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August 29, 2015, 07:40:13 PM
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Qora has all these features and the devs can implement new services using Qoras platform. IMHO it would be better for the community and cryptoworld as a whole if funds were raised for pushing tech forward, instead of trying to reimplement the same things.

@twoturtles: care to elaborate on the lack of security in qora? I think it is pretty secure, I would appreciate some examples.
Also qora as a platform never said its last words. Developers constantly enhance it.

Please don't think that I made this post for promoting qora, I just want to understand what you said regarding security, differences, since features are the same. Qora could be used by R3D devs to create new services on top, with no need to spend resources for implementing the same features.
This is the direction we are headed in however how do you do a revenu model on open source scripts? If you extend onto qora or another coin doing something like AT then how do investors profit other than buying qora in this example? A key driver is money and if it cant be made the same way by extending then it wont happen. There needs to be an asset or something to create a hidden service layer fee ontop of native fees and then provide dividends of asset holders. That is just one idea I am tinkering with to solve this problem.

Anyone that says qora isnt secure probably doest understand the mechanics of the underlying script implementation for AT. A hash of the program is prefixed to the script holding the program by the miner and evaluated and checked by all nodes to matchthe hash. In this way it is as secure as any other tx.

Note i dont hold any qora infact im not a fan of pos myself. So id prefer if a pow bitcoin clone implement AT (i will probaby do this) which will probably have a better chance of surviving the altcoin syndrome.

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August 29, 2015, 09:59:25 PM
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Qora has all these features and the devs can implement new services using Qoras platform. IMHO it would be better for the community and cryptoworld as a whole if funds were raised for pushing tech forward, instead of trying to reimplement the same things.

@twoturtles: care to elaborate on the lack of security in qora? I think it is pretty secure, I would appreciate some examples.
Also qora as a platform never said its last words. Developers constantly enhance it.

Please don't think that I made this post for promoting qora, I just want to understand what you said regarding security, differences, since features are the same. Qora could be used by R3D devs to create new services on top, with no need to spend resources for implementing the same features.

Firstly, I don't think you're using this thread to promote Qora.  What work was done on it then, compared to now - I'm sure differs.  However, with that said please don't jump to assume that it has all of the features r3d does or can do what r3d does, or how we do it.  The lack of full demo leaves much to be desired in the ways of relaying exactly how we're doing what we are.  There are plenty of projects that are similar in theory but it's a matter of execution and delivery.  Of course it would be in your opinion to push for fundraising for your project instead but the transparent rationale behind that is just that - transparent.  We're not reimplementing anything, we're just doing our best to do it better.

Regarding the security, it was brought to my attention by several others and the reason I didn't name precise vectors and still won't publicly is out of respect and consideration for your community and team.  If you'd like to contact me personally, I'll relay the same information to you that was brought to my attention.  I'm sure you and your team have much yet to bring to the table and I wish you all the best with it.

On the subject of using Qora for r3d, we honestly have no need.  Collaboration is something we're always open to, but dependent on others we are not.  Again though, you're thinking our features and techniques are the same as yours when I can assure you - they are not.  The team we have as well as the supporters behind r3d are not only completely beyond capable, but also much more devoted than most you'll find.

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August 29, 2015, 10:08:28 PM
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Qora has all these features and the devs can implement new services using Qoras platform. IMHO it would be better for the community and cryptoworld as a whole if funds were raised for pushing tech forward, instead of trying to reimplement the same things.

@twoturtles: care to elaborate on the lack of security in qora? I think it is pretty secure, I would appreciate some examples.
Also qora as a platform never said its last words. Developers constantly enhance it.

Please don't think that I made this post for promoting qora, I just want to understand what you said regarding security, differences, since features are the same. Qora could be used by R3D devs to create new services on top, with no need to spend resources for implementing the same features.
This is the direction we are headed in however how do you do a revenu model on open source scripts? If you extend onto qora or another coin doing something like AT then how do investors profit other than buying qora in this example? A key driver is money and if it cant be made the same way by extending then it wont happen. There needs to be an asset or something to create a hidden service layer fee ontop of native fees and then provide dividends of asset holders. That is just one idea I am tinkering with to solve this problem.

Anyone that says qora isnt secure probably doest understand the mechanics of the underlying script implementation for AT. A hash of the program is prefixed to the script holding the program by the miner and evaluated and checked by all nodes to matchthe hash. In this way it is as secure as any other tx.

Note i dont hold any qora infact im not a fan of pos myself. So id prefer if a pow bitcoin clone implement AT (i will probaby do this) which will probably have a better chance of surviving the altcoin syndrome.

How do we construct a revenue model?  The system itself doesn't promote some unrealistic APR or hoarding.  If 10 million r3d were to be held back for example by any one person or group of people, that would instantly decrease the supply available for use.  When supply is down and demand is up - that affects the price.  When the person(s) holding decide to sell at the price they're comfortable with, those wanting to actually use it buy and the cycle repeats.  The statement "anyone that says qora isn't secure" and the follow-up by commenting on just the hash and network - shows that the other areas aren't recognized nor considered.  I won't disclose exact details publicly just as I explained above.

Oh but we are onto newer and better things soon to replace coloured coin mess to a real flexible architecture Smiley
We will set the trend again for new clones.

As far as "probably doing this" - I thought it was already being done for sys 2.0?

     Best regards,

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August 30, 2015, 12:04:23 AM
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with 5 1/2 days until the close of the CFC, funding is not looking well.  Any plans you would like to share for if this CFC fails to launch?

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August 30, 2015, 01:40:41 AM
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R3d > quora

 I will buy r3d on last day for sure

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August 30, 2015, 01:57:07 AM
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with 5 1/2 days until the close of the CFC, funding is not looking well.  Any plans you would like to share for if this CFC fails to launch?

We have a couple of folks we've spoken to privately waiting for the demo.  I wholeheartedly believe that once the demo is revealed it will clear up a lot of the confusion created by a couple of demos showing just some of the options/features.  However, with that said as a fail-over we're looking into possibly startjoin, and open to other suggestions for financial backing.  Another option, the one we least want to explore is taking the demo to private organizations that could make use of the system.  I'd personally rather keep my code within crypto, though.

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August 30, 2015, 01:58:41 AM
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R3d > quora

 I will buy r3d on last day for sure

I appreciate the support, but honestly we're all in this together and the fact that they've gone ahead and put in the effort and time out of sheer will and voluntarily - I give them a lot of credit for that.

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August 30, 2015, 02:53:21 AM
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some NEWS you might find it interesting

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August 30, 2015, 04:38:15 AM
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with 5 1/2 days until the close of the CFC, funding is not looking well.  Any plans you would like to share for if this CFC fails to launch?

We have a couple of folks we've spoken to privately waiting for the demo.  I wholeheartedly believe that once the demo is revealed it will clear up a lot of the confusion created by a couple of demos showing just some of the options/features.  However, with that said as a fail-over we're looking into possibly startjoin, and open to other suggestions for financial backing.  Another option, the one we least want to explore is taking the demo to private organizations that could make use of the system.  I'd personally rather keep my code within crypto, though.

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Cool, I'm sure you guys are working hard on it.  Hopefully this project can stay in the public space instead of in the hands of a few companies.   

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August 30, 2015, 05:12:52 AM
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27 pages for the objections, fud, critsizm, explinations and things you name it. guys they are not forcing anyone to partake in their CFC. should you want to invest or not its your own choice. im not a programmer neither i know anything about source code but their are alot of reasons that i dont want to miss notification from this thread and whenever i come back to this thread i get only explanations from syntak, stoner, jared and other team members. i wonder if we all are crtisiing folks work than who is still investing in CFC Smiley
apology if this post offend someone usually i dont write such things but today i couldnt stop myself

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August 30, 2015, 09:24:18 AM
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Qora has all these features and the devs can implement new services using Qoras platform. IMHO it would be better for the community and cryptoworld as a whole if funds were raised for pushing tech forward, instead of trying to reimplement the same things.

@twoturtles: care to elaborate on the lack of security in qora? I think it is pretty secure, I would appreciate some examples.
Also qora as a platform never said its last words. Developers constantly enhance it.

Please don't think that I made this post for promoting qora, I just want to understand what you said regarding security, differences, since features are the same. Qora could be used by R3D devs to create new services on top, with no need to spend resources for implementing the same features.
This is the direction we are headed in however how do you do a revenu model on open source scripts? If you extend onto qora or another coin doing something like AT then how do investors profit other than buying qora in this example? A key driver is money and if it cant be made the same way by extending then it wont happen. There needs to be an asset or something to create a hidden service layer fee ontop of native fees and then provide dividends of asset holders. That is just one idea I am tinkering with to solve this problem.

Anyone that says qora isnt secure probably doest understand the mechanics of the underlying script implementation for AT. A hash of the program is prefixed to the script holding the program by the miner and evaluated and checked by all nodes to matchthe hash. In this way it is as secure as any other tx.

Note i dont hold any qora infact im not a fan of pos myself. So id prefer if a pow bitcoin clone implement AT (i will probaby do this) which will probably have a better chance of surviving the altcoin syndrome.

How do we construct a revenue model?  The system itself doesn't promote some unrealistic APR or hoarding.  If 10 million r3d were to be held back for example by any one person or group of people, that would instantly decrease the supply available for use.  When supply is down and demand is up - that affects the price.  When the person(s) holding decide to sell at the price they're comfortable with, those wanting to actually use it buy and the cycle repeats.  The statement "anyone that says qora isn't secure" and the follow-up by commenting on just the hash and network - shows that the other areas aren't recognized nor considered.  I won't disclose exact details publicly just as I explained above.

Oh but we are onto newer and better things soon to replace coloured coin mess to a real flexible architecture Smiley
We will set the trend again for new clones.

As far as "probably doing this" - I thought it was already being done for sys 2.0?

     Best regards,

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I've heard enough from you hehe you must have less than 5 years professional programming under your belt because you are out of your league you haven't understood one concept I have put forth in my last few comments.. Gluck with your 800 btc you are going to need it.

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August 30, 2015, 10:11:52 AM
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Qora has all these features and the devs can implement new services using Qoras platform. IMHO it would be better for the community and cryptoworld as a whole if funds were raised for pushing tech forward, instead of trying to reimplement the same things.

@twoturtles: care to elaborate on the lack of security in qora? I think it is pretty secure, I would appreciate some examples.
Also qora as a platform never said its last words. Developers constantly enhance it.

Please don't think that I made this post for promoting qora, I just want to understand what you said regarding security, differences, since features are the same. Qora could be used by R3D devs to create new services on top, with no need to spend resources for implementing the same features.
This is the direction we are headed in however how do you do a revenu model on open source scripts? If you extend onto qora or another coin doing something like AT then how do investors profit other than buying qora in this example? A key driver is money and if it cant be made the same way by extending then it wont happen. There needs to be an asset or something to create a hidden service layer fee ontop of native fees and then provide dividends of asset holders. That is just one idea I am tinkering with to solve this problem.

Anyone that says qora isnt secure probably doest understand the mechanics of the underlying script implementation for AT. A hash of the program is prefixed to the script holding the program by the miner and evaluated and checked by all nodes to matchthe hash. In this way it is as secure as any other tx.

Note i dont hold any qora infact im not a fan of pos myself. So id prefer if a pow bitcoin clone implement AT (i will probaby do this) which will probably have a better chance of surviving the altcoin syndrome.

How do we construct a revenue model?  The system itself doesn't promote some unrealistic APR or hoarding.  If 10 million r3d were to be held back for example by any one person or group of people, that would instantly decrease the supply available for use.  When supply is down and demand is up - that affects the price.  When the person(s) holding decide to sell at the price they're comfortable with, those wanting to actually use it buy and the cycle repeats.  The statement "anyone that says qora isn't secure" and the follow-up by commenting on just the hash and network - shows that the other areas aren't recognized nor considered.  I won't disclose exact details publicly just as I explained above.

Oh but we are onto newer and better things soon to replace coloured coin mess to a real flexible architecture Smiley
We will set the trend again for new clones.

As far as "probably doing this" - I thought it was already being done for sys 2.0?

     Best regards,

syntaks
I've heard enough from you hehe you must have less than 5 years professional programming under your belt because you are out of your league you haven't understood one concept I have put forth in my last few comments.. Gluck with your 800 btc you are going to need it.

"I've heard enough" plus some wrong assumptions and zero arguments. Interesting... ;-)
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August 30, 2015, 12:33:30 PM
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thats what people say when they know they can't win an argument... but we could all see that it was unable to win when it started resorting to ad hominem attacks and then backpeddling... next stage.. meltdown



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August 30, 2015, 02:08:35 PM
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Qora has all these features and the devs can implement new services using Qoras platform. IMHO it would be better for the community and cryptoworld as a whole if funds were raised for pushing tech forward, instead of trying to reimplement the same things.

@twoturtles: care to elaborate on the lack of security in qora? I think it is pretty secure, I would appreciate some examples.
Also qora as a platform never said its last words. Developers constantly enhance it.

Please don't think that I made this post for promoting qora, I just want to understand what you said regarding security, differences, since features are the same. Qora could be used by R3D devs to create new services on top, with no need to spend resources for implementing the same features.
This is the direction we are headed in however how do you do a revenu model on open source scripts? If you extend onto qora or another coin doing something like AT then how do investors profit other than buying qora in this example? A key driver is money and if it cant be made the same way by extending then it wont happen. There needs to be an asset or something to create a hidden service layer fee ontop of native fees and then provide dividends of asset holders. That is just one idea I am tinkering with to solve this problem.

Anyone that says qora isnt secure probably doest understand the mechanics of the underlying script implementation for AT. A hash of the program is prefixed to the script holding the program by the miner and evaluated and checked by all nodes to matchthe hash. In this way it is as secure as any other tx.

Note i dont hold any qora infact im not a fan of pos myself. So id prefer if a pow bitcoin clone implement AT (i will probaby do this) which will probably have a better chance of surviving the altcoin syndrome.

How do we construct a revenue model?  The system itself doesn't promote some unrealistic APR or hoarding.  If 10 million r3d were to be held back for example by any one person or group of people, that would instantly decrease the supply available for use.  When supply is down and demand is up - that affects the price.  When the person(s) holding decide to sell at the price they're comfortable with, those wanting to actually use it buy and the cycle repeats.  The statement "anyone that says qora isn't secure" and the follow-up by commenting on just the hash and network - shows that the other areas aren't recognized nor considered.  I won't disclose exact details publicly just as I explained above.

Oh but we are onto newer and better things soon to replace coloured coin mess to a real flexible architecture Smiley
We will set the trend again for new clones.

As far as "probably doing this" - I thought it was already being done for sys 2.0?

     Best regards,

syntaks
I've heard enough from you hehe you must have less than 5 years professional programming under your belt because you are out of your league you haven't understood one concept I have put forth in my last few comments.. Gluck with your 800 btc you are going to need it.

You've gone from subtle jabs which I've humored, to complete nonsense.  Perhaps it's not lack of experience in programming, but deciphering what you've been ultimately trying to say in your circle talk and promotion of your own.  However, I'm not one to speak without reference so when we talk about programming experience or lack thereof here's a couple of fun ones (don't worry, I have the page saved in case you try to remove it like you did your other spaghetti repos - yes I know about those as well):

https://github.com/IXCoin-Dev/IXCoin/commits/master?author=sidhujag
https://github.com/coinzen/devcoin0.9.2MM/commits/master

Also, I have been involved in this space for quite some time and do not think for a moment I do not have the resources and associates who have made it clear to me you are completely talk and this is a bitter dig.  Good luck on your journey into programming, you're going to need it.

     Sincerely,

syntaks
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August 30, 2015, 03:36:19 PM
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Qora has all these features and the devs can implement new services using Qoras platform. IMHO it would be better for the community and cryptoworld as a whole if funds were raised for pushing tech forward, instead of trying to reimplement the same things.

@twoturtles: care to elaborate on the lack of security in qora? I think it is pretty secure, I would appreciate some examples.
Also qora as a platform never said its last words. Developers constantly enhance it.

Please don't think that I made this post for promoting qora, I just want to understand what you said regarding security, differences, since features are the same. Qora could be used by R3D devs to create new services on top, with no need to spend resources for implementing the same features.
This is the direction we are headed in however how do you do a revenu model on open source scripts? If you extend onto qora or another coin doing something like AT then how do investors profit other than buying qora in this example? A key driver is money and if it cant be made the same way by extending then it wont happen. There needs to be an asset or something to create a hidden service layer fee ontop of native fees and then provide dividends of asset holders. That is just one idea I am tinkering with to solve this problem.

Anyone that says qora isnt secure probably doest understand the mechanics of the underlying script implementation for AT. A hash of the program is prefixed to the script holding the program by the miner and evaluated and checked by all nodes to matchthe hash. In this way it is as secure as any other tx.

Note i dont hold any qora infact im not a fan of pos myself. So id prefer if a pow bitcoin clone implement AT (i will probaby do this) which will probably have a better chance of surviving the altcoin syndrome.

How do we construct a revenue model?  The system itself doesn't promote some unrealistic APR or hoarding.  If 10 million r3d were to be held back for example by any one person or group of people, that would instantly decrease the supply available for use.  When supply is down and demand is up - that affects the price.  When the person(s) holding decide to sell at the price they're comfortable with, those wanting to actually use it buy and the cycle repeats.  The statement "anyone that says qora isn't secure" and the follow-up by commenting on just the hash and network - shows that the other areas aren't recognized nor considered.  I won't disclose exact details publicly just as I explained above.

Oh but we are onto newer and better things soon to replace coloured coin mess to a real flexible architecture Smiley
We will set the trend again for new clones.

As far as "probably doing this" - I thought it was already being done for sys 2.0?

     Best regards,

syntaks
I've heard enough from you hehe you must have less than 5 years professional programming under your belt because you are out of your league you haven't understood one concept I have put forth in my last few comments.. Gluck with your 800 btc you are going to need it.

You've gone from subtle jabs which I've humored, to complete nonsense.  Perhaps it's not lack of experience in programming, but deciphering what you've been ultimately trying to say in your circle talk and promotion of your own.  However, I'm not one to speak without reference so when we talk about programming experience or lack thereof here's a couple of fun ones (don't worry, I have the page saved in case you try to remove it like you did your other spaghetti repos - yes I know about those as well):

https://github.com/IXCoin-Dev/IXCoin/commits/master?author=sidhujag
https://github.com/coinzen/devcoin0.9.2MM/commits/master

Also, I have been involved in this space for quite some time and do not think for a moment I do not have the resources and associates who have made it clear to me you are completely talk and this is a bitter dig.  Good luck on your journey into programming, you're going to need it.

     Sincerely,

syntaks
Nice links lol I dont see how those links are helping your case at all.

Perhaps I didnt explain well to make my points clear but no problem I hope you do well with the coin we have different ideals I will come check out what youve released sometime.. cya

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August 30, 2015, 03:38:18 PM
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Been trying to spread the word over twitter.  Please scope my tweets and RT and FAV.  Couple below to get started.

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Not trying to Fud but there's very little chance this will pump after ICO ends, starting market cap will be very high and will need a lot to justify it. Remember Bitbay? I do  Roll Eyes


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Not trying to Fud but there's very little chance this will pump after ICO ends, starting market cap will be very high and will need a lot to justify it. Remember Bitbay? I do  Roll Eyes

I would guess most investors in R3D aren't looking for a "pump" when ICO ends.  I believe in the project and the technology used with it.  Others can speak for themselves.

Good job not "trying" to FUD.  Roll Eyes
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Not trying to Fud but there's very little chance this will pump after ICO ends, starting market cap will be very high and will need a lot to justify it. Remember Bitbay? I do  Roll Eyes

Nope don't remember it because I didn't get scammed by it.

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Not trying to Fud but there's very little chance this will pump after ICO ends, starting market cap will be very high and will need a lot to justify it. Remember Bitbay? I do  Roll Eyes

If this project can start I'm pretty sure there will be fast progress and a lot to show. I don't expect and I don't wish a "pump" after the CFC, but I would expect a rising price, because many aren't aware of it now. The lack of attention is the only weakness I see at the moment, and maybe a lack of understanding. It's complex and people should read the Ann and Stoners and Syntaks Posts. It's one of those projects that would need real investors who like it to inform themselves before investing instead of gambling. And it needs more support of those who already understand the potential and would like to see it started.

And what I really like about this project, out of investor-perspective: The inherent economy and the potential to grow out of itself, to grow beyond Crypto because it could have instantly real use. Think about countries with really hard censorship, like China and many others. Most of all Chinese even couldn't read this thread if they would want to, because:


GREAT FIREWALL OF CHINA BLOCKS BITCOINTALK.ORG

Hours ago, Bitcoin Forum and Bitcoin Subreddit moderator, Theymos, posted to inform everyone that Bitcointalk.org had been blocked by the Great Firewall of China. From all over China, with the exception of Shanghai, Bitcoiners are reporting that Bitcointalk.org is now blocked. No official explanation for the block has been given, though speculation will fly.

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/great-firewall-of-china-blocks-bitcointalk-org/


What I want to say with that: There is already a big potential for it, all over the world. And that's a great difference to most of all other projects out there.

Regarding Bitbay I can't say anything, because I don't know it. But at the moment I don't know any project that's comparable to this one.
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