snowden is an op too.  Jon Rappoport
> deconstructed a lot of it.  His go-between Greenwald is a dead giveaway,
> etc.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Shelby Moore
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 1:05 AM
> Subject: you may not be factoring in Chaos Theory
>
> The elite's control is diseased, rotting, and coming unraveled to some
> extent:
>
> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1082909.msg16557177#msg16557177
>
> https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/north_america/2016-u-s-presidential-election/hillarys-staff-called-catholics-severely-backwards-jews-bastards-and-its-just-total-chaos/
>
> The Wikileaks batch of email on Hillary are blowing the doors off of
> everything normal. Hillary Clinton's campaign spokeswoman, Jennifer
> Palmieri, in the hacked
>
>
>
>
> Remember in the Bible in Revelation, the Beast is wounded.
>

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October 15, 2016, 09:21:17 AM
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---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: Re: you may not be factoring in Chaos Theory
From:    "Shelby Moore"
Date:    Sat, October 15, 2016 5:20 am
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> Sun Tzu:  Never underestimate you enemy.  The elites understand chaos
> theory quite well.  The reason they're using public anger over political
> corruption and globalism as a wedge.  Explains the nonstop "leaks" from
> CIA asset Assange and his Wikileaks psy op, the Russian leaks, 'anonymous'
> leaks, Panama papers.  None of it damages the core agenda.  Keeps tongues
> wagging, amygdalas firing at the expense of critical thinking.

They also understand you must kill the revolutionaries, there is no other
option:

https://youtu.be/bX3EZCVj2XA?t=216

So if Trump and the revolutionaries are winning, then war against the USA
may be the only option. Of course there may be other options such as
frustrating Trump in the Congress and judiciary. But if this political
movement is too powerful, war may be the only possibility.
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---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: Re: you may not be factoring in Chaos Theory
From:    "Shelby Moore"
Date:    Sat, October 15, 2016 12:04 pm
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Haha, how convenient to use the Islamic revolutionaries as an excuse to
destabilize Europe with rapefugees, incite+empower reactionary extremist
groups within Europe bringing them into focus for extermination, while
also rounding up the Islamic revolutionaries for their extermination. A
generalized attack on the gene pool of competing testosterone and alpha
males.

Excellent response. I wasn't thinking too deeply about this as I have my
mind into compsci work on language design which is one of the most
difficult disciplines within compsci.

Note my prior reply to you just a few minutes earlier was also viewing the
support of Trump from this perspective. As a plan B, use Trump to drive
some conflicts and also round up those in the USA who still put up a
resistance.

I generally think they would prefer the 15 - 30 year plan of
indoctrination, but they realize that some cultures are too well embedded
and they can't achieve their goals without physical conflict.


> Interesting you said they understand they must kill the revolutionaries.
> As I reflect on Syria as a tool for several agendas, I realized one
> important "benefit" of the conflict there and in Iraq and Libya (as
> staging grounds) is the ideological war of "free Muslims" fighting the
> western empire has been a focal magnet to attract the type of determined
> men TPTB want eliminated, in the process, the ongoing scorched earth
> violence demonstrates of the cost of resisting.
>
>
> Imagine how this has been a pattern for centuries or millennia.



---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: Re: you may not be factoring in Chaos Theory
From:    "Shelby Moore"
Date:    Sat, October 15, 2016 11:26 am
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I value very much your intricate research on the tentacles of the elite.

I think there is some (very significant) facet to what you say in play.
But I also think the political movement of Trump is valid, uncontrolled
chaos and not planned for by the elite. I absolutely do not think Trump is
working for "the" elite (if there is just one faction and I doubt that).

One faction of the elite created a monster Wikileaks and now can't
entirely control the intended outcomes. They thought that releasing weekly
dirt would force Clinton+media to dump more crap on Trump thus creating an
air of disgust and also a form of pysops. I can agree with that as being a
strong possibility.

But it is blowing up in their face, because the revolutionaries are
becoming more numerous and more hardened because it is revealing the media
to be an obvious farce and casting a spotlight on the existence of an
establishment. No one with a functioning brain stem can deny it any more.

It seems maybe some faction of the elite might be purposely splitting the
USA into bipolar extremes so as to be prepared to fight the
revolutionaries as a break away faction of the USA. They may have realized
via the resistance to gun control that they have no chance to win decades
of attrition with psyops and that they need to physically exterminate the
revolutionaries. I am starting to see this as more likely conclusion they
have come to.


> "There is no rational explanation within your assumption of why Wikileaks
> is releasing dirt on Clinton weekly"
>
>
> I view it as a device of division...creating political animosity between
> the Trump bot and Hillary bots - along the same lines of Soros and the
> Ford Foundations funding Black Lives Matter ($100M).  Soros funded the
> groups behind the color revolutions, the legalization of marijuana
> (soma?).
>
>
> I also view it as a tool of distraction from the work being done on the
> control grid.
>
>
> You may not agree yet that doesn't mean I don't have valid reasoning.
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I'm still waiting for his phase transition which was originally set for january, then end of first quarter, then second quarter...

His cycle of war model too missed completely, which was supposed to turn in 2014. Well, nothing happened, nothing will happen. There have been this little war never before in history. And if the cycle "turns in" that would mean 2012-2016 is the peak. So 4 years already passed.  Grin 10-15 years ago even middle east was a bigger mess than currently


Quality of life in western world have never been this good, people are wealthier than ever and life expectancy is increasing with speed. Marty is just like zerohedge etc. nwo media, batshit insane doom's day caller who sells overpriced conferences for morons

Trump will win but if hillary wins that's because it's rigged but our computer was correct  Cheesy Btw. we have a model showing 3/4 trump win so if hillary wins the computer wasn't wrong... everythng is just very vague mambo jambo from election predictions to his forecast arrays. So there is always an out for his calls


I wouldnt take too much  stock into his political predictions which can change like the wind... where more data is present maybe it makes more sense aka stock market
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I'm still waiting for his phase transition which was originally set for january, then end of first quarter, then second quarter...

His cycle of war model too missed completely, which was supposed to turn in 2014. Well, nothing happened, nothing will happen. There have been this little war never before in history. And if the cycle "turns in" that would mean 2012-2016 is the peak. So 4 years already passed.  Grin 10-15 years ago even middle east was a bigger mess than currently


Quality of life in western world have never been this good, people are wealthier than ever and life expectancy is increasing with speed. Marty is just like zerohedge etc. nwo media, batshit insane doom's day caller who sells overpriced conferences for morons

Trump will win but if hillary wins that's because it's rigged but our computer was correct  Cheesy Btw. we have a model showing 3/4 trump win so if hillary wins the computer wasn't wrong... everythng is just very vague mambo jambo from election predictions to his forecast arrays. So there is always an out for his calls


I wouldnt take too much  stock into his political predictions which can change like the wind... where more data is present maybe it makes more sense aka stock market

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/150816666991/blowing-your-mind-as-promised
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His cycle of war model too missed completely, which was supposed to turn in 2014. Well, nothing happened, nothing will happen.

Here we go again. Ukraine didn't happen. Libya didn't happen. Egypt didn't happen. Syria didn't happen. ISIS didn't happen. Russia vs. USA in Syria isn't happening. Russia didn't make their move into Syria precisely to the day of 2015.75 (Oct 1, 2015). The dollar hasn't been rising. Gold hasn't finally turned down as the dollar begins to rise. The British pound isn't collapsing towards parity which has been the prediction for many years now. Naw. It is all just my imagination.

There have been this little war never before in history.

Well if you are going to make a total fool of yourself, at least do it completely. Kudos.

And if the cycle "turns in" that would mean 2012-2016 is the peak. So 4 years already passed.  Grin 10-15 years ago even middle east was a bigger mess than currently

When you do not even have the slightest clue, maybe you ought to just admit it to yourself. But knock yourself out with inventing as many misunderstanding-as-facts as you want.

Quality of life in western world have never been this good, people are wealthier than ever and life expectancy is increasing with speed.

Thank God for technological advancement.

Yet still you've got your statistics messed up.

Marty is just like zerohedge etc. nwo media, batshit insane doom's day caller who sells overpriced conferences for morons

So why are you here in Bitcointalk? And why are you hiding behind a Newbie sockpuppet? Afraid to put your reputation at risk. Chicken-shit. Chicken-shit.

Trump will win but if hillary wins that's because it's rigged but our computer was correct  Cheesy Btw. we have a model showing 3/4 trump win so if hillary wins the computer wasn't wrong... everythng is just very vague mambo jambo from election predictions to his forecast arrays. So there is always an out for his calls

As if winning 75% of the time in Las Vegas wouldn't be very lucrative.

Aliasing error is your methodology of debate. Cherry pick and choose what ever you want to alias error about. If it works for you, then by all means please continue to stroke yours.

And if you don't understand the Shannon-Nyquist sampling theorem, then go to Wikipedia (since I helped write that one).
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Beam me up Scotty! The USA needs to segregate into Liberals (i.e. those who are brain washed) and non-Liberals:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/hillary-clinton-campaign-hack-watergate-donald-trump-russia-229829

My gf brought up a great point when she asked me why if the people in the USA are so liberated and can show sex all over their television, do the people get offended when a man says that women who are attracted to him let him touch their pussies. God forbid women and men might actually get hot for each other and have romping sex producing offspring. Shudder the thought of offspring.

I told her it is because they have Satan in their heart, and they know only to do bad instead of love and then point the finger at the other person for doing bad also. They feel like shit about their lives, and can't pinpoint why they feel like shit, so they turn to their addictions, broken ideology and brainwashed morass. They want power and control without love, which is exactly what Satan is. They want their space and boundaries, without love, open door, and vulnerability. They hate nature. They hate nature. They hate nature. This is Satan. (Note I have some of this culture inside of me and I am trying to shake it out of myself)

Beam me up Scotty! I am ready to leave this planet!

...She even bought Simpsons for her evil plans to be succeeded. Fuck her.

Look at this crap?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xK_Ahtg5CxE&lc

Wtf is this?

I showed the above cartoon to my gf and asked, "how can we deal in a world where everything is lies?". She replied, "only God knows, just pray".
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It's impossible for every phenomenon to be a conspiracy


---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: Re: you may not be factoring in Chaos Theory
From:    "Shelby Moore"
Date:    Sun, October 16, 2016 10:51 am
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Yes of course, but it is also not rational to think that even the elite
are coordinated to the point of denying the Second Law of Thermodynamcs.
Total orders can't exist unless we abandoned a quantifiable, finitary
speed-of-light, which would collapse the light cones of special relativity
thus making the past and present undifferentiated, i.e. nothing could
exist. Without randomness, everything is known and static forever.


> Not everything is a conspiracy.  LOL  My dog throwing up on the kitchen
> floor.  The clerk bagging my blackberries drops them.  The power centers
> protect their turf and they've been doing it for centuries.   It's not
> likely they will show their 'hidden hand'.  Anyway, I appreciate your
> detailed knowledge of Trump.  Thanks.
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Fascinating back & forth email set with Armstrong.  Nice to see two high-IQ guys analyzing...

I wrote at my blog years ago (in 2012) that The Elite is broken into factions, and that was what is slowing down their plans.  I forget is we are allowed to post shortened links, but here goes:

goo.gl/XjxYGl

Or you can Google: "The Fractured Elite: The Only Reason Why We Are Not A Fascist State, Yet" which will likely take you there.

*   *   *

An idea I have read a couple of times now is that Trump ought to "pull a Perot" and buy a 30 or 60 minute block on ALL the major channels, and present his case: why he is the one better suited to lead vs. the simian (at best) Hillary...
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Fascinating back & forth email set with Armstrong.  Nice to see two high-IQ guys analyzing...

That is not Armstrong replying to me in email. Armstrong has only replied to me directly in email once or twice a couple of years ago (and I can't be 100% sure it was him and not someone writing for him from his gmail account). He did appear to reply to me in his blogs several times a couple years ago. Before the emails this week, I hadn't emailed him since summer 2015.
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The Red pill, Blue pill Election — NYC slumlord vs. Globalists
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October 17, 2016, 02:10:59 AM
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A theme Armstrong has also often stated:

It is interesting to read more of what Hillary said in the private speech to bankers and their ilk on page 93:

Quote from: Hillary Clinton
And what I really resent most about the
obstructionists is they have such a narrow view of
America. They see America in a way that is no
longer reflective of the reality of who we are.
They're against immigration for reasons that have to
do with the past, not the future. They can't figure
out how to invest in the future, so they cut
everything. You know, laying off, you know, young
researchers, closing labs instead of saying, we're
better at this than anybody in the world, that's
where our money should go. They just have a
backward-looking view of America. And they play on
people's fears, not on people's hopes, and they have
to be rejected. I don't care what they call
themselves. I don't care where they're from. They
have to be rejected because they are fundamentally
unAmerican. And every effort they make to undermine
and obstruct the functioning of the government is
meant to send a signal that we can't do anything
collectively. You know, that we aren't a community,
a nation that shares values.
I mean, American was an invention. It
was an intellectual invention, and we have done
pretty well for all these years. And these people
want to just undermine that very profound sense of
who we are. And we can't let them do that.

What Hillary fails to comprehend in her idealistic quest for the perfect harmonious global village, is that when you hand out welfare checks to everyone that shows up at the border, the pre-existing citizenry don't want to pay for it while losing their jobs to these parasites. The banksters are quite happy for us to run up our debt to finance it until it collapses, because they privatize the profits and socialize the cost of the losses.

America was built from immigration where everyone had to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.

The problem with these globalists is they make it all sound great and idealistic even to fool themselves, whilst as long as they can always profit and steal in the guise of idealism, then it is the "obstructionists" that are at fault in their view!

Just before the above quote, Hillary was preaching the idealism of three pillars of society: free market, governance, and community (civil sector).

That was an excellent look into the illogical mindset of idealistic bullshit Liberals.
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October 17, 2016, 09:34:02 AM
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OROBTC, here is when I used to argue heavily with Armstrong in 2014 and I even called him an idiot.
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