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September 09, 2015, 06:27:01 PM
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Hi folks,

     We'll be posting news and updates the moment we're able to.  We really appreciate the support everyone has shown as well as your patience.

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great news this is a project that deserves to come to life


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September 10, 2015, 08:11:22 AM
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Hi folks,

     We'll be posting news and updates the moment we're able to.  We really appreciate the support everyone has shown as well as your patience.

     Best regards,

syntaks
great news this is a project that deserves to come to life

Yes i agree it`s a great project that we all wait with excitation

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September 11, 2015, 03:40:35 PM
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Hi folks,

     We'll be posting news and updates the moment we're able to.  We really appreciate the support everyone has shown as well as your patience.

     Best regards,

syntaks
great news this is a project that deserves to come to life

Yes i agree it`s a great project that we all wait with excitation

I am still waiting for what is happening and eager to hear.  I am staking some fiat right now to try to get on the investment floor.  Too many blockchain projects focused on special ways to hold your coins or analyze coins.  Blockchain web is the future and r3d is at the forefront. 
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anything new?  Blockchain web, sounds cool.

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September 14, 2015, 02:36:22 AM
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Hi everyone. A lot has transpired over the past 2 weeks, but still nothing that we can update or share with anyone. We're extremely sorry that things have taken longer than expected. As soon as we can provide details and updates for everyone we certainly will.

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September 14, 2015, 07:13:17 AM
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BTC refund wall isn't available anymore.

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September 14, 2015, 07:25:14 AM
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BTC refund wall isn't available anymore.
are there people waiting to take their btc back?


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September 14, 2015, 07:57:53 AM
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BTC refund wall isn't available anymore.
are there people waiting to take their btc back?

Nope all got auto converted back to btc by bittrex.


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September 14, 2015, 04:30:46 PM
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BTC refund wall isn't available anymore.
are there people waiting to take their btc back?

Nope all got auto converted back to btc by bittrex.



Correct. it was all automatically processed by Bittrex rather than putting a buy wall up.
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September 14, 2015, 07:05:26 PM
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Is this dead or what?

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September 15, 2015, 06:27:09 AM
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No it isn`t dead still developing, we are waiting for the news and upadates

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September 18, 2015, 03:02:57 AM
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Hi folks,

     I just posted this in slack about 20 minutes ago and wanted to get those in the community here involved as well and their opinions.

The latest development has left us at a pivotal point as we've taken all suggestions, requests and comments into consideration from the community.  One topic that's been mentioned several times is PoW vs PoS.  We currently have PoW with auxpow and a fee-only reward system for good reason as it's a closed-loop and with auxpow it's easily chained onto existing merged configs and there's plenty of hash to go around.  However, if you have any opinion regarding PoS over PoW - we'd love to hear it as we can go in either direction.

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September 18, 2015, 02:57:12 PM
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Hi folks,

     I just posted this in slack about 20 minutes ago and wanted to get those in the community here involved as well and their opinions.

The latest development has left us at a pivotal point as we've taken all suggestions, requests and comments into consideration from the community.  One topic that's been mentioned several times is PoW vs PoS.  We currently have PoW with auxpow and a fee-only reward system for good reason as it's a closed-loop and with auxpow it's easily chained onto existing merged configs and there's plenty of hash to go around.  However, if you have any opinion regarding PoS over PoW - we'd love to hear it as we can go in either direction.

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I would love the PoS route because it gives another reason to hold onto the coins, and because I don't PoW mine Tongue

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As stated before, nice graphics. I'll dig deeper to your crypto because she seems promising  Wink !
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September 18, 2015, 09:27:29 PM
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Hi folks,

     I just posted this in slack about 20 minutes ago and wanted to get those in the community here involved as well and their opinions.

The latest development has left us at a pivotal point as we've taken all suggestions, requests and comments into consideration from the community.  One topic that's been mentioned several times is PoW vs PoS.  We currently have PoW with auxpow and a fee-only reward system for good reason as it's a closed-loop and with auxpow it's easily chained onto existing merged configs and there's plenty of hash to go around.  However, if you have any opinion regarding PoS over PoW - we'd love to hear it as we can go in either direction.

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pos is probably better for """investors""", as well as perhaps even people using the technology depending on if there is a %apr or whatever.. (example im a blogger but im pretty poor.. if there is a high apr % i could buy some r3d and hold on to it and earn interest off of it until i can do something with it rather than having to buy x amount to do something)

auxpow is probably better from a tech standpoint.. but sometimes technology loses out to people (eg bluray).. and sometimes that is a good thing to have a winner and losers (eg the hd wars and exclusive titles for each format causing people to have to have both players).. and sometimes that is a bad thing (eg nearly all of 3m's technological innovations are years behind the shit they have in storage holding them back)

for me i would say pos is probably the smartest if you want to get more funding from """investors""" in the form of icos/cfcs...

if you want """investors""" you should probably think of a way to reward early adopters (higher interest rate etc early on or something)
there are probably other ideas out there as well for that too... thats probably what you should be asking.. what people *want*

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September 19, 2015, 05:50:53 AM
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What about dpos?

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September 19, 2015, 02:42:27 PM
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What about dpos?

personally the more time that goes on the less viable dpos is shown to be, as recently seen by the bitshares delegate debacle

decent in theory, shit in practice

edit: dont get me wrong.. i'm just one person so if other people think its a good idea dont let me stop you.. just my two cents on dpos from what ive seen lately

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September 19, 2015, 05:15:47 PM
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What about dpos?

personally the more time that goes on the less viable dpos is shown to be, as recently seen by the bitshares delegate debacle

decent in theory, shit in practice

edit: dont get me wrong.. i'm just one person so if other people think its a good idea dont let me stop you.. just my two cents on dpos from what ive seen lately

What debacle? Dpos is probably the best we got right now.

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September 19, 2015, 06:02:46 PM
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What about dpos?

personally the more time that goes on the less viable dpos is shown to be, as recently seen by the bitshares delegate debacle

decent in theory, shit in practice

edit: dont get me wrong.. i'm just one person so if other people think its a good idea dont let me stop you.. just my two cents on dpos from what ive seen lately

What debacle?

the fact that its basically just a circlejerk... go read about the delegates that are no longer contributing to bitshares yet are still delegates.....
think of dpos as a rigged election... thats the best way to look at it.. here is some reading material to show you why what i say is the truth

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DPoS is a plutocracy where people use (but, neither spend {“democracy”}, nor risk {“capitalism”}) their money to elect 100 senators, who sign blocks in a sequence and thus secure a nearly-P2P network.

As usual, we’re going to ignore all of the problems with this (that plutocracy implies same-wealthy-idiots-on-every-decision and inevitable decadence [unlike “rule of the experts” capitalism], that DPoS strongly concentrates wealth [and, therefore, protocol-control], that voters [even at the more-efficient corporate governance level] never seem to know or care about the issues they’re voting on, and that any conspiracy of 67 delegates can profitably double-spend without getting caught).

Instead, I’m just going to show that (again, for the Bitcoin issuance schedule) it is consequentially the same as Proof of Work.
In Theory

Theoretically, what is attempted is: [1] “Every non-attacker will know which 100 delegates are right for the job…”, [2] “…in a way that is not reliably subverted by human ‘work’…”, [3] “…and, since, attackers wouldn’t ever own >50% of the total money supply…”, [Conclusion] “…the network will always be safe.”

Obviously [2] is the deal-breaker, and [1] isn’t helping.

If you “get it” by now, I suggest you skip this section (to “The Coinbase-Rot Paradox”). However, because it happens to be a personal interest of mine, I’m going to write several paragraphs about how “voting” is only effective when it is cheap to cast an informed vote (which isn’t the case in DPoS).
Money and Politics

Votes are bought. Not directly (this would challenge the voter’s treasured self-delusions, and be a focal point for coordinated outrage), but indirectly through tax breaks, welfare, military action, subsidies, research grants, licenses, etc. Loudly, it is claimed that these all serve civic purposes (the reality is “some”), but the quieter subtext is: “a vote for Candidate X is good for your bottom line”. On top of that, there’s ad-spending and professional campaign management. Because election-competition is zero-sum, these activities cancel each other out and are net “wasted work” for society.

Is vote-buying a bad thing? Who really knows (considering the long-run coordination problems facing this species…)? For today’s post, who cares?
I’m not arguing that this is “good” or “bad”, I’m just arguing that it’s “true”.

Votes become easier to buy as the number of voters increases. Though it may seem innocuous to say “the more voters there are, the less each individual vote counts”, the statement is in fact a grave paradox. Eventually, the sheer quantity of voters guarantees that each individual voter is irrelevant – a balloon inflated to such a grand size, that the stretched plastic simply vanishes altogether. If 3 people vote, a single vote can swing a possible tie, but if 10,000,001 people vote, a tie probably won’t even occur (making each individual vote completely irrelevant). The voting process can be defeated entirely, by taking a small “critical mass of uninformed voters” and, to it, adding some self-fulfilling expectations of hopelessness.

If informed voting were cheap, these self-fulfilling expectations would be expensive to generate. Unfortunately, voting is not cheap, voting costs energy that most people won’t spend. This small detail means that any politician who can quietly use public resources to finance their bribes will always have an overwhelming advantage.
Wealth Isn’t Unequal Enough

What about the fact that DPoS votes with wealth instead of per capita? The improvement is insufficient: while wealth does distribute non-uniform (instead: lognormal or power law) a project aspiring to “world wide ledger” status will eventually have a very high quantity of people in each wealth-class; so many that casting an informed vote will still be (for each individual) a waste of time.

Voter apathy reliably strikes the more optimistic scenario of modern corporate governance. There, each share gets a vote, and disinterested parties can sell and abandon their need to vote altogether (impossible in DPoS). The ability of shareholders to elect the board of directors makes almost no difference; most shareholders don’t care enough to vote, and certainly not enough to learn-or-do-anything-about obviously corrupt phenomena such as executive pay, poison pills, empire building, golden parachutes, etc.

DPoS, like all voting, is not capitalistic. Capitalism is not about “one dollar, one vote”, it is instead “one dollar risked, one vote”. Capitalism requires the potential for gain as well as the risk of loss. With voting, gains for “good votes” are public, and equally and widely dispersed (no potential for private gain), and voting is free (no private risk of loss).

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It may seems stupid but I don't care : what's is DPoS ?
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